Re: niacin for cholesterol??

[Guest guest]

People who do take niacin regularly do tend to lower their cholesterol,

as well as their blood pressure. You do tend to get the flush,

especially when you have " stuff " in your blood vessels needing to be

cleared out. After your system is clear you stop having the same

reaction, or most folks do - can take a few weeks or a few months.

I would never take aspirin for it... Joy

i.e. medical told her to take niacin

> for her high cholesterol.

[Guest guest]

put " niacin & cholesterol " in to google .com

I took niacin and in a few weeks the flushes and itchiness disappearred so I

upped it to two tablets and it started again.

It seemed to rejuvenate the skin. Liz

niacin for cholesterol??

A friend who goes to a CAM doctor, i.e. medical told her to take niacin

for her high cholesterol. I've never heard of this. She also told her

to take aspirin because the niacin will give her hot flashes, DUH. I do

know niacin will make you flush but hot flashes? And aspirin for it?

Someone straighten 'me' out here.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thanks, good to know. Amazing how the M.D.'s just can't suggest

anything without a drug attached. She also, of course, suggested the

no/low cholesterol diet. But my friend was impressed with the vitamin

suggestion so she'll keep going to her thinking she's getting

nutritional advice too. I guess that's the new scam. Recommend some

nutritional stuff, make the patients think the M.D. is also considering

the alternative approach. But, the diet recs will ultimately make the

cholesterol high and then the drug can be prescribed and now the patient

will think the alternatives don't work and be back in the drug cartels

arms. They are SO CLEVER!!!

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Re: niacin for cholesterol??

People who do take niacin regularly do tend to lower their cholesterol,

as well as their blood pressure. You do tend to get the flush,

especially when you have " stuff " in your blood vessels needing to be

cleared out. After your system is clear you stop having the same

reaction, or most folks do - can take a few weeks or a few months.

I would never take aspirin for it... Joy

i.e. medical told her to take niacin

> for her high cholesterol.

[Guest guest]

Good idea, here's what I found:

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/Column.asp?Id=78

What is it with M.D.'s that they think every single symptom has to be

treated with drugs???????????? And, patients won't do anything that

might cause them a little discomfort. Most alternative healing has

uncomfortable symptoms but it's part of the healing process. Suck it

up!!!!!!!!!!!

I just might have to write this doctor a letter. She is very nice and

on the right track.

Re: niacin for cholesterol??

put " niacin & cholesterol " in to google .com

I took niacin and in a few weeks the flushes and itchiness disappearred

so I upped it to two tablets and it started again.

It seemed to rejuvenate the skin. Liz

niacin for cholesterol??

A friend who goes to a CAM doctor, i.e. medical told her to take

niacin

for her high cholesterol. I've never heard of this. She also told

her

to take aspirin because the niacin will give her hot flashes, DUH. I

do

know niacin will make you flush but hot flashes? And aspirin for it?

Someone straighten 'me' out here.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Aspirin in itself is a killer!

[Guest guest]

.....you're my kind of woman!!!!!! Rae, California......I'll co-sign

your letter to the MD> :)

[Guest guest]

Thanks!!

Re: niacin for cholesterol??

.....you're my kind of woman!!!!!! Rae, California......I'll

co-sign

your letter to the MD> :)

[Guest guest]

My Husband has very high cholesterol up near 300s does anyone suggest how

much niacin he should take.

Regards ,

Cher

[Guest guest]

Niacin is good for cleaning toxins from the blood. I started with 100 and I

am on 400 with vitamin C now. It is going to every part of your body and

taking toxins out. Flush is Must, do not take anything to suppress that.

Jasmina

[Guest guest]

Dr. suggests 500 mg 3xday but she also states doing the liver cleanse

to clean out the bile ducts will improve the cholesterol problem greatly. Of

couse you must do a parasite cleanse before you do the liver cleanse. Cleaning

out the arteries will also help a lot. The poor man's solution to this is

cilantro. If you are interested, I will send you the receipe for cilantro that

by

itself reduced my cholesterol 80 points in about 3 weeks. There is no one step

cure for anything. Best to clean the whole body and be done with it. Who knows

what you've got in there that's nasty!

Marjorie

[Guest guest]

Hi, Cher:

Did you go to the links posted by Graves yesterday?? Lots of good

info. I'm reposting his email here and thank you , much

appreciated!! BTW, I took 100 milligrams of niacin this morning (not

treating anything) and got a wicked flush, lots of itchiness and heat in

the face and forearms, only lasted 5 minutes and certainly bearable. I

think taking aspirin is absolutely not necessary, just work up slowly.

I was surprised as I'd taken niacin years ago and nothing happened. I'm

guessing that indicates a deficiency?? I'm telling you this as a

warning to start out even lower then what they say in the links. I do

wonder about the quality. Perhaps this niacin (from Dr. , expires

in October) is better then what I took years ago. There is a huge

difference in quality although I've always bought from reliable sources,

never NEVER places like Walmart, drug stores, etc.

_______________________________________________________________________

The definitive study that proves niacin ( B-3 ) WORKS!and is absolutely

safe...

<http://www.whale.to/a/hoffer5.html> http://www.whale.to/a/hoffer5.html

Also see " Niacin Therapy " ;

<http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_niacin.html>

http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_niacin.html

I take 2Grams/day, in small doses, and 10 Grams or more of Vit.C ( ditto

), per the Hoffer/ing protocols. The flush diminishes with continued

use...it is COMPLETELY safe to experience the flush...further, so-called

" cholestorol-reducing drugs " are beginning to show that they actually

CAUSE heart disease...

Quote from ;

<http://www.researchprotection.org/infomail/03/07/11.html>

http://www.researchprotection.org/infomail/03/07/11.html

" Dr. M. Kauffman, research professor of chemistry and biochemistry

at the University of the Sciences in Philadelphia explained how

pharmaceutical sponsored drug trials avoid disclosing the most serious

adverse risks: " In drug trials, the pharmaceutical companies often

divide similar adverse effects into six or seven different categories to

keep the scarier side effects under 1%. " To illustrate his point, Dr.

Kauffman said that amnesia-- a drug-induced effect for some

patients--could be divided into confusion, memory loss, senility, and

cognitive impairment.

In hindsight, Dr. Graveline said he questioned why he took Lipitor in

the first place?

The cholesterol case is a stunning reminder that drug therapies are

often hyped without scientific supporting evidence and that they can

cause more harm than good.

Clearly, this serious challenge to the practice of widely prescribing

statins (cholesterol lowering drugs)--Lipitor, Mevacor, Zocor, Lescol,

Crestor, Advicor--is not what manufacturers of these blockbuster drugs

want the public to know. The conference was held last spring in

Arlington, Va. One wonders about the silence of the medical

establishment and the press. "

Also from ; <http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p72.htm>

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p72.htm " ...The lie

is that cholesterol in your food causes cholesterol in your blood and

that high cholesterol in your blood causes death from heart disease.

That is false data. .. " , and " ...Dr. Uffe has, by now, achieved the

status of the world's number one authority on the truth about

cholesterol -- and specifically the so-called " heart/diet " that the

three...( men ) at the top have brought forth to plague mankind -- and

who have done this for the sole purpose of helping the drug companies

sell billions of dollars worth of worthless and harmful

" cholesterol-lowering " drugs. The top selling drug in the world is

Lipitor (see more below) sold to reduce cholesterol. This is a fraud!

Dr. Uffe exposes that fraud! He has also acknowledged other experts who

have debunked the cholesterol claims... "

- Graves IBWB ( U.S.A. )

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how

to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing

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Re: niacin for cholesterol??

My Husband has very high cholesterol up near 300s does anyone suggest

how

much niacin he should take.

Regards ,

Cher

[Guest guest]

H Marjorie,

Thanks for the reply so fast. I know my husband will not do any of the

above mentioned in your e-mail he is kind of stuck in the dark ages. Can you

tell me about the cilantro maybe he will do that.Also what did you mean by

cleaning out the arteries ? Help

Regards,

Cher

[Guest guest]

Jas,

Was that 100 3x a day and how much vitamin c did you take? should you

always take C with the niacin.

Regards ,

Cher

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Yes I agree I always buy from Dr. .I was going to have just my

husband do this but I think I am going to give it a shot too.I have to say I

need

no more hot flashes due to Menopause at 38 oops someone is screwing with my

hormones,(hee hee) . So whats with the vitamin c thing with the niacin?

Regards,

Cher

[Guest guest]

organic flax seed oil helps lower cholesterol too!

cherspunky1@... wrote:My Husband has very high cholesterol up near 300s does

anyone suggest how

much niacin he should take.

Regards ,

Cher

[Guest guest]

Re:Re: niacin for cholesterol??

> I don't know if that is too high to see a great benefit, but my folks

and others have used flax oil capsules per the bottle directions and

have seen substantial results; and that's w/o changing much of anything

else (ie. exercise, diet, etc.). This may also help triglycerides,

sugar, etc..

>

> I haven't followed this entire thread as I've been w/o power up until

recently due to the hurricane, but the warning for niacin is to not take

with high blood pressure, have liver problems or gout; other than that,

The Prescription for Nutritional Healing says not to exceed 300mg and do

not sub niacinimide. Also, as with all B vitamins, take a B-complex to

balance and prevent other imbalances if you take any single B vitamin

(ie. niacin).

>

> Also, remember that though that is too high a cholesterol score, there

are several other factors to be checked that are as important (if not

more so) than cholesterol (ie. homocystein, C-reactive protein,

fibrinogen, tumor necrosis factor (TNF), etc.).

>

> Steve

> --------------------------------------------------------------

> My Husband has very high cholesterol up near 300s does anyone suggest

how much niacin he should take.

>

> Regards ,

> Cher

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cher.....you poor thing....It is sssooooooo boring constantly hearing about

women who worry more about their husbands than they deserve. It's worse

than dealing with a child.......a VERY small child at that. If he doesn't

want

to care for his body.....just keep his life insurance paid up. THE END!

rae

[Guest guest]

Don't know about the vitamin C in connection with the niacin. It's

certainly important but can't say at what dosage. Menopause at 38?

Have you done all of Hulda's cleanses?

From: cherspunky1@... [mailto:cherspunky1@...]

Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:50 PM

Dr

Subject: Re: niacin for cholesterol??

Thanks ,

Yes I agree I always buy from Dr. .I was going to have just

my

husband do this but I think I am going to give it a shot too.I have to

say I need

no more hot flashes due to Menopause at 38 oops someone is screwing with

my

hormones,(hee hee) . So whats with the vitamin c thing with the niacin?

Regards,

Cher

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 01:06:27 EDT, Yorkieblu2@... wrote in

<1ee.109c9d77.2cabbad3@...>:

>Cher.....you poor thing....It is sssooooooo boring constantly hearing about

>women who worry more about their husbands than they deserve. It's worse

>than dealing with a child.......a VERY small child at that. If he doesn't

want

>to care for his body.....just keep his life insurance paid up. THE END!

Wow, that's brutal.

Isn't there more in a loving husband to be saved, than the little

portion of his brain which might be working not precisely enough?

If a man and a woman " become one flesh " by marriage, why is it not

allowed for her to supply that piece of thinking for him?

Isn't he, on the other hand, taking care of her car - which would

run out of oil any day if he didn't do the thinking for her?

Doesn't teamwork mean that each member of the team does for the

whole team what s/he does best?

I am not going to the point of force-feeding dark green leafy

vegetables into my husband's belly, but I do keep flowing informations

in his direction which I think should be sufficient to keep him from

forgetting about the whole health matter.

And yes, I worry about his health, because of all the dear things

which depend on it.

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

[Guest guest]

,

Yes I have done almost her whole book but the liver cleanse ,I am nerouse

about that. I had H.E.L.L.P Syndrome when I was pregnant with my son and my

liver was so enlarged it was pushing up against my lungs .So I am a little

nervouse about that one. Nothing brought it back . Thanks for asking. Have a

great

day.

Regards,

Cher

[Guest guest]

See attached file for the recipe. The file has been checked for viruses so

its ok.

Marjorie

[Guest guest]

It sounds like the liver cleanse is exactly what you need.... It needs

help releasing the toxins it is holding enwrapped in " stones " ......

This is easy to do and sounds like it could be really really important

for you... Joy

>

> Yes I have done almost her whole book but the liver cleanse ,I am

> nerouse

> about that. I had H.E.L.L.P Syndrome when I was pregnant with my son and my

> liver was so enlarged it was pushing up against my lungs .

[Guest guest]

Oh, boy, Cher, I couldn't agree more. Over the past two decades in

practice, I have watched so many women lose their health taking care of

a sick husband. And many of these women made an effort through the

years to take care of their own health. But years of dealing with a

sick man took its toll, even on the healthy ones.

My dear sweet Dad submitted to all my Mother's health care through the

years, most of the time agreeably :-) Four years ago at the age of 88,

he felt a little faint, so on the way home from work (they both own

their own businesses), he asked my Mother to stop by the hospital and he

walked in and of course they knew he was having a heart attack. 3 days

later he slipped away. The doctors said he heart had just worn out. But

he was on no drugs and totally healthy to that day. He even spared my

Mother the horror of a collapse and an ambulance ride.

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Re: niacin for cholesterol??

Cher.....you poor thing....It is sssooooooo boring constantly hearing

about

women who worry more about their husbands than they deserve. It's

worse

than dealing with a child.......a VERY small child at that. If he

doesn't want

to care for his body.....just keep his life insurance paid up. THE

END!

rae

[Guest guest]

>>>>If a man and a woman " become one flesh " by marriage, why is it not

allowed for her to supply that piece of thinking for him?<<<<

Absolutely, that's what my Mother did BUT, so many men won't agree.

They eat themselves into obesity and won't go to the doctor, well,

that's good if it's an M.D. but they won't even go to the dang

Chiropractor. I can't tell you how many men through the years that went

onto surgery, that could have been saved if they'd just come in sooner.

And others who if they just ate right, would avoid so many diseases. I

don't see the opposite as often, but I do see it. And it's just as bad

to see the man suffer because the wife has trashed her health.

Re: niacin for cholesterol??

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 01:06:27 EDT, Yorkieblu2@... wrote in

<1ee.109c9d77.2cabbad3@...>:

>Cher.....you poor thing....It is sssooooooo boring constantly hearing

about

>women who worry more about their husbands than they deserve. It's

worse

>than dealing with a child.......a VERY small child at that. If he

doesn't want

>to care for his body.....just keep his life insurance paid up. THE

END!

Wow, that's brutal.

Isn't there more in a loving husband to be saved, than the little

portion of his brain which might be working not precisely enough?

If a man and a woman " become one flesh " by marriage, why is it not

allowed for her to supply that piece of thinking for him?

Isn't he, on the other hand, taking care of her car - which would

run out of oil any day if he didn't do the thinking for her?

Doesn't teamwork mean that each member of the team does for the

whole team what s/he does best?

I am not going to the point of force-feeding dark green leafy

vegetables into my husband's belly, but I do keep flowing informations

in his direction which I think should be sufficient to keep him from

forgetting about the whole health matter.

And yes, I worry about his health, because of all the dear things

which depend on it.

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

[Guest guest]

,

I am so sad to here your story aboout your parents. How gracious he was

when he passed. How is your momma doing ?

Regards,

Cher