Running

[Guest guest]

Have any of you dealt with behavior modification for

running?

~Penny ~

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Autism Awareness

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[Guest guest]

Penny - not directly. But after my nephew graduated from college he decided he hated his job as a college admissions counselor and went to work as an aide in an autism classroom. (Has since become a certified teacher.)

Since was young and athletic they gave him the class "runner" So decided if the kid wanted to run they would run. So they did. In the gym, on the play ground, etc. He exhausted the kid and the kid found it wasn't so fun to run anymore.

Marge

FW: Running

Have any of you dealt with behavior modification for running?

~Penny ~

JAX Management, Inc.

http://www.jaxmgt.com

Furthering the cause of Autism Awareness

~~~~~~~~~~~What would happen if the autism gene was eliminated from the gene pool?You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and socializing and not getting anything done.

Temple Grandin

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[Guest guest]

Since was young and athletic they gave him the class " runner "

So decided if the kid wanted to run they would run. So they

did. In the gym, on the play ground, etc. He exhausted the kid and

the kid found it wasn't so fun to run anymore.

I'll have to try that out on my " runner " as soon as I can find a

young track star.

One thing we use is to clearly define " stay close. " When we are out

and we need to keep a tight rein on our " runner " we tell him " stay

close. " This means that he is to stay close enough to touch us.

Clearly defining the request is very important. We worked

many " drills " with appropriate reinforcement in order for this to

work, and it does pretty much for our son. He'll still run on

occasion, he did yeaterday at a birthday party in a park, but it

wasn't while we were doing the " stay close " thing. Still working on

the rest of the problem.

One of the first things to define will be " why is he running? " Is he

running from or to something? We believe our son runs because he

likes to be chased, so if possible we do not chase him (Yea, right!)

If conditions permit we will let him run, and he'll eventually come

back. Of course we keep an eye on him and will try to do an end run

to catch him if possible, or chase him only when he's not looking and

walk after him without making eye contact until we catch him. Then

walk him back without making eye contact or discussing his running

but not giving him the oppurtunity afterward. Yesterday I caught him

after timing how long to get to the street and how slow I could go to

catch him before he got there by running only when he wasn't looking.

I caught him in time but he's 9 and an energizer bunny and I'm old

and not so I felt like I needed oxygen afterward (how do they keep on

going like that?)

Anyway, I would recommend a CBA to work on a progran to as they say,

extinguish the elopement behavior.

Good luck, I wear track shoes

Steve

[Guest guest]

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One of the

first things to define will be " why is he running? " Is he

running from

or to something? We believe our son runs because he

likes to be

chased, so if possible we do not chase him (Yea, right!)

If

conditions permit we will let him run, and he'll eventually come

back. Of course

we keep an eye on him and will try to do an end run

to catch him

if possible, or chase him only when he's not looking and

walk after

him without making eye contact until we catch him. Then

walk him

back without making eye contact or discussing his running

but not

giving him the oppurtunity afterward. Yesterday I caught him

after timing

how long to get to the street and how slow I could go to

catch him

before he got there by running only when he wasn't looking.

I caught him

in time but he's 9 and an energizer bunny and I'm old

and not so I

felt like I needed oxygen afterward (how do they keep on

going like

that?)

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Luckily enough, (I think), this is not my

autie but one of my students.

He LOVES to play chase. He doesn’t

run as an “escape” mechanism or to “get out of work”.

When it comes to running his impulse control is poor and he has no

comprehension of danger. In school, he is in a contained environment, so he

cant’ go TOO far, but I can see it becoming an issue if we don’t

extinguish it now. (He ran off at lunch yesterday when my head was turned for

5 seconds) It’s a catch-22 for me. I can not use “extinction”

because I HAVE to chase him when he runs for fear of him hurting himself (he

has physical disabilities – although you’d never know it

considering how fast he can run) and he enjoys things like running into

classrooms and investigating fire alarms.

It’s become frustrating for me

because I can not seem to find a strategy that works. We try immediate rewards

for things like walking to/from the bathroom and walking in the halls. But it’s

short lived. And it’s dependant on the day and his mood.

Thanks for the feedback. I may have to

try catching him, using NO language and holding his hand <which he does NOT

like>.

I just bought a pair of cross-trainers.

:-D Looks like they are going to get a lot of use.

P.S. He does A LOT of running at recess

(which means I do too, and I am NOT young), which is fine. PE is also a great

outlet, although it’s hard for him to regroup afterwards.

Penny

[Guest guest]

Hmmmm. I wish that I had someone who could keep up with running Evan. Unfortunately, he ran everyone else to the ground first. It does sound like a great idea.

Betty

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From: Marge Foti

Penny - not directly. But after my nephew graduated from college he decided he hated his job as a college admissions counselor and went to work as an aide in an autism classroom. (Has since become a certified teacher.)

Since was young and athletic they gave him the class "runner" So decided if the kid wanted to run they would run. So they did. In the gym, on the play ground, etc. He exhausted the kid and the kid found it wasn't so fun to run anymore.

Marge

[Guest guest]

Steve, Our boy, Evan, runs to go places and will not return. he is very good

about finding ways to get over the fence and out. Last week he used a knot

hole in the fence for a toe gripe to help him up and over the 6 foot fence

that also has electric wire around it! Fortunately, his mother drove right

to his favorite place to run, a home with a travel trailer, and the owner

let her know that he had locked Evan in as soon as he saw Evan go inside.

The man already had experience with thinking Evan was in the back yard only

to have Evan dart back out before we could get to the back door so this time

he was not taking any chances. The police pulled up right then also and Evan

fought to get into the patrol car so the officer gave him a ride home and

even turned the siren on as he approached the house. Sure did bring the

neighbors out who were not only ready out and searching for Evan! Then the

officer had to run because something else came up that was more important

than filling out form and turned his siren on leaving. Now Evan's brother

would have loved the siren more then Evan but Evan really loved the ride in

the patrol car.

Betty

[Guest guest]

Steve, Our boy, Evan, runs to go places and will not return. he is very good

about finding ways to get over the fence and out. Last week he used a knot

hole in the fence for a toe gripe to help him up and over the 6 foot fence

that also has electric wire around it! Fortunately, his mother drove right

to his favorite place to run, a home with a travel trailer, and the owner

let her know that he had locked Evan in as soon as he saw Evan go inside.

The man already had experience with thinking Evan was in the back yard only

to have Evan dart back out before we could get to the back door so this time

he was not taking any chances. The police pulled up right then also and Evan

fought to get into the patrol car so the officer gave him a ride home and

even turned the siren on as he approached the house. Sure did bring the

neighbors out who were not only ready out and searching for Evan! Then the

officer had to run because something else came up that was more important

than filling out form and turned his siren on leaving. Now Evan's brother

would have loved the siren more then Evan but Evan really loved the ride in

the patrol car.

Betty

[Guest guest]

Penney, Evan sounds a bit like our student but most of the time they no longer run after Evan unless he is close to an unlocked gate. His teacher and female aide can no longer chase him but does have a male aide that can. But he does not usually have to because Evan minds him the best. Evan will stop if this aide yells STOP at him. Evan's school now has fencing all around it and the gate right by his classroom now sports a lock that Evan cannot yet manage. They have installed alarms on some of the classrooms that Evan has been in because his quick ability to be gone in a twinkle of an eye. He has twice managed to get out of the fence before being noticed. The last time when they finally caught up with him he was on the roof of a home. I do not know who was scared the most, Evan or the teachers chasing him. Evan gets a time out at school for his running behavior. Even when he runs off from me when I am taking him to class, his aide will tell him that he earned time out for running from grandma and takes him to the time out room next to his class. (it is a regular classroom that they use just for time out for their students or the students in the next class room.) I have not let Evan walk on his own for some time now because of this running off from me on the spur of the moment. I get a grip on his sweat shirt or coat and hold on for dear life. I am 63 now and he can out run me in a second. If he does not find something to interest him enough to stop, I am doomed to lose him. We started Strattera to see if it might help with his impulses but no and his telemedince doctor wants to keep it im place while we try out trileptal. It is not helping yet.

Betty

[Guest guest]

Penney, Evan sounds a bit like our student but most of the time they no longer run after Evan unless he is close to an unlocked gate. His teacher and female aide can no longer chase him but does have a male aide that can. But he does not usually have to because Evan minds him the best. Evan will stop if this aide yells STOP at him. Evan's school now has fencing all around it and the gate right by his classroom now sports a lock that Evan cannot yet manage. They have installed alarms on some of the classrooms that Evan has been in because his quick ability to be gone in a twinkle of an eye. He has twice managed to get out of the fence before being noticed. The last time when they finally caught up with him he was on the roof of a home. I do not know who was scared the most, Evan or the teachers chasing him. Evan gets a time out at school for his running behavior. Even when he runs off from me when I am taking him to class, his aide will tell him that he earned time out for running from grandma and takes him to the time out room next to his class. (it is a regular classroom that they use just for time out for their students or the students in the next class room.) I have not let Evan walk on his own for some time now because of this running off from me on the spur of the moment. I get a grip on his sweat shirt or coat and hold on for dear life. I am 63 now and he can out run me in a second. If he does not find something to interest him enough to stop, I am doomed to lose him. We started Strattera to see if it might help with his impulses but no and his telemedince doctor wants to keep it im place while we try out trileptal. It is not helping yet.

Betty

[Guest guest]

We're trying out a tracking device from Ion Kids. Radio Shack, about

$200.00.

There is a " wrist tag " (think almost Rolex size) and a base unit.

(think a little longer than a cell phone)

You can adjust the range on the base for up to about 200ft and if the

runner goes out of that range the base unit alarms and the wrist tag

beeps. You can then use the " tracking mode to find the direction the

runner went.

The display on the base shows how far the wrist tag is from the base

and there is a tamper sensor built into the wrist tag that alarms the

base if the runner trys to take it off.

We just got it and are not sure how effective it will be, but as we

use it more and get a better handle on this technology I'll post our

experience.

Steve

[Guest guest]

Penny,

What a wonderful and caring teacher you are

[Guest guest]

>Now Evan's brotherwould have loved the siren more then Evan but Evan really loved the ride inthe patrol car.<

Uh oh. He may want to do it again to get a repeat of the ride.

[Guest guest]

Steve,

Can you send me the site for this? I don't think J would keep it on.

Thanks!!!!! Lois

Re: FW: Running

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> We're trying out a tracking device from Ion Kids. Radio Shack, about

> $200.00.

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> There is a " wrist tag " (think almost Rolex size) and a base unit.

> (think a little longer than a cell phone)

>

> You can adjust the range on the base for up to about 200ft and if the

> runner goes out of that range the base unit alarms and the wrist tag

> beeps. You can then use the " tracking mode to find the direction the

> runner went.

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> The display on the base shows how far the wrist tag is from the base

> and there is a tamper sensor built into the wrist tag that alarms the

> base if the runner trys to take it off.

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> We just got it and are not sure how effective it will be, but as we

> use it more and get a better handle on this technology I'll post our

> experience.

>

> Steve

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[Guest guest]

Steve,

> Can you send me the site for this?

http://www.ion-kids.com/

We didn't think our son would either, but he already wears an ID

bracelet and now he doesn't seem to mind, at least not after a few

times of wining and trying to take it off.

We had thought about putting it on him in his sleep, but it really

didn't take too long for him to get used to it. Of course, we all

know they are all different.

Again, I'm not ready to recommend this device, we're still trying it

out. It does seem to do what it says it should, but it's hard to

trust technology under the circumstances.

So far all I'll say is it appears to be a good back up for keeping a

close rein on our son. We are thinking about training him to stop

when his wrist tag beeps (gets out of range), that would be a very

good thing.

Steve

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steve. Please keep me informed on it as time go's. Lois

Re: FW: Running

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> Steve,

> > Can you send me the site for this?

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> http://www.ion-kids.com/

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> We didn't think our son would either, but he already wears an ID

> bracelet and now he doesn't seem to mind, at least not after a few

> times of wining and trying to take it off.

>

> We had thought about putting it on him in his sleep, but it really

> didn't take too long for him to get used to it. Of course, we all

> know they are all different.

>

> Again, I'm not ready to recommend this device, we're still trying it

> out. It does seem to do what it says it should, but it's hard to

> trust technology under the circumstances.

>

> So far all I'll say is it appears to be a good back up for keeping a

> close rein on our son. We are thinking about training him to stop

> when his wrist tag beeps (gets out of range), that would be a very

> good thing.

>

> Steve

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[Guest guest]

Kelli,

Sounds like you have all you need to get started! Now

all it takes is motivation. I am lucky that my 17

year old keeps me on the straight and narrow. It is

amazing how quickly the pred. kicks in and makes you

feel better. Keep up with the positive thinking. It

really helps. Take care.

--- kellishechristensen <kellictc@...> wrote:

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I think it's neat that after 51 one years you have

begun to run. I

had bought a bowflex last spring, and have a nice

eliptical machine,

and a stationary bike, all of which I haven't had much

time to use

since I was working two jobs last year, , and didn't

have any energy

left, I am sure now it's because of this disease.

Now that I have

started prednisone this week, and actually feel like a

human being

again, I am going to get busy on them starting monday

morning early

with my hubby.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Stacey,

My DH is just the opposite. I thought about starting to run a while back and he said he didn't want me to because he thinks it's too hard on your joints and I'd end up crippled like some of these women we seen on TV who after years of running were now crippled.

I tried jogging around a school track once and I didn't do very well so I gave it up lol I think it's in just the individual person. I also think that anything your body isn't use to doing will not do well at first, but you build up to getting better and better.

Good luck if you decide to do it.

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[Guest guest]

,

My dh thinks it would be good for me to get out of the house!! I guess

I could try it once or twice a week. I think I would like to do

intervals of walking then running--I have a heart rate monitor...If it

hurts me too much I'll try to find some other outside activity. But

hey I always have my workout videos/DVD's!!!!

More than the running I want to try rock climbing:) I scaled a small

playground wall with my kids last weekend and was surprised at how

much I enjoyed it. Plus I'm getting stronger from all of the weight

work I have been doing lately...Speaking of...

Tonight was a strength training night:) I really love the strength

training part of my workout week!! I felt strong tonight and had an

excellent ab workout and stretch after!!

Stacey

> Hi Stacey,

> My DH is just the opposite. I thought about starting to run a

while

> back and he said he didn't want me to because he thinks it's too

hard on your

> joints and I'd end up crippled like some of these women we seen on

TV who after

> years of running were now crippled.

> I tried jogging around a school track once and I didn't do very

well so I

> gave it up lol I think it's in just the individual person. I also

think

> that anything your body isn't use to doing will not do well at

first, but you

> build up to getting better and better.

> Good luck if you decide to do it.

>

>

> ~~

[Guest guest]

I use to run, but don't anymore because of my knee. I do walk on the treadmill though, and add in 1 minute sprints so I can get a little bit in. It is hard on the joints, but it is also a great cardio workout.

Tonya

running

My dh wants me to try running. I don't know if it is for me or not!!He says that I could at least run a couple of miles since I can getthrough hour long exercise videos. It is tempting but kind of scary tome to actually leave the house to hit the road! Plus I think that thechance of injury is greater...Do any of you run?? Stacey

[Guest guest]

Hi Stacey, everyone is different. Yes there is a higher risk for injury when you run. I have a friend that runs 5 miles, 5 days a week and has never been injured because of it. I have bad knees so the only running I do is on the volleyball court!

Hope that helped,

Jen

billsgirl93 <billsgirl93@...> wrote:

My dh wants me to try running. I don't know if it is for me or not!!He says that I could at least run a couple of miles since I can getthrough hour long exercise videos. It is tempting but kind of scary tome to actually leave the house to hit the road! Plus I think that thechance of injury is greater...Do any of you run?? Stacey__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

At 11:04 PM 8/08/2005, billsgirl93 wrote:

>Tonight was a strength training night:) I really love the strength

>training part of my workout week!! I felt strong tonight and had an

>excellent ab workout and stretch after!!

stacey, i have been thinking about you and what excellent work you have

been doing!!

please keep doing your workouts and eating right and following bob's plan

(which im really sucking badly at doing unfortunately!) because you are a

huge inspiration to me.

:*carolyn.

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[Guest guest]

I know a strange gait and low muscle tone are common for children with ASD.

Just wondering how many others experience this. My son was in occupational

therapy for about a year. They worked on fine motor skills and sensory issues.

I always thought he needed more help on large motor rather than fine motor. I

also wonder if physical therapy wouldn't be helpful. Now he is 9 and I worry

more than ever when watching him with his peers. He is in Upward this year and

this is his first sport he where he actually plays a game (today was their 1st

game and he made the 2nd basket of the game!!!!!!!!!). It suddenly becomes very

obvious when you see him out there among his peers. He has always ran

funny....kind of scoots along and lets his arms flap. I worry he will be teased

for this eventually. Also, he walks rather than runs many times and tires

easily. Is this because he has low muscle tone? I have brought this up with

his pedi before, but he just tells me to get him outside. His pedi never seems

concerned about anything. When my son was 4, he mentioned that my son,

" socialized differently than other kids his age " and also mentioned he thought

about things more than a 4 year old would (he asked him to jump off the table

and my son stopped and said he couldn't....he said other kids would have just

done it). At this point I mentioned his preschool teacher said he showed

Asperger tendencies....to which he said, " yeah, maybe " . Never suggested I do

anything (and at this point I was still in denial).

He has never been the most physical child. I have always had to force him to go

out and play, yet once he is out there, he could play all day! He would rather

watch tv, play on the computer, or play a video game......as I'm sure many can

relate.

What things can I do with him to help?? When he was smaller (3-4) I used to

chase him around the house in the winter to burn off energy....but he is getting

a little big for that. Also, I understand low muscle tone is not necessarily

about building muscle. I wish I would have pushed this harder when he was in OT.

Back then I was working part time and it was easy to take him......now I work

full time and it is so hard to do any kind of therapy!!!! Anything I can do at

home would be great!

Thanks for your help!

[Guest guest]

Currently, I am not running or jogging, but walking for 45 minutes a day at

about 3.5 ­3.7 mph. In going with this discussion on the dangers of running,

does anyone think this type of walking is dangerous?

Just curious, I am looking to shift to more of a HIIT type, but have not

done so. I don¹t know if am in shape enough to attempt that.

Thanks,

Nerio

The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

exercise it *beyond* tolerance...

HIIT...

Jogging would probably kill you quick...

_

[Guest guest]

Walk Barefoot, don't stress how far or how fast you walk.. and ENJOY it!!!!

C.

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From: Nerio DeLeon <nerio@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 12:19:49 PM

Subject: Re: Running

 

Currently, I am not running or jogging, but walking for 45 minutes a day at

about 3.5 ­3.7 mph. In going with this discussion on the dangers of running,

does anyone think this type of walking is dangerous?

Just curious, I am looking to shift to more of a HIIT type, but have not

done so. I don¹t know if am in shape enough to attempt that.

Thanks,

Nerio

The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

exercise it *beyond* tolerance...

HIIT...

Jogging would probably kill you quick...

_

[Guest guest]

The discussion in my mind always goes back to an evolutionary

perspective....our ancestors were nomadic foragers, so they walked a lot,

they rested a lot, and had bouts of high intensity bursts. To mimic that

lifestyle and achieve the same genetic expression and hormonal response,

you'd walk, HIIT, and sleep - rinse, repeat. Of course diet is the other

important aspect, as is minimizing stress.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Nerio DeLeon <nerio@...> wrote:

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> Currently, I am not running or jogging, but walking for 45 minutes a day at

> about 3.5 ­3.7 mph. In going with this discussion on the dangers of

> running,

> does anyone think this type of walking is dangerous?

>

> Just curious, I am looking to shift to more of a HIIT type, but have not

> done so. I don¹t know if am in shape enough to attempt that.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Nerio

>

> The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

> exercise it *beyond* tolerance...

>

> HIIT...

>

> Jogging would probably kill you quick...

>

>

> _

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>

>