Re: Re: Jeanne (Luigi, Duncan)

[Guest guest]

On 2/2/06, lornabeaverman <rcmlam@...> wrote:

>

>

> I am definitely one of the offenders posting on this list about

> diets or other things people can try to get better because I know

> they've helped others. If I need to stop, I hope Leo will let me

> know.

>

> Thanks,

> Lorna

>

Posting about diets and other things is not the objection , imho.

Just that it always seems to be first option rather than Dr s

protocols.

Again I have to question, if you don't do the parasites and toxins what good

is any diet?

Shouldn't, especially on a list called Dr , the first response be about

toxins and parasites the real core of her protocol...and not primarily about

dietary concerns...

No one is saying dietary concerns are not important and should not be

discussed...a reason I specially noted " (this is NOT a suggestion) " in my

first reply to this issue....

I still believe the original poster was objecting to Dr s protocol and

recommendations NOT getting top billing in a group with her namesake...Hence

the subject " I could have swore this was a Dr group....i.e., there

ain't much Dr in' going on in here...this apparently hit the second

responder as funny, much to Duncan's annoyance.

That's the way I see it....and I want to reiterate no one is usggesting that

other things are off limits....just noting that the group seems to be

getting/has gotten seriously off focus on Dr .

The one example that caught my attention on this was that every time someone

inquired on an ailment they seemed to get directed immediately to another

group to ask there instead....

I'll note that in past years here it was not unusual to have spies among us

causing discord and general disruption of the group...Jan Bolen can attest

to that...(And I'm not saying that is what is happening now!) But it does

explain my " twice shyness " about it.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

idris enoch <idrisenoch@...> wrote: well said;, written in the

smallest possible letters, and definitely not smirking.

Posting about diets and other things is not the objection , imho.

Just that it always seems to be first option rather than Dr s

protocols.

Again I have to question, if you don't do the parasites and toxins what good

is any diet?

Shouldn't, especially on a list called Dr , the first response be about

toxins and parasites the real core of her protocol...and not primarily about

dietary concerns...

No one is saying dietary concerns are not important and should not be

discussed...a reason I specially noted " (this is NOT a suggestion) " in my

first reply to this issue....

I still believe the original poster was objecting to Dr s protocol and

recommendations NOT getting top billing in a group with her namesake...Hence

the subject " I could have swore this was a Dr group....i.e., there

ain't much Dr in' going on in here...this apparently hit the second

responder as funny, much to Duncan's annoyance.

That's the way I see it....and I want to reiterate no one is usggesting that

other things are off limits....just noting that the group seems to be

getting/has gotten seriously off focus on Dr .

The one example that caught my attention on this was that every time someone

inquired on an ailment they seemed to get directed immediately to another

group to ask there instead....

I'll note that in past years here it was not unusual to have spies among us

causing discord and general disruption of the group...Jan Bolen can attest

to that...(And I'm not saying that is what is happening now!) But it does

explain my " twice shyness " about it.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Yah, I have experienced that kind of disruption too, in other groups,

Khepri. Part of why I brought this topic up. I have found so much help

with Dr. 's stuff and pretty much HER stuff alone (and some with

Bob Beck's stuff, especially his magnetic pulsuer), having tried all

that other nutrition stuff time and again in different forms over the

years with not much of any long lasting or positive results, unlike

Dr. 's work.

If it seems narrow to some, then probably it is because I don't have a

website and am not trying sell all this crap to people. Just a hunch

though.

What I don't like is the way information here about her protocol gets

sluffed off or subtly dismissed as slightly crackpot. What I know, for

example, beause of my experience with her stuff is that Diabetes

wasn't caused by eating too much sugar. It was caused by overdosing on

wood alcohol. Therefore not eating sugar won't make a whit of

difference in the long run for a CURE of diabetes. What *will* make a

difference is getting rid of the wood alcohol!

If you don't get rid of wood alcohol, the parasites will still get by

even if you cut out sugar. In fact I would say a lot of those

irresistable cravings are caused by the parasites mucking with stuff

to get you to feed them better. As long as they are in there and

prospering because of the necessary toxin, nothing will work.

Otherwise there wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry out there

for 'managing' the many diseases the toxins and parasites have created

or exacerbated. And of course they want you to think Dr. is a

crackpot, because the powers that be know they can't disprove her

stuff (believe me, it would be alllll over the news if so!, so they

have to harrass her (drove her to mexico, eh?) and try to suppress her

info, and probably send undercover people to do exactly what I was

saying (discrediting and dismissing her work) here and on other lists

where people might actually find the help and *CURES* they are

seeking. The powers that be have a *LOT* to lose in both money and

credibility if word of this stuff gets around.

And I know this will be a *CURE* much to the dismay of anyone who

sells supplements etc to those who are willing to believe they have a

life long cross to bear.

Also, I have seen a lot of people become so identified with their

disease, they can't imagine living without it, and so will often

sabotage their efforts to heal so they appear to fail, just so they

can stay sick. Of course some of that is on the unconscious level, but

if the cure doesn't seem that easy, there may be other reasons for

people failing besides that the protocol has failed them, is my point.

Go Seahawks! = )

Annette

well said;, written in

the smallest possible letters, and definitely not smirking.

>

> Posting about diets and other things is not the objection , imho.

>

> Just that it always seems to be first option rather than Dr s

> protocols.

>

> Again I have to question, if you don't do the parasites and toxins

what good

> is any diet?

>

> Shouldn't, especially on a list called Dr , the first response

be about

> toxins and parasites the real core of her protocol...and not

primarily about

> dietary concerns...

>

> No one is saying dietary concerns are not important and should not be

> discussed...a reason I specially noted " (this is NOT a suggestion) "

in my

> first reply to this issue....

>

> I still believe the original poster was objecting to Dr s

protocol and

> recommendations NOT getting top billing in a group with her

namesake...Hence

> the subject " I could have swore this was a Dr group....i.e., there

> ain't much Dr in' going on in here...this apparently hit the second

> responder as funny, much to Duncan's annoyance.

>

> That's the way I see it....and I want to reiterate no one is

usggesting that

> other things are off limits....just noting that the group seems to be

> getting/has gotten seriously off focus on Dr .

>

> The one example that caught my attention on this was that every time

someone

> inquired on an ailment they seemed to get directed immediately to

another

> group to ask there instead....

>

> I'll note that in past years here it was not unusual to have spies

among us

> causing discord and general disruption of the group...Jan Bolen can

attest

> to that...(And I'm not saying that is what is happening now!) But it

does

> explain my " twice shyness " about it.

>

> Khepri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Khepri,

I do think some views of things are narrow-minded, that is for sure.

But I don't think that applies to Dr. . I think that her approach

is very holistic. She considers the person, their environment, their

diet, their personal care modalities and other things when she deals

with their illness, where as some people are allll hung up on diet,

alone, 'eat this, don't eat that'.

Also, doing the protocol, for sure I am NOT going to get cancer

or a lot of other diseases toxins and parasites create. How is that

*not* proactive?????

Funny how some people see the world. And act like our dad or doctor

and expect us to be good little boys and girls and go along with their

much superior program, eh?

>

> > > Yah, I have experienced that kind of disruption

> > too, in other groups,

> > > Khepri. Part of why I brought this topic up. I

> > have found so much help

> > > with Dr. 's stuff and pretty much HER stuff

> > alone (and some with

> > > Bob Beck's stuff, especially his magnetic

> > pulsuer), having tried all

> > > that other nutrition stuff time and again in

> > different forms over the

> > > years with not much of any long lasting or

> > positive results, unlike

> > > Dr. 's work. If it seems narrow to some,

> > then probably it is

> > > because I don't have a website and am not trying

> > sell all this crap to

> > > people.

> >

> > Annette, a non-wholistic approach ALWAYS seems

> > narrow to some for

> > good reason.

>

> Boy that one was twisted....man.

>

> You thought HER statement was " narrow-minded " .

>

> She restates her position and refers back... " if it

> seems narrow to some..... " IOW, people other than

> me...

>

> Then you seem to flip it around and turn it backwards

> with your reply, as if she thinks non-wholistic

> modalities are " narrow-minded " !!?!?!!?

>

> She was referring to her own beliefs about Dr 's

> (wholistic) approach was she not?

>

>

> >What's more, an individual has to have

> > a large element of

> > luck for a non-wholistic approach to work. I think

> > you were just lucky.

>

> I think she got what she needed from Dr s

> protocol as that is what she attributes her new found

> health to....

>

> Are you saying that no one can follow ONLY Dr s

> protocol and achieve a healthy state? And if they do

> they were just LUCKY?

>

>

> > As I note on my website, things besides toxins

> > conspire against you;

>

> Mm.

>

> Khepri

>