Intro and Question

May 23, 1999

Missouri may be a tough place to find a Lyme literate doctor, but don't stop

looking. For Burrascano's info, check out the website of the Lyme Alliance,

Inc. at http://www.lymealliance.org. Another place is check is the lyme

Borrelia Outreach Foundation. E-mail address is: Borrelia s. America on

Lyme has a message board you could ask other Lymies from Missouri (if there

are any) for names of doctors. Just a few additional suggestions. Hope they

help.

May 23, 1999

It seems that I remember hearing about a great LLMD in the Springfield, MO

area a few years ago. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name. Sorry!

But it might be worthwhile to check the Springfield phone book or call the

Springfield Chamber of Commerce and see if they know anything.

Good luck!

Ann

May 23, 1999

janet....

dr b's treatment protocol is considered the gold standard as of now.......u

can get it off of the ldf web site.www.lyme.org.

they can also help u to find a lyme literate doctor and a support group in ur

area........for a doc i think they charge a $5 fee........u may also want to

try 1-800-tickbite they may be helpfull with a doc ......maybe even someone

on our list can be of help........once again weklcome.......keep those ????

coming as needed thats one of the reasons we are here....plus to blow off

steam and support each other......we really are a wonderful group(and modest

toooooo)

Reid

May 24, 1999

In a message dated 5/24/1999 8:43:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mimianne@... writes:

<< i called 4 - 5 times and left messages and no one ever called me

back. >>

unless you hit the pound sign after you record the message, they never got

it...so please understand why...forgot about having problems when I left

messages for them a few times and they weren't returned...because i didn't

hit the pound ---> # b

so what area are you in>??? Bernadette <curious>

May 24, 1999

i have to say that the person i spoke w/at 1800tickbite was not very helpful

and rude! i called 4 - 5 times and left messages and no one ever called me

back. my mom finally got through and she QUICKLY spouted out several MD's

NOT in my area (hey there are none here) but any way. i did not enjoy this

experience and rated it close to rude MD " support staff " . know these people

are busy, but i was at a point where i needed a MD right away, not tomorrow,

not next month!!! i felt like these people were burned out and had lost

there understanding of why they are 1800TICKBITE.

the problem w/the list " in your area " is that there are no MD's in my area,

so i get a useless listing. i also emailed several other groups, they too

could not give me a MD in my area ... none. so hope you don't live in a

non_LLMD area like me!!!!

the best info. i have received is FROM THIS SITE!

>From: RMcmur3194@...

>

>janet....

>dr b's treatment protocol is considered the gold standard as of now.......u

>can get it off of the ldf web site.www.lyme.org.

>they can also help u to find a lyme literate doctor and a support group in ur

>area........for a doc i think they charge a $5 fee........u may also want to

>try 1-800-tickbite they may be helpfull with a doc ......maybe even someone

>on our list can be of help........once again weklcome.......keep those ????

>coming as needed thats one of the reasons we are here....plus to blow off

>steam and support each other......we really are a wonderful group(and modest

>toooooo)

>Reid

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May 24, 1999

i am sorry about ur experiance with 1800 tickbite and i will pass it along to

the person in charge as he is a personal friend of mine........ i apoligize

..if iknew this would happen i would not have recomended them.....i will see

what is going on before i do again we do not need more stress in our

lives......

Reid

May 25, 1999

In a message dated 5/25/1999 8:23:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mimianne@... writes:

<< that is the first answering service that i

have heard of which would require such a thing!! how disturbing but thanks

for the explanation. >>

actually the system they use also allows you to hear the nmessage you just

recorded and change it if you want to before it is sent...our scholl system

here in NJ also has the same system and so does at & t...B

May 25, 1999

you have GOT to be kidding!!!!! that is the first answering service that i

have heard of which would require such a thing!! how disturbing but thanks

for the explanation.

it still does not explain whey they had no time for my questions and gave me

bogus MD's. they gave me a peditricians #, and other MD's which " are not

accepting patients " (which was long distance for me). like i said a real

" reach " to find a MD in my " area " . i understand that they are very busy and

have very serious calls ... more so than mine, but at the time i really was

desperate for help and received 0. i live in SW Virginia, near TN, NC, WV

.... no LLMD's that i can find w/in 300 miles ... unless someone new to the

list knows of one.

>From: BratDet@...

>

>In a message dated 5/24/1999 8:43:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>mimianne@... writes:

>

><< i called 4 - 5 times and left messages and no one ever called me

> back. >>

>unless you hit the pound sign after you record the message, they never got

>it...so please understand why...forgot about having problems when I left

>messages for them a few times and they weren't returned...because i didn't

>hit the pound ---> # b

>so what area are you in>??? Bernadette <curious>

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May 25, 1999

you know i really didn't mean to dampen anyone's resolve. please, try all

avenues for help. i may have caught someone on a bad day and i believe

several folks answer the phone. i did want to share this info. in case

anyone else has a bad experience ... they are not alone. what was really

weird was that another girl told me to call tickbite and that they were so

helpful, so i tried as stated several times w/no help and when i FINALLY got

through she was very " snippy " to me. i used to work in customer support for

a computer company and have a real problem w/rudeness when this is the main

function of your job! Are they all volunteers at tickbite?

i really, really do wish i would have found THIS site 6 mo. ago. i would

have saved me A LOT of STRESSFUL moments. can we not encourage your friend

and 1800 to put this listserv address as one of there answering machine

options? ... to chat with others suffering from lyme disease, try

subscribing to lyme-aidonelist ... or something such as this.

>From: RMcmur3194@...

>

>i am sorry about ur experiance with 1800 tickbite and i will pass it along to

>the person in charge as he is a personal friend of mine........ i apoligize

>.if iknew this would happen i would not have recomended them.....i will see

>what is going on before i do again we do not need more stress in our

>lives......

>Reid

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May 25, 1999

i will talk to himasap........it would be a good idea......the other thing

and it is not and excuse is most of the people working at that center have

lyme......and u know how we get.......especially with the weather we have

been having here in NJ.....it really peeks up my symptoms.......Reid

May 27, 1999

Hi Janet,

I saved your message to respond to, and am now just getting to it,

sorry, but the list has been so busy lately. Welcome to the list, I am

mailing you Dr Burrascano's protocol via separate email. Dr Burrascano is a

brave doctor in New York City who has been treating Lyme patients for

several years. He is so busy he no longer takes new patients. He has

written this protocol and updates it yearly so other doctors less familiar

with Lyme disease can have a guideline to follow. We recently had a doctor

post to our list telling us that in all her years in med school, only one

hour was devoted to Lyme disease. I don't know of any Lyme doctors in

Missouri, but often local support groups will know of them. To try to

locate a support group in your area, contact the Lyme Disease Foundation, or

Lymenet.org on the web.

http://www.lyme.org/index2.html This is for the LDF, they will do doctor

referrals for a nominal fee of $5.

http://www.lymenet.org/ This is Lymenet, they have a list of support groups

by state.

I hope this information as well as the Burrascano protocol is helpful for

you.

Sincerely,

Marta McCoy

[Lyme-aid] Intro and question

From: sunwyn@...

Hi folks,

I just recently subbed to this list and must say, I am pleased to

find others who will understand me. I have had lyme for 3 years and

have been without a doc for 2 years. We moved to rural Missouri

and I have yet to find any doctor who will take this disease

seriously. I no longer can work and am at my wits end. I have so

many symptoms, they would take ages to list.

Who is Dr Burrascano and what is his protocol for treatment. I

would appreciate anything anyone can send me.....and if anyone

knows of a doctor in Missouri, I'd appreciate a referral. Thanks!

Janet

August 19, 2001

Hi , I thought I would just copy a recent post of mine that will

hopefully answer your question.

All children vaccinated with a live virus vaccine such as measles, mumps,

rubella, and chickenpox can spread the disease. And this is how... shedding.

Vaxxed children shed the organism for a period of time after being vaxxed.

There is much debate about how long the shedding period is. I've seen

anywhere from 3 days (according to CDC) to over 2 months. It is shed via

mouth, nose and anus. The consensus is that it is very rare for the organism

shed from the mouth and nose to cause the disease; however, look out for the

bug that comes out of the anus! Heeheehee Once the organism hits the

intestines, it then replicates and becomes much more virulent. Which means

that it can quite easily cause the disease in anyone who comes in contact

with it. So, this is where thorough washing of hands is imperative after

changing dirty diapers. And because children are no respector of hygiene I

suspect it's not difficult for them to get the bug on THEIR hands and thus

contaminate the things they touch. Believe it or not, this is why the live

polio vaccine was favored for so long - shedding. The authorities loved this

because they knew that they were passively innoculating others. Unfortunately

too many parents got polio from changing diapers and this was a consideration

in finally stopping the live polio vax. That and the fact that the live

vaccine was causing polio in the innoculated child as well. As far as the

infants getting a serious disease, I think you might be referring to the fact

that moms who have been vaxxed for disease just don't pass along disease

protection to their breastfed newborns like the moms who have developed

natural immunity. This is why poor little babies are being hit with major

immune challenges before their system is ready to handle it. This is

something that even the CDC admits to.

In a message dated 8/18/2001 11:08:55 PM Central Daylight Time,

@... writes:

> Hi. My name is Goldmeer. I am a homeschooling mom of four: Alison -

> 8, - 5, Jon - 2, and Amber - 3 months. I am married to Joe, and we live

> in AZ.

>

> We learned about vaccination the hard way: had vaccine-induced Autism

> Spectrum Disorder. Also, Alison suffered from terrible " glue ear " ear

> infections as a toddler, leading to surgery. At the time we did not know

> these were caused by vaccinations.

>

> I grew up pretty mainstream. Everyone got vaccinated, right? Only

> irresponsible parents who didn't care about their kids wouldn't get

> vaccinated. Hippies, and so on.

>

> Well, needless to say I've learned a lot! I also just found out from my mom

> that I had a bad reaction to my MMR shots as a baby. She doesn't remember

> what it was (or even if it was that shot) but she does remember that I got

> terribly sick after one of my vaccinations. Hello???!!!??? How about

> telling me this BEFORE I get my kids vaxxed?

>

> Anyway, Alison received her full series of everything, got everything

> up through age 2, but the two little ones have not been exposed to

> vaccinations. The more I learn the more disgusting the whole thing seems.

>

> I mean, I used to work in a funeral home. The embalming room was totally

> off limits to anyone who wasn't a licensed embalmer. That's because of the

> formaldehyde being a known carcinogen. And here I find out that's in some

> of the stuff they want to shoot into my kids??

>

> Are all moms as ticked as I am when they first find this stuff out?

>

> Anyway, I actually have a question, not just a rant! LOL...

>

> My niece wants me to watch my great-nephew (2 months old) while she works.

> No problem, I love the little guy, but my niece is a huge believer in

> vaccines and has no interest in anything I say about them.

>

> I'm just concerned about how his exposure to vaccinations could affect my

> kids. I don't want him exposing the baby (Jon too, but the baby especially)

> to any risk.

>

> How do I handle this? Will it be enough to ask her to have his vaccinations

> always scheduled for Friday afternoons? Would he be " safe " by Monday

> morning? I'm especially worried about the OPV.

>

> I have to let her know asap, she wants to start leaving him here after Labor

> Day.

>

> Thanks so much,

> Goldmeer

>

September 11, 2001

> I plan on taking 40mg of Red Clover each day (phyto-estrogen) along

with

> a bit of progesterone cream. I also plan on drinking a lemonade

with

> molasses each day, and plenty of tuna, sardines, and oysters. I

take a

> multivitamin with an additional B-vitamin complex each day.

>

> Any tips, comments, appreciated.

>

> Mindy

Hi Mindy,

I'm new, too. Have been hypo for years that went untreated because

the TSH kept showing normal and I was too ill informed about the

importance of getting on prescription drugs for what was bothering me.

Regarding your plan to up your intake of iodine I'd say to proceed

with caution. Pay extra attention to how you feel on that diet

because here in the US, where we have iodine coming out our ears,

lots of people, including me, have become allergic to iodine and it

actually causes more thyroid problems than it cures.

Best advice I have for all you've got going on right now would be to

definitely find a good, caring doctor who will listen to you and pay

attention to you. If any doc just assumes you're fine and all you

need is an anti-depressant, change docs until you find someone who

will treat you as a person with a brain and an awareness of your body.

Good luck and let us know how you do1

in LA

October 3, 2001

round of vaccinations.

>

>Along with that, Maycie was also having terribly itchy rashes all over her

>hands and the back of her neck (although it didn't seem to be related to

>the vaccinations; it seemed more like it had something to do with my diet).

>We tried and tried to have the doctor test for food allergies, but he just

>said it was only a mild case of eczema. Meanwhile, Maycie would wake up in

>the middle of the night repeatedly because she was scratching until she

>bled. This went on for months. At her 10-month checkup, however, the doctor

>realized she hadn't had any vaccinations beyond the 4-month round, so he

>decided he'd better test for allergies to the vaccinations themselves so we

>could get back on schedule. He agreed to include a test for cow's milk as

>well (finally!).

Welcome, .

Let me tell you those tests are pretty meaningless. And we hear all the

time about eczema following vaccinations.

(there are food issues too)

>

>We had those tests today and so far she hasn't reacted. So the doctor wants

>to resume vaccinations next Tuesday (it took us two months to get an

>appointment for the allergy testing, but suddenly it's easy as pie to get

>more vaccinations on a week's notice). My husband and I aren't so sure,

>though. We're waiting to see if she develops any rash or anything from the

>tests over the coming days, as her reactions to the vaccinations didn't

>show up for about a day and a half.

I wouldn't go there myself! Run as fast as you can the other way. Again,

those tests are meaningless.

>

>So I guess my question is this: based on what you all know about vaccines,

>what would you do in our position? I feel like we're hearing wildly

>contrasting opinions about vaccinations everywhere we turn, and I don't

>know who is right or why. Anyone have any thoughts?

Run and read and read and read, starting with my website and links

Welcome

Sheri

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October 3, 2001

Hi !

Welcome. Im Sue a SAHM from the UK. I have 1 lil girl aged 2 1/2 called Ruby

who has had no vaccines since she was 12 months old and due for her MMR and

Men C. She will, as of right now, have no more vaccines!

If I was in your position and Ruby had reacted to a vaccine I would

definately not vaccinate, no way!

Others will let you know aswell how dangerous vaccines are normally ,let

alone to a child with allergies!!

Research the issue well, , please....before you make a decision.

Dont let anyone push you into vaccinating.

See below for some info.....:-)

1. Some vaccines contain things such as mercury and

formaldehyde as well as many other substances which are

known to be very hazardous to human health (see below

for complete list of ingredients).

2. Many vaccines are cultured on mediums such as monkey

kidneys, chick embryos and human diploid cells (cells

from an aborted fetus) which raises moral concerns for

me, but this also causes me concern as to what genetic

material is being injected into a child's body along

with the vaccine ingredients and what possible

consequences that may carry (there is speculation that

the HIV virus originated from a bad batch of polio

vaccine cultured on green monkey kidneys).

3. Vaccines have not been tested for any possible

carcinogenic (cancer causing), teratogenic (gene

altering) effects or their effects on the reproductive

system (it says this right in the product inserts from

the manufacturers).

4. Vaccines are not 100% effective so the child can

still get the disease even if they are vaccinated, and

a child can actually get a diseasesometimes from the

vaccine if it is a live vaccine.

5. A person would not normally contract 5 diseases at

one time naturally, yet at 2, 4 and 6 mth. visits a

baby is injected with five vaccines (all combined in

one shot BTW which raises even more concerns in my

mind).

6. There is no definite proof that vaccines are

responsible for the decline in certain diseases -

improved sanitation, medical care and less crowding may

also have contributed to the decline in certain

diseases.

7. By vaccinating children, many cases of certain

diseases (ex. measles)have now shifted to the adult

population where the disease is often more serious and

debilitating.

8. If a child contracts a disease normally it usually

enters through a mucous membrane in their body (ex.

nose, throat) and travels through many defense

systems in the body before it possibly reaches the

bloodstream, but when a child is vaccinated the vaccine

is injected intramuscularly so it goes almost

immediately into the bloodstream so the disease does

not go through the normal stages it would have to if it

was acquired naturally.

9. There has been a staggering increase in autism

(which it is speculated is sometimes caused or

triggered by the MMR vaccine), and many chronic

illnesses (ex. asthma) since vaccinations began to be

widely used (one theory is that possibly a child's

immune system would normally, without vaccination,

learn to fight off things like measles, chickenpox,

etc. if they were contracted and that would strengthen

the child's immune system and they would be better able

to fight off other illnesses and infections whether

major or minor, but since most children are vaccinated

today their body often doesn't have to fight off things

like measles, chickenpox, etc.so their immune systems

are actually weaker).

10. Often if a child catches an illness such as

measles, mumps, or even polio, they may have very

uncomfortable symptoms of that illness, but as long as

a child isn't immunocompromised the disease/illness

isn't likely to cause irreversable or life-threatening

complications (ex. I used to think that if someone

contracted polio they would definitely be paralyzed

but I have found out through research that polio can

often only cause flu-like symptoms and nothing else if

the person who catches it has a strong immune system).

11. The same amount of vaccine that is given to a 4 yr.

old is given to an 18 mth. old and a 2 mth. old, etc.

and that concerns me as well.

Here's a few websites to check out as well:

http://www.thinktwice.com

http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk

http://www.909shot.com

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Hope that helps a bit,

SUE

Ruby-2.3

Wales,UK

October 3, 2001

Hi, !

I am just going to echo other responses. Run like hell from further

vaccinations!

I'll tell you my childrens' story briefly. Both of my children ( and Drew)

were vaccinated at birth without my permission. I was furious, but once it was

done, well, what could I do? Both had severe jaundice requiring light therapy.

Drew was horribly sick with " colic " , and became non-responsive the day we

returned home (day six after birth) and had to go right back in for further

light therapy. Then both had extensive upper respiratory problems, ear

infections, asthma, the works. finally had to have ear tubes put in.

This was done while she was in the hospital the first time for seizures. She

was seven months old, and seized non-stop for two weeks. When I asked about

whether this was a result of her vaccinations, I was told, " we don't know that. "

I asked what they thought it was and they said probably genetic.

I just found out two weeks ago that , who is now nine years old, has

long-term chronic mercury poisoning from her vaccinations. is Autistic,

Mentally Retarded and struggled with a severe seizure disorder since six months

old. At six months she had her first seizure, a petit mal seizure (a staring

episode), but I did not know what it was. Over the last two years her seizures

have become controlled with Clorazepate (Tranxene), which is a benzodiazapene, a

class of drugs even more addictive that heroin and cocaine.

Drew was diagnosed two years ago as PDDNOS (Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified), although he is very high functioning. I am waiting to

have him tested for heavy metal toxicity, but I suspect he also has Mercury

poisoning from his vaccinations.

Both kids have difficulty with sleep and must take Melatonin in order to sleep.

additionally takes Clonidine for sleep.

I have been told that my children have tinnea puriitis, ecxema, etc.

If you would prefer to not damage your child's health any further and avoid the

horrible consequences that my children and I have been forced to endure, DON'T

VAX!!!!!

Lots of love and good wishes,

Intro and Question

Hi all,

I'm new to the list and Sheri recommended I introduce myself, so here goes.

I'm Mitsch, a work-at-home mom to Maycie, who just turned a year

old in September. I joined the list because Maycie had adverse reactions to

her 2-month and 4-month vaccinations, and the 4-month reaction was worse

than the 2-month reaction -- so my husband and I decided to stop the

vaccinating and find out what was causing the reactions (redness, swelling

and itchy bumps on both her legs around the injection sites, and a bright

red, bumpy, itchy rash all over her face and neck). We didn't want to risk

a serious allergic reaction to the next round of vaccinations.

Along with that, Maycie was also having terribly itchy rashes all over her

hands and the back of her neck (although it didn't seem to be related to

the vaccinations; it seemed more like it had something to do with my diet).

We tried and tried to have the doctor test for food allergies, but he just

said it was only a mild case of eczema. Meanwhile, Maycie would wake up in

the middle of the night repeatedly because she was scratching until she

bled. This went on for months. At her 10-month checkup, however, the doctor

realized she hadn't had any vaccinations beyond the 4-month round, so he

decided he'd better test for allergies to the vaccinations themselves so we

could get back on schedule. He agreed to include a test for cow's milk as

well (finally!).

We had those tests today and so far she hasn't reacted. So the doctor wants

to resume vaccinations next Tuesday (it took us two months to get an

appointment for the allergy testing, but suddenly it's easy as pie to get

more vaccinations on a week's notice). My husband and I aren't so sure,

though. We're waiting to see if she develops any rash or anything from the

tests over the coming days, as her reactions to the vaccinations didn't

show up for about a day and a half.

So I guess my question is this: based on what you all know about vaccines,

what would you do in our position? I feel like we're hearing wildly

contrasting opinions about vaccinations everywhere we turn, and I don't

know who is right or why. Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks!

-- Mitsch

May 21, 2002

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/measles.html

Intro and question

Hi Group,

My name is Sam and I live in Manly, Sydney with my partner Nico and

our children Jordan (11) and Leilu (2 in 3 weeks). Jordan was given

all the " government required " vaccinations when he was little but has

not had any they have offered us since I started to hear rumuors in

the media and through friends (unfortunately, after it was too late)

that vaccines might not be entirely safe. Leilu has never been to a

doctor or hospital, and has never had any " shots " and it gives me

such a great feeling to be able to say that.

I thought my learning curve was steep between my two children but now

I have discovered this great site I realise I have only just begun to

learn about this issue. I must confess I have had trouble keeping up

with the e-mails, wow, this sure is a busy list, and even though I

have yet to contribute I will be cheeky an ask a question anyway, I

hope you don't mind. I am also a bit lost as to what is being

referred to so I shall read a book soon to help me get my feet.

A baby in my Attachmet Parenting Mother's Group has the measles. I

would greatly appreciate any information on how to treat this disease

and anything else that may be useful for me to pass on to the Mum's

group and in particular the Mother of the little baby as she is a bit

concerned.

Thank you so much.

Sam

May 27, 2002

Hi Sam and welcome,

I'm from Australia as well - Far North Coast of NSW near Byron Bay.

I have 4 children - first two partially vaccinated (until I learned

more) and second two unvaccinated. All of them have had the measles -

even the one who had gotten the MMR vaccine! We chose not to treat any

of them until it looked like they needed some help getting over it. Only

one of them did. My youngest ended up getting an ear infection and we

just gave her garlic oil in her ears and it cleared up really quickly. I

did make sure that the kids got vitamin A too but for the first 24-48

hours at least, they did not want to eat or swallow anything -

everything tasted bad to them, so they really had nothing by mouth

except for water. I think that's nature's way of saying that the body is

really busy spending its energy dealing with the measles - please don't

make me spend time digesting too!

We found measles to be the easiest of all the childhood diseases we've

had in the house so far (all of us have had whooping cough, 1 has had

mumps and 4 have had chicken pox) to deal with and the quickest to get

over. My eldest daughter who got it first, was in bed and slept for 24

hours and then, even with the rash, she was up again and raring to go.

That said, there are times that it can become more difficult for some

reason and you may want to look into using homoeopathics or herbs that

can be used to treat.

There are lots of people on this list who can help you with that side of

things. And by searcing on the net for " alternative treatments for

measles " , you will probably come up with lots too.

Congratulations on making your choice and trying to help others too.

All the best,

Meryl

Meryl W. Dorey,

President

The Australian Vaccination Network, Inc.

PO Box 177 02 6687 1699 Phone

Bangalow NSW 2479 02 6687 2032 FAX

meryl@... http://www.avn.org.au

" All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is

violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. "

(Schopenhauer)

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