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First: You need to understand the strange dynamics that have emerged in

this new industry. There are three groups that work with toxic mold:

Microbiologists, Industrial Hygenists, and Building Inspectors.

The Microbiologists' position seems to be that if you have been

sensitized,

you can never re-enter a contaminated space or be exposed to

contaminated

items again without getting sick.

The Industrial Hygenists seem to be in the camp that says that

mold is, for

the most part, harmless, and that in extreme cases cleanup is

necessary, but

otherwise, keep humidity down and look at other indoor

contaminants for

contributing to your health problems.

The Building Inspectors (most of them that I know) don't

particulary seem to

be interested in one position or the other -- their angle is

that they will

look at your home, find the problems, test for mold, and then

tell you what

type it is, and how much of it there is -- beyond that, the most

they can do

is refer you to someone for abatement.

Next: Follow the money -- Industrial Hygenists seem to be primarily

working for " the other side " , that is, the insurance companies,

builders, etc., so they have a vested interest in finding no major

problems. On the other hand, the Microbiologists have a vested

interest in selling you as many mold tests and expensive remediation as

possible -- more tests and treatments = more money.

Somewhere in the middle lies the truth -- if it were me, as a layperson,

I don't have to give a damn about double-blind studies, anecdotal

evidence, etc. I would say -- the stuff made me sick, so it's got to

be the stuff, then find an expert who agrees with me to go up against

the insurance company. Your best bet is going to be a microbiologist

(in my experience).

I will tell you that I recently attended a seminar for Realtors on toxic

mold. The instructor was an Industrial Hygenist, with a ton of Ph.D.'s.

He started the seminar with a slide, entitled " Debunking the Mold

Monster " . He promoted washing off mold with a diluted bleach solution.

I'm sure that based on your experience alone, you wouldn't feel

comfortable entering a contaminated home without a respirator & tyvek

coveralls, let alone spending all day washing down the walls with

bleach!! Would you live there again?

Anyway, to expose my own selfish motive, the company I work for has a

treatment (not washing) for homes and for belongings that have been

exposed to mold (or other allergens). You can find a local partner at

www.medallionhealthyhomes.com. Like everything else, it works well,

and it will break down toxins, spores, etc.; however, you may be so

sensitive that even the remnants might produce allergic symptoms.

Therefore, if it works, then it is a relatively inexpensive solution --

if it doesn't, then at least you gave it a try.

If you are in Wisconsin, I'd give you a free demonstration on some token

items -- if it helps you, then you can hire me and if it doesn't, then I

won't charge you. Other partners in other areas may do things

differently, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Anyway, I hope this helps you.

Jeff and

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Message: 1

Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 06:28:22 -0000

From: " dandkjohn1 " <townsend11@...>

Subject: Should We Burn Our Belongings?

Allstate's Industrial Hygienist said they can be cleaned. Toxicologist's

receptionist said that last weekend's health episodes

could be blamed on my husband's bringing towels and spices from the

infected home. (We never even went into the house, just got sick

from the contaminated items) She also said that we should discard

all porous items in the home.

Allstate says that they have to go by what the Industrial Hygienist

says. I wonder if there is any documented protocol that says that

porous material must be discarded.

We are not interested in cashing in at the insurance co's expense and

getting new furniture. Rather, we are interested in not being sick

anymore. I need solid documentation that says that our belongings

must be discarded, because the CDC and EPA web pages both say that

the furniture/clothes etc can be " cleaned. "

Does anyone have any experience in this? I hear so many stories

about people walking away from their homes. Who is telling them to

do this and on what information are they basing their recommendations

off of?

Please, if you have hard data, can you please share?

Thank you,

Townsend

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