Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 i'm not a veggie, I eat fish once a month but sugar is out for me. Unless it is natural like fruit. But I hear ya, there are a lot of unhealthy vegetarians. And a lot of unhealthy meat eaters too.:0) l_realestate <l_realestate@...> wrote: Oh that is so funny!! I forgot about that!! On the other hand, the monster was a great sugar eater which I feel is one of the most damaging substances you could injest and it amazes me how many 'veggies' eat it! > > Adolph Hitler... > > > > > 1k. > > > Re: Cholesterol > <hypothyroidism/message/25349;_ylc=X3oDM TJxaXY2aWJmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE2MDQyNTEwODI EbXNnSWQDMjUzNDkEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE1NDYxNjcwMw--> > > > > Posted by: " Stanziale " massageme429@... > <mailto:massageme429@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cholesterol> > massageme429 <massageme429> > > > Thu Aug 3, 2006 6:06 am (PST) > > More Famous Vegetarians/Vegans for ya Bev...... > > Brad Pitt > Joaquin Phoenix > Bob Barker (price is right) > Jerry Seinfeld > Idol > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Like so many things [such as th holocaust] it is debated. Here are some supposed direct quotes from Hitler: " One may regret living at a period when it's impossible to form an idea of the shape the world of the future will assume. But there's one thing I can predict to eaters of meat: the world of the future will be vegetarian. " - Adolf Hitler. November 11, 1941. Section 66, HITLER'S TABLE TALK " If I offer a child the choice between a pear and a piece of meat, he'll quickly choose the pear. That's his atavistic instinct speaking. " - Adolf Hitler. December 28, 1941. Section 81, HITLER'S TABLE TALK " The only thing of which I shall be incapable is to share the sheiks' mutton with them. I'm a vegetarian, and they must spare me from their meat. " - Adolf Hitler. January 12, 1942. Section 105, HITLER'S TABLE TALK " At the time when I ate meat, I used to sweat a lot. I used to drink four pots of beer and six bottles of water during a meeting. ... When I became a vegetarian, a mouthful of water was enough. " - Adolf Hitler. January 22, 1942. Section 117, HITLER'S TABLE TALK " When you offer a child the choice of a piece of meat, an apple, or a cake, it's never the meat that he chooses. There's an ancestral instinct there. " - Adolf Hitler. January 22, 1942. Section 117, HITLER'S TABLE TALK " One has only to keep one's eyes open to notice what an extraordinary antipathy young children have to meat. " - Adolf Hitler. April 25, 1942. Section 198, HITLER'S TABLE TALK " When I later gave up eating meat, I immediately began to perspire much less, and within a fortnight to perspire hardly at all. My thirst, too, decreased considerably, and an occasional sip of water was all I required. Vegetarian diet, therefore, has some obvious advantages. " - Adolf Hitler. July 8, 1942. Section 256, HITLER'S TABLE TALK " I am no admirer of the poacher, particularly as I am a vegetarian. " - Adolf Hitler. August 20, 1942. Section 293, HITLER'S TABLE TALK Source: HITLER'S TABLE TALK: 1941-1944. Enigma Books. Available at Amazon <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1929631057/qid=1061819158/sr=1-1/\ ref=sr_1_1/103-6113170-5097431?v=glance & s=books> and at And Noble. <http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2WN8FEB7EL & i\ sbn=1929631065 & itm=1> Luck, Re: Cholesterol <hypothyroidism/message/25394;_ylc=X3oDMTJxN20xbXF\ lBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE2MDQyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjUzOTQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE1NDcyNzYwNA--> Posted by: " Stanziale " massageme429@... <mailto:massageme429@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cholesterol> massageme429 <massageme429> Thu Aug 3, 2006 7:30 pm (PST) game over !LOL Really though? He didn't eat meat? Interesting! <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote: Adolph Hitler... 1k. Re: Cholesterol <hypothyroidism/message/25349;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaXY2aWJ\ mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE2MDQyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjUzNDkEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE1NDYxNjcwMw-- <hypothyroidism/message/25349;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaXY2aWJ\ mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE2MDQyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjUzNDkEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE1NDYxNjcwMw-->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Have you tried Niacin (vitamin B3) It lowered mine some and raised HDL a little but it cut triglycerides in half. IMHO Lipitor is POISON. Have a Good Day Today AND A Better Day Tomorrow Cotton--N. Central Texas Cholesterol Hi Does anyone have a good track record with lowering cholesterol? The doc says Im over 250 and want me to go on Lipitor. Anyone know of a Dr treatment? Thanks Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I'll let you know how my blood work goes in a few weeks. But the gallbladder/liver cleanse should help with lowering your cholesterol. But you will still need to modify your diet. I did a few GB cleanse over the last few months and then did another followed by the Master cleanse and that helped me really transition into a MUCH lower fat diet. Look up some info on GB and cholesterol and they are related. > > Hi > Does anyone have a good track record with lowering cholesterol? > The doc says Im over 250 and want me to go on Lipitor. > Anyone know of a Dr treatment? > Thanks > Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Is that a good thing that your triglycerides were cut in half? How much lower did it lower ?your chorlesetoral Cotton Hawkins <cotteni@...> wrote: Have you tried Niacin (vitamin B3) It lowered mine some and raised HDL a little but it cut triglycerides in half. IMHO Lipitor is POISON. Have a Good Day Today AND A Better Day Tomorrow Cotton--N. Central Texas Cholesterol Hi Does anyone have a good track record with lowering cholesterol? The doc says Im over 250 and want me to go on Lipitor. Anyone know of a Dr treatment? Thanks Steve ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 My total cholesterol was 304--- down to 271 triglycerides 311 to 153 HDL 44 ---up to 46 LDL 198 down to 183 risk factor 7.0 down to 5.9 According to some Dr.'s I've read as many people have heart attacks and strokes with low to normal cholesterol as with high. Work on the triglycerides as that is the bad part. Stay away from sodas, chips, sugar and other junk foods and I was taking 6 (500 mg) of slow release Niacin in 3 divided doses. And I still partake of a few Keystone Lights from time to time. My Dr. put me on the Niacin when I told him flat out that I wasn't gonna take Any kind of Statin drugs. Good luck. BTW Medicare or Medicaid even covers them. Have a Good Day Today AND A Better Day Tomorrow Cotton--N. Central Texas Cholesterol Hi Does anyone have a good track record with lowering cholesterol? The doc says Im over 250 and want me to go on Lipitor. Anyone know of a Dr treatment? Thanks Steve ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 why on earth would you take cholesterol meds? explain to your doc that you are hypothyroid and the right meds will normalize your cholesterol levels, along with enough iodine. I would change docs actually. this one is number than a hake. Gracia Ronie, Have you noticed any adverse side effects? My doctor wants me to take a cholestrol meds and I am resisting because I do not want to deal with the side effects. Venizia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Have your thyroid tested before you start taking any meds. for cholesterol.. High cholesterol is usually caused by low thyroid or hypothryoidism.. The tests to have is FT4, FT3, TSH and anitbodies.......don't let the doc. say TSH in fine,,, because IT IS NOT...... Bev > > Ronie, > > Have you noticed any adverse side effects? My doctor wants me to take a cholestrol meds > and I am resisting because I do not want to deal with the side effects. > > Venizia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Re: cholesterol Have your thyroid tested before you start taking any meds. for cholesterol.. High cholesterol is usually caused by low thyroid or hypothryoidism.. The tests to have is FT4, FT3, TSH and anitbodies.......don't let the doc. say TSH in fine,,, because IT IS NOT...... Bev > > Ronie, > > Have you noticed any adverse side effects? My doctor wants me to take a cholestrol meds > and I am resisting because I do not want to deal with the side effects. > > Venizia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 hypo T is just one cause of high cholesterol and dyslipidemia aka high lipids. even if people can get their hypo T under control and have a normal thyroid function- they CAN STILL HAVE elevated cholesterol and dyslipidemia. I have patients that have it and I had patients with the same scenario. In those cases it was the other factors [ 1 or more] that caused it: genetics; obesity; poor diet; sedentary lifestyle; metabolic syndrome; insulin resistance; diabetes; taking long term steroids; heart disease; liver disease; renal disease; other medications. nancie RE: Re: cholesterol is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Well it's why mine was high by the time I was 19. -- Re: cholesterol Have your thyroid tested before you start taking any meds. for cholesterol.. High cholesterol is usually caused by low thyroid or hypothryoidism.. The tests to have is FT4, FT3, TSH and anitbodies.......don't let the doc. say TSH in fine,,, because IT IS NOT...... Bev > > Ronie, > > Have you noticed any adverse side effects? My doctor wants me to take a cholestrol meds > and I am resisting because I do not want to deal with the side effects. > > Venizia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Yes, that is what doctors and big pharma say,,, but,,,, I am inclined to believe it is hypothyroidism that is causing it... I got high cholesterol when I was sick with Cushings Syndrome (tumor on my left adrenal gland) after surgery & within a year my cholesterol went back down it was a high normal then when I started getting sick with hypo then boy did it raise, the doc. was thinking family stuff & gave my cholesterol meds. they caused probs. & when I got on Armour & Cytomel & my Ft4 went to the bottom & FT3 went to the top,,, I no longer had to take cholesterol meds. & my level was at 92 from 256, so stopped the meds. and now my level is about 125.. so this is why I believe the way I do.. I'm not the only one either. Bev > > > > Ronie, > > > > Have you noticed any adverse side effects? My doctor wants me to > take a cholestrol meds > > and I am resisting because I do not want to deal with the side > effects. > > > > Venizia > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 This might be true but the docs. don't even check for hypot at all before giving cholesterol meds..........this is the case with me.. Bev > > hypo T is just one cause of high cholesterol and dyslipidemia aka high lipids. > even if people can get their hypo T under control and have a normal thyroid function- they CAN STILL HAVE elevated cholesterol and dyslipidemia. I have patients that have it and I had patients with the same scenario. In those cases it was the other factors [ 1 or more] that caused it: genetics; obesity; poor diet; sedentary lifestyle; metabolic syndrome; insulin resistance; diabetes; taking long term steroids; heart disease; liver disease; renal disease; other medications. > nancie > RE: Re: cholesterol > > > is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused > by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The > prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of > excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and > drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk > factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some > medicines. > > Dusty > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Note that the criteria includes many scenarios - not just age related high lipids. Were you overweight, not engaging in physical activities, diabetic, or did you have a strong family history? My nephew had high lipids at age 4, but our family history is such that changing his diet and getting him moving in sports fixed that. At age four all he wanted to eat was Mac and Cheese, Cheeseburgers, Grilled cheese - in other words - all things cheese!!!! Changing that changed his lipids. Re: cholesterol Have your thyroid tested before you start taking any meds. for cholesterol.. High cholesterol is usually caused by low thyroid or hypothryoidism.. The tests to have is FT4, FT3, TSH and anitbodies.......don't let the doc. say TSH in fine,,, because IT IS NOT...... Bev > > Ronie, > > Have you noticed any adverse side effects? My doctor wants me to take a cholestrol meds > and I am resisting because I do not want to deal with the side effects. > > Venizia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 No, mine was being hypo. No I wasn't over weight, I was very active in high school, and no diabetes. -- Re: cholesterol Have your thyroid tested before you start taking any meds. for cholesterol.. High cholesterol is usually caused by low thyroid or hypothryoidism.. The tests to have is FT4, FT3, TSH and anitbodies.......don't let the doc. say TSH in fine,,, because IT IS NOT...... Bev > > Ronie, > > Have you noticed any adverse side effects? My doctor wants me to take a cholestrol meds > and I am resisting because I do not want to deal with the side effects. > > Venizia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 You might be talking to someone else but I'll answer that.... When I found out I had high cholesterol before I had cushings I was extremely active, I did physical labor building trucks 40 to 45 hr. per week, worked out with weights hr. a day 4 to 7 days a week, was ready to start pushing 300 lbs. on my legs & so forth, taking my kids to cheerleading & football at the same time at different fields, being a single mother at the time, so I did it all................................................... I was very active.. it was hormones that was causing the high cholesterol....................................................... it went down after surgery without meds...then after I close to being optimized on the thyroid meds. it went down again. Bev > > > > Ronie, > > > > Have you noticed any adverse side effects? My doctor wants me to > take a cholestrol meds > > and I am resisting because I do not want to deal with the side > effects. > > > > Venizia > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. Gracia Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 sorry I meant Schwarzbein Gracia hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. Gracia Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Actually if you cut out sugar instead of fats, you will be very surprised at what happens. Your lipid numbers will definitely go down. I have been to Dr. Atkins, and I think he was wonderful. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. Gracia Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Get cancer support Connect w/ others find help & share Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk Not quite true I'm skinny as a rail , and eat well and I have high numbers ,exercise daily and walk 12 miles a day,lift weights etc ,but I do agree that ppl that are HypO have high numbers or numbers out of range I DONOT eat a high fat Diet at all ,hummmm ??? (51 years old will be 52 this month ) Deborah Re: Re: cholesterol > Actually if you cut out sugar instead of fats, you will be very surprised at what > happens. Your lipid numbers will definitely go down. > > I have been to Dr. Atkins, and I think he was wonderful. > > Roni > > Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. > Gracia > > Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused > by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The > prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of > excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and > drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk > factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some > medicines. > > Dusty > > Recent Activity > a.. 14New Members > Visit Your Group > > Get cancer support > > Connect w/ others > > find help & share > > Health > Looking for Love? > > Find relationship > > advice and answers. > > Healthy Eating > A resource > > for families on > > how to eat healthy > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also he advocated eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which also have cholesterol. he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body. Re: Re: cholesterol sorry I meant Schwarzbein Gracia hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. Gracia Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Just like the statement statins are good for you, fat is bad for is also wrong. Dr. Atkins died after he fell on the ice and injured his head. If fat is bad for you and raises your cholesterol, I challenge you to eliminate carbohydrates from your diet except for vegetables (no potatoes, peas ,beets or corn either) and fruits like berries, watermelon, cantaloupe. That means no bread, corn chips or popped corn, potato chips, cereal and anything else that says carbohydrate. Choose lean meat (you don't have to go nuts), fish, poultry, nuts, eggs, cheese, cream (no milk), no caffeine, salad, (limited tomatoes) veggies, butter, olives, oil. Do this for four weeks and have your cholesterol and lipids checked and tell us what you see. Also, you will be losing weight, so I hope you are not skinny to start. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also he advocated eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which also have cholesterol. he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body. Re: Re: cholesterol sorry I meant Schwarzbein Gracia hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. Gracia Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 By the way, I forgot to include alcoholic beverages, ice cream, yogurt, sugar (of cours), any kind of syrup in my list of don't eat. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also he advocated eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which also have cholesterol. he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body. Re: Re: cholesterol sorry I meant Schwarzbein Gracia hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. Gracia Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 OMG, I'm ROFL. This is my diet now and I'm morbidly obese with high lipids. I live the diet you are suggesting and I can tell you as a gal who inherited an extremely strong family history for bad lipids, it ain't working for me!!!!! Re: Re: cholesterol Just like the statement statins are good for you, fat is bad for is also wrong. Dr. Atkins died after he fell on the ice and injured his head. If fat is bad for you and raises your cholesterol, I challenge you to eliminate carbohydrates from your diet except for vegetables (no potatoes, peas ,beets or corn either) and fruits like berries, watermelon, cantaloupe. That means no bread, corn chips or popped corn, potato chips, cereal and anything else that says carbohydrate. Choose lean meat (you don't have to go nuts), fish, poultry, nuts, eggs, cheese, cream (no milk), no caffeine, salad, (limited tomatoes) veggies, butter, olives, oil. Do this for four weeks and have your cholesterol and lipids checked and tell us what you see. Also, you will be losing weight, so I hope you are not skinny to start. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspiritmsn (DOT) <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com> com> wrote: dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also he advocated eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which also have cholesterol. he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body. Re: Re: cholesterol sorry I meant Schwarzbein Gracia hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. Gracia Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some medicines. Dusty Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 My father was skinny as a rail 5ft 10 in and 135 lbs and had hideous lipids. As did his father - all his uncles, all of his brothers. I'm not being rude, but at 52, you are " aging " . Do you have a family history of high lipids. All oft hese things being said, the blurb I wrote below says specifically that hypo (or diabetes, or liver disease or certain blood pressure meds or certain cancer meds - most notably Tamoxifen and so on and so on) may cause high lipids - it just isn't the " usual " cause. Re: Re: cholesterol seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk Not quite true I'm skinny as a rail , and eat well and I have high numbers ,exercise daily and walk 12 miles a day,lift weights etc ,but I do agree that ppl that are HypO have high numbers or numbers out of range I DONOT eat a high fat Diet at all ,hummmm ??? (51 years old will be 52 this month ) Deborah Re: Re: cholesterol > Actually if you cut out sugar instead of fats, you will be very surprised at what > happens. Your lipid numbers will definitely go down. > > I have been to Dr. Atkins, and I think he was wonderful. > > Roni > > Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote: > > hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim. > Gracia > > Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused > by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The > prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of > excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and > drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk > factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some > medicines. > > Dusty > > Recent Activity > a.. 14New Members > Visit Your Group > > Get cancer support > > Connect w/ others > > find help & share > > Health > Looking for Love? > > Find relationship > > advice and answers. > > Healthy Eating > A resource > > for families on > > how to eat healthy > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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