Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 > Hi all, > We started our first round of chelating DMSA yesterday, my son (46lbs) became very hyperactive this morning, then in the afternoon he was very angry and argumentative. Consider yeast overgrowth or mineral deficiency. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 > > Hi all, > We started our first round of chelating DMSA yesterday, my son (46lbs) became very hyperactive this morning, then in the afternoon he was very angry and argumentative. His OT who sees him every Saturday, also notice he is very different. He just could not stop moving. We know this is because of DMSA. but is it normal to have this kind of reaction? No. > Also, this sounds silly but we did start with 100mg/8 hour protocol and after 2 dose, change to 25mg/4 hour protocol The 100 mg/8h was giving him way too much DMSA at once and redistribution was happening after every dose. What you should have done is stopped and let him recover before chelating again. The dosage range for Andy's protocol is 1/8 to 1/2 mg/lb. 25 mg is at the high end of the range for your son. Always start at the low end, which would be about 6.25 mg for your son. It would be a good idea to familiarize yourself with Andy's protocol before starting up again. See his two books, the FAQ of this list and Moria's web pages. J as my friend says it is much safer to do the latter. Could I doing something wrong? > I am very worried! > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Larice > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Yes, it is much safer. Stay with the second dose. Barb [ ] Help please! Hi all, We started our first round of chelating DMSA yesterday, my son (46lbs) became very hyperactive this morning, then in the afternoon he was very angry and argumentative. His OT who sees him every Saturday, also notice he is very different. He just could not stop moving. We know this is because of DMSA. but is it normal to have this kind of reaction? Also, this sounds silly but we did start with 100mg/8 hour protocol and after 2 dose, change to 25mg/4 hour protocol as my friend says it is much safer to do the latter. Could I doing something wrong? I am very worried! Any help will be greatly appreciated. Larice __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 We had to stop all the suppliments for 3 days,that our Dan Dr has our child on,in order to test his stool,we now need to get him back on his suppliments,the question is how do we do it,and how fast do we go without causing him to have a bad reaction. He is on 9 suppliments. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 > > Okay guys I posted this to another board but things seem to be getting worse. I have been on TRT since last October. I turned 40 years old in February. I apply 2 tubes of Testim every day. Here is a list of the recurring problems I'm having. I believe that Phil is familiar with this from another board but I want as many opinions as possible and I believe Phil to be right but I need to figure out how to approach it with my doc. > > 1. What the hell am I supposed to feel like after turning 40? I mean I feel worse now than ever. I have NO interest in sex AT ALL! I mean I still notice attractive women and have morning erections but when it comes to sex I could take it or leave it and would rather leave it. I'm experiencing ED, very slow to ejaculate and almost no intensity at all in my orgasms. Because of the loss of pleasure I don't even care anymore!! I should add that none of this started until I started TRT. Before starting TRT my sex drive was low but NOT this low and my orgasms were normal and I could have orgasms within just a few minutes of initiating sex and they were intense and forceful but not anymore. > > 2. I understand that as a guy ages things slow down but I also know it isn't a plunge off a cliff slowing down. It is gradual and almost unnoticeable. I should also add that any of the PDE5 drugs don't seem to help much with the erection quality nor the ability to achieve an orgasm before I am just too worn out to continue sexual activity. > > So that's about it. I'm gonna consult with two docs. The last time I had a T test the Total T levels had dropped from 617 to 327. That is having the blood drawn after not applying the gel for 24 hours. I'm fairly certain the problem is E2 being way too high even though LabCorps ultra-sensitive assay showed me at 25pg/ml. > > So I don't know what to do. Phil has told me that LabCorps test is no longer accurate and that I should get a test through Quest. I don't know what to do and all of these problems are seriously making me consider going off TRT altogether and trying to talk the doc into letting me try a cycle of Clomid to see if I can get my T up and my E2 down my modulating the receptor. I just don't know what to do and have never been so frustrated in my life!! Any opinions are greatly appreciated. > What was your original total T and LH/FSH levels before you started TRT. Where you primary/secondary hypogonadism. I too have a low T 170. I had used propecia and I think this might have permanently affected my pituitary axis as both my LH/FSH are also low. I just started the same TRT 5g gel as you yesterday. I was having so many symptoms moodiness, depression, loss of libido. I had to try something. I am 49 years old. Hearing your story about the TRT treatment not working doesn't make me encouraged. I needed to start TRT to help me with the above symptoms. I too would like to know if there is anything to jump start the pituitary to get LH/FSH up. I am scheduled for MRI make sure no tumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 The only men that can jump start the pituitary are men doing steroids there Testosterone levels were good before starting on the steroids so they cycle the steroids on and off to keep there HPTA working using Clomid, Nolvadex or HCG to Jump start there HPTA again. But most of the men doing this end up with low testosterone and need to go on TRT. If your Estradiol levels are good they I would say you are secondary meaning your pituitary is not working right here is a good link about this a FAQ's we did some time ago. In this link you will find a lot of FAQ's about problems we get when we are Secondary. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256 I don't know of any case where a man with low testosterone do to a pituitary problem that could jump start there HPTA it's in most cases damaged do to a tumor or head injury. Now that you started on the low dose of gel 5 grams do get tested in 2 weeks to make sure it's getting through your skin. Some men starting on this low dose feel better in the first week and a half then fall back. What happens is the brain sees the gels testosterone added in to the blood and slows down the LH and FSH even more so you can get left with only a level of what the gel is doing. Look at this this way say your started with a level of 300 and the gel kicks it up to 500 your brain sees this and slows down the LH and FSH messages so now your left with the 200 the gel is doing. On gels when you go to do a lab test shower real good first thing in the morning and try to get the blood taken first then put on the gel after so you don't spike your test. Most me do better on 10 grams of gel every morning later when you are leveled and your Total and Free Testosterone levels are up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and your Estradiol is down to about 20 to 30 pg/ml and you are leveled good then add in some HCG to your gels doing a 250 IU shot every 3 days this acts like LH and will make your testis make Testosterone so they keep working and your LH cells keep working. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hedgesclinic1 <hedgesclinic1@...> > Subject: Re: Help Please! > > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 10:01 AM > > > > > Okay guys I posted this to another board but things > seem to be getting worse. I have been on TRT since last > October. I turned 40 years old in February. I apply 2 tubes > of Testim every day. Here is a list of the recurring > problems I'm having. I believe that Phil is familiar with > this from another board but I want as many opinions as > possible and I believe Phil to be right but I need to figure > out how to approach it with my doc. > > > > 1. What the hell am I supposed to feel like after > turning 40? I mean I feel worse now than ever. I have NO > interest in sex AT ALL! I mean I still notice attractive > women and have morning erections but when it comes to sex I > could take it or leave it and would rather leave it. I'm > experiencing ED, very slow to ejaculate and almost no > intensity at all in my orgasms. Because of the loss of > pleasure I don't even care anymore!! I should add that none > of this started until I started TRT. Before starting TRT my > sex drive was low but NOT this low and my orgasms were > normal and I could have orgasms within just a few minutes of > initiating sex and they were intense and forceful but not > anymore. > > > > 2. I understand that as a guy ages things slow down > but I also know it isn't a plunge off a cliff slowing down. > It is gradual and almost unnoticeable. I should also add > that any of the PDE5 drugs don't seem to help much with the > erection quality nor the ability to achieve an orgasm before > I am just too worn out to continue sexual activity. > > > > So that's about it. I'm gonna consult with two docs. > The last time I had a T test the Total T levels had dropped > from 617 to 327. That is having the blood drawn after not > applying the gel for 24 hours. I'm fairly certain the > problem is E2 being way too high even though LabCorps > ultra-sensitive assay showed me at 25pg/ml. > > > > So I don't know what to do. Phil has told me that > LabCorps test is no longer accurate and that I should get a > test through Quest. I don't know what to do and all of these > problems are seriously making me consider going off TRT > altogether and trying to talk the doc into letting me try a > cycle of Clomid to see if I can get my T up and my E2 down > my modulating the receptor. I just don't know what to do and > have never been so frustrated in my life!! Any opinions are > greatly appreciated. > > > What was your original total T and LH/FSH levels before you > started TRT. Where you primary/secondary hypogonadism. I too > have a low T 170. I had used propecia and I think this might > have permanently affected my pituitary axis as both my > LH/FSH are also low. I just started the same TRT 5g gel as > you yesterday. I was having so many symptoms moodiness, > depression, loss of libido. I had to try something. I am 49 > years old. Hearing your story about the TRT treatment not > working doesn't make me encouraged. I needed to start TRT to > help me with the above symptoms. I too would like to know if > there is anything to jump start the pituitary to get LH/FSH > up. I am scheduled for MRI make sure no tumor. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I went 20 some yrs being told I am Primary and I found out I am Secondary one thing you can do to see if your Secondary without stopping TRT is to go on HCG doing 500 IU's 3x's a week on top of your TRT. I did this and did labs before going on HCG then after the 15th shot tested again and my Total T doubled going from 500 to 1000. If you try this and your levels shoot way up then you have a pituitary problem and would need an MRI on it to rule out a tumor. If you have one the treatment is still the same and this tumor is rare to be cancer. I used Norarel HCG I know it works get it from my CVS Caremark mail order drug plain if you try this make sure you Dr. says this HCG is for low testosterone so your drug plain will pay for it. I went off TRT 7 times when I was sent to see an Endo doing this only made me crash so bad I was off work on sick leave each time Endo's are not good Dr.'s for low T no good Dr. will take a men off TRT when he has been on it for a long time. You will crash and there is no chance you will go back to the levels you were at before TRT. It can take a good yr. from your brain to go back to working the way it did before going on TRT I have been off TRT 6 months and my levels never came back to my first base line test of 120 I was dam sick doing this and will never let it happen again. I dam near died having heart sugary because the Heart Dr. took me off TRT. Co-Moderator Phil > From: royalblue02@... <royalblue02@...> > Subject: Re: Help Please! > > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 10:32 AM > Well you see now that's part of where > I believe the mistake in my treatment lies. My FSH/LH levels > were never checked so there was never any diagnosis as to > why I was low. This was all before I even knew about > hypogonadism and trying to find out why you're low. I had > dumb doctors and I myself was ignorant to things. My total T > before beginning treatment was 230 and then dropped within > two months to around 200. It was then I was sent to another > doctor who immediately tested only my prolactin levels and > then initiated TRT. You see this is the reason why I'm not > sure if I should just stop for awhile, allow things to > " maybe " return to normal and then get all the tests I should > have gotten in the first place to see what could be causing > it assuming that can even be done now. > > With all that said I will say that for a few months after > starting Testim I felt GREAT and better than I had in a very > long time, but this eventually waned and now I am where I > am. I wouldn't count out treatment for yourself and use my > experience to deter or discourage you. The correct protocols > weren't followed in my case so I need to look elsewhere for > the cause of the problem. I think stress plays a very big > role in the suppression of natural T production through the > generation of cortisol, etc. In your case, from what I've > read from you, things are quite different than in my > situation. Don't give up hope on the Testim, although I will > say that gels have been known to fail. Sometimes your body > stops absorbing enough of the medication and many men > eventually end up on injections after being on gels for > quite some time. This is not true in all cases but it is for > more than half I would say. Thank you for your response and > I wish you the best in getting your life back to the way it > should be. A man of any age should not have a precipitous > decrease in sex drive and if and when he does it NEEDS to be > looked into since low T can cause ALL KINDS of health > problems and low libido is just the tip of the iceberg. > > > > > > > > > Okay guys I posted this to another board but > things seem to be getting worse. I have been on TRT since > last October. I turned 40 years old in February. I apply 2 > tubes of Testim every day. Here is a list of the recurring > problems I'm having. I believe that Phil is familiar with > this from another board but I want as many opinions as > possible and I believe Phil to be right but I need to figure > out how to approach it with my doc. > > > > > > 1. What the hell am I supposed to feel like after > turning 40? I mean I feel worse now than ever. I have NO > interest in sex AT ALL! I mean I still notice attractive > women and have morning erections but when it comes to sex I > could take it or leave it and would rather leave it. I'm > experiencing ED, very slow to ejaculate and almost no > intensity at all in my orgasms. Because of the loss of > pleasure I don't even care anymore!! I should add that none > of this started until I started TRT. Before starting TRT my > sex drive was low but NOT this low and my orgasms were > normal and I could have orgasms within just a few minutes of > initiating sex and they were intense and forceful but not > anymore. > > > > > > 2. I understand that as a guy ages things slow > down but I also know it isn't a plunge off a cliff slowing > down. It is gradual and almost unnoticeable. I should also > add that any of the PDE5 drugs don't seem to help much with > the erection quality nor the ability to achieve an orgasm > before I am just too worn out to continue sexual activity. > > > > > > So that's about it. I'm gonna consult with two > docs. The last time I had a T test the Total T levels had > dropped from 617 to 327. That is having the blood drawn > after not applying the gel for 24 hours. I'm fairly certain > the problem is E2 being way too high even though LabCorps > ultra-sensitive assay showed me at 25pg/ml. > > > > > > So I don't know what to do. Phil has told me that > LabCorps test is no longer accurate and that I should get a > test through Quest. I don't know what to do and all of these > problems are seriously making me consider going off TRT > altogether and trying to talk the doc into letting me try a > cycle of Clomid to see if I can get my T up and my E2 down > my modulating the receptor. I just don't know what to do and > have never been so frustrated in my life!! Any opinions are > greatly appreciated. > > > > > What was your original total T and LH/FSH levels > before you started TRT. Where you primary/secondary > hypogonadism. I too have a low T 170. I had used propecia > and I think this might have permanently affected my > pituitary axis as both my LH/FSH are also low. I just > started the same TRT 5g gel as you yesterday. I was having > so many symptoms moodiness, depression, loss of libido. I > had to try something. I am 49 years old. Hearing your story > about the TRT treatment not working doesn't make me > encouraged. I needed to start TRT to help me with the above > symptoms. I too would like to know if there is anything to > jump start the pituitary to get LH/FSH up. I am scheduled > for MRI make sure no tumor. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 So Phil, in reading your always excellent advice how would you suggest I approach this with my doc. Clearly another Total T and free T test is needed after the shower, etc and possibly another E2 test. So my question is how in the world would I convince my doc to put me on HCG? I want to go back in there armed with as much information as possible. It could be that I may have to bite the bullet, after the tests, and go see Dr. . I'm just so confused how I should approach this. I really feel like I need a supply of Arimidex on hand just in case and also HCG as needed. It could also be my T is again very low cause the Testim as stopped getting in and I may need to do injections, which would be fine with me since they are much cheaper. I really need to know how to approach this. A couple of questions for you since you are older. How is your libido? When did you notice that your libido was back to the way it was, let's say, when you were in your late twenties or early 30's? I'm just curious to compare my feelings to someone else who's been through the ringer as well. Also I'd like to say it is DAMN good to see you posting again and I'm sure glad you recovered from the heart surgery. > > > > > > > > Okay guys I posted this to another board but > > things seem to be getting worse. I have been on TRT since > > last October. I turned 40 years old in February. I apply 2 > > tubes of Testim every day. Here is a list of the recurring > > problems I'm having. I believe that Phil is familiar with > > this from another board but I want as many opinions as > > possible and I believe Phil to be right but I need to figure > > out how to approach it with my doc. > > > > > > > > 1. What the hell am I supposed to feel like after > > turning 40? I mean I feel worse now than ever. I have NO > > interest in sex AT ALL! I mean I still notice attractive > > women and have morning erections but when it comes to sex I > > could take it or leave it and would rather leave it. I'm > > experiencing ED, very slow to ejaculate and almost no > > intensity at all in my orgasms. Because of the loss of > > pleasure I don't even care anymore!! I should add that none > > of this started until I started TRT. Before starting TRT my > > sex drive was low but NOT this low and my orgasms were > > normal and I could have orgasms within just a few minutes of > > initiating sex and they were intense and forceful but not > > anymore. > > > > > > > > 2. I understand that as a guy ages things slow > > down but I also know it isn't a plunge off a cliff slowing > > down. It is gradual and almost unnoticeable. I should also > > add that any of the PDE5 drugs don't seem to help much with > > the erection quality nor the ability to achieve an orgasm > > before I am just too worn out to continue sexual activity. > > > > > > > > So that's about it. I'm gonna consult with two > > docs. The last time I had a T test the Total T levels had > > dropped from 617 to 327. That is having the blood drawn > > after not applying the gel for 24 hours. I'm fairly certain > > the problem is E2 being way too high even though LabCorps > > ultra-sensitive assay showed me at 25pg/ml. > > > > > > > > So I don't know what to do. Phil has told me that > > LabCorps test is no longer accurate and that I should get a > > test through Quest. I don't know what to do and all of these > > problems are seriously making me consider going off TRT > > altogether and trying to talk the doc into letting me try a > > cycle of Clomid to see if I can get my T up and my E2 down > > my modulating the receptor. I just don't know what to do and > > have never been so frustrated in my life!! Any opinions are > > greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > What was your original total T and LH/FSH levels > > before you started TRT. Where you primary/secondary > > hypogonadism. I too have a low T 170. I had used propecia > > and I think this might have permanently affected my > > pituitary axis as both my LH/FSH are also low. I just > > started the same TRT 5g gel as you yesterday. I was having > > so many symptoms moodiness, depression, loss of libido. I > > had to try something. I am 49 years old. Hearing your story > > about the TRT treatment not working doesn't make me > > encouraged. I needed to start TRT to help me with the above > > symptoms. I too would like to know if there is anything to > > jump start the pituitary to get LH/FSH up. I am scheduled > > for MRI make sure no tumor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 First tell him you can't do gels any more your afraid you wife and kids are getting on them from your skin and you don't want to do this anymore. Show him this cut and paste Dr. sent to me to get my Dr. to let me try HCG never do more then 500 IU's a day. ========================================================================== 03-13-2005, 03:10 PM pmgamer18 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,017 Rep Power: 12 I am confused? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been on TRT for 21 yrs and I am Primary I read SWALE paper on adding HCG to the mix. I asked my Dr. if it would help and he felt no. Because my Testis don't work. SWALE is he right. Phil pmgamer18 View Public Profile Send a private message to pmgamer18 Send email to pmgamer18 Find all posts by pmgamer18 Add pmgamer18 to Your Contacts #6 (permalink) 03-13-2005, 03:53 PM SWALE Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 2,243 Rep Power: 0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing) there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone. This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic consideration. Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more natural balance of our hormones. Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life issues. Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated. ========================================================================== SWALE is Dr. also show him this link a study on the use of HCG. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 Here are some links to get Arimidex. http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm Tell him BCBS pays for the use of Arimidex in men and dam near more men buy this drug the women. The dose for men when they get there E2 down is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days if your levels are real high you can start with .5 mgs look for night time and morning wood to come back keep an eye on this wood if it stops your going to low on the higher dose of arimidex. So as soon as wood stops stop the arimidex until the wood comes back. That do go back on it but take less so between gaging your wood and labs you can keep in the best levels for Estradiol. Co-Moderator Phil > From: royalblue02@... <royalblue02@...> > Subject: Re: Help Please! > > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:11 PM > So Phil, in reading your always > excellent advice how would you suggest I approach this with > my doc. Clearly another Total T and free T test is needed > after the shower, etc and possibly another E2 test. So my > question is how in the world would I convince my doc to put > me on HCG? I want to go back in there armed with as much > information as possible. It could be that I may have to bite > the bullet, after the tests, and go see Dr. . I'm just > so confused how I should approach this. I really feel like I > need a supply of Arimidex on hand just in case and also HCG > as needed. It could also be my T is again very low cause the > Testim as stopped getting in and I may need to do > injections, which would be fine with me since they are much > cheaper. I really need to know how to approach this. > > A couple of questions for you since you are older. How is > your libido? When did you notice that your libido was back > to the way it was, let's say, when you were in your late > twenties or early 30's? I'm just curious to compare my > feelings to someone else who's been through the ringer as > well. Also I'd like to say it is DAMN good to see you > posting again and I'm sure glad you recovered from the heart > surgery. > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay guys I posted this to another > board but > > > things seem to be getting worse. I have been on > TRT since > > > last October. I turned 40 years old in February. > I apply 2 > > > tubes of Testim every day. Here is a list of the > recurring > > > problems I'm having. I believe that Phil is > familiar with > > > this from another board but I want as many > opinions as > > > possible and I believe Phil to be right but I > need to figure > > > out how to approach it with my doc. > > > > > > > > > > 1. What the hell am I supposed to feel > like after > > > turning 40? I mean I feel worse now than ever. I > have NO > > > interest in sex AT ALL! I mean I still notice > attractive > > > women and have morning erections but when it > comes to sex I > > > could take it or leave it and would rather leave > it. I'm > > > experiencing ED, very slow to ejaculate and > almost no > > > intensity at all in my orgasms. Because of the > loss of > > > pleasure I don't even care anymore!! I should add > that none > > > of this started until I started TRT. Before > starting TRT my > > > sex drive was low but NOT this low and my orgasms > were > > > normal and I could have orgasms within just a few > minutes of > > > initiating sex and they were intense and forceful > but not > > > anymore. > > > > > > > > > > 2. I understand that as a guy ages > things slow > > > down but I also know it isn't a plunge off a > cliff slowing > > > down. It is gradual and almost unnoticeable. I > should also > > > add that any of the PDE5 drugs don't seem to help > much with > > > the erection quality nor the ability to achieve > an orgasm > > > before I am just too worn out to continue sexual > activity. > > > > > > > > > > So that's about it. I'm gonna consult > with two > > > docs. The last time I had a T test the Total T > levels had > > > dropped from 617 to 327. That is having the blood > drawn > > > after not applying the gel for 24 hours. I'm > fairly certain > > > the problem is E2 being way too high even though > LabCorps > > > ultra-sensitive assay showed me at 25pg/ml. > > > > > > > > > > So I don't know what to do. Phil has > told me that > > > LabCorps test is no longer accurate and that I > should get a > > > test through Quest. I don't know what to do and > all of these > > > problems are seriously making me consider going > off TRT > > > altogether and trying to talk the doc into > letting me try a > > > cycle of Clomid to see if I can get my T up and > my E2 down > > > my modulating the receptor. I just don't know > what to do and > > > have never been so frustrated in my life!! Any > opinions are > > > greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > What was your original total T and LH/FSH > levels > > > before you started TRT. Where you > primary/secondary > > > hypogonadism. I too have a low T 170. I had used > propecia > > > and I think this might have permanently affected > my > > > pituitary axis as both my LH/FSH are also low. I > just > > > started the same TRT 5g gel as you yesterday. I > was having > > > so many symptoms moodiness, depression, loss of > libido. I > > > had to try something. I am 49 years old. Hearing > your story > > > about the TRT treatment not working doesn't make > me > > > encouraged. I needed to start TRT to help me with > the above > > > symptoms. I too would like to know if there is > anything to > > > jump start the pituitary to get LH/FSH up. I am > scheduled > > > for MRI make sure no tumor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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