Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 , Did you talk to your immunologist about doing this? What was his/her suggestion? My kids are seen at a major university medical center and I know they recieved a large sum of money last year to develop a cord blood bank, but I'm guessing they have not done it already. I am sort of hoping the university will help in some way, or that our insurance will cover it in one way or another - did you look into anything like that?? Dayna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Thanks for the info, I just sign up for them to call me, and for me to recieve soem info. I am hopeful that somehow the univeristy will be some sort of help. How was the cord blood collected? Was it done by a doc or a nurse? How comforable did you feel with the whole process? Dayna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Our immunologist was dismissive about the cord blood issue, she basically told us not to bother. She's kind of the not-bother type though... even though still has antibody issues she's sort of cast us adrift because there's nothing more she can do for us unless gets another life-threatening infection or takes a turn for the worse. Maybe she said not to bother because 's PID is not that severe anymore? I'm just guessing. I know that's sort of a negative response to this issue, but I thought I'd throw our experience in there. (mom to Kate, born 9/19/02, dairy intolerant; and , age 4-1/2, GERD, dairy intolerant -- currently has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell & other defs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 If I have another one, we'll be banking the cord blood. My step brother banked their child's cord blood for us. He's not a blood relative so if probably wouldn't help, but the thought was very kind. Pam wife to (16 years) mother to , 9, Hannah, 7, Rebekah, 3, and Leah, 2 Rebekah has CVID and maybe some other stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Find another OB Laurie>Oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 I think he's right about the shot etc not being 'his jurisdiction'; however, if you can't resolve your differences over the cord issue...then hopefully you can find a friendlier ob! (Print him out some stuff on lotus birth and see what he thinks of that!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ , 10 months old See him at <http://www.tabulas.com/~wanderings/gallery/43809/> http://www.tabulas.com/~wanderings/gallery/43809/ cord blood I was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes to not have my baby recieve the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. He was very " loud spoken " about his views and did not agree, but said he would do what I said. We were discussing the cord not being cut and he said that he has delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the cord pulse after birth. He said, " it just doesn't happen. " So, I tried to avoid an argument and said that if we can't wait for it to stop pulsing, then can we wait until it turns gray or until I deliver the placenta. He said he has other ways of getting the baby maximum blood volume from the placenta. He said we can hold her below the placenta and squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) until it's empty. Does that mean that there is still blood in the placenta, though???? He said he is very worried about hypothermia and the baby needs to be dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that is why they are in such a hurry to cut the cord. I asked if they could just lay her on me, dry her, and wrap her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the problem is that the baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the blood going back to the placenta(the wrong way). I told him that I just wanted the maximum blood volume to get back to the baby, and however we did that, I wanted it done. And he said , " OK. " Does anyone have any comments???? I can obviously see that this doctor is going to put up a fight over everything. HE doesn't understand why I don't want the vit. K shot. He told me to just discuss it with the nurses and the pediatrician because they are the ones to do it anyways. So, I don't htink that he really wants to be a part of all of it,,,,, but obviously cutting the cord is in his job description. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 [i was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes to not have my baby receive the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. He was very " loud spoken " about his views and did not agree, but said he would do what I said. We were discussing the cord not being cut and he said that he has delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the cord pulse after birth.] This part really jumped out at me. This is a blatant lie. As a former labor and delivery nurse who witnessed (at least) hundreds of births; I can tell you that the cord most definitely does pulsate! After the pulsating stops; the cord then becomes long and limp. [so, I tried to avoid an argument and said that if we can't wait for it to stop pulsing, then can we wait until it turns gray or until I deliver the placenta. He said he has other ways of getting the baby maximum blood volume from the placenta. He said we can hold her below the placenta and squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) until it's empty. Does that mean that there is still blood in the placenta, though??] My god! He is talking about forcing the blood through at a much faster rate than it should. This can be very damaging to the baby. [He said he is very worried about hypothermia and the baby needs to be dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that is why they are in such a hurry t if they could just lay her on me, dry her, and wrap her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the problem is that the baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the blood going back to the placenta(the wrong way).] This is a total load of BS. I have had four babies that laid on my chest immediately after birth (covered with warmed blankets). Their cord blood transferred through just fine. **This OB truly sounds dangerous. Not sure how far along you are in your pregnancy; but I would highly recommend taking Bradley classes (Husband Coached Childbirth classes). All this info and more is covered . kylene sevigny wrote: > > > I was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes to not have my baby > recieve the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. He was very " loud > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but said he would do what I > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut and he said that he > has delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the cord pulse > after birth. He said, " it just doesn't happen. " So, I tried to avoid > an argument and said that if we can't wait for it to stop pulsing, > then can we wait until it turns gray or until I deliver the placenta. > He said he has other ways of getting the baby maximum blood volume > from the placenta. He said we can hold her below the placenta and > squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) until it's empty. Does > that mean that there is still blood in the placenta, though???? He > said he is very worried about hypothermia and the baby needs to be > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that is why they are > in such a hurry t if they could just lay her on me, dry her, and wrap > her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the problem is that > the baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the blood going > back to the placenta(the wrong way). I told him that I just wanted the > maximum blood volume to get back to the baby, and however we did that, > I wanted it done. And he said , " OK. " Does anyone have any > comments???? I can obviously see that this doctor is going to put up > a fight over everything. HE doesn't understand why I don't want the > vit. K shot. He told me to just discuss it with the nurses and the > pediatrician because they are the ones to do it anyways. So, I don't > htink that he really wants to be a part of all of it,,,,, but > obviously cutting the cord is in his job description. > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 In a message dated 6/8/2005 9:58:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, peacanpr@... writes: The eye drops are for preventing infections (so they say) why is this bad? I think they are in case you have syphylis so your baby doesn't go blind, I dont have any STD s so why on Earth would I let them put that crap in my babies eyes- it is ridiculous and you CAN refuse them both, I just had to sign forms that said I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 That is why I like having my babies at home. However even the home birth midwifes still do the Eye drops, and I can't remember, but I think she did the Vit K shot too. I do remember that she left the cord attached for about 5 minutes or so. Is that enough time for it to stop pulsating. I am having another child in Sept and want to know what benefit it is and how long i should have the midwife wait before she cuts the cord. The make it seem as the Vit K shot is necessary. MY question is FOR WHAT? The eye drops are for preventing infections (so they say) why is this bad? If at all possible is there any natural or homeopathic stuff that they could put in the baby's eyes as a substitute? Thanks for all who can help? Jackie B --- Carla <wingingit@...> wrote: > [i was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes to > not have my baby > receive the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. > He was very " loud > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but said > he would do what I > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut and > he said that he has > delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the > cord pulse after > birth.] > > This part really jumped out at me. This is a > blatant lie. As a former > labor and delivery nurse who witnessed (at least) > hundreds of births; I > can tell you that the cord most definitely does > pulsate! After the > pulsating stops; the cord then becomes long and > limp. > > [so, I tried to avoid an argument and said that if > we can't wait for it > to stop pulsing, then can we wait until it turns > gray or until I deliver > the placenta. He said he has other ways of getting > the baby maximum > blood volume from the placenta. He said we can hold > her below the > placenta and squeeze the cord (like a tube of > toothpaste) until it's > empty. Does that mean that there is still blood in > the placenta, though??] > > My god! He is talking about forcing the blood > through at a much faster > rate than it should. This can be very damaging to > the baby. > > [He said he is very worried about hypothermia and > the baby needs to be > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that > is why they are in > such a hurry t if they could just lay her on me, dry > her, and wrap her > up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the > problem is that the > baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the > blood going back to > the placenta(the wrong way).] > > This is a total load of BS. I have had four babies > that laid on my > chest immediately after birth (covered with warmed > blankets). Their > cord blood transferred through just fine. > > **This OB truly sounds dangerous. Not sure how > far along you are in > your pregnancy; but I would highly recommend taking > Bradley classes > (Husband Coached Childbirth classes). All this info > and more is covered . > > > > > > > kylene sevigny wrote: > > > > > > > I was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes > to not have my baby > > recieve the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. > He was very " loud > > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but > said he would do what I > > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut > and he said that he > > has delivered thousands of babies and has never > seen the cord pulse > > after birth. He said, " it just doesn't happen. " > So, I tried to avoid > > an argument and said that if we can't wait for it > to stop pulsing, > > then can we wait until it turns gray or until I > deliver the placenta. > > He said he has other ways of getting the baby > maximum blood volume > > from the placenta. He said we can hold her below > the placenta and > > squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) until > it's empty. Does > > that mean that there is still blood in the > placenta, though???? He > > said he is very worried about hypothermia and the > baby needs to be > > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and > that is why they are > > in such a hurry t if they could just lay her on > me, dry her, and wrap > > her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then > the problem is that > > the baby is higher than the placenta, which can > send the blood going > > back to the placenta(the wrong way). I told him > that I just wanted the > > maximum blood volume to get back to the baby, and > however we did that, > > I wanted it done. And he said , " OK. " Does anyone > have any > > comments???? I can obviously see that this doctor > is going to put up > > a fight over everything. HE doesn't understand why > I don't want the > > vit. K shot. He told me to just discuss it with > the nurses and the > > pediatrician because they are the ones to do it > anyways. So, I don't > > htink that he really wants to be a part of all of > it,,,,, but > > obviously cutting the cord is in his job > description. > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 That is interesting. My homebirth midwife didn't believe in vit k shots or the eye goop, and insisted on leaving the cord attached for a long time. It was wrapped up and I think it was two hours before it was cut while I just sat and nursed and held my girl. We did do oral vit k though. It's been so long now that I can't remember the details but at the time we both felt it was a good idea. Melyssa Re: cord blood > That is why I like having my babies at home. However > even the home birth midwifes still do the Eye drops, > and I can't remember, but I think she did the Vit K > shot too. I do remember that she left the cord > attached for about 5 minutes or so. Is that enough > time for it to stop pulsating. I am having another > child in Sept and want to know what benefit it is and > how long i should have the midwife wait before she > cuts the cord. The make it seem as the Vit K shot is > necessary. MY question is FOR WHAT? The eye drops > are for preventing infections (so they say) why is > this bad? > > If at all possible is there any natural or homeopathic > stuff that they could put in the baby's eyes as a > substitute? > > Thanks for all who can help? > Jackie B > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Breast milk!!! Kay ******************** If at all possible is there any natural or homeopathic stuff that they could put in the baby's eyes as a substitute? Thanks for all who can help? Jackie B --- Carla <wingingit@...> wrote: > [i was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes to > not have my baby > receive the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. > He was very " loud > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but said > he would do what I > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut and > he said that he has > delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the > cord pulse after > birth.] > > This part really jumped out at me. This is a > blatant lie. As a former > labor and delivery nurse who witnessed (at least) > hundreds of births; I > can tell you that the cord most definitely does > pulsate! After the > pulsating stops; the cord then becomes long and > limp. > > [so, I tried to avoid an argument and said that if > we can't wait for it > to stop pulsing, then can we wait until it turns > gray or until I deliver > the placenta. He said he has other ways of getting > the baby maximum > blood volume from the placenta. He said we can hold > her below the > placenta and squeeze the cord (like a tube of > toothpaste) until it's > empty. Does that mean that there is still blood in > the placenta, though??] > > My god! He is talking about forcing the blood > through at a much faster > rate than it should. This can be very damaging to > the baby. > > [He said he is very worried about hypothermia and > the baby needs to be > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that > is why they are in > such a hurry t if they could just lay her on me, dry > her, and wrap her > up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the > problem is that the > baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the > blood going back to > the placenta(the wrong way).] > > This is a total load of BS. I have had four babies > that laid on my > chest immediately after birth (covered with warmed > blankets). Their > cord blood transferred through just fine. > > **This OB truly sounds dangerous. Not sure how > far along you are in > your pregnancy; but I would highly recommend taking > Bradley classes > (Husband Coached Childbirth classes). All this info > and more is covered . > > > > > > > kylene sevigny wrote: > > > > > > > I was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes > to not have my baby > > recieve the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. > He was very " loud > > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but > said he would do what I > > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut > and he said that he > > has delivered thousands of babies and has never > seen the cord pulse > > after birth. He said, " it just doesn't happen. " > So, I tried to avoid > > an argument and said that if we can't wait for it > to stop pulsing, > > then can we wait until it turns gray or until I > deliver the placenta. > > He said he has other ways of getting the baby > maximum blood volume > > from the placenta. He said we can hold her below > the placenta and > > squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) until > it's empty. Does > > that mean that there is still blood in the > placenta, though???? He > > said he is very worried about hypothermia and the > baby needs to be > > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and > that is why they are > > in such a hurry t if they could just lay her on > me, dry her, and wrap > > her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then > the problem is that > > the baby is higher than the placenta, which can > send the blood going > > back to the placenta(the wrong way). I told him > that I just wanted the > > maximum blood volume to get back to the baby, and > however we did that, > > I wanted it done. And he said , " OK. " Does anyone > have any > > comments???? I can obviously see that this doctor > is going to put up > > a fight over everything. HE doesn't understand why > I don't want the > > vit. K shot. He told me to just discuss it with > the nurses and the > > pediatrician because they are the ones to do it > anyways. So, I don't > > htink that he really wants to be a part of all of > it,,,,, but > > obviously cutting the cord is in his job > description. > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 I can't remember if you're someone who lives in NY, but in that state, the law requires vitamin K and the eye antibiotic to be administered by the attending physician, midwife, or nurse within an hour after birth. So, a midwife who does legal homebirths would be required by law to do this. Vitamin K started being recommended in, I believe, 1961. According to some things I've read, forceps delivery was a major cause of infant head injury at the time, and vitamin k is supposed to help with blood clotting, so the baby doesn't hemorrhage. It's also given to prevent bleeding when circumcising, because the baby's blood clotting doesn't kick in on its own until day 7 or 8 (I may be mistaken on the timing of that - I've found differing information on that one). Sometimes babies develop bleeding elsewhere, but it's pretty rare. The eye goop is to prevent infections that can cause vision problems or blindness, passed on by mothers who are infected with gonorrhea. They just give them to all infants so they don't miss any undiagnosed cases. violet~* --- peacanpr@... wrote: > That is why I like having my babies at home. However > even the home birth midwifes still do the Eye drops, > and I can't remember, but I think she did the Vit K > shot too. I do remember that she left the cord > attached for about 5 minutes or so. Is that enough > time for it to stop pulsating. I am having another > child in Sept and want to know what benefit it is > and > how long i should have the midwife wait before she > cuts the cord. The make it seem as the Vit K shot > is > necessary. MY question is FOR WHAT? The eye drops > are for preventing infections (so they say) why is > this bad? > > If at all possible is there any natural or > homeopathic > stuff that they could put in the baby's eyes as a > substitute? > > Thanks for all who can help? > Jackie B > > > > --- Carla <wingingit@...> wrote: > > > [i was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes > to > > not have my baby > > receive the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. > > He was very " loud > > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but > said > > he would do what I > > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut > and > > he said that he has > > delivered thousands of babies and has never seen > the > > cord pulse after > > birth.] > > > > This part really jumped out at me. This is a > > blatant lie. As a former > > labor and delivery nurse who witnessed (at least) > > hundreds of births; I > > can tell you that the cord most definitely does > > pulsate! After the > > pulsating stops; the cord then becomes long and > > limp. > > > > [so, I tried to avoid an argument and said that if > > we can't wait for it > > to stop pulsing, then can we wait until it turns > > gray or until I deliver > > the placenta. He said he has other ways of getting > > the baby maximum > > blood volume from the placenta. He said we can > hold > > her below the > > placenta and squeeze the cord (like a tube of > > toothpaste) until it's > > empty. Does that mean that there is still blood in > > the placenta, though??] > > > > My god! He is talking about forcing the blood > > through at a much faster > > rate than it should. This can be very damaging to > > the baby. > > > > [He said he is very worried about hypothermia and > > the baby needs to be > > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and > that > > is why they are in > > such a hurry t if they could just lay her on me, > dry > > her, and wrap her > > up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the > > problem is that the > > baby is higher than the placenta, which can send > the > > blood going back to > > the placenta(the wrong way).] > > > > This is a total load of BS. I have had four > babies > > that laid on my > > chest immediately after birth (covered with > warmed > > blankets). Their > > cord blood transferred through just fine. > > > > **This OB truly sounds dangerous. Not sure how > > far along you are in > > your pregnancy; but I would highly recommend > taking > > Bradley classes > > (Husband Coached Childbirth classes). All this > info > > and more is covered . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kylene sevigny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes > > to not have my baby > > > recieve the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, > etc. > > He was very " loud > > > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but > > said he would do what I > > > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut > > and he said that he > > > has delivered thousands of babies and has never > > seen the cord pulse > > > after birth. He said, " it just doesn't happen. " > > So, I tried to avoid > > > an argument and said that if we can't wait for > it > > to stop pulsing, > > > then can we wait until it turns gray or until I > > deliver the placenta. > > > He said he has other ways of getting the baby > > maximum blood volume > > > from the placenta. He said we can hold her below > > the placenta and > > > squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) > until > > it's empty. Does > > > that mean that there is still blood in the > > placenta, though???? He > > > said he is very worried about hypothermia and > the > > baby needs to be > > > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and > > that is why they are > > > in such a hurry t if they could just lay her on > > me, dry her, and wrap > > > her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but > then > > the problem is that > > > the baby is higher than the placenta, which can > > send the blood going > > > back to the placenta(the wrong way). I told him > > that I just wanted the > > > maximum blood volume to get back to the baby, > and > > however we did that, > > > I wanted it done. And he said , " OK. " Does > anyone > > have any > > > comments???? I can obviously see that this > doctor > > is going to put up > > > a fight over everything. HE doesn't understand > why > > I don't want the > > > vit. K shot. He told me to just discuss it with > > the nurses and the > > > pediatrician because they are the ones to do it > > anyways. So, I don't > > > htink that he really wants to be a part of all > of > > it,,,,, but > > > obviously cutting the cord is in his job > > description. > > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Oh yeah...and they give em to babies delivered c-section who were NO WHERE NEAR mommy's vagina. Laurie>Oh -------Original Message------- The eye goop is to prevent infections that can cause vision problems or blindness, passed on by mothers who are infected with gonorrhea. They just give them to all infants so they don't miss any undiagnosed cases. violet~* --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I'd say YEAH but it isn't standard of care and I know breastmilk is pretty awesome, but i'm not convinced it would prevent blindness transferred from birth passage in case mother is infected. oh my gosh...just spent the last 15 minutes cowering from a bat until my brave sons took care of it. be still my cowardly beating heart. Laurie>Oh Breast milk!!! Kay ******************** If at all possible is there any natural or homeopathic stuff that they could put in the baby's eyes as a substitute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 USUALLY it's at least 20 minutes are so...you can tell for yourself. we just leave ours even after i have pushed out the placenta and when i'm ready to settle down and get refreshed, that's when we cut the cord and diaper baby and all the fun new stuff. the blood cord is to help prevent jaundice and probably more. and then there are those ads indicating you should bak your baby's blood cord ($1,000 more for precedure and then $100 more year storage fee) but why not just give the baby all of it's cord blood to begin with? I second the Bradley books. LOVED my instructor and classes and adore that man to who I owe 4 vbac's to and the most relaxing times i have ever had where in labor. honestly. Laurie>Oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 We were discussing the cord not being cut and he said that he has delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the cord pulse after birth. Maybe he needs his vision checked!LOL He said he is very worried about hypothermia and the baby needs to be dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that is why they are in such a hurry to cut the cord. ! He's late for his golf game! or office hours! LOL I asked if they could just lay her on me, dry her, and wrap her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the problem is that the baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the blood going back to the placenta(the wrong way). Is that even possible? I thot it was a one way deal? could be wrong tho but i never had to do gymnastics or have baby in a certain position...i was either in a pool or sitting up in mbed or laying in bed but i don't recall baby being positioned " lower " than the plcanta. maybe you should ask him where he went to medical school!? LOL but obviously cutting the cord is in his job description. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne How about designating someone elst to cut the cord? like you or the father? a sibling? this guy sounds like a mcp and i would run from him as fast as possible. i have SO enjoyed making fun of him and wish i could meet him. huh. maybe he WAS one one of my ob's before i became " BIRTHWARRIOR " !! LOL LAurie>Oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Oh no, I know it would never be protocol in a hospital, I was thinking more when people get home and their babies get gunky eyes or pink eye later on. A hospital would never administer anything " natural " or " homeopathic " in place of an antibiotic. That might actually lead to people being " healthy. " LOL And in every hosptial I've ever worked, part of the initial bloodwork done on a laboring mom is a GC test... " gonorrhea " and " chlamydia. " So, they know who is infected and who isn't. But it's just easier (and costs more $$$) for them to treat every newborn as if their mother is infected. Eeewww... a bat! Thank goodness for brave boys! Kay Re: cord blood I'd say YEAH but it isn't standard of care and I know breastmilk is pretty awesome, but i'm not convinced it would prevent blindness transferred from birth passage in case mother is infected. oh my gosh...just spent the last 15 minutes cowering from a bat until my brave sons took care of it. be still my cowardly beating heart. Laurie>Oh Breast milk!!! Kay ******************** If at all possible is there any natural or homeopathic stuff that they could put in the baby's eyes as a substitute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 And I just did this last week. Gigi had a runny nose and wiped it with her hands and then rubbed her eyes and after she woke up with her eye crusted shut, puffy, red, and gunky, I leaned over and squirted it in her eye. She cried and boys were grossed out but after another application the next day she was perfect as can be! No, wait, they were grossed out when I squirted it on her burnt behind from a nasty bm related to her cold. breastmilk rocks! LAurie>Oh -- Re: cord blood Oh no, I know it would never be protocol in a hospital, I was thinking more when people get home and their babies get gunky eyes or pink eye later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I am only 3 weeks away from my due date. I'm afraid to change doctors. I don't know what to do. When they lay the baby on my chest, will I be able to see the cord pulsing???? If so, then I will voice my opinion at that time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it true about the blood flowing the " wrong " way, back towards the placenta, if the baby is higher than the placenta??? ne Carla <wingingit@...> wrote: [i was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes to not have my baby receive the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. He was very " loud spoken " about his views and did not agree, but said he would do what I said. We were discussing the cord not being cut and he said that he has delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the cord pulse after birth.] This part really jumped out at me. This is a blatant lie. As a former labor and delivery nurse who witnessed (at least) hundreds of births; I can tell you that the cord most definitely does pulsate! After the pulsating stops; the cord then becomes long and limp. [so, I tried to avoid an argument and said that if we can't wait for it to stop pulsing, then can we wait until it turns gray or until I deliver the placenta. He said he has other ways of getting the baby maximum blood volume from the placenta. He said we can hold her below the placenta and squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) until it's empty. Does that mean that there is still blood in the placenta, though??] My god! He is talking about forcing the blood through at a much faster rate than it should. This can be very damaging to the baby. [He said he is very worried about hypothermia and the baby needs to be dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that is why they are in such a hurry t if they could just lay her on me, dry her, and wrap her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the problem is that the baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the blood going back to the placenta(the wrong way).] This is a total load of BS. I have had four babies that laid on my chest immediately after birth (covered with warmed blankets). Their cord blood transferred through just fine. **This OB truly sounds dangerous. Not sure how far along you are in your pregnancy; but I would highly recommend taking Bradley classes (Husband Coached Childbirth classes). All this info and more is covered . kylene sevigny wrote: > > > I was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes to not have my baby > recieve the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. He was very " loud > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but said he would do what I > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut and he said that he > has delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the cord pulse > after birth. He said, " it just doesn't happen. " So, I tried to avoid > an argument and said that if we can't wait for it to stop pulsing, > then can we wait until it turns gray or until I deliver the placenta. > He said he has other ways of getting the baby maximum blood volume > from the placenta. He said we can hold her below the placenta and > squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) until it's empty. Does > that mean that there is still blood in the placenta, though???? He > said he is very worried about hypothermia and the baby needs to be > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that is why they are > in such a hurry t if they could just lay her on me, dry her, and wrap > her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the problem is that > the baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the blood going > back to the placenta(the wrong way). I told him that I just wanted the > maximum blood volume to get back to the baby, and however we did that, > I wanted it done. And he said , " OK. " Does anyone have any > comments???? I can obviously see that this doctor is going to put up > a fight over everything. HE doesn't understand why I don't want the > vit. K shot. He told me to just discuss it with the nurses and the > pediatrician because they are the ones to do it anyways. So, I don't > htink that he really wants to be a part of all of it,,,,, but > obviously cutting the cord is in his job description. > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 So, if they were to use forceps or the vacuum in a delivery, would it be smarter to allow them to give the VIt K shot, or no?????' ne kaeviolet <kaeviolet@...> wrote: I can't remember if you're someone who lives in NY, but in that state, the law requires vitamin K and the eye antibiotic to be administered by the attending physician, midwife, or nurse within an hour after birth. So, a midwife who does legal homebirths would be required by law to do this. Vitamin K started being recommended in, I believe, 1961. According to some things I've read, forceps delivery was a major cause of infant head injury at the time, and vitamin k is supposed to help with blood clotting, so the baby doesn't hemorrhage. It's also given to prevent bleeding when circumcising, because the baby's blood clotting doesn't kick in on its own until day 7 or 8 (I may be mistaken on the timing of that - I've found differing information on that one). Sometimes babies develop bleeding elsewhere, but it's pretty rare. The eye goop is to prevent infections that can cause vision problems or blindness, passed on by mothers who are infected with gonorrhea. They just give them to all infants so they don't miss any undiagnosed cases. violet~* --- peacanpr@... wrote: > That is why I like having my babies at home. However > even the home birth midwifes still do the Eye drops, > and I can't remember, but I think she did the Vit K > shot too. I do remember that she left the cord > attached for about 5 minutes or so. Is that enough > time for it to stop pulsating. I am having another > child in Sept and want to know what benefit it is > and > how long i should have the midwife wait before she > cuts the cord. The make it seem as the Vit K shot > is > necessary. MY question is FOR WHAT? The eye drops > are for preventing infections (so they say) why is > this bad? > > If at all possible is there any natural or > homeopathic > stuff that they could put in the baby's eyes as a > substitute? > > Thanks for all who can help? > Jackie B > > > > --- Carla <wingingit@...> wrote: > > > [i was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes > to > > not have my baby > > receive the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, etc. > > He was very " loud > > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but > said > > he would do what I > > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut > and > > he said that he has > > delivered thousands of babies and has never seen > the > > cord pulse after > > birth.] > > > > This part really jumped out at me. This is a > > blatant lie. As a former > > labor and delivery nurse who witnessed (at least) > > hundreds of births; I > > can tell you that the cord most definitely does > > pulsate! After the > > pulsating stops; the cord then becomes long and > > limp. > > > > [so, I tried to avoid an argument and said that if > > we can't wait for it > > to stop pulsing, then can we wait until it turns > > gray or until I deliver > > the placenta. He said he has other ways of getting > > the baby maximum > > blood volume from the placenta. He said we can > hold > > her below the > > placenta and squeeze the cord (like a tube of > > toothpaste) until it's > > empty. Does that mean that there is still blood in > > the placenta, though??] > > > > My god! He is talking about forcing the blood > > through at a much faster > > rate than it should. This can be very damaging to > > the baby. > > > > [He said he is very worried about hypothermia and > > the baby needs to be > > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and > that > > is why they are in > > such a hurry t if they could just lay her on me, > dry > > her, and wrap her > > up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the > > problem is that the > > baby is higher than the placenta, which can send > the > > blood going back to > > the placenta(the wrong way).] > > > > This is a total load of BS. I have had four > babies > > that laid on my > > chest immediately after birth (covered with > warmed > > blankets). Their > > cord blood transferred through just fine. > > > > **This OB truly sounds dangerous. Not sure how > > far along you are in > > your pregnancy; but I would highly recommend > taking > > Bradley classes > > (Husband Coached Childbirth classes). All this > info > > and more is covered . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kylene sevigny wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I was discussing with my OBGYN, today, my wishes > > to not have my baby > > > recieve the eye drops and the vitamin K shot, > etc. > > He was very " loud > > > spoken " about his views and did not agree, but > > said he would do what I > > > said. We were discussing the cord not being cut > > and he said that he > > > has delivered thousands of babies and has never > > seen the cord pulse > > > after birth. He said, " it just doesn't happen. " > > So, I tried to avoid > > > an argument and said that if we can't wait for > it > > to stop pulsing, > > > then can we wait until it turns gray or until I > > deliver the placenta. > > > He said he has other ways of getting the baby > > maximum blood volume > > > from the placenta. He said we can hold her below > > the placenta and > > > squeeze the cord (like a tube of toothpaste) > until > > it's empty. Does > > > that mean that there is still blood in the > > placenta, though???? He > > > said he is very worried about hypothermia and > the > > baby needs to be > > > dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and > > that is why they are > > > in such a hurry t if they could just lay her on > > me, dry her, and wrap > > > her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but > then > > the problem is that > > > the baby is higher than the placenta, which can > > send the blood going > > > back to the placenta(the wrong way). I told him > > that I just wanted the > > > maximum blood volume to get back to the baby, > and > > however we did that, > > > I wanted it done. And he said , " OK. " Does > anyone > > have any > > > comments???? I can obviously see that this > doctor > > is going to put up > > > a fight over everything. HE doesn't understand > why > > I don't want the > > > vit. K shot. He told me to just discuss it with > > the nurses and the > > > pediatrician because they are the ones to do it > > anyways. So, I don't > > > htink that he really wants to be a part of all > of > > it,,,,, but > > > obviously cutting the cord is in his job > > description. > > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 YOU CRACK ME UP!!!!! LOL KYLENE BirthWarrior <llandes1@...> wrote: We were discussing the cord not being cut and he said that he has delivered thousands of babies and has never seen the cord pulse after birth. Maybe he needs his vision checked!LOL He said he is very worried about hypothermia and the baby needs to be dried and wrapped up quickly , after birth, and that is why they are in such a hurry to cut the cord. ! He's late for his golf game! or office hours! LOL I asked if they could just lay her on me, dry her, and wrap her up and leave the cord... He said yes, but then the problem is that the baby is higher than the placenta, which can send the blood going back to the placenta(the wrong way). Is that even possible? I thot it was a one way deal? could be wrong tho but i never had to do gymnastics or have baby in a certain position...i was either in a pool or sitting up in mbed or laying in bed but i don't recall baby being positioned " lower " than the plcanta. maybe you should ask him where he went to medical school!? LOL but obviously cutting the cord is in his job description. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!ne How about designating someone elst to cut the cord? like you or the father? a sibling? this guy sounds like a mcp and i would run from him as fast as possible. i have SO enjoyed making fun of him and wish i could meet him. huh. maybe he WAS one one of my ob's before i became " BIRTHWARRIOR " !! LOL LAurie>Oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Thats so true Laurie. That was the case THREE times for me. Anita BirthWarrior <llandes1@...> wrote: Oh yeah...and they give em to babies delivered c-section who were NO WHERE NEAR mommy's vagina. Laurie>Oh -------Original Message------- The eye goop is to prevent infections that can cause vision problems or blindness, passed on by mothers who are infected with gonorrhea. They just give them to all infants so they don't miss any undiagnosed cases. violet~* --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 The eye drops >> are for preventing infections (so they say) why is >> this bad? >> >> If at all possible is there any natural or >> homeopathic >> stuff that they could put in the baby's eyes as a >> substitute? >> >> Thanks for all who can help? >> Jackie B >> >> Not legally, that I know of, but if the eyes get a little goopy (usually from birth goo--one of my kids did and one didn't at all) just splash a few drops of breastmilk in them. You'll have plenty on hand! It is all natural, free and works like a charm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 ne, Here are two interesting links for you two read: http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/cordNFM.html [Don't Cut The Cord! by Danette Preston <mailto:nursfam@...> /Clamping the umbilical cord immediately following birth is standard procedure in American hospitals. What much of the general population does not know is that *there are very sound reasons for NOT clamping the umbilical cord immediately.]*/ http://www.cordclamping.com/History.htm [History** *This is a documented history of accepted methods, and their rationale, of closing the umbilical circulation after birth, when the newborn child converts from the placental life support system to the independent life support systems of the adult human. The natural (physiological) process was clearly understood by obstetricians from 1773 through the 1970's. G. M. Morley, MB ChB] * Also; if I may ask, have you done any reading on natural/normal childbirth? ~Carla~ ** kylene sevigny wrote: > Can anyone provide me with information or a site that says something > about the cord pulsating after birth???? And if anyone can back-up, > or prove, that the blood only flows one way and that it will not flow > back to the placenta if the baby is placed higher than the > placenta,,,,, I would appreciate the info???? > Thanks so much for all your help, > ne > ps - I may go up to the hospital in a little bit and talk to the > nurses at the nurse station and see what they say. Find out about the > cord and find out if the vit k shot or the eye drops are legally > demanded or not. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Maybe now that they realize the inherant potential of cord blood, but 10 15 years ago, the cords were tossed/placenta were tossed into medical waste. > > I know we have discussed cord clamping,but i can`t remember if this > issue was brought up.The big bucks being made off cord blood for stem > cell research.Is this the real reason our babies cords are being > clamped to soon.That babies with biliruebin issues had there cords > clamped to soon. Tina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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