IEP question

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What is hippotherapy?

mom to Bridget 9 ds

--- asearchers <asearchers@...> wrote:

> IEP_guide/links

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> hippotherapy is also good for this too

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re: " developmental optomistrist "

Shouldn't it be an ophthalmologist?

Just wondering...

Eleanor

Re: Re: IEP Question

In a message dated 8/31/02 12:54:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

asearchers@... writes:

>

> > My daughter's OT has told me on two different occasions that Kaitlyn

> > needs to be seen by the developmental optomistrist. She thinks that

> > Kaitlyn needs vision therapy to help her move past midline. She

> switchs

> > hands depending on what side she is working. Probably a good

> point. My

> > question is this, this therapy is not free, do I call an IEP

> meeting and

> > request that this therapy be added? Will the school have to pay

> for it?

> > What language should I use when requesting this?

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> > Darcy

>

>

>

has she been seen by a binocular vision specialist? Her eyes may not be

tracking together.

We've been going to a center at University of CA Berkeley and were able to

get a big improvement on both depth perception and reading thru a good

perscription.... the regular optometrist didn't have the ability to catch

all

the nuances in her accuity.

- Becky

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re: " developmental optomistrist "

Shouldn't it be an ophthalmologist?

Just wondering...

Eleanor

Re: Re: IEP Question

In a message dated 8/31/02 12:54:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

asearchers@... writes:

>

> > My daughter's OT has told me on two different occasions that Kaitlyn

> > needs to be seen by the developmental optomistrist. She thinks that

> > Kaitlyn needs vision therapy to help her move past midline. She

> switchs

> > hands depending on what side she is working. Probably a good

> point. My

> > question is this, this therapy is not free, do I call an IEP

> meeting and

> > request that this therapy be added? Will the school have to pay

> for it?

> > What language should I use when requesting this?

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> > Darcy

>

>

>

has she been seen by a binocular vision specialist? Her eyes may not be

tracking together.

We've been going to a center at University of CA Berkeley and were able to

get a big improvement on both depth perception and reading thru a good

perscription.... the regular optometrist didn't have the ability to catch

all

the nuances in her accuity.

- Becky

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Unfortunatley my expeience has been that

ophthalmologist are unwillin gto do this and

optometrist that do are few and far between. It is

like OT, PT, and ST. It takes awhile to get results

and sometimes motivating the child to participate is

hard and demanding. My dad is an optometrist. He did

this on a limited basis. He told me to strt with a

baloon and have Bridget throw it up and thentry to

catch it. THe balloon takes longer to come down than

a ball so it helps develop eye hand coordination.

Bridget wants to throw the balloon away (to me) rather

than up. We have a long way to go. THe PT did a

balloon paddle game where you bat a balloon back and

forth with foam paddles. Looked like fun.

--- Jim & Eleanor Green <JimandEleanor@...> wrote:

> re: " developmental optomistrist "

>

> Shouldn't it be an ophthalmologist?

>

> Just wondering...

>

> Eleanor

> Re: Re: IEP Question

>

>

> In a message dated 8/31/02 12:54:47 PM Pacific

> Daylight Time,

> asearchers@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > > My daughter's OT has told me on two different

> occasions that Kaitlyn

> > > needs to be seen by the developmental

> optomistrist. She thinks that

> > > Kaitlyn needs vision therapy to help her move

> past midline. She

> > switchs

> > > hands depending on what side she is working.

> Probably a good

> > point. My

> > > question is this, this therapy is not free, do I

> call an IEP

> > meeting and

> > > request that this therapy be added? Will the

> school have to pay

> > for it?

> > > What language should I use when requesting this?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help.

> > > Darcy

> >

> >

> >

>

> has she been seen by a binocular vision specialist?

> Her eyes may not be

> tracking together.

>

> We've been going to a center at University of CA

> Berkeley and were able to

> get a big improvement on both depth perception and

> reading thru a good

> perscription.... the regular optometrist didn't have

> the ability to catch

> all

> the nuances in her accuity.

>

> - Becky

>

>

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> removed]

>

>

>

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In a message dated 10/15/02 7:39:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, seads1@...

writes:

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> Nature

>

> HI: If a child has speech services written in the IEP, say 30 min/ week

> for 36 weeks; then the speech path. quits, the school is then not in

> compliance with the IEP until such time that they continue to provide

> services, correct? It is not ok for a school to say, sorry she quit, we

> are trying to hire someone. Don't they have to provide a substitute or

> outside speech? Our school has been 9 weeks now without a speech services.

> This does not seem right.

>

> Darcy, Mom to two with speech in the IEP.

>

you got it! They can contract someone to fill in temporarily. It's more

expensive, but it's your child's right.

Call your state Special Ed office and complain.

To find your state director of Special Ed check out this site:

http://www.ed.gov/Programs/bastmp/SDSE.htm

- Becky

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They have to contract outside services or plan to make up missed

services (too much already for that option).

Yes, they are out of compliance and you could file a state complaint on

it for failure to implement IEP and provide services.

IEP question

Nature

HI: If a child has speech services written in the IEP, say 30 min/

week for 36 weeks; then the speech path. quits, the school is then not

in compliance with the IEP until such time that they continue to provide

services, correct? It is not ok for a school to say, sorry she quit,

we are trying to hire someone. Don't they have to provide a substitute

or outside speech? Our school has been 9 weeks now without a speech

services. This does not seem right.

Darcy, Mom to two with speech in the IEP.

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Polly,

Hi. did not have a one to one until recently, but in order for her to

function well in inclusion, she needed one. If you are planning on regular

ed, an aide would only be an assest for your son- she can keep him on track and

focus him and go with him for other services, if you are worried about that.

If they are planning on LRE, then an aide would be highly recommended.

~ Mom to 12 DS and Diabetes Type 1 and 8 NY

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I have another question, do most children have a one on one aide? Our state

special education dept. strongly suggested that Grayson not have one due to the

fact he would become to dependent on the aide. What are some thoughts on this?

Polly

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Children can become dependent on the aide, but it is all in how the aide is

used. If the aide is an aide to the class and helps all, but is for Grayson in

particular instances, like transitioning to other areas of the school for lunch,

PE, music, etc... he would not become dependent. In your previous post, I would

say I want the aide to go with him to reading so the aide can work with him just

as the reading specialist does. In Kindy reading is usually a center choice

also. So you can be very specific in what the aide will do and what the teacher

will do.

The problem we had was the aide became too attached to Bridget because she was

so cute. She did way to much for her and Bridget is no dummy, she let her of

course.

Good luck!

mom to Bridget 10

Re: IEP question

I have another question, do most children have a one on one aide? Our state

special education dept. strongly suggested that Grayson not have one due to the

fact he would become to dependent on the aide. What are some thoughts on this?

Polly

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Kaitlyn has always had a one on one aide. The aid also helps other kids in

the room when Kaitlyn does not need assistance. But I have found that our

school is so bad at knowing what inclusion is that if she did not have an aide

modifications would not happen. Kaitlyn has not become dependent on the aid at

all. She has had the same aide now for 2 years and I hope she has the same aid

next year as well. I think schools use the dependancy argument when they do not

want to provide an aide. Good luck to you.

Darcy

From: Polly Green

Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:36 AM

Subject: Re: IEP question

I have another question, do most children have a one on one aide? Our state

special education dept. strongly suggested that Grayson not have one due to the

fact he would become to dependent on the aide. What are some thoughts on this?

Polly

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In a message dated 5/24/2003 8:22:29 AM Central Standard Time,

linman42@... writes:

> Polly,

> Hi. did not have a one to one until recently, but in order for her

> to

> function well in inclusion, she needed one. If you are planning on regular

> ed, an aide would only be an assest for your son- she can keep him on track

> and

> focus him and go with him for other services, if you are worried about that.

>

> If they are planning on LRE, then an aide would be highly recommended.

>

> ~ Mom to 12 DS and Diabetes Type 1 and 8 NY

Hi

I totally agree with , in order for Sara to have access to the

curriculum, a paraprofessional is needed. Sara has one for all reg ed, the

Para's take

data, modify the curriculum, teach and set up social interaction. I have seen

another child go into reg ed without one and the child was lost, the teacher

had no idea what to do and the Mom just told me she doesn't know what her

daughter is learning in reg ed .............. I felt she was blaming the reg ed

teacher and I stopped her immediately, I told her to look into getting a

paraprofessional for her daughter. Sara is not dependent on her aide, only in

respect

to the curriculum being modified. The aide backs off often on Sara's request.

During social time like recess she's off to the side watching body movements,

gestures etc ........... she's awesome at foreseeing trouble. This woman has

also become an asset for Sara in advocating, and she's focussed on Sara

learning. I would like to think if Sara's school was more versed in Inclusion

one

wouldn't be needed but as it is a paraprofessional is needed

I know a county in Nashville where its rare for a child to have an aide, this

county also has a sped director who is focussed on lots of training for reg

ed teachers.

Kathy mom to Sara 11

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In a message dated 5/24/2003 6:47:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> I totally agree with , in order for Sara to have access to the

> curriculum, a paraprofessional is needed

Ditto on Mav's part. There is no way he or the reg ed teacher could give him

or the rest of the class the education that he needs and deserves without the

support of an inclusion aide.

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Wow!

Kathy and agreeing with me? Must be something in all this rain!! LOL

LOL LOL

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In a message dated 5/24/2003 8:43:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Linman42

writes:

> Kathy and agreeing with me?

Oh oh......that one snuck up on me.... I guess I need to FOCUS more and

protect my REPUTATION!!! LOL.

Oh well......hang on to this one ..who knows when it will happen again!

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In a message dated 5/24/2003 10:15:36 PM Central Standard Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> > Kathy and agreeing with me?

>

> Oh oh......that one snuck up on me.... I guess I need to FOCUS more and

> protect my REPUTATION!!! LOL.

> Oh well......hang on to this one ..who knows when it will happen again!

>

ROTFLOL could it be I had tooooooo much sun today ????????????

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ................ water was to cold today , so I

relaxed on the lawn chair

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will start kindergarten in the fall, fully included with a 1:1

aide. The aide will work with other children in the classroom, but is

primarily there to keep on task, aid with transitions,

toileting, behavior, etc. She will also attend the pullouts for speech

(as per SLP) so that she can continue implementing in the classroom and

modeling for the teachers. She will be present for OT (which will be in

the classroom) for the same reasons. will not be pulled for

resource in kinder, but the resource teacher will work with the aide and

classroom teacher to modify curriculum and help Elizaabeth as needed.

Everyone on our team believes that for to be successful fully

included, she needs this support. I would not have it any other way.

She has had a 1:1 in her typical preschool for the past two years, and

is not dependent on her any more than any teacher she has.

I would insist on an aide, then make sure it's in the IEP that the aide

attend the pullouts so that she can be trained on how to continue

(whatever it is..... reading, speech, OT, etc.) the rest of the

time...... after all, she will be there to aid your child and what

better training on how to do it then to observe/participate in

pullouts. Plus, he doesn't have to be alone with the crabby reading

teacher :-)

, mom to (7), (5 DS), and (3)

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In a message dated 5/25/03 12:41:18 AM, b4alltoday@... writes:

<< ROTFLOL could it be I had tooooooo much sun today ???????????? >>

Is there still sun??????

~ very cold, gray, wet NYC

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In a message dated 5/25/2003 7:00:38 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Linman42

writes:

> Is there still sun

Oh YEAH! There is sun and it's making our temps 100 PLUS here in Marana!

Vacation HOT SPOT if anyone is heading this way! LOL.

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" Nic will

have a potty routine "

For it to be a goal, it would need to indicate what is is <Nic> will do by

the end of the IEP year (or sooner), what circumstances he will do it under

and where, how well he will do it to master the goal and how they will

assess his progress, and probably who will teach him with what specialized

instruction/supports to do it--although the teachers may say that it needs

to be flexible so no specifics should lock them down in the IEP.

For example: Nic will attain daytime toileting competence with no more than

1 accident per 2 week time period as charted through use of a daily potty

routine using a picture schedule and hourly visits to the bathroom

implemented across settings.

Reward system is pretty swooshy--asking for some coordination through the

IEP isn't unreasonable (so they probably will refuse ; )). If all else

fails, you can include a parent attachment with some of the things that you

have seen work, things that don't, maybe when and how you reward at home so

teachers have some idea of what might be effective--no BIP?.

Judi HL

IEP question

In Nic's IEP it states in the Special Instruction section that " Nic will

have a potty routine " . That's it, no detail as to what the routine is, etc.

Can this be added in the goals section so it can be written in more detail?

Same with " positive reward system " , No detail so I'm not even sure what type

of reward he gets.

suggestions? School starts Monday...YEA!

Di

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wow, that sounds good. I'd also like to add that they put him in underwear

upon arrival to school and change him back to pull-ups before he gets on the

bus. Is that unreasonable? That's how it was being done last year but it was

just something the teacher and I agreed on and not in writing.

What is BIP?

Di

IEP question

In Nic's IEP it states in the Special Instruction section that " Nic will

have a potty routine " . That's it, no detail as to what the routine is, etc.

Can this be added in the goals section so it can be written in more detail?

Same with " positive reward system " , No detail so I'm not even sure what type

of reward he gets.

suggestions? School starts Monday...YEA!

Di

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In 30 weeks, while at school, will appropriately and independently use the

toilet when necessary for a period of at least three weeks.

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How old is Nic now? It might be appropriate to add that he change/ begin to

change himself into and out of his underwear (with supervision and

assistance). Could be one of his dressing skills objectives with putting on

coat and gloves type objectives?

You'd maybe need to include that he will wear the underwear during the

school day in the goal and add assistance in changing to the supports page.

Judi HL

Re: IEP question

wow, that sounds good. I'd also like to add that they put him in underwear

upon arrival to school and change him back to pull-ups before he gets on the

bus. Is that unreasonable? That's how it was being done last year but it was

just something the teacher and I agreed on and not in writing.

What is BIP?

Di

IEP question

In Nic's IEP it states in the Special Instruction section that " Nic will

have a potty routine " . That's it, no detail as to what the routine is, etc.

Can this be added in the goals section so it can be written in more detail?

Same with " positive reward system " , No detail so I'm not even sure what type

of reward he gets.

suggestions? School starts Monday...YEA!

Di

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With , training only happened when he was in regular undies. On the bus,

he needed pull-ups because the trip was long and he couldn't always hold things

that long.

Elaine

IEP question

In Nic's IEP it states in the Special Instruction section that " Nic will

have a potty routine " . That's it, no detail as to what the routine is, etc.

Can this be added in the goals section so it can be written in more detail?

Same with " positive reward system " , No detail so I'm not even sure what type

of reward he gets.

suggestions? School starts Monday...YEA!

Di

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OOO that's good too, why can't I think of these things, you'd think by now

I'd be good at this...

BTW he'll be 7 in March.

Di

RE: IEP question

How old is Nic now? It might be appropriate to add that he change/ begin to

change himself into and out of his underwear (with supervision and

assistance). Could be one of his dressing skills objectives with putting on

coat and gloves type objectives?

You'd maybe need to include that he will wear the underwear during the

school day in the goal and add assistance in changing to the supports page.

Judi HL

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In a message dated 8/18/2003 6:50:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

drf218@... writes:

> ? School starts Monday...YEA!

>

So soon? I thought you were in Pa. School doesn't start here in NYC until

9/8!

Kathy, Liam's mom( 5)