Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Two comments: 1. Silver chloride is not toxic, but it is not helpful either, as far as I can find. It is quickly formed in the body when IONIC silver is ingested and contacts either the hydrochloric acid in the stomach or the sodium chloride (salt) in the bloodstream. That is the reason I do not recommend the usual low voltage DC " colloidal silver makers " , since they mainly produce ionic silver. See a test that shows the advantage of true colloidal silver versus ionic at http://www.purestcolloids.com/comparison.htm 2. The best colloidal silver I know is Mesosilver, made by my friend Key at www.purestcolloids.com This is the only one in the world with pure silver metal clusters of only eight or nine atoms each, only 0.64 nanometers across. is an engineering genius who spent 15,000 hours finding a way to make this stuff, and has a state of the art colloids laboratory to test each batch. Nobody else in the " colloidal silver " arena even comes close to the quality and scientific understanding supplies. See more on the science at www.silver-colloids.com Blessings! Arthur 888-533-7007 1-604-826-1406 www.BestZapper.com www.ForgetPills.com www.BestWithoutDrugs.com P.S. I do not make a penny from recommending this product, but think it is high time SOMEBODY knowledgeable made a true colloidal silver available. There are mostly CS marketing lies out there these days. See actual test results of common products at http://www.purestcolloids.com/psa-table.htm Question on Colloidal Silver maker I was told to beware of a dangerous form of colloidal silver made by using a small high voltage divice with 22 silvber wires in water and that this is not colloidal silver, but SILVER CHLORIDE, a poison that deposits silver in the body and causes gray skin. I'm looking for a inexpensive colloidal silver maker that makes colloidal silver of submicroscopic cluster of a few atoms held in suspension in pure water by a tiny electric charge on each atom...since I was told that making colloidal silver this way is safe and will not deposit SILVER CHLORIDE in the body nor cause gray skin....anyone know where I can get one? thx:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 I believe true Colloidal Silver is completely safe, but only when used properly! Proper use does not include daily use! In my studies I have come to believe that Colloidal Silver should be treated like an antibiotic and used for acute conditions only. The duration of any treatment course should not run more than 10 days, with the maximum being 15-20 days for severe conditions. Colloidal Silver can create resistant bacteria with over or improper usage. There is documentation to this effect from a case reported by the burn ward at the Massachusetts General Hospital in 1999. Three patients there died from an AG+(silver) resistant Salmonella strain. Why flirt with disaster by trying to make your own Colloidal Silver when there are several brands out there that can provide you with a quality product that is effective! I agree with Arthur that Mesosilver is one of the best, but there are others as well. Another good website to visit is http://www.silver-colloids.com . I would also suggest a very short, simple and straight to the point book called " Colloidal Silver Today " by Warren Jefferson. I hope this information helps you! Pete Arthur Doerksen <ad7@...> wrote: Two comments: 1. Silver chloride is not toxic, but it is not helpful either, as far as I can find. It is quickly formed in the body when IONIC silver is ingested and contacts either the hydrochloric acid in the stomach or the sodium chloride (salt) in the bloodstream. That is the reason I do not recommend the usual low voltage DC " colloidal silver makers " , since they mainly produce ionic silver. See a test that shows the advantage of true colloidal silver versus ionic at http://www.purestcolloids.com/comparison.htm 2. The best colloidal silver I know is Mesosilver, made by my friend Key at www.purestcolloids.com This is the only one in the world with pure silver metal clusters of only eight or nine atoms each, only 0.64 nanometers across. is an engineering genius who spent 15,000 hours finding a way to make this stuff, and has a state of the art colloids laboratory to test each batch. Nobody else in the " colloidal silver " arena even comes close to the quality and scientific understanding supplies. See more on the science at www.silver-colloids.com Blessings! Arthur 888-533-7007 1-604-826-1406 www.BestZapper.com www.ForgetPills.com www.BestWithoutDrugs.com P.S. I do not make a penny from recommending this product, but think it is high time SOMEBODY knowledgeable made a true colloidal silver available. There are mostly CS marketing lies out there these days. See actual test results of common products at http://www.purestcolloids.com/psa-table.htm Question on Colloidal Silver maker I was told to beware of a dangerous form of colloidal silver made by using a small high voltage divice with 22 silvber wires in water and that this is not colloidal silver, but SILVER CHLORIDE, a poison that deposits silver in the body and causes gray skin. I'm looking for a inexpensive colloidal silver maker that makes colloidal silver of submicroscopic cluster of a few atoms held in suspension in pure water by a tiny electric charge on each atom...since I was told that making colloidal silver this way is safe and will not deposit SILVER CHLORIDE in the body nor cause gray skin....anyone know where I can get one? thx:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Pete, can you share the sources for your info on colloidal-silver-resistant organisms forming? I have seen info to the effect that because silver stops energy generation in the bugs, they cannot develop resistance. Actually, if it kills them all, none can be selected to survive as a resistant strain. Arthur Question on Colloidal Silver maker I was told to beware of a dangerous form of colloidal silver made by using a small high voltage divice with 22 silvber wires in water and that this is not colloidal silver, but SILVER CHLORIDE, a poison that deposits silver in the body and causes gray skin. I'm looking for a inexpensive colloidal silver maker that makes colloidal silver of submicroscopic cluster of a few atoms held in suspension in pure water by a tiny electric charge on each atom...since I was told that making colloidal silver this way is safe and will not deposit SILVER CHLORIDE in the body nor cause gray skin....anyone know where I can get one? thx:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Dearest Arthur, Too much of a good thing is a reality! If you require references to back my statement, then lets start here: Silver, S., et al., " Silver cations as an antimicrobial agent: clinical uses and bacterial resistance, " 1999, cited by Alliance For the Prudent Use of Antibiotics, APUA Newsletter 17(3): 1-3, 1999. NIAID, " Antimicrobial Resistance Fact Sheet, " National Inst. Of Allergies & Infectious Diseases, National Institute Of Health, Bethesda. There of course is more, but i'll let you digest this first! Also, there is info on PUBMED if you have access. Currently i'm waiting for some info on a Swedish study that was done on overgrowth of bacteria in Silver mines themself. They actually found bacteria living on the native silver ore underground. I will report back on that when I get more info. Don't get me wrong, Colloidal Silver is better than any Antibiotic being pushed these days. I'm just concerned with it being used properly! Sincerely, Pete Maclaren Arthur Doerksen <ad7@...> wrote: Pete, can you share the sources for your info on colloidal-silver-resistant organisms forming? I have seen info to the effect that because silver stops energy generation in the bugs, they cannot develop resistance. Actually, if it kills them all, none can be selected to survive as a resistant strain. Arthur Question on Colloidal Silver maker I was told to beware of a dangerous form of colloidal silver made by using a small high voltage divice with 22 silvber wires in water and that this is not colloidal silver, but SILVER CHLORIDE, a poison that deposits silver in the body and causes gray skin. I'm looking for a inexpensive colloidal silver maker that makes colloidal silver of submicroscopic cluster of a few atoms held in suspension in pure water by a tiny electric charge on each atom...since I was told that making colloidal silver this way is safe and will not deposit SILVER CHLORIDE in the body nor cause gray skin....anyone know where I can get one? thx:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 here's another website I found for true silver colloidal: http://www.invive.com/ Walk in Beauty Starwoman ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 This website claims to make true collidial silver....anyone agree or is this product mostly ionic??? here's the website link: http://bio-alternatives.net/buysilver.htm Walk in Beauty Starwoman ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Arthur, Too much of a good thing can be bad! If you would like references to back my statement, then lets start here: Silver, S., et al., " Silver cations as an antimicrobial agent: clinical uses and bacterial resistance, " 1999, cited by Alliance For the Prudent Use of Antibiotics, APUA Newsletter 17(3): 1-3, 1999. NIAID, " Antimicrobial Resistance Fact Sheet, " National Inst. Of Allergies & Infectious Diseases, National Institute Of Health, Bethesda. There of course is more, but i'll let you digest this first. Also, there is info on PUBMED if you have access. Currently i'm waiting for some info on a Swedish study that was done on overgrowth of bacteria inside Silver mines themself. They actually found bacteria living on the native silver ore underground. I will report back on that when I get more info. Don't get me wrong, Colloidal Silver is better than any Antibiotic being pushed these days. I'm just concerned with it being used properly! Sincerely, Pete Maclaren Arthur Doerksen <ad7@...> wrote: Pete, can you share the sources for your info on colloidal-silver-resistant organisms forming? I have seen info to the effect that because silver stops energy generation in the bugs, they cannot develop resistance. Actually, if it kills them all, none can be selected to survive as a resistant strain. Arthur Question on Colloidal Silver maker I was told to beware of a dangerous form of colloidal silver made by using a small high voltage divice with 22 silvber wires in water and that this is not colloidal silver, but SILVER CHLORIDE, a poison that deposits silver in the body and causes gray skin. I'm looking for a inexpensive colloidal silver maker that makes colloidal silver of submicroscopic cluster of a few atoms held in suspension in pure water by a tiny electric charge on each atom...since I was told that making colloidal silver this way is safe and will not deposit SILVER CHLORIDE in the body nor cause gray skin....anyone know where I can get one? thx:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 I use an ounce of colloidal silver to rinse my mouth after brushing my teeth at night. After several minutes of swishing I swallow it. The CS I make using 12,000 volts AC is mainly silver particles with few ions. I believe in regular preventative use of CS, since it does not accumulate in the body nor cause the development of resistant strains of bugs. The sources you quote seem to be speaking of the Ag+ ion, not true colloidal silver in metallic particle form, and thus have little relevance as far as I can see. They are, I believe, tainted by their Pharma cartel connections as well. I do not trust Big Pharma or their " science " . See more on this at http://www.naturalnews.com/023074.html Blessings! Arthur Question on Colloidal Silver maker I was told to beware of a dangerous form of colloidal silver made by using a small high voltage divice with 22 silvber wires in water and that this is not colloidal silver, but SILVER CHLORIDE, a poison that deposits silver in the body and causes gray skin. I'm looking for a inexpensive colloidal silver maker that makes colloidal silver of submicroscopic cluster of a few atoms held in suspension in pure water by a tiny electric charge on each atom...since I was told that making colloidal silver this way is safe and will not deposit SILVER CHLORIDE in the body nor cause gray skin....anyone know where I can get one? thx:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Hello, I have been using home made EIS (electrically isolated silver) for many years, the manufacturer of the generator I use (Silvergen) says that it produces about 85% ionic silver and 15% colloidal, they never claimed that it made pure colloidal. In his book, Warren Jefferson states: " Most CS today is produced by the low voltage, dirct current (LVDC) method thaat generally contains 10 percent colloidal silver particles and 90% dissolved silver ions. Many people are using this ionic- colloidal silver successfully. You will have to do your own research to determine where you stand on the issue od particles vs. ions. " I wonder why so much of the book is dedicated to home made EIS (CS), (it even includes detailed instructions about how to make one) if it is an inferior product which has been suggested on this list. I would suggest that anyone interested in colloidal silver or EIS, should take the author's advice. The scientific mind by nature likes to read contrasting reports, there is indeed contoversey on the subject of ionic vs. colloidal. I am totally convinced by what I have read, researched and tested that ionic is the hands down winner for burns. I have personally used home made EIS (CS) for many complaints over the years that I have been using it which range from colds and flu, through burns, diharea, haemoroids, bronchitis, wasp and jelly fish stings to all the usual disinfectant uses which anyone can permit themselves with the cost of home made EIS (CS), other uses include spraying fruit and veg to prevent bacterial growth and decay, cleaning work surfaces, using as a mouthwash, body odour preventative, ... did I mention that I also use it with our pets? Perhaps not relevant to this list, so I'll merely metion it. A combination of EIS (CS) and DMSO (DimethylSulfoxide)can achieve even more wonderous effects with bronchitis (using a nebuliser), it will be much more effective with dermotalogical complaints such as athletes foot (not a personal experience but one of a friend's athletic son) but that's a whole different topic. I have read with interest the recent posts describing the wonders or a particular product brand, manufactured by a dedicated scientist, tried and tested and " proved " to be the best. I challenge anyone to prove that this " brand " does any better than home made with burns, I sincerely believe that it would not do nearly as well. What I personally love about EIS (CS) is the fact that it can be produced cheaply and has the potential to save millions of lives. I read about large quantities of money being spent to save people in the " third world " and whenever they go vaccinating millions in poor countries, it's always combined whith sanitisation programmes, that speaks volumes to me. When I see a " new " product trying to " replace " a tried and tested old one with marketing techniques which I prefer not to comment on, I cringe and see that even in the world of alternative therapies, profit dominates many people's thoughts. To provide quantities of this " wondersilver " to people in Africa, India etc, might just be out of their price range, the price of rice has gone up just a bit and they don't have so much available cash :-( Not to metion the not so wealthy in Eorope, the US etc. For anyone with enough money to accept this marketing sham, I would suggest you buy a generator, calculate how much it would have cost you to buy this " pharma/ big business " product and spend the rest sending solar powerd EIS (CS) generators and water distillers to little viallages in Africa. Are the two people exchanging posts on this topic known to you all? I apologise for taking up so much space but when I read someone trying to tell me that what I have been using for years with fantastic results is being branded harmful, I get annoyed. LONG LIVE HOME MADE EIS (CS) Cheers, Ian in Spain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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