Re: Speaking of gallstones...

May 16, 2006

well whatever I got out, my allergies and burning skin are gone and I feel 100x

better.

Holly

Speaking of gallstones...

I found the below text from a site a few weeks back:

http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#gallstone

I have been wanting to do the liver flush for some time, but have not

yet got around to it, but this article got me wondering, especially

the issue about what constitutes real gallstones (sinking or

floating), ultrasonogram proof, and concentric layers inside the

gallstone.

I didn't post this to start any battles, but comments are welcome. It

has been some years since I read her books, and I haven't kept up very

much with new info since then, unfortunately.

Sometimes I wish this guy below and people like Dr could sit

down at a table together and talk this all out and come to some level

of agreement about what's true or not. The fact that these two

opposing sides never do this makes it very hard for fence sitters

(probably most people - people who like to listen to doctors because

of their education and background, but also want the hope that

alternative medicine often offers) to come off the fence.

Text below....

-Ken Bagwell

---------------------------

Gallstone Flush PESSIMISTIC

People who have gallstones, or think they have gallstones, are invited

to " flush " them out by swallowing a concoction of 1/2 cup of olive

oil, a big grapefruit, 4 tablespoons of Epsom salts, and three cups of

water.

It was a nice idea, and interesting things will appear in the toilet

bowl soon after. But I'm afraid that they're not your gallstones.

Here's why:

* Real gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the ones in the

picture on the links below, or else shaped like mulberries. What

you'll get from the recipe are spheres. One of my correspondents

describes a friend who saved the spheres and displayed them to his

friends.

* Real gallstones hurt bad when they pass through the cystic and

common bile ducts.

* Real gallstones sink in water. (As an autopsy pathologist, I'm

very familiar with this.) The " gallstones " you'll produce from this

recipe will float, as the " alternative thinkers " themselves point out.

(They claim that real gallstones float, too. Liars.)

If you know a little basic chemistry, you'll realize what is

happening. The Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate, and the grapefruit

contains some complex carbohydrates. When these slosh around in the

stomach and small intestine, they'll form a tough film which will

encase drops of olive oil. This will produce some yellowish balls

which will float in the toilet.

Hulda Regehr , the author of " The Cure for all Cancers " and " The

Cure For HIV/AIDS " promotes this. Since she claims to have both a

doctorate in naturopathy and a Ph.D. in something (the latter implying

having done substantial original lab research), one would think she

would have made an experiment with a real gallstone and discovered

that it sinks. There's a nice photo which she stole from my friend,

pathologist Ed Klatt. She calls them " such small stones " though

they're obviously 7-10 mm across. She thinks the stones she displayed

formed in the liver and " rolled " into the gallbladder, which is silly.

You see many more stones in the gallbladder because that's where bile

is concentrated and stored; if they all " rolled " there from the liver,

we'd see much more biliary colic. She says gallstones " can be of any

color " which is a hoot. She also claims that the major cause of

gallstones is wearing shoes.

If you want to believe these people, that is your business. If you try

the purge, please chew your grapefruit up thoroughly. Otherwise,

you're asking for a gastic bezoar and a trip to the endoscopist to

remove the obstruction.

Gallstone cleansing

The premiere site is now down. Gallstone Flush from Hulda Regehr

. Much of the material on these sites is identical though it's

not clear who has borrowed from who.

Follow-up: April 2003. My notes on the gallstone flush have generated

considerable " controversy " . I look forward to a real surgeon taking

these people on a visit to the surgical ward to see whether it's

really true that 99% of people who pass a gallstone have no pain, or

whether most gallstones sink or float in water. (The impurities make

them heavy. They sink. If you have any doubts about who is massively

ignorant, go ask any general surgeon or pathologist.) There are also

photos, some of which appear to be real smooth faceted gallstones, and

others showing shaggy surfaces which are obviously not gallstones.

Instead of continuing to sling mud at me, these people should take

somebody with ultrasonographically-proven gallstones, administer the

" flush " , and repeat the ultrasonogram. If there are now no gallstones,

publish the finding in a non-refereed junk journal. The fact that

nobody's done this invites the obvious conclusion. If you are

presented with the physical results of a " gallstone flush " , cut it in

half. Real gallstones have concentric layers of colors often varying

from pale yellow through black, sometimes with a center of radiating

crystals.

END

May 16, 2006

Holly, I'm glad you're feeling better, because it works!

Ken, in this article they are saying that 'gallstones' don't float; that is

partially true. They are talking about the calcified gallstones. You're

right, they don't float, because they are calcified. The gallstones that

come out that float, those are gallstones too. They float because they are

not calcified yet.

You can read more about it here: http://curezone.Com/cleanse/liver/

I have done 7 flushes and my PMS is so much better.

Midge

I found the below text from a site a few weeks back:

http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#gallstone

I have been wanting to do the liver flush for some time, but have not

yet got around to it, but this article got me wondering, especially

the issue about what constitutes real gallstones (sinking or

floating), ultrasonogram proof, and concentric layers inside the

gallstone.

I didn't post this to start any battles, but comments are welcome. It

has been some years since I read her books, and I haven't kept up very

much with new info since then, unfortunately.

Sometimes I wish this guy below and people like Dr could sit

down at a table together and talk this all out and come to some level

of agreement about what's true or not. The fact that these two

opposing sides never do this makes it very hard for fence sitters

(probably most people - people who like to listen to doctors because

of their education and background, but also want the hope that

alternative medicine often offers) to come off the fence.

Text below....

-Ken Bagwell

---------------------------

Gallstone Flush PESSIMISTIC

People who have gallstones, or think they have gallstones, are invited

to " flush " them out by swallowing a concoction of 1/2 cup of olive

oil, a big grapefruit, 4 tablespoons of Epsom salts, and three cups of

water.

It was a nice idea, and interesting things will appear in the toilet

bowl soon after. But I'm afraid that they're not your gallstones.

Here's why:

* Real gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the ones in the

picture on the links below, or else shaped like mulberries. What

you'll get from the recipe are spheres. One of my correspondents

describes a friend who saved the spheres and displayed them to his

friends.

* Real gallstones hurt bad when they pass through the cystic and

common bile ducts.

* Real gallstones sink in water. (As an autopsy pathologist, I'm

very familiar with this.) The " gallstones " you'll produce from this

recipe will float, as the " alternative thinkers " themselves point out.

(They claim that real gallstones float, too. Liars.)

May 16, 2006

Ken - as someone who has done around 10 flushes already (and still going), I can

tell you that the " stones " - or whatever they want to call them - are of all

shapes and sizes. They do float for they are not calcified (yet - thank

goodness!). They also are of several colors - deep to light green and brown -

yellow - depending on hwere they come from (liver of gallbladder). This guy

think a bit too much of himself, as many doctors do. For example, in my opinion

his premise that epsom salt mixes In the Stomach with citrus juice and coats

olive oil doesn't make sense: we take epsom salt two hours before taking

Emulcified mix of citrus juice and olive oil, etc...

This fellow also poo-poos EDTA chelation. I have done it myself as a

preventitive thing, and I have see myself people that pretty much came back from

the dead by doing this chelation. Regular doctors sent them home and said - we

can't do anything anymore (after a number of bypasses), you are just going to

die soon.

The bottom line as far as I am concerned: Liver Flushes are One of the Most

important things (if not The Most Important) we can do to rectify the decades of

wrong nutrition and lifestyle. It is not necesserily an easy path, but, done

carefully, is very rewarding.

My 2 cents,

Ilya

Speaking of gallstones...

I found the below text from a site a few weeks back:

http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#gallstone

I have been wanting to do the liver flush for some time, but have not

yet got around to it, but this article got me wondering, especially

the issue about what constitutes real gallstones (sinking or

floating), ultrasonogram proof, and concentric layers inside the

gallstone.

I didn't post this to start any battles, but comments are welcome. It

has been some years since I read her books, and I haven't kept up very

much with new info since then, unfortunately.

Sometimes I wish this guy below and people like Dr could sit

down at a table together and talk this all out and come to some level

of agreement about what's true or not. The fact that these two

opposing sides never do this makes it very hard for fence sitters

(probably most people - people who like to listen to doctors because

of their education and background, but also want the hope that

alternative medicine often offers) to come off the fence.

Text below....

-Ken Bagwell

May 16, 2006

Hi Ken,

From someone else who is going on 8+ liver flushes, I can say it

helped tremedously! Before the first flush I did, my liver area was

hard as a rock, kinda achy and my digestion wasn't so hot. Of course I

have discovered some of that was a stomach lining problem, but the low

bile production probably didn't help.

After my very first flush, my liver area was so much softer and I

definitely did see the difference in the color of the stool, just as

Dr. says. Before it was very tan, but after it was much darker

and sank, showing it was more fully digested. And the achy pressure in

that area was gone, too. And it has only gotten better with each flush.

That fellow definitely hasn't tried a liver flush, obviously. And I,

too, think, in that only the calcified ones sink, and apparently those

are the only ones that count, to the medical professional. Of course

if we all successfully remove our gall/liver stones with flushes, just

think of how much money the doctors would lose in gall bladder removal

sugeries, eh?? There's an easy and quick couple thousand bucks for

them! I know I would have had to had my gall bladder out by now if I

hadn't discovered this flush!

Also, believe me, considering the size of some of the stones I got out

doing these flushes, they would have hurt like heck without the epsom

salts which, as Dr. points out, *relaxes* the bile ducts. Duh.

That fellow is obviously a stooge for the AMA or phamacuetical

companies. I am pretty sure there are people getting paid to 'debunk'

alternate health methodology, and he sure sounds like just such a flunky.

And besides, if it doesn't work, it isn't going to hurt anything,

unlike 99.9% of all perscription drugs. Funny how we will trust a

doctor's decision to poison us with some 'FDA' approved drug (which

later gets pulled from the market because it has fatal side effects),

and get all twitchy and uptight over something that is comprised of

only natural ingredients, with no harmful side effects. Boy oh boy

don't they have us all so brain washed eh??

Annette

>

> I found the below text from a site a few weeks back:

> http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#gallstone

>

> I have been wanting to do the liver flush for some time, but have not

> yet got around to it, but this article got me wondering, especially

> the issue about what constitutes real gallstones (sinking or

> floating), ultrasonogram proof, and concentric layers inside the

> gallstone.

>

> I didn't post this to start any battles, but comments are welcome. It

> has been some years since I read her books, and I haven't kept up very

> much with new info since then, unfortunately.

>

> Sometimes I wish this guy below and people like Dr could sit

> down at a table together and talk this all out and come to some level

> of agreement about what's true or not. The fact that these two

> opposing sides never do this makes it very hard for fence sitters

> (probably most people - people who like to listen to doctors because

> of their education and background, but also want the hope that

> alternative medicine often offers) to come off the fence.

May 16, 2006

I'm not sure if my post got here a few weeks ago but I received my

sensiblehealth liver detox 4 pack. In the pamphlet it says the epsom salts may

actually mix with the olive oil concoction to make the " gallstones " ....I've

never done the flush without the epsom salts (fear of pain!)...has anyone gotten

similar looking stones with and without the salts?

Best!

Shefy

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