Any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

I know I know I know...the frustration only worsens things a hundred

fold...

(HUGS)))

Rhonda

> > I don't have any suggestions for you because I " m going through

the

> same thing. About 2 weeks ago I started feeling really bad while

we

> were on vacation. I was so tired, had headaches, feet and hands

ached

> real bad (have had bouts with cold sensitivity before), just felt

> lousy like you said. I got in to see my doctor when I got back

and he

> ordered a blood test but upped my Levoxyl to .088 (from .75). I

don't

> know how the test went yet but I'm on this new dose for a month

and

> then will be retested and see how I feel. I had a couple really

good

> days and then a couple really bad days and today was okay. So

we'll

> see. I know several people who have done wonderful on the first

dose

> prescribed to them and wonder why my doseage has been changed so

> much. Vicki

> > Any suggestions?

> >

> >

> > Okay...here's my predicament. I've been treated for

> hypothyroidism

> > for about two years now, fairly successfully. My doc is an

> > endocrinologist who is listed on Shomon's " Top Docs "

list, so

> > he's not totally ignorant about this thyroid stuff.

> >

> > Late last fall, I began to feel not so good again...I had

bouts of

> > depression, itchy skin, cold sensitivity, and found it hard

to

> lose

> > weight again...this after having dropped about 30 pounds

earlier

> in

> > the year cutting back my carbs and refined sugars. Since I

don't

> have

> > great health insurance, I waited until my appointment with my

doc

> in

> > January, knowing without a doubt that my TSH would surely be

up

> to 3.5

> > or more. Well, my blood test came back with a TSH of 1.1!

I'm

> taking

> > Levoxyl and cytomel. Based on my blood work, my doc decided

not

> to

> > change my meds but said that if I was still feeling lousy in

> another

> > month to re-do the blood work and then he'd look at it

again.

> Well,

> > I'm still having those same symptoms, and the depression is

> getting

> > increasingly worse. I'm absolutely exhausted by mid-day, and

I

> just

> > generally feel lousy. Also, I exercise religiously and have

> adhered

> > to my low-carb diet fairly well.

> >

> > Does anyone have any experience with something like this? I

don't

> > want to go through the expense of another blood test if my

> numbers are

> > going to show near perfect TSH. If I was feeling bad before,

and

> my

> > numbers were good, why would my numbers change now?

> >

> > If I had insurance, I would get re-tested in a heartbeat. But

> since

> > finances are a consideration, I'm finding myself questioning

> what's

> > going on more.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions...

> >

> > Tracie

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I never focused much on aches/pains, but now that you all mention it,

I have had weird pains like my shins aches sometimes, or my knee for

no real reason. *sigh*

Rhonda

> In a message dated 4/15/04 4:51:25 PM Central Daylight Time,

> avalchro@b... writes:

> My aches didn't go away at all until I started taking Armour, which

> compeletly cured my extremely painful heel spur and arthritis-like

aches.

> when you all talk of aches, what sort is it?

> I've been getting these aches/pains in my calves when I sit. Well,

I dont

> notice it until I stand and walk, then it's like my calves have

stiffened up. But

> once I've taken a few steps, they're fine. It's very odd. I did

mention it

> to my GP, but she just said it wasnt really indicative of anything

specific.

> But then, I'm skeptical about my GP in general....I'm on levoxyl

too, and also

> toprol that I have to take for my tachycardia (which I'm sure is

some how

> related to my thyroid prob) Usually, they only give me like 2 or 3

refills on my

> prescriptions , and then I have to call in again. She said at this

point, my

> thyroid levels have stayed pretty equal with everytime they've been

tested since

> I was diagnosed, so I should only need to have them checked once a

year, and

> yet, they still only give me a couple of months on my meds...I

called them a

> week ago to get them to write me new scripts. We have a mail order

prescription

> program for meds taken regularly, that is much cheaper than paying

monthly.

> But I needed to mail in a new script. I called on a wednesday, then

again the

> following monday because no one ever called. They finally called me

back Tuesday

> saying I could pick them up. Well, it has to be written for 180

days

> (specifically NOT 6 months! found that out the hard way! lol) they

wrote it for 180

> days, but with 3 refills!!! so now they have basically given me 2

yrs worth on

> my meds!!!

> ya just gotta wonder about them......

>

> does seem strange so many of us are on Levoxyl and having aches and

pains of

> some sort....

>

> pam

[Guest guest]

Oh my, well, you know I've had docs try to do that too. I think

antidepressants will only cause more trouble, so I won't take them. I

just had my gyno tell me that since I was 'depressed' and won't take

meds for it, that I should 'seek counseling'. I think NO, I just need

to fix my stupid thyroid!

again, I sigh, *sigh*

love Rhonda

> I went to my dr appt on Friday and he left my meds at .088 and

started me on some anti depressent medication. He seems to think

that's the problem. Well wouldn't you be depressed if you hadn't felt

good regularly in 3 years. He won't give me a referral to an

endocronologist right now. I go back next month and if I'm not

feeling better, I will demand one or see if there's a way around him

giving me a referral.

> My aches and pains are my forearms and hands, ankles and feet. They

just ache most of the time.

> Vicki

> Re: Any suggestions?

>

>

> P.S. On the aches, etc. That all went away when I stared taking

Armour thyroid. I took synthroid for 2 1/2 years. Normal labs and

all, but fely icky. Got the Dr. to switch me, and in one week, I

feel a world of a difference!

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

First of all, why is your husband saying no?

At 01:34 AM 6/28/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi everyone. I've contacted stanford and Mathieu has been accepted.

>For me that is really great news. But not for my husband. I feel I

>have tried every angle to get him to understand that this is the

>right thing to do, But he is still saying no to the whole thing. I

>told him that I'm going with or without him, But I still want to try

>to convince him it's the right thing to do. If anyone went through

>the same thing that i'm going through or has any suggestions that you

>think would be helpful, I would love to hear them. Thank you

>

>

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My husband is saying no because he says there are to many risks

involved. He saw the word cancer and he was against it from there.

I tried to show him that it's only if the medicine is given to him

over a long period of time, but he does'nt want to hear it.

> >Hi everyone. I've contacted stanford and Mathieu has been

accepted.

> >For me that is really great news. But not for my husband. I feel

I

> >have tried every angle to get him to understand that this is the

> >right thing to do, But he is still saying no to the whole thing. I

> >told him that I'm going with or without him, But I still want to

try

> >to convince him it's the right thing to do. If anyone went through

> >the same thing that i'm going through or has any suggestions that

you

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Carolyn. Before my son was diagnosed the orthopaedic dr wanted him

to take ibuprofen for his pain. could not take it for very long

without terrible stomach pain. When he went to the rheumy the first time

and she diagnosed him, she started him on Celebrex right away due to the

history of stomach upset. He has had no problems with his stomach since,

even when he was taking 800 mgs a day. So for him, Celebrex has been a

good NSAID. Hope this helps, and don't worry about asking questions. We

all do it, its how we learn the most about this disease. Michele (

17, pauci & spondy)

Any Suggestions?

Hi Everyone - here I am with yet another question. My son, Dylan, has

been off medication from his pauci-JRA since June of 2003. He did have

an injection to his knee this past June, but it appears to not have

helped because he started having a flare-up about 2 weeks ago. The knee

is puffy and just today started to feel warm to the touch. He says it

only hurts if he stiffens it up, or if something hits it or he bangs it.

My question is - is there an anti-inflammatory that works without giving

too much stomach upset? He was on Naprosyn and it really did a number

on his stomach, even with a few different types of stuff that we would

give him beforehand to supposedly 'coat' his stomach. I am pretty sure

his rheumy is going to put him back on some sort of medication, and I

just want to go in to her office with some knowledge.

I thank you in advance for your help. Everyone on this site is always

very quick to respond and be so helpful,

Carolyn (Dylan, 6, pauci)

LIVE WELL LAUGH OFTEN LOVE MUCH

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn- I am very new to all of this but I will pass along what

worked for us. Before my son got in to see the Ped. Rheum. my

Ped. talked with the Ped. Rheumy and they put him on Naproxen

(generic for Naprosyn). He was on it for five days and by the fifth

day his stomach hurt worse than his joints and his joint inflamation

got worse. He was then put on Nambumetone. The inflamation seemed

to respond a little better to this medication and it did not hurt his

stomach at all. However, he was only on this medication for about

five days also. We finally saw the Ped. Rheumy who then after many

test put him on Orapred and took him off the anti-inflam. drugs. So

even though he only took these medications a short time the

Nambumetone was much better for him.

Christi ( Logan - systemic, age 3)

> Hi Everyone - here I am with yet another question. My son, Dylan,

has been off medication from his pauci-JRA since June of 2003. He

did have an injection to his knee this past June, but it appears to

not have helped because he started having a flare-up about 2 weeks

ago. The knee is puffy and just today started to feel warm to the

touch. He says it only hurts if he stiffens it up, or if something

hits it or he bangs it.

>

> My question is - is there an anti-inflammatory that works without

giving too much stomach upset? He was on Naprosyn and it really did

a number on his stomach, even with a few different types of stuff

that we would give him beforehand to supposedly 'coat' his stomach.

I am pretty sure his rheumy is going to put him back on some sort of

medication, and I just want to go in to her office with some

knowledge.

>

> I thank you in advance for your help. Everyone on this site is

always very quick to respond and be so helpful,

>

> Carolyn (Dylan, 6, pauci)

>

>

>

>

> LIVE WELL LAUGH OFTEN LOVE MUCH

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

You've probably already gotten responses that Celebrex, Vioxx, or

Biox (something like that, made by the same or similar company) are

all NSAIDS, like naprosyn that do the same thing but with less

stomache upset (allegedly). They are mostly off-label for

pediatrics but many peds. use them. There are also some other

studies warning of their long term effects. Talk to your rheumy

about them.

There are plenty of pauci kids here that will probably chime in

about what to do.

Stacia and Hunter 8 systemic, iritis

> Hi Everyone - here I am with yet another question. My son, Dylan,

has been off medication from his pauci-JRA since June of 2003. He

did have an injection to his knee this past June, but it appears to

not have helped because he started having a flare-up about 2 weeks

ago. The knee is puffy and just today started to feel warm to the

touch. He says it only hurts if he stiffens it up, or if something

hits it or he bangs it.

>

> My question is - is there an anti-inflammatory that works without

giving too much stomach upset? He was on Naprosyn and it really did

a number on his stomach, even with a few different types of stuff

that we would give him beforehand to supposedly 'coat' his stomach.

I am pretty sure his rheumy is going to put him back on some sort of

medication, and I just want to go in to her office with some

knowledge.

>

> I thank you in advance for your help. Everyone on this site is

always very quick to respond and be so helpful,

>

> Carolyn (Dylan, 6, pauci)

>

>

>

>

> LIVE WELL LAUGH OFTEN LOVE MUCH

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Our Hunter is on Naproxen - for the first three weeks it upset her stomach.

Then her rhuemy put her on Zantac. No more stomach issues. Recently she

had to be taken off the naproxen for 12 days due to oral surgery(stubborn baby

tooth) her legs and arms really began to hurt again. We only hope that the

stomach issues will not come back and we also make her eat something prior to

her dosage. Sandi Ken Hunter (Systemic6)

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandi,

I found that interesting, when you mentioned that Hunter had a

'stubborn' baby tooth. Josh needed the help of a dentist with removal of

two of his teeth, that were very slow in falling out. Is that what you

meant? The other teeth were formed and passed ready to come in but his

baby teeth just didn't want to budge. Hmmm...

Aloha,

Georgina

deerhuntert6@... wrote:

> Our Hunter is on Naproxen - for the first three weeks it upset her stomach.

> Then her rhuemy put her on Zantac. No more stomach issues. Recently she

> had to be taken off the naproxen for 12 days due to oral surgery(stubborn baby

> tooth) her legs and arms really began to hurt again. We only hope that the

> stomach issues will not come back and we also make her eat something prior to

> her dosage. Sandi Ken Hunter (Systemic6)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/10/2004 1:28:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

gmckin@... writes:

The other teeth were formed and passed ready to come in but his

baby teeth just didn't want to budge. Hmmm...

had to have all her baby teeth pulled. They would not come out on their

own

[Guest guest]

There are a number of good programs for voice recognition software,

and I bet your local school would have such programs and recommend a

good one. My eldest son, has always looked written poorly, only in

taht his hand could never keep pace with his mind. Being extremely

gifted, his inablity to write legibly was affecting his grades and

confidence. The school recommened this software, and after a few

hours of programing his voice, he was well on his way.

The expense can vary, so like I said,, i would seek recommendations

if possible before forking out the cash on just any one.

Good luck,,,

Sharron

>

> Hey

> I'm starting to have a lot more problems with my left hand now and

I was

> wondering if anyone had any helpful suggestions for either typing or

> voice-recognition software that could help me out when it's bad. I

think I

> could probably get some help with typing up through the university,

but for

> all their efficiency I'm not sure it would get done soon enough.

>

> Jo

[Guest guest]

" Dragon Naturally Speaking " is a voice recognition

software package that has been around for quite a

while. I haven't personally used it, but I've heard

good things about it.

Depending on which hand you use to mouse, a trackball

may help. My problem is the right index finger, and

using the trackball has made a huge difference.

Good luck!

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If you're tired of fighting battles with yourself

If you want to be somebody else

Change your mind...

-- Sister Hazel

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[Guest guest]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:19:41 -0000, you wrote:

>

>

>

>im 21 years old and have shown below normal ranges in fsh, ig-f-1 and

>low test (3.33) over two different blood tests. despite the low

>numbers clinical m.d.s wont suppliment and i dont meet the age

>requirements for online doctors. i have numerous sypmtoms, but i

>guess my main complaints are of fatigue, depression, memory and

>concentration, and skin problems (dry flaky skin and acne). i

>recently saw what i guess would be an herbal doctor and he claimed

>that i have a condition known as dysbiosis? would anyone know of

>doctor who would co-operate and get my hormones back to the proper

>range for a 21 year old?

>

>here are the stats for 2 blood tests:

>

>9-24-04 afternoon (p.m.) collection

>total testosterone = 3.33 ng/ml out of 2.41-8.27 range

>fsh = 1.2 (low) miu/ml out of 1.4-18.1 range

>lh = 4.3 miu/ml out of 1.5-9.3 range

>

>12-9-04 morning (a.m.) collection

>free testosterone = 157 pg/ml out of 50-210 range

>total testosterone = 607 ng/dl out of 260-1000 range

>% free test = 2.59 out of 1.0-2.7 range

>

>12-14-04 morning (a.m.) collection

>fsh = 2.1 miu/ml out of 1.4-18.1 range

>lh= 7.2 miu/ml out of 1.5-9.3 range

Your numbers don't seem bad. Good high free T average T.

The low FSH is not necessarily a big deal. FSH is delivered in timed

spurts and dissipates quickly. to measure it correctly they take

several blood draws over a half hour or more and pool the samples to

get a timed average. Did they do that for you?

To start messing with T supplementation if your levels are truly

normal can really mess you up and shut down or disrupt your natural

production so you'll be on replacement therapy your whole life. Don't

go there unless its necessary.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You are too young to have these types of readings.

The normal doctor can not treat you unless he has experience in this

field. Most doctors coming on the scene are new to hormone therapy and

get their technical info from handouts provided by pharmceutical reps

and they are learning by treating their patients. Bad medicine in my book.

I suggest you send an E-MAIL to Dr. R. Don Gambrell, Augusta GA who

has a web site at:

http://www.members.aol.com/gambr999/

Look him up on GOOGLE to see his credentials. He has been treating

andorpause and couples with fertility problems for decades. He has

experience in the out of the ordinary hormone problems.

It may take a few days for him to respond as he has a thriving

practice in Augusta, GA.

ernestnolan

>

> im 21 years old and have shown below normal ranges in fsh, ig-f-1 and

> low test (3.33) over two different blood tests. despite the low

> numbers clinical m.d.s wont suppliment and i dont meet the age

> requirements for online doctors. i have numerous sypmtoms, but i

> guess my main complaints are of fatigue, depression, memory and

> concentration, and skin problems (dry flaky skin and acne). i

> recently saw what i guess would be an herbal doctor and he claimed

> that i have a condition known as dysbiosis? would anyone know of

> doctor who would co-operate and get my hormones back to the proper

> range for a 21 year old?

>

> here are the stats for 2 blood tests:

>

> 9-24-04 afternoon (p.m.) collection

> total testosterone = 3.33 ng/ml out of 2.41-8.27 range

> fsh = 1.2 (low) miu/ml out of 1.4-18.1 range

> lh = 4.3 miu/ml out of 1.5-9.3 range

>

> 12-9-04 morning (a.m.) collection

> free testosterone = 157 pg/ml out of 50-210 range

> total testosterone = 607 ng/dl out of 260-1000 range

> % free test = 2.59 out of 1.0-2.7 range

>

> 12-14-04 morning (a.m.) collection

> fsh = 2.1 miu/ml out of 1.4-18.1 range

> lh= 7.2 miu/ml out of 1.5-9.3 range

[Guest guest]

I agree with retro.

Have you had other areas looked at, such as thyroid function?

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi Shar,

If I read your post correctly then you are probably just starting out

and this is the recommended way to start remciade:1st infusion, 2 weeks

lare, 2nd infusion, 4 wks later, 3rd infusion and then after that

trying every 6-8 weks. They call it a loading dose and try to build

some up in your system.

sorry your hands are as sore as ever but there is still hope the

remicade could work for you.

best wishes,

marti

> Hi everyone ... I was on Enbrel and MTX for 4 months ... that didn't

> help ..... Then I was put on Remicade and MTX .... I had 2 vials of

> remicade first .... I felt wonderful.... 2 weeks later 3 vials of the

> remicade infusion ... and I felt great ...and then a month later

> another 3 vials of remicade (it started wearing off in 2 weeks) and

I'm

> still on Mtx every week ... My question is ....... I had my last

> infusion 4 days ago and my hands are just as sore as ever ...... I

> called my rheumy and she put me on predisone for about 10 days ......

> then she does not want me to come back for another 8 weeks for the

next

> remicade infusion ...... if it didn't last the last time when I went

> one month ... how does she (the doctor)think it will hold for 8 weeks

> this time. I'm frustated. Any suggestions out there?

> Thanks, Shar

[Guest guest]

I'm trying not to discourage you, but my rheumatologist told me that

even if the remicade doesn't take the pain away completely, it can

still minimize the damage that is occouring. I'm one of the lucky

ones. When I was on it, it took the pain , swelling, and leisions away

starting the next day. Now I'm just trying to get back on it through

their " free if you're broke " program. Don't give up yet. It may just

be a matter of adjusting dosage and time.

Sabra

[Guest guest]

I will pray for youJen <diegowench@...> wrote: I am going to try to make this very to the point, I am pretty scattered right now which is a bummer, since yesterday I had a half day spa day and was very very relaxed. Ok, so here is what happened: Yesterday I had a spa day, and was unbelievably relaxed (no pain for the first time in over 10 years), Hope was very wound up because Molly was home. We were all thrilled, the issue for her (she has AS), is that I went

straight into work after I picked her up from the airport, so that I could go to my appointment. She went with my mom and hung out and then we had dinner together. Ok, so - we got home, and Hope who has cried for Molly every day was clingy and crying to be with Molly. Molly gets overwhelmed very easily and by 9pm she was doing that shrill leave me alone stuff and being a complete jerk. I finally got Hope to sleep, and I guess I was pretty exhausted because I literally slept until noon. Molly tried to watch Hope, but Hope once she fixates on something perseverates BAD. So, like for example, she wants to go on the computer, she will ask, and we will say, after so and so is done, she will literally come and say every 35-40 seconds now now now??? and climb all over you etc., so anyways, I get up and Max was supposed to do his chores (haven't been done in several days) and help Hope plant her new baby

plants, and he is yelling, Molly is yelling, Hope is losing it and I at this point have a migraine. I don't know how to make this all work. I have talked to the kids at length about Hope - who has autism. Max when he gets mad, yells at me and says that I never make her do anything. When he is calm he tries to get it, but once he loses his temper or gets overhwhelmed - he has SID noise defensive - he starts yelling and says really hurtful things to me about not being able to control Hope or how she is such a brat, last night Molly was doing the same thing. So we have flip flopped from Molly being all about Hope to Sara being that way. I bought sara a book called, everyone is different for siblings of kids with autism and it made a huge difference. Anyways, I am so frustrated, the benefits of the spa massage - the lady is a holistic health practitioner who also works in a hospital

working with people who have fibromyalgia and cfs which is what I have, are gone. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they wentWill There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.Ben A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loveshimself.Josh Billings Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to .

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[Guest guest]

does not sound like you have an infection. (which is good). I had a

urinary frequency problem, used the wrist godzilla and it cleared up

in about 4 days. who knows how these things happen, but I used it

just to test the device for safety mainly and I got this side

benefit, so what the heck.

bG

>

> Hi All

>

> I¡¦m new to this group. Had joined sometime ago to find out more

but

> must admit have not been keeping up to date. Read abit about rife

> machines, zapper. Very interested but not very sure still. Any

> suggestions where to start?

>

> Also wonder if anyone can offer suggestions/opinions on my health

> concern:

>

> I¡¦m a 38 male. I had been experiencing bubbles in my urine (most

of

> the time, almost 90%) for the last 2 years or so. Before that it

> happened occasionally and I tend to feel ¡§tired¡¨ when that

> happens. Sometimes there¡¦s this ¡§puffy¡¨ feeling around the

eyes.

>

> Had done a Bicom test with my naturepath some time ago and

there¡¦s a

> slight abnormally with the kidney reading. Tested blood

> protein/albumin but pretty much normal. However, urine pH is

> consistently alkaline, sometimes on the high end of 8/9.

>

> Will appreciate any suggestions/recommendations.

>

> Warmest regards.

>

> Nixon

>

[Guest guest]

hi bG,

Thanks for the feedback. What is the Godzilla?

sorry.. i'm pretty new to this?

could you give me some link?

Many thanks.

nixon

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our files section and photos section on the left explains and shows

pictures of the devices we have nicknamed " godzilla " since they are

so crude.

bG

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> hi bG,

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> Thanks for the feedback. What is the Godzilla?

> sorry.. i'm pretty new to this?

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> could you give me some link?

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> Many thanks.

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> nixon

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I'm so impressed that you were able to handle giving self injections in

your deltoids... It takes a bit of dexterity to aspirate -- ( pull back

the plunger to check that you are not in a vein) -- with one hand!!

About the pain... I wonder if you are using a very tiny barrel syringe?

A 1cc syringe, (like those used for insulin injections) is really tiny,

and the smaller the barrel the more force in the stream of liquid from

the needle. If that's the case, you are doing the right thing to

inject very slowly. If you hit a major nerve you would feel a

" shooting " pain down your leg... so don't think thats happening.

Hope that helps!!!

Jane

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> Hi all. I'm on day 4 of phase 2. I started my injections on my right

> arm, then right buttock, then right leg and today my left leg (working

> my way back up the other side). I had to push the plunger really

> slowly today because it hurt so much as the hcg went into the muscle.

> I also had to stop repeatedly for a few seconds to get it to quit

> hurting. My right leg was similar, but not nearly as bad. I'm

> wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if anybody can give me some

> suggestions on what to do to make it better. I was sitting down while

> giving the injection. I'm also wondering if this will start happening

> more as the fat is released. Both my legs hurt quite a bit yesterday,

> but they felt better after I walked for a while.

>

> I've never been an herbal tea drinker before, but I must say the teas

> are actually pretty good. I don't like the oolong tea hot, so I let it

> cool to room temp before drinking it. Also, thanks to this diet, I

> found out that I like asparagus. Nobody in my household eats it, so

> I'd never tried it until yesterday. Who knows, I might find out I like

> a lot of other foods I've never tried.

>

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Regarding the asparagus ... I love 'em too! If you're not used to eating the, however, don't be alarmed when you notice a distinct odor from your "p". It's just the asparagus!! I eat 'em cooked and raw!! But they've got to be the really thin ones!troubled_nc <troubled_nc@...> wrote: I'm so impressed that you were able to handle giving self injections inyour deltoids... It takes a bit of dexterity to aspirate -- ( pull backthe plunger to check that you are not in a vein) -- with one

hand!! About the pain... I wonder if you are using a very tiny barrel syringe?A 1cc syringe, (like those used for insulin injections) is really tiny,and the smaller the barrel the more force in the stream of liquid fromthe needle. If that's the case, you are doing the right thing toinject very slowly. If you hit a major nerve you would feel a"shooting" pain down your leg... so don't think thats happening. Hope that helps!!!Jane>> Hi all. I'm on day 4 of phase 2. I started my injections on my right> arm, then right buttock, then right leg and today my left leg (working> my way back up the other side). I had to push the plunger really> slowly today because it hurt so much as the hcg went into the muscle.> I also had to stop repeatedly for a

few seconds to get it to quit> hurting. My right leg was similar, but not nearly as bad. I'm> wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if anybody can give me some> suggestions on what to do to make it better. I was sitting down while> giving the injection. I'm also wondering if this will start happening> more as the fat is released. Both my legs hurt quite a bit yesterday,> but they felt better after I walked for a while.>> I've never been an herbal tea drinker before, but I must say the teas> are actually pretty good. I don't like the oolong tea hot, so I let it> cool to room temp before drinking it. Also, thanks to this diet, I> found out that I like asparagus. Nobody in my household eats it, so> I'd never tried it until yesterday. Who knows, I might find out I like> a lot of other foods I've never tried.>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much! I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'm using

a 29 gauge needle so that has to be what's happening. It makes so

much sense. That truly eases my mind about my injections. I was

really anxious this morning about it. I'm so glad to have some

nurses on here that can help us out. Thanks again.

> >

> > Hi all. I'm on day 4 of phase 2. I started my injections on my

right

> > arm, then right buttock, then right leg and today my left leg

(working

> > my way back up the other side). I had to push the plunger really

> > slowly today because it hurt so much as the hcg went into the

muscle.

> > I also had to stop repeatedly for a few seconds to get it to quit

> > hurting. My right leg was similar, but not nearly as bad. I'm

> > wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if anybody can give me

some

> > suggestions on what to do to make it better. I was sitting down

while

> > giving the injection. I'm also wondering if this will start

happening

> > more as the fat is released. Both my legs hurt quite a bit

yesterday,

> > but they felt better after I walked for a while.

> >

> > I've never been an herbal tea drinker before, but I must say the

teas

> > are actually pretty good. I don't like the oolong tea hot, so I

let it

> > cool to room temp before drinking it. Also, thanks to this diet, I

> > found out that I like asparagus. Nobody in my household eats it,

so

> > I'd never tried it until yesterday. Who knows, I might find out I

like

> > a lot of other foods I've never tried.

> >

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