Question about Supplements

March 15, 2008

We just started the GAPs diet and the

bio-kult about 5 days ago. We had done Weston Price for about 4 years prior to

GAPs. For the last two years, I have been going to a chiropractor who has put

me on lots of minerals to break down my kidney stones. It has been

working . . . however, the minerals she is giving me has lots of things that we

are not supposed to have in it. Any suggestions what I should do?

Thanks,

August 28, 2008

>

> Hi there,

>

> I've now been going into details of what I should be taking & have

> some questions regarding the supplements. My doctor has given me a

> variety of supplements to take so here are my questions:

>

> B complex - the combination of various B vitamins is different.

Some

> are higher like Niacin is 200 mg but others like thiamin and

> riboflavin are lower. I take 1 capsule a day. I've still got 2

> bottles so I'm wondering if I should continue or search for one

with

> similar dosage recommended.

+++Hi Shirin. It is better to get a B complex that is balanced,

called synergistic, rather than one that isn't. That is because the

B vitamins all work together, so some of the B vitamins need to be

the same amount in the product as specified on my list.

>

> B12 - I was given a sublingual one which is supposed to help with

my fatigue. That is 5 mg.

+++B12 is included in vitamin B complex. There are other factors

involved in the absorption of B12, and also it is important to get

the correct source of B12. The only reliable and absorbable sources

of vitamin B12 are animal products, especially organ meats and eggs.

Plant based B12 are not " true " B12, as this article states:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods33.php

+++Fatigue is common for candida sufferers, and the best remedy is

consuming enough " good " fats I recommend, since they are the very

best source of energy for the body compared to carbs, and having

proper nutrition (diet plus supplements). See " Fatigue & Candida " to

understand why candida causes such fatigue:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods33.php

> Fish oil - I cannot handle anything in gel caps (I think its the

> gelatin) so I take the liquid cod liver oil from Nordic Naturals or

> Childlife. These do contain fruit flavouring. But so far, these are

> the only ones I can handle without feeling nauseous. Are these ok?

+++I don't know about Childlife cod liver oil, but I know Nordic

Naturals contains mostly omega 3, but not enough vitamins A & D. So

if you take Nordic you must take vitamins A & D in addition since

those 3 nutrients work together (omega 3, vitamins A & D) - see my

article that calculates the amounts of nutrients in different kinds

of cod liver oil:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cod2.php

>

> Vit E - again, the gelcaps issue. I dont seem to be able to take

them at all without feeling sick.

+++You can buy vitamin E oil in bottles, but I haven't researched

them to see if they are derived from soybean oil or not.

>

> CoQ10 - Again recommended by the doctor for my fatigue. They come

in 100mg capsules and I take 4 a day. Should I continue this?

+++It won't hurt you to take them, but I suggest that after you

finish the you don't continue on them since it isn't necessary.

C0Q10 is formed inside the body from 2 amino acids, and amino acids

are made from proteins, found in animal meats and eggs on this diet.

Here's more information about CoQ10 from the Linus ing Institute

if you can wade through the technical words:

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/coq10/

>

> Glutagenics - this is a glutamine supplement that also has licorice

> and aloe. This is supposed to help heal my leaky gut. Is this ok?

+++I do not recommend taking glutamine supplements since it is

converted to glutamic acid, which is a neurotosin. See this

reference: http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/dangers.htm

Dr. L. Blaylock, a professor of neurosurgery at the Medical

University of Mississippi, recently published a book thoroughly

detailing the damage that is caused by the ingestion of excessive

aspartic acid from aspartame. Blaylock makes use of almost 500

scientific references to show how excess free excitatory amino acids

such as aspartic acid and glutamic acid (about 99 percent of

monosodium glutamate (MSG) is glutamic acid) in our food supply are

causing serious chronic neurological disorders and a myriad of other

acute symptoms.(3)

How Aspartate (and Glutamate) Cause Damage

Aspartate and glutamate act as neurotransmitters in the brain by

facilitating the transmission of information from neuron to neuron.

Too much aspartate or glutamate in the brain kills certain neurons by

allowing the influx of too much calcium into the cells. This influx

triggers excessive amounts of free radicals, which kill the cells.

The neural cell damage that can be caused by excessive aspartate and

glutamate is why they are referred to as " excitotoxins. "

They " excite " or stimulate the neural cells to death.

Unfortunately the Leaky Gut Theory is full of holes (pun intended) -

see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig12.php

What helps your digestion most is proper nutrients (diet plus

supplements), improving digestion as written in my main candida

article (particularly having enough stomach acid by taking

hydrochloric acid supplements), etc.

>

> HCL - I havent been able to find it at all in Singapore!!! So I've

> added metazyme which is a digestive enzyme, one at lunch and dinner.

+++If it is called a digestive enzyme it won't help, since it will

contain enzymes produced by the pancreas, and not increase stomach

acid. It is more important to increase stomach acid so when the

contents of the stomach empty into the first part of the small

intestines there's enough HCl to trigger the pancreas to produce its

enzymes, along with bicarbonate of soda (baking soda). Baking soda

is to alkalize the foods so it can be properly digested throughout

the small intestines. If foods aren't alkalized it will particularly

interfere with protein digestion. You can order betaine hydrochloric

acid online, or eat 1/2 cup of good unpasteurized sauerkraut with

every meal. One good brand is NOW.

I hope that helps you.

Bee

August 28, 2008

Hi Bee,

Just to clarify, are u saying that its not necessary to take the

digestive enzymes and HCL alone will be sufficient??

Will have to go shopping this weekend to look for the right

supplements....

THANKS SO MUCH BEE.

Shirin

> > HCL - I havent been able to find it at all in Singapore!!! So

I've

> > added metazyme which is a digestive enzyme, one at lunch and

dinner.

>

> +++If it is called a digestive enzyme it won't help, since it will

> contain enzymes produced by the pancreas, and not increase stomach

> acid. It is more important to increase stomach acid so when the

> contents of the stomach empty into the first part of the small

> intestines there's enough HCl to trigger the pancreas to produce

its

> enzymes, along with bicarbonate of soda (baking soda). Baking soda

> is to alkalize the foods so it can be properly digested throughout

> the small intestines. If foods aren't alkalized it will

particularly

> interfere with protein digestion. You can order betaine

hydrochloric

> acid online, or eat 1/2 cup of good unpasteurized sauerkraut with

> every meal. One good brand is NOW.

>

August 29, 2008

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Just to clarify, are u saying that its not necessary to take the

> digestive enzymes and HCL alone will be sufficient??

+++Hi Shirin. Yes, that is correct.

Luv, Bee

February 14, 2010

Thanks Beth, let me clarify, I asked my Â gastroenterologist if

it was ok to have any alcohol during treatment and she told me on occasion. I

did not say that I thought it was ok.

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Beth Frey

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:19 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Question about Ã¢â‚¬Å“supplementsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

I was just responding to the person who thinks it is okay to

take treatment and drink and do adrephia.

I think its crazy to do so. I think it was the

pegasys site where I learned that taking treatment and drinking

could cause liver failure and even death. Here is the site http://www.pegasys.com/. PS never did drink

that beer been off treatment for 6 mths and to chicken. lol

From: Beth Frey

<bethfrey42301@...>

Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 12:02:03 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Question about Ã¢â‚¬Å“supplementsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

I heard if you drink whilke taking infern-riba it could kill

u

From: SuziQ

Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 8:16:59 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Question about Ã¢â‚¬Å“supplementsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

Hi Lynne,

Please find a doctor who knows more about liver disease than the one you

have--either a gastroenterolist or a hepatologist !!! Any doctor who knows

anything about liver disease or Hep C would NOT say alcohol is ok--especially

during treatment !!!! Both ephadra and alcohol are absolute no-no's. Treatment

can be difficult and you need a doctor who is knowledgable about the disease

and about the side effects of treatment. Learn ALL you can before you start

treatment. Find a doctor who has SUCCESSFULLY treated a number of patients. Read

the online book Choices at hepcchallenges. org.

If you wiil tell us where you live, maybe someone can steer you to a doctor in

that area. I am sorry, but NO DOCTOR who knows anything about Hep C (or other

liver diseases) would say alcohol is ok. You need to have someone who is very,

very knowledgable to see that you are safe during treatment.

SuziQ

>

> Hi, so glad I stumble across this group! Seems a very supportive place to

be esp. with all the stigma attached to hep c. I am a 43 yr. female and was

diagnosed in March geno type 3. Completely out of the blue! I was going through

a battery of medical tests for a contractor job in the Middle East and one of

my labs came back with an â€œabnormalâ€ result. Had to get more tests to show that

I am okâ€¦well, turns out I am not ok. So, I really want to get this started and

over and try to move on with my life. I plan to start my peg\ribo treatment mid

May. (I think) I have just been trying to research as much as I can before I

start and mentally gear up for it. Oh I do already take the max dose of

Wellbutrin for depressionâ€¦so really concerned about the mental\emotional side

effects. However, my current mind set is: Expect (and prepare) for the worst

and pray for the best! Once again, feel blessed to have found your group!

Getting to the supplement question: I was wondering if anyone has used any

Ephedra products while on the meds? In the mornings I currently take half of a

25 mg true Ephedra w\200 mg of caffeine in it. It helps give me energy to get

to the gym and get a work out. However I am concerned if there are indications

for the liver and it if may have an adverse affect with the meds. I was

thinking it may actually help me though some of the side effectsâ€¦? I asked my

Dr. and she said it was fineâ€¦but she also told me I could drink alcohol on

occasion too while on the meds. Also, are there many of you that have combined

alternative medicines with the Western? Such as Milk Thistle, vitamin D and

such? Is there any one place (or linkâ€¦Don?) for dosage amounts and potency?

Thanks!! Lynne

>

February 14, 2010

No offense was taken, just wanted to clarify.Â I sure miss my

glass or twoâ€¦or threeâ€¦(after a really stressful workday!) Have been turning to decaffeinated

flavored teas instead, itâ€™s sort of working as a substitute.Â (Still miss my

wine though!) J

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth Frey

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:11 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Question about supplements

Thats ok I used to love to drink on a hot summer day in the

pool or after I mowed the yard and still want to every now and again. But like

I said since finishing treatment I am still to chicken Sorry if I offened

you.

From: Lynne Wolfe

<lynne.wolfe@...>

Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 7:35:45 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Question about supplements

Thanks Beth, let me clarify, I asked my

gastroenterologist if it was ok to have any alcohol during treatment and

she told me on occasion. I did not say that I thought it was ok.

From:

[mailto:HepCWebWarr iors@groups .com] On

Behalf Of Beth Frey

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:19 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Question about Ã¢â‚¬Å“supplementsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

I

was just responding to the person who thinks it is okay to take treatment and

drink and do adrephia.

I

think its crazy to do so. I think it was the pegasys site where

I learned that taking treatment and drinking could cause liver failure and even

death. Here is the site http://www.pegasys.

com/. PS never did drink that beer been off treatment for 6 mths and to

chicken. lol

From: Beth

Frey <bethfrey42301>

Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 12:02:03 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Question about Ã¢â‚¬Å“supplementsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

I

heard if you drink whilke taking infern-riba it could kill u

From: SuziQ

Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 8:16:59 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Question about Ã¢â‚¬Å“supplementsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

Hi Lynne,

Please find a doctor who knows more about liver disease than the one you

have--either a gastroenterolist or a hepatologist !!! Any doctor who knows

anything about liver disease or Hep C would NOT say alcohol is ok--especially

during treatment !!!! Both ephadra and alcohol are absolute no-no's. Treatment

can be difficult and you need a doctor who is knowledgable about the disease

and about the side effects of treatment. Learn ALL you can before you start treatment.

Find a doctor who has SUCCESSFULLY treated a number of patients. Read the

online book Choices at hepcchallenges. org.