Re: niacin for cholesterol??

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Joy ,

How many Liver cleanses have you done so far? I just could not bring

myself to do it.Through alot of research I have also read some negative as well.

Have you had any discomfort with the cleanse?

Regards,

Cher

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Hey where do you purchase your Niacin.? just curious.

Regards,

Cher

P.S. I think I should do typing 101 again. I just can not type lately lol

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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:08:12 EDT, cherspunky1@... wrote in

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> How many Liver cleanses have you done so far? I just could not bring

>myself to do it.Through alot of research I have also read some negative as

well.

>Have you had any discomfort with the cleanse?

I have done many, and no problems at all.

Not eating anything for several hours, and sitting on the WC

most of the morning after taking the second two glasses of

bitter salt maybe comes under " discomfort " , but the sight of

so many highly visible gallstones, which you know have jammed

your bile system, is an immediate reward.

I had an ultrasound recently and it was noted that, at the age

of 49, my bile tubes are not dilated - which I assume

they would be if they were full of gallstones.

I am not a doctor, but I could imagine that any system in the

body which is jammed cannot work properly?!

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:30:43 -0400, DrCrandall wrote in

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>

>>>>>If a man and a woman " become one flesh " by marriage, why is it not

>allowed for her to supply that piece of thinking for him?<<<<

>

>Absolutely, that's what my Mother did BUT, so many men won't agree.

>They eat themselves into obesity and won't go to the doctor, well,

>that's good if it's an M.D. but they won't even go to the dang

>Chiropractor. I can't tell you how many men through the years that went

>onto surgery, that could have been saved if they'd just come in sooner.

>And others who if they just ate right, would avoid so many diseases. I

>don't see the opposite as often, but I do see it. And it's just as bad

>to see the man suffer because the wife has trashed her health.

I can imagine that such scenarios happen where men (not only

husbands) suffer from intelligence deficiency :-)

Or from notorious " have to oppose my wife " disease (like I had it

in my second marriage).

Sometimes it helps to suggest the opposite of what one really wants :-))

If it is just a dislike of certain foods (where have I seen that

just recently...), friendly reminders should result in a kind of

eating training that makes life longer and, even more important,

makes age less uncomfortable.

A mental aspect might be part of it. Maybe a person doesn't really

look forward to a long life because present time has too much

stress or too little joy for them. Instead of making the mental

effort to optimize his life circumstances, they go into self-

sabotage with the hidden hope to " escape " into an earlier death.

It's not only men who do it. I have watched my mother happily

dying from cancer, telling everybody that it was her bad marriage

which brought her the cancer, instead of fighting the disease and

shaping her life the way she wanted it. (I still cry sometimes

because I encountered the work of Dr. too late to help

my mummy... but it did save my dear husband.)

A good amount of mental work should always go with any medical

approach, both school and alternative medicine.

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:24:17 -0400, DrCrandall wrote in

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>My dear sweet Dad submitted to all my Mother's health care through the

>years, most of the time agreeably :-) Four years ago at the age of 88,

>he felt a little faint, so on the way home from work (they both own

>their own businesses), he asked my Mother to stop by the hospital and he

>walked in and of course they knew he was having a heart attack. 3 days

>later he slipped away. The doctors said he heart had just worn out. But

>he was on no drugs and totally healthy to that day.

That's what I hope for myself and my family! It comes right after

living forever :-))

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

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Thanks! Momma is doing fine. My folks had talked about who would go

first and she said that my dad...after a very long pause, when she said

she probably would said, in his dry sense of humor way: 'well, that

would be a dirty trick'. He said one time that he married her because

he could see that she would take good care of him and he knew he needed

that. And she did and he let her and they were absolutely in love to

his end. Truly a 50's marriage. Here's a website for those who might

need a reminder of what that was and still could be:

http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/artman/publish/

, putting on flame suit and ducking :-)

Re: niacin for cholesterol??

,

I am so sad to here your story aboout your parents. How gracious he

was

when he passed. How is your momma doing ?

Regards,

Cher

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When I decided to take it a few days ago, I went digging around to see

if I had any and there was some from Dr. . Hers is only 25 mg so

if I buy it again I'll buy it from one of my professional vendors.

But....here are some brands that I think are reliable: Solgar, Nature's

Plus, and Enzymatic Therapy.

Please chime in with other suggestions and if the brands above are not

so good, I'd like to know that also.

Re: niacin for cholesterol??

Hey ,

Hey where do you purchase your Niacin.? just curious.

Regards,

Cher

P.S. I think I should do typing 101 again. I just can not type lately

lol

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<<<A mental aspect might be part of it. Maybe a person doesn't really

look forward to a long life because present time has too much

stress or too little joy for them. Instead of making the mental

effort to optimize his life circumstances, they go into self-

sabotage with the hidden hope to " escape " into an earlier death.>>>>>

I have seen this in my practice, just on the level of not wanting to be

relieved of back pain because they can use it to get out of things:

" oh, honey, I can't go to your Mother's for dinner tonight, my back is

killing me " or older people that really have nothing else to talk about

except their aches and pains. And, you know, I'm finally after all

these years able, some of the time :-), to stand back and let them be.

<<<<It's not only men who do it. I have watched my mother happily

dying from cancer, telling everybody that it was her bad marriage

which brought her the cancer, instead of fighting the disease and

shaping her life the way she wanted it. (I still cry sometimes

because I encountered the work of Dr. too late to help

my mummy... but it did save my dear husband.)>>>>>

I'm so sad for you and your Mother but you know, a lot of frustration on

you and your Mother was probably saved. I've glimpsed this with some of

my patients' families who don't want to hear about non-toxic cancer

cures. They go through the 3 to 6 months that it takes for the drug

cartel to kill their loved one and then they can go on with their lives.

It sounds so cold on my part but I've really gotten a feeling for that

recently. The non-toxic cures do work but can be prolonged and require

a huge lifestyle change, something people just can't put their trust in,

if they haven't known about it before the illness is diagnosed.

I would love to hear your husband's story. I need that kind of

encouragement when I'm trying to talk others into staying alive.

[Guest guest]

>>>> That's what I hope for myself and my family! It comes right after

living forever :-)) Heidrun Beer <<<<

Me, too, but I'm still looking for a wife like my mommy LOL!!!!!!!!!! I

have to say though, my husband is pretty good. 30+ years ago, he would

not allow our son to have vaccinations. I knew nothing about it but he

sure did!! I really, really hate it though when he says: 'you're not

going to eat the whole candy bar, are you?' Hey, it's organic

chocolate, check out this vendor:

www.denmanislandchocolate.com

Double yum and I give most of them away, REALLY!!! I say that because

you have to order a case of 24 bars <shucks> Be sure to read the

family's history, very interesting.

P.S. Heidrun: my spellchecker wants to change your name to 'Headroom,

Hairdo, or Humdrum' <:-)> What nationality is it? And how do you

pronounce it?

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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:21:04 -0400, DrCrandall wrote in

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>check out this vendor:

>

>www.denmanislandchocolate.com

Ooohhhh... did they manage to make it free of calories? :-))

>Double yum and I give most of them away, REALLY!!!

No problem, I just need to hide them in my usual chocolate

hiding place, which my kids found out about, and leave my office

unlocked...

>I say that because

>you have to order a case of 24 bars <shucks> Be sure to read the

>family's history, very interesting.

Nice career! However, after reading through 70 printed pages of

glycemic index numbers, I found out that chocolate without

filling is better for people like me, whose calory balance should

be negative for the next few years :-))

I happen to like pure dark chocolate. But I am also proud

that I manage to " forget " about it on most days of the week.

>P.S. Heidrun: my spellchecker wants to change your name to 'Headroom,

>Hairdo, or Humdrum' <:-)> What nationality is it? And how do you

>pronounce it?

It's old-style German, pre-Christian, the type of name which became

modern again 70 years ago. Sadly, my parents were heavily into

these names. We have a Heidrun, Dietlind, Volker, Edmund (that one

is modern, after my grandfather), Herwig, Helga (also less wildly

old), Dietmar, Hartmut, Mechthild. My mother was a Sieglinde. But I

do see each of these names occasionally in newspapers.

The pronounciation of Heidrun is hai-droon in english notation.

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:07:41 -0400, DrCrandall wrote in

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>I have seen this in my practice, just on the level of not wanting to be

>relieved of back pain because they can use it to get out of things:

> " oh, honey, I can't go to your Mother's for dinner tonight, my back is

>killing me " or older people that really have nothing else to talk about

>except their aches and pains. And, you know, I'm finally after all

>these years able, some of the time :-), to stand back and let them be.

That means to punish newer patients for your disappointments

with the earlier ones. I would give each of them a new chance,

even knowing how most will react.

>I would love to hear your husband's story. I need that kind of

>encouragement when I'm trying to talk others into staying alive.

I asked him to write up his story himself, he has a unique way

of writing :-))

If he doesn't find the time, I'll write it up.

He was most interesting in surviving, because we found the cancer

immediately after getting together (a late marriage, he was 62),

so we simply had to have some more quality time!

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

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Cher, I've done many, many over the last years. Twenty or so some five

years back, kept doing them till I got no more stones. Then symptoms

began to recur this past year, and am on second round of doing them till

the stones are gone. Probably 30 or so total now. I've had no discomfort.

Read the info on http://www..com - best source for giving the

specific rundown on how to do this without any discomfort. BIG clue is

to do the parasite cleanse first, as described in her books and on the

site. If you haven't effectively cleared the parasites first, there

will be discomfort. I got pretty sick the one time I tried the flush

without first clearing the parasites - first time around. Many liver

cleanse regimens do not include adequate parasite cleanses first, and

this is a major cause of some of the negative info out there about

discomfort. The only thing I feel during a flush is a little trail of

the stones leaving... doesn't hurt, just an odd sensation. I do get

diarhea for a day or so after each flush, but that clears up

immediately, is just part of the process, natural result of the epsom

salts which relax the ducts enough so there is no pain. Many people

ASSUME there will be pain, not ever having tried it themselves - many

health professionals in fact. If you follow the protocal as Dr.

describes, there is no pain, only a day of diarhea. Joy

cherspunky1@... wrote:

> Joy ,

>

> How many Liver cleanses have you done so far? I just could not bring

> myself to do it.Through alot of research I have also read some negative

> as well.

> Have you had any discomfort with the cleanse?

>

[Guest guest]

thank-you Joy!

Sara Joy <sarajoy@...> wrote:Cher, I've done many, many over the last

years. Twenty or so some five

years back, kept doing them till I got no more stones. Then symptoms

began to recur this past year, and am on second round of doing them till

the stones are gone. Probably 30 or so total now. I've had no discomfort.

Read the info on http://www..com - best source for giving the

specific rundown on how to do this without any discomfort. BIG clue is

to do the parasite cleanse first, as described in her books and on the

site. If you haven't effectively cleared the parasites first, there

will be discomfort. I got pretty sick the one time I tried the flush

without first clearing the parasites - first time around. Many liver

cleanse regimens do not include adequate parasite cleanses first, and

this is a major cause of some of the negative info out there about

discomfort. The only thing I feel during a flush is a little trail of

the stones leaving... doesn't hurt, just an odd sensation. I do get

diarhea for a day or so after each flush, but that clears up

immediately, is just part of the process, natural result of the epsom

salts which relax the ducts enough so there is no pain. Many people

ASSUME there will be pain, not ever having tried it themselves - many

health professionals in fact. If you follow the protocal as Dr.

describes, there is no pain, only a day of diarhea. Joy

cherspunky1@... wrote:

> Joy ,

>

> How many Liver cleanses have you done so far? I just could not bring

> myself to do it.Through alot of research I have also read some negative

> as well.

> Have you had any discomfort with the cleanse?

>

[Guest guest]

>>>> That means to punish newer patients for your disappointments

with the earlier ones. I would give each of them a new chance,

even knowing how most will react <<<<

Oh, wow, you are so right!!! I have yet to say absolutely nothing but

I've been trying to get to that point. THANK YOU for saying this!!

Maybe that's why it's been so hard to say nothing, it IS the wrong thing

to do. All my future patients thank you too :-)

Very interesting names in your family. I'm from the Midwest so when I

moved east, I was intrigued by all the ethnic names.

I look forward to your husband's story. And congrats on your marriage.

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:30:49 -0400, DrCrandall wrote in

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> >>>> That means to punish newer patients for your disappointments

>with the earlier ones. I would give each of them a new chance,

>even knowing how most will react <<<<

>

>Oh, wow, you are so right!!! I have yet to say absolutely nothing but

>I've been trying to get to that point. THANK YOU for saying this!!

>Maybe that's why it's been so hard to say nothing, it IS the wrong thing

>to do. All my future patients thank you too :-)

Wow from me too! I hesitated before I wrote these lines, exactly

for the same reason - being bashed too much. But one in 10 or 20

will be ready, and grateful, for a helpful remark. You will see

by the response whether your recommendations are welcome (people

are ready for them) or not! Like I just did :-))

>Very interesting names in your family. I'm from the Midwest so when I

>moved east, I was intrigued by all the ethnic names.

>

>I look forward to your husband's story. And congrats on your marriage.

Thank you! We celebrated our 5th wedding anniversary this year,

on the 11th September. Imagine our shock when on the 3rd anniversary

they blew up the twin towers instead of doing something nice

and pretty!

BTW my husband is . He just reposted his old texts from

the BashHulda newsgroup for you to get a little insight into his

story.

In a nutshell, he went for a complete hospital check after

being diagnosed with lung cancer by a bioresonance test, done by

a lady who has studied Dr. but uses the kinesiology muscle

test instead of the syncrometer. In the 11 days he had to wait for

a CT appointment, he did the parasite cure, and when he showed up

in hospital for the tests, they couldn't find any cancer.

I don't think that even one of the bashers ever congratulated

him for getting rid of the cancer! Their viewpoint is that he never

had cancer in the first place. But the parasite treatment was the

very moment where his rapid weight loss stopped (that was what got

me alarmed so that I started investigating - I had seen my mother

waste away to nothing), and in the two months after the parasite

treatment he gained 5 kilo (11 pounds)!

I don't want to even start explaining the spiritual perception

I had, because nothing can prove these. For me it was so real that

I could have grabbed it with my hands. There was a presence in his

body which had a dangerous emanation. Like some predator with the

intention to devour him. A hard, slick and shiny energy wave pattern.

The body reacted to the parasite treatment within a week or so -

that's where the weight loss stopped. But this dangerous presence

was there for a whole year longer. It disappeared gradually. Now

it is gone so thoroughly that I sometimes doubt the reality of

the whole cancer story myself?!?!?

But on some other newsgroup, was told that there are always remains

visible on an old cancer site. Well, I have a new control tomography

here. I quote it in german, I hope you can understand, as it is mostly

latin anyway: he has " fibrozirrhotische, postpneunomische,

pleurapulmonale Residuen links

basal " .

Would that count as a cancer " scar " ?

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

[Guest guest]

Oh!! So you're 's wife, howdy do :-) I've been reading his posts

with interest and admire his spunk for trying to get the word out to Dr.

's bashers. Like you say, if just a few get it, then it's worth

the hassle.

That parasite cleanse is powerful stuff.

I loved 's 'lab test' and 'cat scan' joke. I really LOL. I'd never

heard it before, amazing with all the jokes sent around the net, that

one hasn't made it into my box!!

<<<< " fibrozirrhotische, postpneunomische,

pleurapulmonale Residuen links

basal " . >>>>

Hmmm, let's see, 'fibro' muscle....'post' after....'pneuno'

lung?..'pleura'....lung lining....'pulmo' lung again...'basal' root.

Was it lung cancer? I can't remember what he said. I'd say the post and

basal is most encouraging...it's gone! As you know.

I have a personal relationship with Jesus so believe in demons. That

must have been pretty scary.

Amazing this email will find its way to Austria, I just shake my head

these days.

Re: niacin for cholesterol??

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:30:49 -0400, DrCrandall wrote in

<001401c3893d$376a0050$75374b43@CPQ47403191915>:

> >>>> That means to punish newer patients for your disappointments

>with the earlier ones. I would give each of them a new chance,

>even knowing how most will react <<<<

>

>Oh, wow, you are so right!!! I have yet to say absolutely nothing but

>I've been trying to get to that point. THANK YOU for saying this!!

>Maybe that's why it's been so hard to say nothing, it IS the wrong

thing

>to do. All my future patients thank you too :-)

Wow from me too! I hesitated before I wrote these lines, exactly

for the same reason - being bashed too much. But one in 10 or 20

will be ready, and grateful, for a helpful remark. You will see

by the response whether your recommendations are welcome (people

are ready for them) or not! Like I just did :-))

>Very interesting names in your family. I'm from the Midwest so when I

>moved east, I was intrigued by all the ethnic names.

>

>I look forward to your husband's story. And congrats on your marriage.

Thank you! We celebrated our 5th wedding anniversary this year,

on the 11th September. Imagine our shock when on the 3rd anniversary

they blew up the twin towers instead of doing something nice

and pretty!

BTW my husband is . He just reposted his old texts from

the BashHulda newsgroup for you to get a little insight into his

story.

In a nutshell, he went for a complete hospital check after

being diagnosed with lung cancer by a bioresonance test, done by

a lady who has studied Dr. but uses the kinesiology muscle

test instead of the syncrometer. In the 11 days he had to wait for

a CT appointment, he did the parasite cure, and when he showed up

in hospital for the tests, they couldn't find any cancer.

I don't think that even one of the bashers ever congratulated

him for getting rid of the cancer! Their viewpoint is that he never

had cancer in the first place. But the parasite treatment was the

very moment where his rapid weight loss stopped (that was what got

me alarmed so that I started investigating - I had seen my mother

waste away to nothing), and in the two months after the parasite

treatment he gained 5 kilo (11 pounds)!

I don't want to even start explaining the spiritual perception

I had, because nothing can prove these. For me it was so real that

I could have grabbed it with my hands. There was a presence in his

body which had a dangerous emanation. Like some predator with the

intention to devour him. A hard, slick and shiny energy wave pattern.

The body reacted to the parasite treatment within a week or so -

that's where the weight loss stopped. But this dangerous presence

was there for a whole year longer. It disappeared gradually. Now

it is gone so thoroughly that I sometimes doubt the reality of

the whole cancer story myself?!?!?

But on some other newsgroup, was told that there are always remains

visible on an old cancer site. Well, I have a new control tomography

here. I quote it in german, I hope you can understand, as it is mostly

latin anyway: he has " fibrozirrhotische, postpneunomische,

pleurapulmonale Residuen links

basal " .

Would that count as a cancer " scar " ?

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at