IEP question

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Are there some reading, speech, math goals that could be implemented in

those classes to both practice the goals and better access the gen ed

curric?

Judi

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Kelli

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:02 PM

Subject: IEP question

Hello Group,

We are preparing for Austins IEP. I met with the special Ed. Teacher

yesterday. In the past he has had Math, Reading, Communication goals, and a

few others.

Next year there will be Science and I think Social Studies for 4th grade. I

asked if we needed to develop goals specifically for those subjects and she

said no, because under the supplementary aids/services:modifications and

accommodations we have modified Curriculum listed, is that all that is

needed?

Thank you for your input,

Kelli mom to Austin 11 yr DS and 28 mo.

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Nichole,

It depends on your state & local

school boards.  We moved from land to Georgia to get

school district that has a program just for Aspergers.  My sons IEP is completely

behavior based expect for handwriting – he is allowed to use a Alpha

Smart (like a keyboard instead of writing assignments and notes) he is more

than one year behind on handwriting.

My son is currently out in all regular

classes 6 of them, with a Para pro in his academic classes ( he takes band and

art with out the Para pro)

Some of the things we came up with was

when he would get frustrated he needed to leave the class, he was given some

laminated index cards that had options like call home, go to quite room, go to

vice principles office, etc…  and he is allowed to carry these cards and

if he needs to just put one on his desk and he can go to that choice.  He has a

small box of legos in the vice principles office and if he can not sit in there

she has a small waiting area he is allowed to be in.  Legos help calm and

distract him.  The best part is that last year he only used these cards a few

times and not once yet this year.

He has goals in the IEP like appropriate tone

with pears and adults for 3 out of 5 times. And things like that. 

Call the local school board and ask if

they recognize autism as “special needs” if they do they should

recognize Aspergers.  Does your son have a history of behavior issues? You can

use the history to prove his needs. 

Lastly consult a local advocate, we needed

one after a particular bad incident and the school was trying to send him to

the juvenile delinquent type school and we were able to keep him where he was

with some needed changes (like the cards and other things)

If your son is in regular classes they

probably wont adjust the homework,  we have a “communication”

folder that goes back and forth daily his Para pro writes what’s going on

and home work assignments and this gives us a heads up when he is getting more pressure

or has not worked well in a group or has made friends etc..

My son is in 7th grade and is

also very bright and straight A’s last year with exception of one B, and

so far this year all A’s.  Now he is not in any gifted classes, but we

are more pleased with his social skills being brought, he is not really challenged

academically – we have home schooled in the past to his academic level

but then he had no reserve to work on social skills so right now we are pleased

that he is getting along and handling things much better with out raging, or

leaving rooms, or getting frustrated like he used to.

Hth

Greta

From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of nichole markle

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007

8:05 PM

Autism and Aspergers Treatment

Subject: IEP

QUESTION

My 10 yo son was diagnosed with ADHD, Aspergers, and depressive

disorder over the summer, and I was told by his psychiatrist that I should ask

his counselor for an IEP.

When I went to the school and spoke with his counselor, she said we do

not qualify for one.

He is very smart,a nd entering the 5th grade. They have him in GT and

regular classes. His very high IQ drops when he has a time constraint, and his

hand writing is a grade behind. He tests up to 12th grade in some subjects, and

is only behind in handwriting.

The psychiatrist said he needs assisstance in social situations, is

behind in caring for himself, and has a learning disability due to his ADHD and

handwriting issues. She also suggested that he would benefit from extra time or

modified assignments, and frequent communication with home.

the counselor said that handwriting difficulties is not a disability,

and she would try to help him with social skills, but we would not get an IEP

or 504 plan.

Has any one else been in this situation? Can I get an IEP? How can I

make sure he doesnt fall behind because of his ADHD and handwriting issues?

Thanks, nichole

 

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That counselor should have suggested doing evaluations.

The schools have a legal obligation to identify students

who might be in need of special services and are supose

to offer to do evaluations. It sounds like this counselor

didn't do that.

That counselor, no matter how nice and polite and sweet,

misguided you. I sure hope it was do to ignorance and

not on purpose.

I'd be skeptical of future dealings with that one.

Tim

>

> My 10 yo son was diagnosed with ADHD, Aspergers, and depressive

disorder over the summer, and I was told by his psychiatrist that I

should ask his counselor for an IEP.

> When I went to the school and spoke with his counselor, she said

we do not qualify for one.

> He is very smart,a nd entering the 5th grade. They have him in GT

and regular classes. His very high IQ drops when he has a time

constraint, and his hand writing is a grade behind. He tests up to

12th grade in some subjects, and is only behind in handwriting.

> The psychiatrist said he needs assisstance in social situations,

is behind in caring for himself, and has a learning disability due to

his ADHD and handwriting issues. She also suggested that he would

benefit from extra time or modified assignments, and frequent

communication with home.

> the counselor said that handwriting difficulties is not a

disability, and she would try to help him with social skills, but we

would not get an IEP or 504 plan.

> Has any one else been in this situation? Can I get an IEP? How

can I make sure he doesnt fall behind because of his ADHD and

handwriting issues?

> Thanks, nichole

>

>

>

>

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That counselor should have suggested doing evaluations.

The schools have a legal obligation to identify students

who might be in need of special services and are supose

to offer to do evaluations. It sounds like this counselor

didn't do that.

That counselor, no matter how nice and polite and sweet,

misguided you. I sure hope it was do to ignorance and

not on purpose.

I'd be skeptical of future dealings with that one.

Tim

>

> My 10 yo son was diagnosed with ADHD, Aspergers, and depressive

disorder over the summer, and I was told by his psychiatrist that I

should ask his counselor for an IEP.

> When I went to the school and spoke with his counselor, she said

we do not qualify for one.

> He is very smart,a nd entering the 5th grade. They have him in GT

and regular classes. His very high IQ drops when he has a time

constraint, and his hand writing is a grade behind. He tests up to

12th grade in some subjects, and is only behind in handwriting.

> The psychiatrist said he needs assisstance in social situations,

is behind in caring for himself, and has a learning disability due to

his ADHD and handwriting issues. She also suggested that he would

benefit from extra time or modified assignments, and frequent

communication with home.

> the counselor said that handwriting difficulties is not a

disability, and she would try to help him with social skills, but we

would not get an IEP or 504 plan.

> Has any one else been in this situation? Can I get an IEP? How

can I make sure he doesnt fall behind because of his ADHD and

handwriting issues?

> Thanks, nichole

>

>

>

>

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Check the law! Most states allow justification of an IEP solely based on the diagnosis. Request an IEP meeting...they can't turn you down (form what I have been told). Go to wrightslaw.com and print out the law so you can hand it to them and they can't argue with you. Regardless of what the school district's evaluations says (which they haven;t even done yet, so I don't understand how the counselor can say that he doesn't qualify for an IEP WITHOUT EVEN TESTING HIM YET!!!). First of all, they need to test him. Second of all, you don't even need that test, since you have a diagnosis. You need to go in with more information than they have. Don't take "no" for an answer when you know that they are wrong! They tested my daughter and said she was fine because her IQ was so high. I got a diagnosis in writing and now they can't argue with me. Knowledge is the key and proof in writing is what you need

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Elissa

IEP QUESTION

My 10 yo son was diagnosed with ADHD, Aspergers, and depressive disorder over the summer, and I was told by his psychiatrist that I should ask his counselor for an IEP.

When I went to the school and spoke with his counselor, she said we do not qualify for one.

He is very smart,a nd entering the 5th grade. They have him in GT and regular classes. His very high IQ drops when he has a time constraint, and his hand writing is a grade behind. He tests up to 12th grade in some subjects, and is only behind in handwriting.

The psychiatrist said he needs assisstance in social situations, is behind in caring for himself, and has a learning disability due to his ADHD and handwriting issues. She also suggested that he would benefit from extra time or modified assignments, and frequent communication with home.

the counselor said that handwriting difficulties is not a disability, and she would try to help him with social skills, but we would not get an IEP or 504 plan.

Has any one else been in this situation? Can I get an IEP? How can I make sure he doesnt fall behind because of his ADHD and handwriting issues?

Thanks, nichole

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I would contact the district and even have your dr

give you a letter to take to the school requesting you

for your child.

Sometimes they need a push to make them do things they

don't normally do for kids. An IEP is essential for AS

and ADD/ADHD kids.

Kernan

[Guest guest]

There are advantages and disadvantages to the IEP situation, and it

is really up to you whether or not to pursue it. This is always a

personal decision.

What the teacher is saying about your child is pointing to a positive

situation in the school. Your child does not appear to need an IEP

at this time.

The psychiatrist may have some generic points to make about autism,

but perhaps these do not apply to your child at this time.

Yes, increasing the time frame and giving additional guidance is

typical for spectrum children. However, it is preferable to train

children to work within time limits for a particular task. (This is

a skill that is important for success in adulthood. If, as adults,

we do not work within a particular time frame, then it will be quite

difficult to hold a job.)

If you child is doing well is school, and you are keeping track of

the situation, then it appears that your current situation is better

than it may be with an IEP (unless you are making sure that you

approve of each and every goal, and that each goal is specifically

created for your particular child and not some generic statement).

Schools do not always provide much feedback for parents. If you are

lucky, you may find a teacher who is willing to provide quick email

updates.

Self-care and other skills are behaviors which may be approached with

charting by an older child. You may have your child create and

complete his own behavioral charts.

>

> My 10 yo son was diagnosed with ADHD, Aspergers, and depressive

disorder over the summer, and I was told by his psychiatrist that I

should ask his counselor for an IEP.

> When I went to the school and spoke with his counselor, she said

we do not qualify for one.

> He is very smart,a nd entering the 5th grade. They have him in GT

and regular classes. His very high IQ drops when he has a time

constraint, and his hand writing is a grade behind. He tests up to

12th grade in some subjects, and is only behind in handwriting.

> The psychiatrist said he needs assisstance in social situations,

is behind in caring for himself, and has a learning disability due to

his ADHD and handwriting issues. She also suggested that he would

benefit from extra time or modified assignments, and frequent

communication with home.

> the counselor said that handwriting difficulties is not a

disability, and she would try to help him with social skills, but we

would not get an IEP or 504 plan.

> Has any one else been in this situation? Can I get an IEP? How

can I make sure he doesnt fall behind because of his ADHD and

handwriting issues?

> Thanks, nichole

>

>

>

>

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YES YOU DO QUALIFY! My sons school tried this with him too. Aspergers is definitely a disability and they have to make modifications where needed.(to include social sitiuations too not just schoolwork) My son could not tolerate being in the regular classroom so he is now in the resource room most of the day. ( I should also add that his grades are also perfect and he is advanced in some areas like reading) If he has trouble in things like handwriting they should even provide ocupational therepy to help him,but you may have to get a Dr. to write a script for that. I would ask them to do further testing like CARS test which is an autism rating scale. That is what finally got my sons school to work with us. Also know that some times you have to fight them through the state to get them to do anything.My son also got extended time for work and tests, a visual schedule, a manditory seatbelt on the bus, and he does not have to attend music class because the noise really

hurts his ears. They have some other kind of form they can do to called a 504? I think, when they feel that they need behavioral support but not necessarily educational modifications. I would definitely look into the laws in your state because they don't seem to want to be helpful.Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs that it may benefit those who listen. Ephesians 4:29

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I would also get an advocate to help you get the school to provide for ur kid like the law states they are to be doing.do you have an intermediate unit or a casemanagement place where you can get your son the help he needs.

THE SCHOOL HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY HE DOESNT QUALIFY FOR IT ! ASPERGERS AND SOON ADHD ARE PART OF THE AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER.

so like Elissa says go to that site print out the law and put it in their face.some schools you just have to FIGHT ,FIGHT,FIGHT for your kids.

good luck

vickie

IEP QUESTION

My 10 yo son was diagnosed with ADHD, Aspergers, and depressive disorder over the summer, and I was told by his psychiatrist that I should ask his counselor for an IEP.

When I went to the school and spoke with his counselor, she said we do not qualify for one.

He is very smart,a nd entering the 5th grade. They have him in GT and regular classes. His very high IQ drops when he has a time constraint, and his hand writing is a grade behind. He tests up to 12th grade in some subjects, and is only behind in handwriting.

The psychiatrist said he needs assisstance in social situations, is behind in caring for himself, and has a learning disability due to his ADHD and handwriting issues. She also suggested that he would benefit from extra time or modified assignments, and frequent communication with home.

the counselor said that handwriting difficulties is not a disability, and she would try to help him with social skills, but we would not get an IEP or 504 plan.

Has any one else been in this situation? Can I get an IEP? How can I make sure he doesnt fall behind because of his ADHD and handwriting issues?

Thanks, nichole

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,

My understanding is that you can leave the IEP in place in the event that you

need services in the future. It is much more difficult to get things put into

place for many in the highschool age group. Right now, Jaye is not using

any services but we kept her IEP in place even though the school suggested we

drop it. They can not make us give it up. I chose to keep it because I never

know when she will have a rough period. When it comes to tests and such they

will have to give her extra time if needed. Some consider changing to a 504 plan

and you might look into it, but for us the IEP has more accomodations available.

Veri & Jaye 15 poly

IEP Question

Hi Everyone,

My son's IEP is up for re-evaluation this spring. His IEP has all kinds of

accommodations in place for the classroom as well as PT, OT and learning center

time. A few years ago when he was really sick, he needed all the support.

Thankfully he is doing much better and he does not utilize any of them. I think

his re-evaluation will show that he no longer needs these services. But I want

to keep them in place in case he flares, or has some complication, or who knows

what could happen. Can one set up an IEP that will be activated in case he needs

it? Thanks. (and Ezra, 13 yrs old and looking forward to entering high

school next year!)

[Guest guest]

Thanks. Now that I know other kids have IEPs in place " just in case " , I'll

discuss it with the people in our school system.

From: veristroud@... <veristroud@...>

Subject: Re: IEP Question

Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:35 PM

 

,

My understanding is that you can leave the IEP in place in the event that you

need services in the future. It is much more difficult to get things put into

place for many in the highschool age group. Right now, Jaye is not using

any services but we kept her IEP in place even though the school suggested we

drop it. They can not make us give it up. I chose to keep it because I never

know when she will have a rough period. When it comes to tests and such they

will have to give her extra time if needed. Some consider changing to a 504 plan

and you might look into it, but for us the IEP has more accomodations available.

Veri & Jaye 15 poly

IEP Question

Hi Everyone,

My son's IEP is up for re-evaluation this spring. His IEP has all kinds of

accommodations in place for the classroom as well as PT, OT and learning center

time. A few years ago when he was really sick, he needed all the support.

Thankfully he is doing much better and he does not utilize any of them. I think

his re-evaluation will show that he no longer needs these services. But I want

to keep them in place in case he flares, or has some complication, or who knows

what could happen. Can one set up an IEP that will be activated in case he needs

it? Thanks. (and Ezra, 13 yrs old and looking forward to entering high

school next year!)

[Guest guest]

I must repeat these words. Your Child is currently not in flare though your

child was sicker earlier WIth Jra you never know when your child will be flare.

I hope you use the words Currently not in flare. DO not Use the word remission.

This will backfire on you. I hope this helps. Terri B

From:

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 6:28 PM

Subject: IEP Question

Hi Everyone,

My son's IEP is up for re-evaluation this spring. His IEP has all kinds of

accommodations in place for the classroom as well as PT, OT and learning center

time. A few years ago when he was really sick, he needed all the support.

Thankfully he is doing much better and he does not utilize any of them. I think

his re-evaluation will show that he no longer needs these services. But I want

to keep them in place in case he flares, or has some complication, or who knows

what could happen. Can one set up an IEP that will be activated in case he needs

it? Thanks. (and Ezra, 13 yrs old and looking forward to entering high

school next year!)

[Guest guest]

This is exactly how Hannah's 504 is set up.  She uses her accommodations on an

as needed basis.

 

Beth & Hannah, 13, OA, HMJS, asthma; vitamin d deficiency, allergies

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From: <lisa_michael@...>

Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:28:37 PM

Subject: IEP Question

 

Hi Everyone,

My son's IEP is up for re-evaluation this spring. His IEP has all kinds of

accommodations in place for the classroom as well as PT, OT and learning center

time. A few years ago when he was really sick, he needed all the support.

Thankfully he is doing much better and he does not utilize any of them. I think

his re-evaluation will show that he no longer needs these services. But I want

to keep them in place in case he flares, or has some complication, or who knows

what could happen. Can one set up an IEP that will be activated in case he needs

it? Thanks. (and Ezra, 13 yrs old and looking forward to entering high

school next year!) 

[Guest guest]

You have to make them write this in the IEP.  If they refuse tell them you want

to table the meeting until you bring an advocate with you to go over the entire

IEP with you.  It seems that if they would refuse such a reasonable request you

have reason to beleive that there are other things your daughter is entitled to

that they are not providing her with.  Then after the IEP meeting write a

letter documenting everything and your simple request for this to be included

and that it was denied, and send a copy to your SPED head, super of schools and

board of education.  I would bet my bottom dollar you will get a phone call. 

f not proceed with advocate.  It is the only way to fhange this pattern.  They

have to know you mean business then things will begin to change.,  Call your

local ARD and see if they can recommend an advocate.

 

Loree

IEP question

  Every year for the past several years, I have expressed my concern that

we are not notified, or notified enough in advance, of having

a test. We have a communication log, so even before middle school when

class calendars are posted, there is no reason for us not to know she's

having a test. Every year, I bring this up and ask for it to be written

in the IEP that " parents to be given x days notification of upcoming

test or quiz, and be provided with material that needs to

study. " I have tried 5 days, tried 3 days, they always say " Oh, we will

do that for you, but we can't put it in her IEP. " And, generally they

begin the year trying, and as they year goes on, slack off. We have

asked not for them to make a study guide for her, but at least let us

know the topics (or if it's vocabulary words, the words) that she is

responsible for, as it's difficult for her to memorize an entire chapter

for social studies or science. Teachers are usually pretty good about

this as well.

What the problem is, I have no recourse if it doens't happen, and I

dont' see anything getting better unless it's a " have to " versus

" should " do it thing. was absent Monday, so when she returned

on Tuesday, she was given a 1/2 sheet (same as the other children,

except it was passed out on Monday) with " you need to know these things

for the test on Wednesday. " So, she had one day to study for a chapter

test, and I had to take the material that was given and create a study

guide for her... and she gets home from school at 3:30 and goes to bed

at 8:30.... not a lot of time, AND she had Challenger BBall that night,

which she really looks forward to! Now, mind you, we were off on our

Feb break the entire week prior, and could have reviewed and studied a

little bit every day, had I know of an upcoming test. Instead, I had to

drop everything Tuesday afternoon/evening and try and get her prepared

for the test. I emailed the teacher, reminding her of her promise to

give us advance notification/study materials, and she replied " sorry, I

don't always know when the test is going to be " . She offered to let her

take it the next day if we needed another day, but I had also got a note

that Tuesday that she had a science vocabulary quiz on Thursday, so if

we delayed Social Studies, she's then have to do both tests on the same

day.... easier not to do that if possible. Especially as she gets more

classes, we will have to juggle her studying schedule even more... IT IS

NOT UNREASONABLE FOR THE TEACHER TO KNOW 3 OR 4 DAYS AHEAD OF TIME THAT

THEY ARE GIVING A TEST!!!!

So, how do I get this written so that it's a binding thing, that we MUST

be given advance notice of a test, and maybe even consequences if they

don't do it? I have to stress that we expect that if

participates in regular ed, she will also be assessed. Sometimes this

is the regular test, other times it's a modified test, but in any case,

she's taking the test with her class, and she needs a little more time

to prepare.... she has other classes and HW to do as well, and we can't

just stop our entire family's life when she has a test next day.

TIA for your suggestions.

, mom to (14), (12 DS), and Sammy (10)

[Guest guest]

When Maverick was younger and we had a problem with them not letting us know

what was going in class, we discussed it at or team meetings. One of the

problems that we were having was that they would just not let him participate

because they didn't know how to modify. So, we had it set up that the teacher

,who is supposed to have her weeks lesson plan written by the Friday before,

would make a copy of it for the aide and for us. That gave us notice on what

they were doing. They sometimes had other things come up and it wasn't EXACT,

but it was close enough and a big improvement in what he was able to do with the

class.

You need to put it to them.. have your IEP meeting, and say.. " This is my

problem..... " And ask them.. " How do you propose that we get this taken care

of? " " How can we make sure that has a chance to be successful here? "

Teach them to think outside the box.

I am willing to bet that if the principal, sup. and school board know that this

teacher is so unorganized that she can't let you know ahead of time that there

is going to be a test, they might want her to make more detailed lesson plans

for them to help monitor that.

[Guest guest]

I honestly cannot get them to agree to meet with me in any kind of a regular

fashion. I wish I could met like you have. How wonderful.

On 2/26/10 5:39 PM, " and FRANK " <michdock@...> wrote:

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> When Maverick was younger and we had a problem with them not letting us know

> what was going in class, we discussed it at or team meetings. One of the

> problems that we were having was that they would just not let him participate

> because they didn't know how to modify. So, we had it set up that the teacher

> ,who is supposed to have her weeks lesson plan written by the Friday before,

> would make a copy of it for the aide and for us. That gave us notice on what

> they were doing. They sometimes had other things come up and it wasn't EXACT,

> but it was close enough and a big improvement in what he was able to do with

> the class.

> You need to put it to them.. have your IEP meeting, and say.. " This is my

> problem..... " And ask them.. " How do you propose that we get this taken care

> of? " " How can we make sure that has a chance to be successful

> here? " Teach them to think outside the box.

> I am willing to bet that if the principal, sup. and school board know that

> this teacher is so unorganized that she can't let you know ahead of time that

> there is going to be a test, they might want her to make more detailed lesson

> plans for them to help monitor that.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

an appropriate reeval. is required for a change of placement, with an iee if the

parent disagrees with the reeval.

IEP_guide/links

>

> Hi all,

> Do others of you run into issues where a child has been placed out of district

because it's the most appropriate school, the child makes lots of progress

because it's an appropriate placement, and then the home school district wants

to move the child back to the local school because they say they think the child

can make progress there. They appear to be saying that any progress is

considered sufficient and that the child having the potential to reach his or

her maximum potential in the more appropriate school is irrelevant? How have

you all handled this? The family had to fight to get the appropriate school

and now the local district may try to take it away. In this case, at this time,

homeschooling is not an option though there is a lot of teaching occurring in

the home.

> TIA,

> S S

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[Guest guest]

Once you sign the IEP and then decide to use the Austim Schloarship for private

schooling outside of the district, do you have to go back to the district every

year for a IEP to utilize the Schloarship funds for the next year?