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Hi Tami,

I have been on Methotrexate twice. The first time was for about 4 months and

had relief for 7 years. The second time for an year and a half. and have

been good for 7 again. This winter i had a flare up and am taking Celebrex.

It gives me relief so I can function relatively well.

I'm not sorry I took Methotrexate. I'm 37.

Best of luck with what you decide.

.

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From: " tami rand " <pressdoc@...>

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Subject: [ ] natural remedies

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:07:57 -0000

I am a 35 year old female who was diagnoised w/ PA 3 months aftergiving

birth to my daughter. I was in PERFECT health until then. I have PA in my

left thumb and on my middle right finger. I alsohave it in both of my

ankles and in both of my wrists.My condition has been so bad that about 2

years ago it was verydifficult to walk for about 2 months. Right now my

feet feel muchbetter but my wrists hurt and it is very hard to lift my 2 and

4 yearold girls. I also have a hard time opening jars.Does anyone know of

any natural remedies or foods to avoid to help w/PA. My Rehumy who I went

to over 2 years ago wanted my to go onMethotrexate which I refused to due to

the side effects and that Ifeel I'm to young and not in that bad of shape to

take such heavydrugs.I take tylonel when I feel bad or antiflammatory med-

which does help.I want to somehow find out what causes the flareups.I know

they say it could be a food that flares it up. I know stressdoes.Please let

me know if anyone out there has a suggestions.Also- anyone from South

Florida?Take care,Tammy

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, Very interesting. I use natural remedies that I can get from

a health food store. One of my vets is a holistic vet, so she tells

me what to buy. For example: I use a product called slippery elm

for doodirhea. My rescue partner and I also do commercials with our

cats (If you live in the DC area and have seen the MD Lottery

commercial with the dog driving the car, the orange cat on the porch

is my best friends cat). Anyway, on location, we use a product

called " rescue rememdy " . We've also learned to mix up our

own " remedies " with several different produts. Thanks for sharing.

manda

> > Hi,

> >

> > There are a few of us on this list who are into natural remedies,

> however, there are some who oppose it and it can get pretty heated

> up. If you would like to discuss this further, I'll be happy to in

> private emails.

> >

> > aW

> > Re: Re: Shark cartilage

> >

> >

> > Anyone into health foods:

> >

> >

> >

> >

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oh, yes, I should have mentioned that you must ask the doctor, in fact, some

of those ideas actually came from a doctor of mine from about 20 years ago.

Thanks for clarifying!

Re: Natural remedies

,

No one was actually opposed to natural remedies. What they were opposed to

was post-ops advising other post-ops experiencing certain " problems " to do

this or do that using herbs and stuff, BEFORE checking with their surgeon.

Anytime you have had surgery, especially a surgery which alters your

digestive system, you need to be cautious about what you put into that " new "

system. I doubt the MGB was something that those folks coming up with

natural remedies had ever had any experience with it. I think some of the

herbal remedies are great. I just think when a person is less than six

months to year, they need to be cautious and in touch with their doctor

before taking meds or herbs.

Just my .02 worth.

Cheryl

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No one was actually opposed to natural remedies. What they were opposed to

was post-ops advising other post-ops experiencing certain " problems " to do

this or do that using herbs and stuff, BEFORE checking with their surgeon.

Anytime you have had surgery, especially a surgery which alters your

digestive system, you need to be cautious about what you put into that " new "

system. I doubt the MGB was something that those folks coming up with

natural remedies had ever had any experience with it. I think some of the

herbal remedies are great. I just think when a person is less than six

months to year, they need to be cautious and in touch with their doctor

before taking meds or herbs.

Just my .02 worth.

Cheryl

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I too am interested in this, as well as if anyone has had any success using

acupuncture to treat allergies and/or polyps.

Kim

At 10:44 PM 5/23/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>

>Has anyone tried any of the natural remedies for your allergies? I have

>allergies mostly to grass, dust and dogs. I am trying to seek a more

>natural solution to help control these allergies and I am considering to go

>and see a Naturalpath. Has anybody had any success in this route, if so,

>could you please let me know what you tried?

>

>Thanks

>

>

>

>

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Hi ,

I tried, got very ill and am not trying it again. But I also am severe so

the doctor says. I am still trying to recover from the natural stuff given

to me a year ago.

I may possibly be the exception, but seems like I always get sicker after

the 'natural approach even with acupuncture.

Good luck what ever you decide. Each person is different.

Natural Remedies

> Hi everyone,

>

> Has anyone tried any of the natural remedies for your allergies? I have

> allergies mostly to grass, dust and dogs. I am trying to seek a more

> natural solution to help control these allergies and I am considering to

go

> and see a Naturalpath. Has anybody had any success in this route, if so,

> could you please let me know what you tried?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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I tried acupuncture for a few months along with the herbal remedies

prescribed by the the acupunturist/doctor. While I was amazed at the

almost instantanious effects that accupuncture can produce, the

effects were not long lasting or were perhaps targeted improperly.

This was also before I understood all the different aspects of samters

and so could'nt communicate them to the accupuncturist. If it was

just allergies, and then mild allergies, I think accupunture would

probably work well, but there is so much more going on with samters.

Accupunture can also be pretty expensive as well as most insurance

won't pay for it unless for cronic pain, i believe.

I did the allergy shots as well for about three years ... long enought

for my allergist and I to see that it wasn't doing much for my overall

condition. In retrospect, I think that it can be a trap to focus too

much on one thing like allergies, diet, whatever (ive done it plenty).

To me it's all symptoms of a much deeper systemic problem.

Since my surgery 6 months ago, I've noticed that my allergy-like

symptoms have been slowly creeping back. Maybe it has something to do

with spring time or maybe not. I think that my worsening allergy

symptoms are connected to some sort of slowly spiraling downward

circle (where the symptoms build up against each other somehow) that

can only be truely affected by the harsher remedies like surgery or

steroids. The anti-leukitrines (sp) seem good also and we need to

have more things like that, that seem to address the roots of the

problem.

It has been comforting to me to be a part of this list and to see that

there is no miracle cure or avenue that I haven't found or such

because samters can be very very frustrating :) In short I guess that

i'm trying to say that i think it's important to look at samters like

arthritis instead of asthma / allergies / polyps. The accupunture, as

i understand it, can " dry you out " for a week or so perhaps lessening

the advance of the polyps and maybe making you feel a little better as

well but it's something you would probably have to do almost every

week.

take care,

snoochmail

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> >Hi everyone,

> >

> >Has anyone tried any of the natural remedies for your allergies? I

have

> >allergies mostly to grass, dust and dogs. I am trying to seek a

more

> >natural solution to help control these allergies and I am

considering to go

> >and see a Naturalpath. Has anybody had any success in this route,

if so,

> >could you please let me know what you tried?

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >_________________________________________________________________

> >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.

> >http://www.hot

mail.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi ,

sorry to hear that your experience didn't go well. What had you tried? It

may be an indicator for the rest of us as to what to be careful about.

Take care. :-)

>From: " Konkle " <tmiller@...>

>Reply-samters

><samters >

>Subject: Re: Natural Remedies

>Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:01:23 -0800

>

>Hi ,

>

>I tried, got very ill and am not trying it again. But I also am severe so

>the doctor says. I am still trying to recover from the natural stuff given

>to me a year ago.

>I may possibly be the exception, but seems like I always get sicker after

>the 'natural approach even with acupuncture.

>

>Good luck what ever you decide. Each person is different.

>

>

> Natural Remedies

>

>

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Has anyone tried any of the natural remedies for your allergies? I have

> > allergies mostly to grass, dust and dogs. I am trying to seek a more

> > natural solution to help control these allergies and I am considering to

>go

> > and see a Naturalpath. Has anybody had any success in this route, if

>so,

> > could you please let me know what you tried?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.

> > http://www.hotmail.com

> >

> >

> >

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For myself, I have noticed that the bigger my polyps are the bigger the

allergy reaction I have. And the more allergy reactions the bigger my

polyps get. I am lucky that my asthma is quite mild, so I am hoping that if

I can control the allergies, the longer I can go without surgery.

Thanks for sharing your info. :-)

>From: " snoochmail " <outermission@...>

>Reply-samters

>samters

>Subject: Re: Natural Remedies

>Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:47:52 -0000

>

>I tried acupuncture for a few months along with the herbal remedies

>prescribed by the the acupunturist/doctor. While I was amazed at the

>almost instantanious effects that accupuncture can produce, the

>effects were not long lasting or were perhaps targeted improperly.

>This was also before I understood all the different aspects of samters

>and so could'nt communicate them to the accupuncturist. If it was

>just allergies, and then mild allergies, I think accupunture would

>probably work well, but there is so much more going on with samters.

>Accupunture can also be pretty expensive as well as most insurance

>won't pay for it unless for cronic pain, i believe.

>

>I did the allergy shots as well for about three years ... long enought

>for my allergist and I to see that it wasn't doing much for my overall

>condition. In retrospect, I think that it can be a trap to focus too

>much on one thing like allergies, diet, whatever (ive done it plenty).

> To me it's all symptoms of a much deeper systemic problem.

>

>Since my surgery 6 months ago, I've noticed that my allergy-like

>symptoms have been slowly creeping back. Maybe it has something to do

>with spring time or maybe not. I think that my worsening allergy

>symptoms are connected to some sort of slowly spiraling downward

>circle (where the symptoms build up against each other somehow) that

>can only be truely affected by the harsher remedies like surgery or

>steroids. The anti-leukitrines (sp) seem good also and we need to

>have more things like that, that seem to address the roots of the

>problem.

>

>It has been comforting to me to be a part of this list and to see that

>there is no miracle cure or avenue that I haven't found or such

>because samters can be very very frustrating :) In short I guess that

>i'm trying to say that i think it's important to look at samters like

>arthritis instead of asthma / allergies / polyps. The accupunture, as

>i understand it, can " dry you out " for a week or so perhaps lessening

>the advance of the polyps and maybe making you feel a little better as

>well but it's something you would probably have to do almost every

>week.

>

>take care,

>

>snoochmail

>------------------------

>

> > >Hi everyone,

> > >

> > >Has anyone tried any of the natural remedies for your allergies? I

>have

> > >allergies mostly to grass, dust and dogs. I am trying to seek a

>more

> > >natural solution to help control these allergies and I am

>considering to go

> > >and see a Naturalpath. Has anybody had any success in this route,

>if so,

> > >could you please let me know what you tried?

> > >

> > >Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >_________________________________________________________________

> > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.

> > >http://www.hot

>

>mail.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hmmm,

She usually pops in from time to time......I haven't seen her post on the

list for some time........perhaps she is away. I'm sure she'll get back to

you.

Connieknwnj

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Hi Andrine

I was going to have a phone consult with Sue but then I heard from someone who

had consulted with her, that she pushed products that she sells. She started out

sending the products, saying they were free, then this person started getting

bills for 300.00! I had a feeling that was how she worked, so I cancelled my ph

consult with her.

I spoke with a lymie would said the Makers Diet " cured " her lyme. I am going to

start that, it's just a good basic diet, 5yrs ago when I started abx, my diet

went to sh--!

Andrine de la Rocha <andrine@...> wrote:

A few weeks ago we were discussing natural remedies that had worked for

people and a woman named Sue Massie spoke up and said her Lyme was cured

by using natural protocols. I wrote to her individually and asked what

her protocol was. I noticed other people on the list also open to her

recommendations. I haven't heard from her since. Does anyone know

where she went?

-Andrine

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In a message dated 7/6/2004 4:57:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lucher@... writes:

>

> Hi Andrine

> I was going to have a phone consult with Sue but then I heard from someone

> who had consulted with her, that she pushed products that she sells. She

> started out sending the products, saying they were free, then this person

started

> getting bills for 300.00! I had a feeling that was how she worked, so I

> cancelled my ph consult with her.

> I spoke with a lymie would said the Makers Diet " cured " her lyme. I am going

> to start that, it's just a good basic diet, 5yrs ago when I started abx, my

> diet went to sh--!

>

>

I have not been on this group for a long time due to the fact I have been

very busy with my business. Just 'checked-in' and let me say.....wow.

I have NEVER said to anyone that 'my products are free " and then turn around

and charge $300. What a ridiculous accusation!!!!

Nobody has to use my services. It was also not stated here that I have done

TREMENDOUS work for the lyme community for 6 years for FREE!!!

In the past 2 yrs. it has become a business for me, which there is nothing

wrong with that. I don't see people complaining about the LLMDs charging in

excess of $750 for an office visit!!! (my consultation by the way is $30 and I

CALL you, and spend at least 1hr. plus). I am finishing my degree as a

Naturopathic Dr.

Let's all try to be positive. There is alot available and the idea is to find

what works for each individual and then go with it. I was paralyzed from the

neck down, had 6 lymie children that were all on special ed. My husband used

to have severe tachycardia due to lyme. Today we are all doing great, I am 99%

better. I have compassion for others and that is why I do what I do. I did 5+

yrs. of abx and I will assure...they do NOT work permanently.

I wish you all peace.

Blessings,

sue massie, CNHP

732 933-4011

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I am new to this group and my son (13) was recently diagnosed with Aspergers and

anxiety as he had been misdiagnosed with bipolar prior. He has had major adverse

reactions to meds in the past and we have had good success with the gf/cf diet

and supplements. We are a little lacking in the anxiety area and was wondering

if anyone has found a natural supplement to help with anxiety.

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My 5-year old with AS is on a number of different supplements and GFCF and has

anxiety issues - we notice a difference (not all the way " tamed " but a

lessening) when we follow Feingold. I realize, as is the case with so many

supplements/meds/therapies, that it won't work for everyone, but figured I'd

toss it out here! Our son has HUGE amounts of hyperactivity, which is what

Feingold really helps too. But when we have " gone off " the Feingold diet, our

son's sensory issues kick in high gear and cause him higher anxiety....so that's

how I think it helps him.

Have you looked into/heard anything about GABA or L-Theanine? I've just recently

came across these as possibilities, but haven't read much on them.

Another idea - do you ever look into info on the ourkidssd site or Kirkmans? We

get our supps through Our Kids and prescripts through Lee Silsby. The pharmacist

might be able to recommend something? He's been very helpful in helping me in

the past.

I wish I could help more! I look forward to seeing what other replies you

receive :).

>

> I am new to this group and my son (13) was recently diagnosed with Aspergers

and anxiety as he had been misdiagnosed with bipolar prior. He has had major

adverse reactions to meds in the past and we have had good success with the

gf/cf diet and supplements. We are a little lacking in the anxiety area and was

wondering if anyone has found a natural supplement to help with anxiety.

>

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