Potty Training

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In a message dated 2/24/02 2:18:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, duffey48@...

writes:

> Well that's a good start Diane!!!! Can be frustrating I know (Maddie is

> NOWHERE near ready), but at least Rochelle is starting to get the idea.

> Good luck!!!

> Donna

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Donna, how will you know when Maddie will be ready for Potty training? Does

she fight you? Is there to many other things your working on right now? I am

not in your shoes and only want to help but the longer we wait the harder it

may get. Just size alone. The resource teacher assigned to Rochelle suggested

a transition item before attempting to do something. Like a spoon before

getting lunch. A empty toilet spool before potty. I am going to try this

because pics don't seem to be working. The book almost seems like a

transition item because I always give it to her before she sits. Please be

gentle on me if I am completely wrong about Maddie. I do think Mom knows

best. It just reminds me of my fine motor/writing problem with Rochelle. And,

everyone disagreeing with me.

Diane

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In a message dated 2/24/2002 12:10:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> She is on a timed schedule. She does not ask to go. But she will

> go to her book when she has to go sometimes.

Hi diane,

It's a start anyway! good luck

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

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Oh! Diane,

I know the feeling and the clean up. Should we keep a tally? Just

kidding. Take care.

Irma, 13,DS/ASD

> I just wanted to update you on the Potty training. Rochelle started

to play

> with her poop the other night while DH had her on the potty. It was

not

> pretty. Thank goodness we were both there for clean up.

>

> I was aware this might happen and forgot to clue in Husband.

Sooooooo, back

> to the potty on the floor. She is going about 2x a day but we still

have

> accidents. She is on a timed schedule. She does not ask to go. But

she will

> go to her book when she has to go sometimes.

> Diane

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Oh! Diane,

I know the feeling and the clean up. Should we keep a tally? Just

kidding. Take care.

Irma, 13,DS/ASD

Hi Irma

I'll match your 2,000 sheets and raise you 10 comforters!!lol

kathy

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Kathy,

Too funny, my dh just told me to shoosh,as I'm lol!!! That was a good

one.

Irma

P.S. Glad you've decided to write on the certain list and write your

expertise. Such ninnys. Oops! Sorry no calling names on Sunday.

> Hi Irma

> I'll match your 2,000 sheets and raise you 10 comforters!!lol

> kathy

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>

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In a message dated 2/24/02 3:11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> Donna, how will you know when Maddie will be ready for Potty training? Does

> she fight you?

Hey Diane,

Maddie is currently on timed trips to the potty. Sometimes we catch her

and sometimes we don't. But she'll sit on the toilet willingly and even

pushes when she sits, like she knows that's what she's supposed to do.

However, she'd still much rather EAT her BM's than deposit them. We use

PECS (they do at school too), but so far, the connection is just not there.

She KNOWS that she has to hand over the picture to get what she wants, but

she still can't really discriminate the pics. I'm hopeful though!! We'll

get there...some day!!

Thanks for your suggestions Diane. And I never take offense when someone is

offering help...;-) Keep us all posted on Rochelle's progress!!!

{{{{hugs}}}}

Donna

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In a message dated 2/25/02 2:40:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, duffey48@...

writes:

> Maddie is currently on timed trips to the potty

Donna, thats really all I am doing with Rochelle too. Scheduled potty. When

you said Maddie wasn't ready I couldn't figure it out. I think I got it now.

The communication piece will be the hardest. I just cleaned up a poop on the

floor which slipped out. I had Rochelle on the potty 5 minutes earlier when

she picked up a book that is a transition book. She also wet 3x in 2 hours.

Was successful at school though. Go figure. She held it for me. Sometimes I

think she just wants the attention whether it be good or bad.

Diane

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WOW sounds like rochell is doing great!! keep up the good work you guys!!!

shawna.

Re: Potty training

I just wanted to update you on the Potty training. Rochelle started to play

with her poop the other night while DH had her on the potty. It was not

pretty. Thank goodness we were both there for clean up.

I was aware this might happen and forgot to clue in Husband. Sooooooo, back

to the potty on the floor. She is going about 2x a day but we still have

accidents. She is on a timed schedule. She does not ask to go. But she will

go to her book when she has to go sometimes.

Diane:)

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Hey Gang,

Speaking of potty training, *I* actually have a little brag. Miss Maddie

pee pee'd on the toilet yesterday morning before school. She done #2 for me

before but this was the first time for #1. Yeah!!

Donna

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In a message dated 2/27/02 3:19:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

greenpak@... writes:

> yeahhhh maddie, dont want to mess those highly fashionable wardrobe:) shawna

LOLOL a. You should SEE what she does to her stylish clothes!!! LOL

Donna

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Praise praise and more praise!! Just start by praising him with hugs,

tickles, high-fives, squeezes, " good boy " , etc for just being in the

bathroom. Then for just standing near the toilet, then for touching the

toilet, etc. Small steps with lots and lots of praise. And if you see a

tantrum behavior then you know the step you're expecting of him/her is too

difficult, so go back a step or two. We've actually had to de-sensitize

some kids as much as praising them for walking *past* the bathroom door at

first, just to ensure nothing negative was going to happen.

Good luck!

potty training

> i'm looking for some good advice on how to ease my 2-year-old into

> potty training. As of right now he has a really bad fit every time

> we go near the toilet.

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My 7 year old has only been trained for a year. Remember that autistic

children are developmentally delayed. If your child is protesting--chances

are he is not ready. They should know how to pull pants up an down before

you attempt to potty train.

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This Grandma loves to hear about other Grandma's success stories.

My daughter has two girls, one four and the other twenty months. The four

year old was very difficult to potty train but I thought, didn't say so,

that her parents were lazy.

One weekend not too long ago, this Grandma was visiting and as usual, I had

a little helper in the bathroom with me.

As I was washing my hands, I told the youngest one that it would not be long

and she would be pottying in the potty. That very evening, when Mom was

taking off her diaper the baby's not Mom, she told Mack not to potty on the

carpet while she went to get a diaper. Mack got up, ran to the toilet and

couldn't get up on it and peed on the floor and started crying.

The potty chair came out and she has been using it ever since.

Now don't you think that this Grandma should take credit for this?

Potty Training

> To spank or not to spank? That is the question. Amelia is almost 3

> and was more than ready to potty - I think her parents were just to

> liberal. Grandma came to visit and within 24 hours Amelia was going

> potty and threw out all her diapers. Well, anyway I hope that we

> can keep her going on it cause Grandma went home yesterday. Amelia

> goes back to day care today and mom and dad go back to work. Life

> is sometimes such an effort!

>

> P.S. For those in the chat room who normally see me on ... well the

> husband has been messing with the computer and I have to try and

> figure out how to get that part back - when I click chat now it is a

> blank space. Sorry - talk to you soon!

>

>

> ===

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The control muscles needed to potty train a child are not developed until he

is about two years old. Anytime earlier is very difficult, not to mention

frustrating for everybody concerned.

I trained both of my nieces within one week and it was eaaaaasy: I told

them that they could flush the toilet if they put something in there. (Word

of warning learned the hard way: be specific as to what " something " is.)

luthien

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Hi!

This might help.

Take Care,

Kent

The process of teaching a child to use the toilet can be a frustrating one.

This is especially true if the child has a developmental disability. The

protocol listed below has been used successfully, with individuals with

developmental disabilities of all ages.

In addition to the protocol listed below, It can be helpful if a child is

able to observe others using the toilet. This may be something which a

family is not comfortable with or is not appropriate in certain settings.

That's fine.

A major factor in the success of this program is based on the development of

an effective toileting schedule. To determine the right schedule for the

child, data needs to be taken for at least 2-3 days on how often the child

goes to the bathroom. To do this, dry pants checks should be done every 20-

30 min (20 minutes is preferable). If your lucky, you can find diapers

which have a strip which changes color when the child voids otherwise, it

will be necessary to feel for moisture. Take special care to write down the

times of the day that the child defecates as most people defecate at

approximately the same time each day. This procedure is called baseline

data. Once 2-3 days of data has been gathered, it will be necessary figure

out approximately how often the child goes to the bathroom. To do this,

divide the number of waking minutes by the number of times the child went to

the bathroom.

The toileting schedule can now be set up. As a rule of thumb, the child

should be taken to the bathroom, twice as often as the child's average for

urinating and defecating. So, for example, if the child goes to the

bathroom an average of once an hour, the child would be taken to the

bathroom every 1/2 hour. When setting up the toileting schedule, keep in

mind the times of the day that the child is most likely to defecate and try

to have the toileting schedule occur close to these times.

Prior to taking the child to the bathroom, give the child a cue that it is

time to go to the bathroom. I recommend helping the child to make the sign

for toilet until they can make it independently. Using the sign for toilet

will not stop those children who are verbal from saying " toilet " and will

give the child a way of communicating when they have to go to the bathroom

once they have mastered the toileting procedure thus making a toileting

schedule unnecessary.

It is important that the bathroom be a very fun place. Reserve a couple of

the child's favorite toys or books which they can only have access to while

they are seated on the toilet. Also, music can be very helpful. Mozart and

Rockabilly (e.g. Ray Cyrus) seems to work well.

When having the child sit on the toilet, don't force it. The experience

needs to be a positive one. If the child doesn't want to sit on the toilet,

leave the bathroom and try again at the next scheduled time. Also, don't

have the child sit on the toilet for more than 5-7 minutes. If the child is

going to void in the toilet, they will usually do it within that time frame.

If the child voids in the toilet, make a big deal out of it, praise the

child verbally and tactilly (hugs, pats on the back...) and give them access

to a small very preferred edible reinforcer (not always necessary). It will

be important to reduce the use of the edible reinforcers as quickly as

possible but, in the early stages of acquiring toileting skills, it will be

important to make voiding in the toilet an extremely momentous and positive

experience for the child.

One modification which can be made to the protocol which many times will

increase the child's rate of success at voiding in the toilet is to give

them something to drink 15-20 min prior to the scheduled toileting time.

--

A Society should be Judged by how it's members treat the Young, the Old and

the Infirmed.

B. F. Skinner

Kent Moreno

Rt 1 Box 128-X

Burlington, WV 26710

knm@...

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I wish I could help you on this...we are still working on it! The progress

has been slow, but there has been progress. will tell me when he has

to go, but that is often after 8 hours of holding it! His pediatrician

would prefer he not hold it so long, so we are back to a schedule. There

have been a few occasions when went in to the bathroom by himself and

just went...cause for major celebration and a post to the group as well! My

advice would be to have patience and reward him wildly if he does tell you

he has to go. You could do an intense day or two of feeding him lots of

liquids and concentrate only on pottying, and then big rewards when he gives

any indication that he has to go. My son was and still isn't a big drinker,

so that would never work for us.

Good luck...I know the frustration.

R.

Mom to (8, ds) and Grace (5)

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In a message dated 7/2/2002 7:20:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

amycantler@... writes:

> Hi, I was hoping someone might have some helpful tips to get a child

> to initiate going to the potty. My son is six years old. He has

> every communication opportunity via verbal and augmentative to

> express it. He doesn't do too badly on a potty schedule, but this is

> hard for me to keep up. If I forget or go just a little too long he

> has an accident. I've heard about an alarm system where there is a

> liner sewn into the underpants. When this liner gets wet, the alarm

> sounds. But I can't seem to locate one. Thanks!

>

I started potty training my daughter around 3 but it was complete until 5.

It all came down to pragmatics... I had to make it MORE difficult for her to

not stay dry and clean than to stay dry and clean.

I got her into pull ups.. which she would abandonned around the house when

they got wet! I put her in underwear and reminded her about using the

bathroom (which she COULD do at that point thru lots of observation of sibs,

other kids in day care, etc). But she found it easier to have an " accident "

and let someone else clean up. So I made her an active participant in the

clean-up process. Grumbling and whining all the way, I made her accompany me

to putting the soiled clothes in the wash, rinsing stuff in the toilet when

necessary, getting herself cleaned up, getting the paper towels ,

hand-over-hand helping me clean the rug in necessary, getting clean clothes,

putting them on. It was an incredible hassle on my part (it would have been

SOOO much easier to just take care of business!) but the point was to make it

a tremendous hassle for her as well.

By contrast I showered her with praise for taking care of business on her

own.

- Becky

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yep -

You could try a pecs schedule...

Hang it in the bathroom and let him see it.

Re: potty training

My 7 year old has only been trained for a year. Remember that autistic

children are developmentally delayed. If your child is

protesting--chances

are he is not ready. They should know how to pull pants up an down before

you attempt to potty train.

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It may be too soon.

It's very common for Autistic children to potty train late.

Penny

potty training

i'm looking for some good advice on how to ease my 2-year-old into

potty training. As of right now he has a really bad fit every time

we go near the toilet.

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In a message dated 2/22/03 1:35:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, Villpp@...

writes:

>

> I need help!! , 9 d/s is still not potty trained. We have been

> working

> with him so long, they have even had a " professional " potty trainer come

> into my home to help and still no results. They are doing it at school and

> I

> at home. He is very smart, and he signs, because he can only say mama. He

>

> dresses himself, puts his clothes away, everything else is okay. Does

> anyone

> have any ideas?? Patty

>

what did the " professional " do?

- Becky

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In a message dated 4/23/03 12:35:19 PM Central Daylight Time,

sahmsmom@... writes:

> , I probably go through more pull-ups now then I did before. doesn't

> talk yet so the communication of trying to get him to tell us he has to go

> has been difficult so I take him every hour. Is this just a stubborn thing

> with all D/S kids or can anyone reccommend anything?

do yo uput him in pullups at home?

from experience I'd say just toss the pull ups completely, get training pants

or underwear and rubber pants if necessary but pull ups don't let him feel

wet so he just continues to go, and my niece in law would tell you the same

thing since her normal daughter was doing so good using the potty and then

pullups came out and she decided to use them, she threw them out the next day

since the little one started using the pull ups like a diaper. (you can

alway toss the messy undies and even then itd be cheaper then pullups, btdt)

Joy

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Hi Kristy,

Well, I am in the same boat, so I can't give you any good

suggestions...... what has worked for my other two has not worked for

. She was 5 in January, and has been able to go through the

toileting routine independently for at least 18 months (or probably

more....... we were really encouraged at how well she would use the

potty at 3 1/2). However, for us, using the potty and being toilet

trained are two different things! will go (sometimes) when

asked (like before getting dressed in the am, before getting PJs on at

night..... routine times when everyone else is going), and will request

to go in a public place when everyone else is going ( " I need go potty

too " ....the social girl thing I guess, LOL). We have been " catching: "

her more frequently these days before she poops, as she is starting to

tell us " I sick " and grab her belly..... If she says this and we take

her to the potty and basically keep here there against her will, she

goes (I say against her will because as soon as we get to the toilet and

she needs to poop, she will start saying " I don't need to poop, I can't

poop, etc...... this is our cue that she needs to :-)

The problem we have is that could care less if she is dripping

wet or walking around with poopy pants..... it doesn't slow her down and

no amount of positive reinforcement will convince her to stop what she

is doing and use the potty. If you suggest she use the potty, or take

her there, she will refuse, cry, etc...... drives me nuts since she is

so competent when she wants to be. I have tried to schedule train her,

but she doesn't hold urine consistently very long...... when I put her

in underwear and check them every half hour, sometimes they are dry, but

often they are wet...... I can't see school taking her to the potty

every 20 minutes (or me doing that at home either..... we'd spend our

lives fighting in the bathroom).

I hope we get this before kindergarten in the fall, but am looking on

the bright side...... if she's not potty trained, it will be easier to

get a 1:1 aide :-) Good luck, and you are not alone!

, mom to (7), (5 DS), and (3)

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In a message dated 5/26/2003 9:50:51 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

tigger30@... writes:

> she

> stated that when school starts back in the fall that I need to put

> him in regular underwear. She stated that he would have accidents

> but I would have to deal with them and just have more laundry to

> do.

Nope..... she can't do that. SHE needs to deal with him being in diapers.

That's HIM at this point. With Maverick, it was when he was in kindergarten

that he started to mimic the kids going to the toilet.... we even made a

bathroom pass for at home cause he was so into that......BUT it was not an

issue.

Even in 1st grade, he started the year out in pullups (which to him were the

same as diapers, just made it easier for them to toilet him.)

The more you push the kids, the more they are going to resist and you are

going to have real issues later on. It will happen in time..... some earlier

than others....but you just stress yourself and your child out if you push it.

IMHO!

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My son was in kindy in pullups. He had a daily chart that showed him what was

coming next in his day. on the chart was also scheduled bathroom times. In

the bathroom was instructions for all kids. Close door pull pants down go to the

bathroom wipe(if needed) pull pants up open door and wash and dry hands. this

was all in drawings in the stall. Helped all the kids.

Jean

www.enchantedcelticharp.com

Celtic Harp Music

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In a message dated 5/26/03 9:50:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tigger30@... writes:

> Am I just

> holding back and being too protective and trying to be too easy on

> or should I push him to train now and have no success! His

> teacher says that if I wait it will make it much harder later but I

> am working on it. I feel that it is too soon!

>

> mother of (4-DS), Tyler (8 NDS)

>

First talk to your doctor. Since is under medical care for this there

should be no problem getting the doctor to write a letter stating what should

be done for your child MEDICALLY. Then with letter in hand go to whomever the

teacher's supervisor is and discuss what should be done about next year.

- Becky