Potty Training

March 5, 2005

Isn't it interesting how views on parenting differ? No two kids are the same and

no two parents are the same. I really don't want to argue with anyone about

potty-training because it's just not worth it!

I have my own two and have had 5 " foster " kids. 4 of those kids needed help

with toilet training when I got them. I do have to say that my views on

parenting have changed tremendously since I had kids.

Love and Hugs

Jeni

March 5, 2005

is is 22 months old and is now showing interest in

potty training.

I was fully trained by 2.5 ... some kids are ready for

it and some arent.

--- Jenifer Woody <mom2armybratz@...> wrote:

> I have to agree with you girl! I don't think I know

> anyone who has started pottytraining before 2 and

> been succesfull. I wouldn't think of trying until 2

> unless my kid requested it, and then I'd take it

> easy. Kids develop at different rates and if you

> push the issue it becomes a power struggle.

> Hugs

> Jeni

>

> Kenya Birkle <smamom2three@...> wrote:

> I disagree, 2 is not too late to start potty

> training. Yes some kids are able to really young but

> some arent. With my son we have been sitting him on

> the pot since he could sit and he still isnt potty

> trained. We have regular bathroom schedules for him

> as well. I know it does not affect every one the

> same but we actually took Aschdon to a urologist and

> they said he has a weak bladder. We dont give up but

> he doesnt even have the sensation when he has to go.

> As for normal kids my oldest (not effected) was

> potty trained by 3 and same with my other daughter

> who is uneffected. We took her too to a uro doc

> because she has problems holding it. It was shown

> she has a weak bladder as well and they said

> hopefully she will get strength as she gets older.

>

> I just dont see the point to force them to potty

> train early. Kids are ready when they are ready.

> Like the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water

> but you cant make him drink, well with kids you can

> sit them on the pot but you cant make them go!

>

> Kendra <kendranicole@...> wrote:

>

> Wow, this actually sounds really late for potty

> training to BEGIN. My

> mom started sitting us on the little kids pot as

> soon as we were able

> to sit up without support for long periods of time

> (about 9 - 10

> months old). I was potty trained by the time I was a

> year old and had

> not started walking at that point. My older sister

> (not affected) was

> potty trained by 14 months. My younger sister (not

> affected) by 10

> months. And my younger brother (not affected) by 15

> months.

>

> I would say 2 years is too late to begin. They're

> old enough to

> communicate and understand when they need to potty.

> Just keep asking

> if they have to go and keep telling them you don't

> want them to go to

> the bathroom in their diaper.

>

> -Kendra

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March 7, 2005

Chrissy,

I used the same method potty training Danny (22y/o with SMA II) as his

older sister. The only difference was that he had a wooden potty chair

that sat on the floor with arm rests, a tray in front of him, and a

high back; his sister had used a step stool and climbed onto the " big

potty " with one of those potty seats that sat on top of the regular

toilet. Both of them were about 2 to 2 1/2 at the time. The hard part

was in stores, restaurants, etc. since Danny couldn't stand to pull

down his britches. At first, I would kinda lean back and lay him over

my left shoulder to pull his pants down, then sit him (holding onto

him) on the toilet. They make a fold-up potty seat and a portable

adjustable seat for the big toilet that you can carry in a

bag/backpack with you. Once he got too tall/big for me to put over my

shoulder, I carried one of those foldable mats for the floor (like

kids use for naps in preschool) in a plastic bag inside a backpack.

Nowadays tho, there are fold-out diaper tables in most restrooms to

help with that part. Since Danny used a manual wheelchair then,

accidents might get the cushion wet so he wore the old-fashioned,

thick underwear for training with the old-fashioned, rubber pants

(like were used over cloth diapers). I wonder if they still make

those? To avoid confusing him once we started training, we only

reverted back to diapers for long road trips or places where going

potty would be impossible and I always explained the reason.

Because you'll have to help her each time, instead of just reminding

her or sending her to go potty, it will be a bit harder this time. I

remember " dropping everything " to scoop him up and rush to the potty

whenever he'd say " go pee pee, mommy! " and how we'd celebrate each

success.

Good Luck,

>

> thankyou all so much for your help on potty training. I don;t

> believe that i was quite clear on what i was asking though. I do

> have a 4 year old little girl who is not affected by sma. She was

> potty trained by the age of 1 1/2. But that is because she wanted

> to. She has older friends that pottied in the big girl potty, so

> she did to. And it was very helpful in teaching her. I am just

> curious if there are any special tricks to potty training a sma

> child?

>

> I do appreciate everyones input.

>

> thankyou so much,

> Chrissy

March 7, 2005

I only have an SMA child- so do not have any experience potty training anyone

else- but from what I have heard from friends' Brett wasn't any harder than any

other little boy. My son is a weak type 2 and is 5 years old. We started

training at 2 - 1/2 and he was completely trained by 3-1/2, it took us so long

due to not having a special potty. But he uses his Flamingo Potty Chair at home,

we have a portable that we take along with us to places & if we are going on a

long car ride or someplace where I know the bathrooms are gross- we use a

diaper.- Mainly because he is getting too long for me to try to maneuver without

having to lay him down & I don't want to deal with the germs of a gross

bathroom. Another thing we have started to do recently- just for germ issues at

doctor appointments- is if he has to go, we go in one of the rooms and I just

put a diaper on him for him to go and then take it off as soon as he is done &

pull his underwear back up- he prefers this over using the toilet in an unknown

place. But he does excellent! I think it all depends on the child and it is

something you will have to test out and see how it goes! Good luck.

Kristal

Mom to Brett- SMA II- 5 years old

" Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond to it. " ~anonymous

Visit Brett's website at: http://www.our-sma-angels.com/brett/index.htm

Potty Training

thankyou all so much for your help on potty training. I don;t

believe that i was quite clear on what i was asking though. I do

have a 4 year old little girl who is not affected by sma. She was

potty trained by the age of 1 1/2. But that is because she wanted

to. She has older friends that pottied in the big girl potty, so

she did to. And it was very helpful in teaching her. I am just

curious if there are any special tricks to potty training a sma

child?

I do appreciate everyones input.

thankyou so much,

Chrissy

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April 13, 2005

My 5 year daughter is only trained for using the toilet for wees not

for poos. She will only use a " pull-up " toilet training pants like a

nappy with elastic sides for poos. If we take the pull-ups away for a

week, she holds on until she becomes extremely constipated or she

will soil the floor or her pants. The toilet training for wees took

us ages. I can remember thinking it would never happen. We found that

she didn't like the potty or the big toilet but we found a potty that

looks like a minature toilet and she liked it. We had to take it

everywhere , even to preschool. The teachers put it in the regular

toilet block. Another child that wasn't toilet trained also liked her

little toilet and also became trained with it. We used to take her

little toilet on picnics, the beach, friends houses everywhere.

Good luck,

Kaz xxx

> My non As daughter Loved Pringles....

> so when she sat on the potty we would give her a can

> she'd relax and eat and go!!!!

>

> The boys including my AS son, we kept M & M's or other favorites in

the

> medicine cabinet......they'd only get them when they went....

>

> I never did the cheerios.....but my neighbor tried....made me laugh!

>

> If your stressed they pick up on it so #1 is to relax!!!!!

> I hate potty training, it's always stressed me.....

> with warmer weather we also did the walk around naked thing

> it helps them get it a bit better

> My AS son, would swim, feel it and run out of the pool cause we

told him if

> he peed in the pool everyone would know cause there's a purple

cloud....

> so he learned to pee on trees!

> If your daughter can hold it that long, she has control....so the

actual

> training is there...it's the letting go for her....

> she's just retentive so that she can be in control of it....

> or all those other psycho babble reasons....

> I found food rewards to be the best trick in my house!

> Also, the grown up underwear....did she pick out what she'll

wear....buy her

> favorite color underwear!!!

> good luck,

> relax!!!

May 6, 2005

Try the procedure in Foxx's book -Toilet Training Persons With Developmental Disabilities: A Rapid Program for Day and Nighttime Independent Toileting-Jannine

May 6, 2005

There are

several toilet training protocols that have been published. Foxx and Azrin

published one several years ago that is quite popular. You don’t mention

the age of your child but I’ve found that children that are older and

resistant may need someone with experience to assist you in understanding the best

way to proceed. At least by reading up on the procedures, though, might assist

you to help evaluate a consultant and their knowledge of toilet training

procedures that might be right for your child.

http://www.google.com/search?q=toilet+training

Best of luck!

Regards

Vince

From: autism

[mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of carie vercelli

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 1:20 AM

To:

autism

Subject: potty

training

I can not figure out how to

potty train my child. He is nonverbal, so he can not tell me. He

sure can take off his pants and pull-ups the second he goes though. He

does not even want pee to touch him. He is also more then happy to pull

down his pants where ever he is and go. I can not seem to transition him

to go into the toilet. I take him a lot, but it never seems to

click. The second I turn around he is naked, and has gone where ever he

feels like it, so he obviously must be able to feel that he has to go because

he is not willing to go in his pull-up. There is no reasoning with

him. There is no incentive that would work. I am not sure how I go

about having him go into the toilet. It is driving me crazy! Any

suggestions?

There cannot be a stressful crisis next

week. My schedule is already

full. Henry Kissinger

May 6, 2005

Where

can I find this book?

From: autism [mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of theiggy@...

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:45 AM

autism

Subject: Re: Potty

training

Try the

procedure in Foxx's book -Toilet Training Persons With Developmental Disabilities: A Rapid

Program for Day and Nighttime Independent Toileting

-Jannine

May 6, 2005

Hi,

The Night Trainer from Leaps N Bounds worked for my son in potty training. It's a device that goes into their diaper or underpants with a sensor. As soon as it senses moisture, an alarm begins to beep. We used this during the day and it took about a month. We always had him near a toilet (even had a portable one in the car in case we needed to pull over). We didn't go any where on the weekends. As soon as the alarm sounded, we rushed him to the toilet. If we made it in time, and anything went into the toilet, we reinforced with his favorite edibles.

Hope this is helpful.

Vicki

May 7, 2005

This should get

you started.

http://www.google.com/search?q=toilet+training%2C+foxx%2C+azrin

Regards

Vince

Winterling

Vineland, NJ

From:

autism

[mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of carie vercelli

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 10:32

AM

autism

Subject: RE: Re:

Potty training

Where

can I find this book?

From: autism [mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of theiggy@...

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:45 AM

autism

Subject: Re: Potty

training

Try the

procedure in Foxx's book -Toilet Training Persons With Developmental Disabilities: A Rapid Program

for Day and Nighttime Independent Toileting

-Jannine

June 9, 2005

Angie:

My Nick wasn't totally potty trained until he was 7 (he did master night

time dryness long before that but I kept him in a pull-up to be safe). The

February before he turned 7 I became a full-time SAHM (with a newborn & a 6

yo).

I think that was part of the turning point as the school was working on

potty-training and I was working on it at home. Before that he was in school

and

at a sitter's whose 1 bathroom was upstairs and it was easier for her to

change him than to take him up and down the stairs. He did have a few

accidents

the first few months of school but by spring was accident free.

One thing I will say, my boys (I have 3 now) tend to master BM in the toilet

long before they do peeing. Perhaps because they definitely feel that urge

more strongly than the first.

Good luck.

BTW, I'm still working on my youngest (he's 3), seems the only time he'll

tell me is if we are out or if no bathroom is in sight.

Cari

June 9, 2005

Angie:

My Nick wasn't totally potty trained until he was 7 (he did master night

time dryness long before that but I kept him in a pull-up to be safe). The

February before he turned 7 I became a full-time SAHM (with a newborn & a 6

yo).

I think that was part of the turning point as the school was working on

potty-training and I was working on it at home. Before that he was in school

and

at a sitter's whose 1 bathroom was upstairs and it was easier for her to

change him than to take him up and down the stairs. He did have a few

accidents

the first few months of school but by spring was accident free.

One thing I will say, my boys (I have 3 now) tend to master BM in the toilet

long before they do peeing. Perhaps because they definitely feel that urge

more strongly than the first.

Good luck.

BTW, I'm still working on my youngest (he's 3), seems the only time he'll

tell me is if we are out or if no bathroom is in sight.

Cari

June 9, 2005

In a message dated 6/9/2005 9:10:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

atate526@... writes:

Anything you guys see maybe that would help?

~Angie

--

was lazy about it because it was easier to just let mom clean up. So

I made HER responsible. SHe had to rinse out dirty under wear in the toilet

(hand over hand, while she complained), put dirty in the wash, clean up

herself, clean up any " accident " puddle (or worse), get clean uderwear and

clothes.

I made such a PRODUCTION of cleaning up after an accident until she gave in

and accepted it was easier to do it right in the first place!

- Becky

June 9, 2005

In a message dated 6/9/2005 9:10:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

atate526@... writes:

Anything you guys see maybe that would help?

~Angie

--

was lazy about it because it was easier to just let mom clean up. So

I made HER responsible. SHe had to rinse out dirty under wear in the toilet

(hand over hand, while she complained), put dirty in the wash, clean up

herself, clean up any " accident " puddle (or worse), get clean uderwear and

clothes.

I made such a PRODUCTION of cleaning up after an accident until she gave in

and accepted it was easier to do it right in the first place!

- Becky

June 10, 2005

In a message dated 6/9/2005 9:10:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

atate526@... writes:

..............I mean what more can I do

If someone has the answer let me in on it as we are not having much success

here either. Micah will even occasionally pull his pull up down and sit on

the potty and then get up and 5 minutes dlater pee.. I also am at my wit's

end. Someone told me to take away all his favorite things and put them where

he can see them but tell him he doesn't get them until he pees or poops o n

potty, then guive them back and start the whole process again an hour later.

Sounds pretty cruel to me but I am almost tempted to try it. I have wrapped

up presents waiting for him to open if he pee's on pot but no go...so what do

we do all you with the wisdom of the ages. PS I have potty trained 4 others,

one who was a crack baby and are also not easy to train, but this one takes

the cake!!!~

Loree

June 10, 2005