Re: Real proof alternative therapies work

[Guest guest]

jonah@... writes:

> Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has hundreds of

> testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our thoughts to

> help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out of

> business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE proof and

> testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

> melville ;-)

>

A runs A's site, *not* Dr. s.

You might hurt yourself with those testimonials. And they have not been

evaluated by the FDA. And. Dr. 's method as you put it has not been

" proven " as defined by the conspirators.

To provide you with what you ask, the person runs a great risk, in this

" free " society.

I doubt you'll get it.

Khepri

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In a message dated 2/26/03 9:31:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jonah@... writes:

> Dear Khepri;

> I find this a rather cryptic message and hard to understand..

That's okay, I'm used to it...: )

What possible risk does anyone face by declaring that they've been healed by

one > method or another unless they are being untruthful and even then there's

> little risk that anyone would be harmed..

An individual can declare it all they want without much fear of retribution

from the powers that be.....it is in the accumulating of those testimonies

and in the offering of them to the general public that the " conspirators "

find fault, especially when the one offering the testimaonies is selling a

product related to those testimonies....ala A, ala SOTA

Instruments......

If I knew for sure that I'd been healed; I would speak up; as we DO LIVE

IN A FREE

> SOCIETY and it is only your type of fear that can cause us to lose that

> freedom..

LOL!!!! I think you are missing the point.....The first amendment gives us

the right to voice our experiences......collecting those and offering them to

the public draws the attention of the FTC and cronies.....hell, they are

already watching this newsgroup and we know that.....: )

Don't get me wrong, but we've had people named Meliville show up here before

*demanding* proof and they turned out to be nothing more than plants from the

" other side " ....so when someone like you shows up yet again demanding

testimonials yet again.....well....you get where you question those peoples

motives after a while....

As for SOTA Instruments....hell, all they did was LINK to a site that had

testimonies posted related to a product they were selling to get them hauled

into COURT.....

Some types of fear were designed for survival Melville.....think about it.

Khepri

> melville

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone;

This message is to all of those who have used alternative methods of healing

cancer, and who can stand up and say " I'VE BEEN HEALED " ..or... " I TRIED THIS

METHOD AND IT'S B.S. " ..My particular case is in regards to Drs method which

I'm sure all of you are awares of; but my challenge goes out to all of you..I am

another cancer " fighter " who has a hard time coming by " testimonials " that

convince me that Dr's theory regarding her cure for cancer, is as " sure a

thing " as it's made out to be..I can really only go by my own " testimony " which

is this.. I have completed the parasite cleanse; the Kidney cleanse and 1 liver

cleanse and I am feeling great..Before I came on to Dr's program; the

tumours on the floor of my mouth were very aggressive and " angry " ..What I mean

is that they were so painful that I had to keep myself loaded up with T3's just

to get through the night..I would wake up in the wee hours of the morning and

have to do more pain killers and sleeping pills to get any rest at all.

About ten days after being on the program; I experienced an increase of

energy and a healing of those tumours that convinced me that I was on the right

track and that Dr's parasite cleanse was totally responsible for increased

health and a dramatic decrease in the pain to the tumours and their very

aggressive growth..So here I am; convinced enough to have told other friends

about it, and I've seen changes in their health as well as mine..Still we are

left with the question as to " Where are these cancer survivors " ; who should be

screaming from the mountain tops about their miraculous healing? Why are you

folks not speaking out? I don't get it.. ;-( When I can finally say that I'm

cured; you'll see me walking up and down in front of some cancer clinic;

declaring the " good news " ..Alright???

Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has hundreds of

testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our thoughts to help

Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out of business..OK

DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE proof and testimonies that will

make everyone sit up and take notice..

melville ;-)

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Hi.

Just recently joined this group. I have been diagnosed with metasticized

colon cancer (currently in my lymphatic system).

I have read much on alternative therapy, and have become somewhat convinced

that it might work. One thing though: Almost all the literature I have read,

and persons I have spoken too are woefully low on testimonials. I have yet

to speak or communicate to a single person who actually walked away from a

terminal diagnosis.

My question to the group: Are you all deluding yourselves (and, me). Can

anyone state credibly and honestly that they know (firsthand) persons who

HAVE survived cancer by following an alternative medicine regime? THIS would

satisfy me that maybe there's a chance. Short of this REAL evidence, I don't

think any self respecting person can hold out hope for alternative

therapies.

Don't get me wrong: I am following an alternative regime. But I need to have

real PROOF that it CAN work.

Can anyone out there provide this??

Thank you. Ernie

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone;

This message is to all of those who have used alternative methods of healing

cancer, and who can stand up and say " I'VE BEEN HEALED " ..or... " I TRIED THIS

METHOD AND IT'S B.S. " ..My particular case is in regards to Drs method which

I'm sure all of you are awares of; but my challenge goes out to all of you..I am

another cancer " fighter " who has a hard time coming by " testimonials " that

convince me that Dr's theory regarding her cure for cancer, is as " sure a

thing " as it's made out to be..I can really only go by my own " testimony " which

is this.. I have completed the parasite cleanse; the Kidney cleanse and 1 liver

cleanse and I am feeling great..Before I came on to Dr's program; the

tumours on the floor of my mouth were very aggressive and " angry " ..What I mean

is that they were so painful that I had to keep myself loaded up with T3's just

to get through the night..I would wake up in the wee hours of the morning and

have to do more pain killers and sleeping pills to get any rest at all.

About ten days after being on the program; I experienced an increase of

energy and a healing of those tumours that convinced me that I was on the right

track and that Dr's parasite cleanse was totally responsible for increased

health and a dramatic decrease in the pain to the tumours and their very

aggressive growth..So here I am; convinced enough to have told other friends

about it, and I've seen changes in their health as well as mine..Still we are

left with the question as to " Where are these cancer survivors " ; who should be

screaming from the mountain tops about their miraculous healing? Why are you

folks not speaking out? I don't get it.. ;-( When I can finally say that I'm

cured; you'll see me walking up and down in front of some cancer clinic;

declaring the " good news " ..Alright???

Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has hundreds of

testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our thoughts to help

Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out of business..OK

DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE proof and testimonies that will

make everyone sit up and take notice..

melville ;-)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ]

Hi.

Just recently joined this group. I have been diagnosed with metasticized

colon cancer (currently in my lymphatic system).

I have read much on alternative therapy, and have become somewhat convinced

that it might work. One thing though: Almost all the literature I have read,

and persons I have spoken too are woefully low on testimonials. I have yet

to speak or communicate to a single person who actually walked away from a

terminal diagnosis.

My question to the group: Are you all deluding yourselves (and, me). Can

anyone state credibly and honestly that they know (firsthand) persons who

HAVE survived cancer by following an alternative medicine regime? THIS would

satisfy me that maybe there's a chance. Short of this REAL evidence, I don't

think any self respecting person can hold out hope for alternative

therapies.

Don't get me wrong: I am following an alternative regime. But I need to have

real PROOF that it CAN work.

Can anyone out there provide this??

Thank you. Ernie

[Guest guest]

Dean...about a year ago New Yorker magazine

did a big story on Dr. . After all was

said and done his hundreds of treated cases

resulted in 6 remissions (or " cures " ). He is

very expensive and he is rather eccentric. He

won't treat anyone who has had previous

chemo, radiation, or surgical cancer treatment.

He charges $500 for the initial interview besides thousands before one

can get started

on his monthly supply of medications that can

go on for years at over $6-700 a month. I am

aware that he received money from NCI to

prove his research...I believe it was $500,000.

I know most of the above from talking to his

office and receiving mailed info (besides what

I concluded from New Yorker).

I don't consider his results " real proof " .

As far as Dr. Kelley is concerned the two have

not talked in years. Kelley (a dentist) considers

a traiter for not sticking to his methods exactly. When I

asked Kelley for some referrels he said he lost all his records

when " the Jews " burned down his office years

ago in Dallas. I won't even go into his explanation of that statement.

There are, however, others in this group who have had

similar converstations with Kelley. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

Dear Khepri;

I find this a rather cryptic message and hard to understand..What possible risk

does anyone face by declaring that they've been healed by one method or another

unless they are being untruthful and even then there's little risk that anyone

would be harmed..If I knew for sure that I'd been healed; I would speak up; as

we DO LIVE IN A FREE SOCIETY and it is only your type of fear that can cause us

to lose that freedom..

melville

Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

jonah@... writes:

> Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has hundreds of

> testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our thoughts to

> help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out of

> business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE proof and

> testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

> melville ;-)

>

A runs A's site, *not* Dr. s.

You might hurt yourself with those testimonials. And they have not been

evaluated by the FDA. And. Dr. 's method as you put it has not been

" proven " as defined by the conspirators.

To provide you with what you ask, the person runs a great risk, in this

" free " society.

I doubt you'll get it.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Hi Mel,

I have a theory It's only a theory, and it's my theory, so no one else

has to agree that it's correct because it's only my theory. first the

question: Would cancer survivors in general stick around for long on a list

like this?

Actually, not too many people at all stick around on this or any other list.

It would be an interesting statistic to know the average time a person

remains a member of any list. It would be more pertinant to know how long

people remain a member of a list after they get the help they need and are

able to move on with their lives. After the fight of their lives, during

which they give all that they've got at great emotional and financial cost

their goal is probably to live a " normal " life for the years they have left.

It's usually the people who still have reserves of energy and emotional

strength that help those who don't. There are many survivors, but they are

mixed in with the rest of society and not concentrated in places like this

list.

What do you think about my theory?

Vince

>From: " Mel " <jonah@...>

>Reply-Dr

>< >

>CC: <Dr >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:53:34 -0800

>

>Hi everyone;

>This message is to all of those who have used alternative methods of

>healing cancer, and who can stand up and say " I'VE BEEN HEALED " ..or... " I

>TRIED THIS METHOD AND IT'S B.S. " ..My particular case is in regards to

>Drs method which I'm sure all of you are awares of; but my challenge

>goes out to all of you..I am another cancer " fighter " who has a hard time

>coming by " testimonials " that convince me that Dr's theory regarding

>her cure for cancer, is as " sure a thing " as it's made out to be..I can

>really only go by my own " testimony " which is this.. I have completed the

>parasite cleanse; the Kidney cleanse and 1 liver cleanse and I am feeling

>great..Before I came on to Dr's program; the tumours on the floor of

>my mouth were very aggressive and " angry " ..What I mean is that they were so

>painful that I had to keep myself loaded up with T3's just to get through

>the night..I would wake up in the wee hours of the morning and have to do

>more pain killers and sleeping pills to get any rest at all.

> About ten days after being on the program; I experienced an increase

>of energy and a healing of those tumours that convinced me that I was on

>the right track and that Dr's parasite cleanse was totally responsible

>for increased health and a dramatic decrease in the pain to the tumours and

>their very aggressive growth..So here I am; convinced enough to have told

>other friends about it, and I've seen changes in their health as well as

>mine..Still we are left with the question as to " Where are these cancer

>survivors " ; who should be screaming from the mountain tops about their

>miraculous healing? Why are you folks not speaking out? I don't get it..

>;-( When I can finally say that I'm cured; you'll see me walking up and

>down in front of some cancer clinic; declaring the " good news " ..Alright???

> Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has hundreds

>of testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our thoughts to

>help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out of

>business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE proof and

>testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

>melville ;-)

>

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did a pilot study of 11 patients with inoperable pancreatic cancer.

The results were as follows:

As of 12 January 1999, of 11 patients entered into the study, 9 (81%)

survived one year, 5 (45%) survived two years, and by 1999, 4 had survived

three years. Two patients are alive and doing well: one at three years and

the other at four years. These results are far above the 25% survival at

one year and 10% survival at two years for all stages of pancreatic

adenocarcinoma reported in the National Cancer Data Base from 1995.

These statistics are of course not perfect, but they are astonishing. Yes,

I suppose -- an M.D. -- would have to be a bit " eccentric " to fly

in the face of the cancer establishment and devote his life to a non-toxic

cancer therapy he believes in.

My understanding is that he charges a one-time fee of some $5,000 to set up

an individualized program, after which he is available for consultations at

no charge for a lifetime. The cost of his supplements is a few hundred

dollars a month. I can't imagine by what standard of comparison that would

be considered expensive. Please consider the cost of conventional oncology

services and drugs. Or what alternative clinics in Mexico charge.

It's true that Kelley now considers a traitor but, as you point

out, poor Kelley is no longer playing with a full deck.

If anyone knows of verifiable statistics better than these I would sure like

to know of them.

Dean

Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

Dean...about a year ago New Yorker magazine

did a big story on Dr. . After all was

said and done his hundreds of treated cases

resulted in 6 remissions (or " cures " ). He is

very expensive and he is rather eccentric. He

won't treat anyone who has had previous

chemo, radiation, or surgical cancer treatment.

He charges $500 for the initial interview besides thousands before one

can get started

on his monthly supply of medications that can

go on for years at over $6-700 a month. I am

aware that he received money from NCI to

prove his research...I believe it was $500,000.

I know most of the above from talking to his

office and receiving mailed info (besides what

I concluded from New Yorker).

I don't consider his results " real proof " .

As far as Dr. Kelley is concerned the two have

not talked in years. Kelley (a dentist) considers

a traiter for not sticking to his methods exactly. When I

asked Kelley for some referrels he said he lost all his records

when " the Jews " burned down his office years

ago in Dallas. I won't even go into his explanation of that statement.

There are, however, others in this group who have had

similar converstations with Kelley. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

This is one of the purposes of the Alternatives for Special Kids Conference,

bringing alternatives to the forefront for children with special needs. We will

have 104 speakers, 300 presentations, and more than 65 workshops.

Darien Small

www.4healthykids.org

-- Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

>

[Guest guest]

I cannot say that i have been " cured " of cancer by alternative

therapies. I can say, however, that the Drs. at the Albuquerque VAMC

are scratching their heads and wondering why i am not dead, as they had

predicted if i did not allow them to remove my rectum and anus and zap

me with radiation. They haven't a clue as to how it is possible that my

tumor is still approximately the same size as it was when it was

discovered during a colonoscopy almost two years ago. Almost one year

after the discovery, the nurse practitioner that conducts my exams

every three months said " whatever you are doing, keep it up. "

I have tried several different alternative therapies, some of which

didn't work at all, some of which were too expensive for me to continue

and another which required taking 28 grams of vitamin C and 24 grams of

L-Lysine per day which my body finally rebelled against. Right now i am

on my 23rd day of the Budwig diet and come of my bodily functions that

were becoming difficult to control are coming back under control, while

the tumor seems to be shrinking. I am also receiving twice-weekly

accupuncture sessions which seem to help.

Thanks to and another on this list, the tumor actually

disappeared at one time but i could not afford to continue the required

supplements and it came back. Sooooo, like i said, i cannot say that

alternative methods have " cured " my cancer, but i CAN say that they

have kept me alive well beyond orthodox medicine's predictions (And my

a** is still intact!).

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

It has recently been discovered

that research causes cancer in rats.

[Guest guest]

~~~~~~Hmmmm..You say it's only your theory? Hahahaha ;-D~~~~~~~

I don't suppose that the " victors " over cancer would stick around too long, but

their testimonies would be on here somewhere; wouldn't they? Maybe we should let

everyone know that if they have experienced " victory " then they could post it in

such a way as that it's very obvious..It's also importatnt that we are aware of

" defeat " as well..and what program was implicated..Perhaps I'm simply looking in

the wrong place to find the encouragement that I need..However; I do love the

people on here and on Cancercured and have been spending many happy and very

informative hours; that have benefitted me to no end..I've even enjoyed some of

our theological debates or " excusions " and can appreciate that quoting

scriptures might " upset " some people..However I've only heard one complaint and

that from a " moderator " which I find rather disconcerting..Other than that (one

complaint); I've received many " off line " messages that are the foundations of

new friendships blooming into existance..

melville ;-)

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Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

Hi Mel,

I have a theory It's only a theory, and it's my theory, so no one else

has to agree that it's correct because it's only my theory. first the

question: Would cancer survivors in general stick around for long on a list

like this?

Actually, not too many people at all stick around on this or any other list.

It would be an interesting statistic to know the average time a person

remains a member of any list. It would be more pertinant to know how long

people remain a member of a list after they get the help they need and are

able to move on with their lives. After the fight of their lives, during

which they give all that they've got at great emotional and financial cost

their goal is probably to live a " normal " life for the years they have left.

It's usually the people who still have reserves of energy and emotional

strength that help those who don't. There are many survivors, but they are

mixed in with the rest of society and not concentrated in places like this

list.

What do you think about my theory?

Vince

[Guest guest]

~~~~~~Hmmmm..You say it's only your theory? Hahahaha ;-D~~~~~~~

I don't suppose that the " victors " over cancer would stick around too long, but

their testimonies would be on here somewhere; wouldn't they? Maybe we should let

everyone know that if they have experienced " victory " then they could post it in

such a way as that it's very obvious..It's also importatnt that we are aware of

" defeat " as well..and what program was implicated..Perhaps I'm simply looking in

the wrong place to find the encouragement that I need..However; I do love the

people on here and on Cancercured and have been spending many happy and very

informative hours; that have benefitted me to no end..I've even enjoyed some of

our theological debates or " excusions " and can appreciate that quoting

scriptures might " upset " some people..However I've only heard one complaint and

that from a " moderator " which I find rather disconcerting..Other than that (one

complaint); I've received many " off line " messages that are the foundations of

new friendships blooming into existance..

melville ;-)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

Hi Mel,

I have a theory It's only a theory, and it's my theory, so no one else

has to agree that it's correct because it's only my theory. first the

question: Would cancer survivors in general stick around for long on a list

like this?

Actually, not too many people at all stick around on this or any other list.

It would be an interesting statistic to know the average time a person

remains a member of any list. It would be more pertinant to know how long

people remain a member of a list after they get the help they need and are

able to move on with their lives. After the fight of their lives, during

which they give all that they've got at great emotional and financial cost

their goal is probably to live a " normal " life for the years they have left.

It's usually the people who still have reserves of energy and emotional

strength that help those who don't. There are many survivors, but they are

mixed in with the rest of society and not concentrated in places like this

list.

What do you think about my theory?

Vince

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:56:23 EST, khepri3@... wrote:

>In a message dated 2/26/03 9:31:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>jonah@... writes:

>

>> Dear Khepri;

>> I find this a rather cryptic message and hard to understand..

>

>

>That's okay, I'm used to it...: )

>

>

>What possible risk does anyone face by declaring that they've been healed by

>one > method or another unless they are being untruthful and even then there's

>> little risk that anyone would be harmed..

>

> An individual can declare it all they want without much fear of retribution

>from the powers that be.....it is in the accumulating of those testimonies

>and in the offering of them to the general public that the " conspirators "

>find fault, especially when the one offering the testimaonies is selling a

>product related to those testimonies....ala A, ala SOTA

>Instruments......

>

>

> If I knew for sure that I'd been healed; I would speak up; as we DO LIVE

>IN A FREE

>> SOCIETY and it is only your type of fear that can cause us to lose that

>> freedom..

>

>LOL!!!! I think you are missing the point.....The first amendment gives us

>the right to voice our experiences......collecting those and offering them to

>the public draws the attention of the FTC and cronies.....hell, they are

>already watching this newsgroup and we know that.....: )

>

>Don't get me wrong, but we've had people named Meliville show up here before

>*demanding* proof and they turned out to be nothing more than plants from the

> " other side " ....so when someone like you shows up yet again demanding

>testimonials yet again.....well....you get where you question those peoples

>motives after a while....

>

>As for SOTA Instruments....hell, all they did was LINK to a site that had

>testimonies posted related to a product they were selling to get them hauled

>into COURT.....

>

>Some types of fear were designed for survival Melville.....think about it.

>

>Khepri

>

>

>

>> melville

>>

>

>

Hello to all! You are the survivers of illness, especially cancer.

Don't touch that delete. Read my storey.

Four years and ninety days ago I had cancer in my lungs. My

village doctor looked at me and sent me to Vienna to visit the

Oncology clinic. In Austria it is world famous. The boss doctor

pulled all the strings he could and got me an appointment for

tests in twelve days time. There is a rule about cancer in the

world of evidence based medicine that goes something like

this:

EARLY DETECTION IS THE KEY IN FIGHTING CANCER.

Early detection IS the key in fighting cancer. See your doctor

if one or more of the following symptoms lasts longer than

two weeks.

1. Unusual bleeding or discharge.

2. A sore that does not heal.

3. A change in a wart or mole.

4. A lump or thickening in the breast or else-where.

5. A change in bowel or bladder habits.

6. Nagging cough or hoarseness.

7. Indigestion or difficulty in swallowing.

I think there are about ten or twenty of these symptoms but you

get the idea, if you have, say, a sudden unexplained wieght loss

or something get yourself down to the village Doctor, it may be

that a pill will help you or it may be cancer.

( Certain so-called Evidence Based Medicine Men keep track of what

I say on the net so you will see a posting today screaming " You

are not cured of cancer, you didn't have cancer in the first place, you

don't have one shred of evidence, prove it, prove it, PROVE IT, you

are not from this planet, go home, alien)

Anyhoo, I came home and a Natur Praxis from Vienna drove out 90

kilometers ( would a doctor do that? ) and did resonance, Kinesiology

and I don't know what else. I was started on Dr. s protocals the

same evening and when I went for my medical tests twelve days later

they found no traces of cancer. Everything was pretty much normal

for a man in his mid 60's.

The two chief oncologists interviewed or intererrogated me for about

twenty minutes because I did not look or sound or act like I was dying

of cancer. They knew I had it but couldn't accept that it was gone. I

couldn't give them any details since I had not read any of Dr. s

books at that time. Now I have a collection of her books. Ask me a

question. I can find the answer in her books.

A while later I joined an E-mail list called Bash Hulda and another called

Healthfraud at Quackwatch. This is enemy territory. Don't go there or

the alligators will get you. They are possibly the most irrational people

on the net with the exception of the nut cases on rec. gardens. roses.

They argue that what they call Alternative Medicine is dangerous. I point

out to them that there are more than half a million cancer deaths a year

in the USA ( God Bless America! ) and they say thats not important, .

We have these arguments back and forth with no one changing a point

of view or conceding that the other may be right. I am as bad as they

are. I am alive to waste your time reading this stuff because of Dr. s

protocols/ you didn't have cancer in the first place,. It is all insane.

Here is the truth. There are less than a hundred so-called Evidence Based

Medicine Men on the net. Visit Misc. Health. Alt. or whatever it is and watch

Jan Drew handle a dozen or so critics that contribute nothing but a stream

of insults and accusations of lies etc, etc. Seven years or more of medical

training and they babble like insane people. Its hilarious. Way to go Jan!

So what can you do?

1. Continue to post to the Dr. groups. The first place a person who

has been told they have cancer goes is into the net. Ten or more a day

look at your favorite support group and you can offer them some hope

and help.

2. Post your storey to as many health-type news groups as possible and

ignore the critics who will jump all over you.

3. Join the critics e-mail lists and news groups. If they are engaged in a

disscussion with you they are not trying to 'warn off' paople who want

the services of naturopaths etc. Ask me by private mail and I will find

some addies for you.

4. If you haven't got a home page yet get busy and learn how it is done.

If people like the way you write on the groups they will hit the link to

your page. Just having some one to share with may be all that is needed

for some one in despair about cancer.

Whatever your affliction was be proud that you did beat it by your own

efforts and the help of people like Dr. and the many others who

have invested much time and money to research other ways to heal

than the cut, burn and poison technics that sEBM offers. The half a

million or more deaths due to cancer in the US are each a failure of

mainstream medicine. The average percentage of survivors is about

50. Over 90% cure rate for cutting warts and maybe 65% cure rate

for the lung cancer that I had. The doctors don't have all the answers

but they do the best they can with what they have.

Am I preaching to the choir here or what?

Regards,

.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very well stated my friend, and I can see your points..

Over and out!!!

melville ;-)

ps...not meliville..

Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

In a message dated 2/26/03 9:31:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jonah@... writes:

> Dear Khepri;

> I find this a rather cryptic message and hard to understand..

That's okay, I'm used to it...: )

What possible risk does anyone face by declaring that they've been healed by

one > method or another unless they are being untruthful and even then there's

> little risk that anyone would be harmed..

An individual can declare it all they want without much fear of retribution

from the powers that be.....it is in the accumulating of those testimonies

and in the offering of them to the general public that the " conspirators "

find fault, especially when the one offering the testimaonies is selling a

product related to those testimonies....ala A, ala SOTA

Instruments......

If I knew for sure that I'd been healed; I would speak up; as we DO LIVE

IN A FREE

> SOCIETY and it is only your type of fear that can cause us to lose that

> freedom..

LOL!!!! I think you are missing the point.....The first amendment gives us

the right to voice our experiences......collecting those and offering them to

the public draws the attention of the FTC and cronies.....hell, they are

already watching this newsgroup and we know that.....: )

Don't get me wrong, but we've had people named Meliville show up here before

*demanding* proof and they turned out to be nothing more than plants from the

" other side " ....so when someone like you shows up yet again demanding

testimonials yet again.....well....you get where you question those peoples

motives after a while....

As for SOTA Instruments....hell, all they did was LINK to a site that had

testimonies posted related to a product they were selling to get them hauled

into COURT.....

Some types of fear were designed for survival Melville.....think about it.

Khepri

> melville

>

[Guest guest]

There are ways of quoting scriptures that seem to me to be useful, and

ways that do not. Heck, i have been known to quote a scripture here and

there myself -- usually in response to someone else quoting scriptures.

I've even sat down and written flames to people for what i perceive to

be useless quotes and filed them in my " letters i've written never

meaning to send " file (aka Macintosh trash can).

There are many instances when quotes from scripture may be useful. But

when they are used in such a manner as to " ... sound a trumpet before

thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues [, on the Internet] and in

the streets, that they may have glory of men.... " , such as in an email

sig, it causes me to become judgmental and irritated. But then, i

suppose that's just one more weakness i need to overcome.

Also, i forgot to mention, for the benefit of those who may not know,

that i have been keeping an " on again/off again " online Journal of my

adventure with Cancer. The URL is

<http://www.sumeria.net/health/rectcan.html>. I am currently working on

the latest entry.

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 12:28 AM, Mel wrote:

> I've even enjoyed some of our theological debates or " excusions " and

> can appreciate that quoting scriptures might " upset " some

> people..However I've only heard one complaint and that from a

> " moderator " which I find rather disconcerting..Other than that (one

> complaint)....

--

Neil Jensen: neil@... -- http://www.sumeria.net/

If you want to inspire confidence, give plenty of statistics.

It does not matter that they should be accurate, or even

intelligible, so long as there is enough of them. -- Carroll

[Guest guest]

Hi Neil;

The way I see it is that it's very difficult to divorce our " spirituality " from

our reality..I don't take offense at someone discussing their trip down the nile

with Rameses !!..That 's their " worldview " and our spirituality has everything

to do with our " healing " ...I suppose that mentioning the fact that I'm a street

preacher and Gospel musician might seem that I'm " sounding the trumpet " but

that's not what I'm all about. It's not a matter of pride, nor of shame; nor of

wanting to be noticed in order to gain any noteriety over another.I'm just a

fool and a clown for Christ at times...It's just that I like to be out front and

let people know who I am, so that they can judge my testimony by what I say and

my experiences which are a reflection of my profession or my great

obsession..Know what I mean? eh? I cannot separate my reality from what I

believe to be truth and that truth (to me) is encompassed by what I perceive to

be the word of God..So for me to quote scripture is like water running from a

well or " cistern " ..Also one cannot deny that the " God-person " who is followed

throughout the bible is concerned with " healing " not only of our physical

bodies; but of our souls..I'm sure that you'll agree with me that many diseases

are caused by " roots of bitterness " ; " anger " ; " hatred fo one's neighbour " ;

" greed " ; " lust and the unfulfilling of " ; and on and on it goes..This is all

biblical and not only biblical but psychological as well...How many articles

have there been recently on the healing powers of prayers, or on one's spiritual

outlook during a crisis?

melville ;-)

ps...I hope that you don't write one of those flaming messages that end up in

the trash..Better to write a testimony of your healing and hang it on

here..Oh!!! and by the way..Was this message from you a " complaint " ?

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Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

There are ways of quoting scriptures that seem to me to be useful, and

ways that do not. Heck, i have been known to quote a scripture here and

there myself -- usually in response to someone else quoting scriptures.

I've even sat down and written flames to people for what i perceive to

be useless quotes and filed them in my " letters i've written never

meaning to send " file (aka Macintosh trash can).

There are many instances when quotes from scripture may be useful. But

when they are used in such a manner as to " ... sound a trumpet before

thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues [, on the Internet] and in

the streets, that they may have glory of men.... " , such as in an email

sig, it causes me to become judgmental and irritated. But then, i

suppose that's just one more weakness i need to overcome.

Also, i forgot to mention, for the benefit of those who may not know,

that i have been keeping an " on again/off again " online Journal of my

adventure with Cancer. The URL is

<http://www.sumeria.net/health/rectcan.html>. I am currently working on

the latest entry.

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 12:28 AM, Mel wrote:

> I've even enjoyed some of our theological debates or " excusions " and

> can appreciate that quoting scriptures might " upset " some

> people..However I've only heard one complaint and that from a

> " moderator " which I find rather disconcerting..Other than that (one

> complaint)....

--

Neil Jensen: neil@... -- http://www.sumeria.net/

If you want to inspire confidence, give plenty of statistics.

It does not matter that they should be accurate, or even

intelligible, so long as there is enough of them. -- Carroll

[Guest guest]

That's great Darien;

I used to visit and entertain at the children's cancer clinic in Vancouver and

it was absolutely horrendous what I saw there..I realize that the medical

attendants meant well but the results they were getting were astonishingly low

in survival rates for children with blood disorders or cancer..It was really no

more that a " dying " place for the kids and it broke my heart seeing how they

were losing their hair; their weight; and suffering with the long spinal tapp

chemo-therapy needles; while their parents looked on helplessly as their kids

moaned in agony..Here were all these bright coloured rooms with cuddly little

dinosaurs and other toys around; but the feel and smell of death in the air..I

hated that place with a passion and prayed that certainly there just has got to

be a better and more compassionate method of treating children with

cancer..Chemo-hurts...When I was a child; 50 years ago; cancer in children was

almost unheard of and now it's so common that it's frightening..Our children are

paying for the pollution that we've visited upon this planet..

BLessings to you and I wish you success..

melville ;-)

Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

>

[Guest guest]

Found on

Testimonials with the dr Hulda Therapy

http://www..net/utilities/prod_wind.htm

Cancer Testimonial #0072

Anyone who cares enough to share this info with anyone who has

cancer.

First pap smear in 1995 revealed moderate dysplasia (pre-cancerous cell

conditions). Dr. recommended, and I received cryo treatment (freezing

of cells) shortly thereafter.

Things seemed okay, until I went for another pap smear earlier this year, and

the Dr.

called me to tell me that the pap results came back as " carcinoma insitu "

which is cervical cancer " in place " . He recommended a leep procedure which is

electrical excision of the " bad " areas. When we started the leep procedure,

he immediately discontinued it and told me that the cancer was up inside my

cervix in an area that could not be reached without a cone biopsy. Long story

short, a couple of weeks before my scheduled cone biopsy I had a book

practically fall into my arms unexpectedly,and this book literally saved my

life. The book is called " The Cure For All Cancers " by Hulda Regehr ,

Phd. I was NOT anxious to jump under a knife or become a part of the cancer

merry-go-round, so I decided to try her program that is based on scores of

documented cases of cancer being CURED not just put into " remission " using

her program. After three weeks on the program (not difficult at all to

follow), I scheduled another appointment for a new pap, and just for my own

peace of mind, went to a different Gynecologist, and did NOT relate my

condition - just there for a " routine pap " . I had noticed, by the way, a

complete cessation of my symptoms about 12-14 days into Ms s program, so

I felt confident that SOMETHING positive was happening to my body. The pap

results came back CLASS A - PERFECTLY NORMAL!!!!! There was not a sign of

abnormality. I was astonished, as I was so skeptical about trying my own

thing outside of the " Dr. " - CONSTANT WARNINGS from the rest of the world who

never question ANYTHING regarding conventional medicine. I was actually

expecting to have only improved, but I WAS CURED. I no longer have cancer.

Please share this book title with ANYONE you know. It does not interfere with

conventional treatments, but now I am confident enough to use it again if

necessary (instead of surgery or chemo or ???) Hey the alternative is usually

death, or extreme illness and discomfort then death. PLEASEcheck this out. It

is easy to do, and once you read her book, the " light will go on " regarding

her explanation of the cause of cancer. It makes so much sense - to keep the

lid on this would be a rotten shame, but I am fearful that it will happen, as

it is THE ANSWER. Would be happy to communicate via e-mail with anyone who

has questions. I am not a doctor (obviously), but will be happy to tell you

whatever I can. Thank you Dr. , from the bottom of my heart.

TC

Jasmina

[Guest guest]

About the Testimonials

[Guest guest]

RE Grape cure

My friend says her sister had a friend who had been given six weeks to live and

someone told her about grapes. She lived on them alone and had terrible

diarrhoea but she is still going strong and that was many years ago.

The woman I gave the grape cure too is still doing well and that was some years

ago now.

My best cures with homeopathy just forget they were ever ill and it is those who

are only a bit better that homeopaths say will send them patients.

LIZ

Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

jonah@... writes:

> Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has hundreds of

> testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our thoughts to

> help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out of

> business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE proof and

> testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

> melville ;-)

>

A runs A's site, *not* Dr. s.

You might hurt yourself with those testimonials. And they have not been

evaluated by the FDA. And. Dr. 's method as you put it has not been

" proven " as defined by the conspirators.

To provide you with what you ask, the person runs a great risk, in this

" free " society.

I doubt you'll get it.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

CLiff Beckworth's site if FULL of testimonials. And while you have to

take them at face value, they are incredibly uplifting to read. I

agree with Mel, I want to hear Testimonials.

Virginia

> jonah@n... writes:

>

> > Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has

hundreds of

> > testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our

thoughts to

> > help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out

of

> > business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE

proof and

> > testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

> > melville ;-)

> >

>

> A runs A's site, *not* Dr. s.

>

> You might hurt yourself with those testimonials. And they have not

been

> evaluated by the FDA. And. Dr. 's method as you put it has not

been

> " proven " as defined by the conspirators.

>

> To provide you with what you ask, the person runs a great risk, in

this

> " free " society.

>

> I doubt you'll get it.

>

> Khepri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

jonah@... writes:

> Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has hundreds of

> testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our thoughts to

> help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out of

> business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE proof and

> testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

> melville ;-)

>

A runs A's site, *not* Dr. s.

You might hurt yourself with those testimonials. And they have not been

evaluated by the FDA. And. Dr. 's method as you put it has not been

" proven " as defined by the conspirators.

To provide you with what you ask, the person runs a great risk, in this

" free " society.

I doubt you'll get it.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Hi, Mel,

The webmaster on the www.altcancer.com site expresses their frustration

there with the people that are helped but don't' bother to report it. I

felt better after reading that, I guess it's just human nature.

I find it interesting with my patients that many times I will find out

about something that was helped by the adjustments when it comes

back...things like toe/elbow/finger,etc. pain, indigestion, elimination

problems, mentrual/impotency problems, etc. Secondary problems that

they did not come in for treatment but went away. Many times they

hadn't even reported it on the case history, having accepted living with

it. And the only reason they're telling me about it now is because it's

bothering them again. It certainly reinforces what is doing the

healing, huh! Sure ain't me :-)

Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative

therapies work

~~~~~~Hmmmm..You say it's only your theory? Hahahaha ;-D~~~~~~~

I don't suppose that the " victors " over cancer would stick around too

long, but their testimonies would be on here somewhere; wouldn't they?

Maybe we should let everyone know that if they have experienced

" victory " then they could post it in such a way as that it's very

obvious..It's also importatnt that we are aware of " defeat " as well..and

what program was implicated..Perhaps I'm simply looking in the wrong

place to find the encouragement that I need..However; I do love the

people on here and on Cancercured and have been spending many happy and

very informative hours; that have benefitted me to no end..I've even

enjoyed some of our theological debates or " excusions " and can

appreciate that quoting scriptures might " upset " some people..However

I've only heard one complaint and that from a " moderator " which I find

rather disconcerting..Other than that (one complaint); I've received

many " off line " messages that are the foundations of new friendships

blooming into existance..

melville ;-)

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Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative

therapies work

Hi Mel,

I have a theory It's only a theory, and it's my theory, so no one

else

has to agree that it's correct because it's only my theory. first the

question: Would cancer survivors in general stick around for long on a

list

like this?

Actually, not too many people at all stick around on this or any other

list.

It would be an interesting statistic to know the average time a person

remains a member of any list. It would be more pertinant to know how

long

people remain a member of a list after they get the help they need and

are

able to move on with their lives. After the fight of their lives,

during

which they give all that they've got at great emotional and financial

cost

their goal is probably to live a " normal " life for the years they have

left.

It's usually the people who still have reserves of energy and

emotional

strength that help those who don't. There are many survivors, but they

are

mixed in with the rest of society and not concentrated in places like

this

list.

What do you think about my theory?

Vince

[Guest guest]

I agree, Vince. And who can blame them but it would be nice if some

could put aside their self-centered behavior long enough to post a

testimonial and write a letter to the editor of their local newspaper

and may-be just one or two other things before they go back to their

lives. I think this is a part of the total healing that hopefully they

have experienced.

Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies

work

>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:53:34 -0800

>

>Hi everyone;

>This message is to all of those who have used alternative methods of

>healing cancer, and who can stand up and say " I'VE BEEN

HEALED " ..or... " I

>TRIED THIS METHOD AND IT'S B.S. " ..My particular case is in regards to

>Drs method which I'm sure all of you are awares of; but my

challenge

>goes out to all of you..I am another cancer " fighter " who has a hard

time

>coming by " testimonials " that convince me that Dr's theory

regarding

>her cure for cancer, is as " sure a thing " as it's made out to be..I can

>really only go by my own " testimony " which is this.. I have completed

the

>parasite cleanse; the Kidney cleanse and 1 liver cleanse and I am

feeling

>great..Before I came on to Dr's program; the tumours on the floor

of

>my mouth were very aggressive and " angry " ..What I mean is that they

were so

>painful that I had to keep myself loaded up with T3's just to get

through

>the night..I would wake up in the wee hours of the morning and have to

do

>more pain killers and sleeping pills to get any rest at all.

> About ten days after being on the program; I experienced an

increase

>of energy and a healing of those tumours that convinced me that I was

on

>the right track and that Dr's parasite cleanse was totally

responsible

>for increased health and a dramatic decrease in the pain to the tumours

and

>their very aggressive growth..So here I am; convinced enough to have

told

>other friends about it, and I've seen changes in their health as well

as

>mine..Still we are left with the question as to " Where are these cancer

>survivors " ; who should be screaming from the mountain tops about their

>miraculous healing? Why are you folks not speaking out? I don't get

it..

>;-( When I can finally say that I'm cured; you'll see me walking up

and

>down in front of some cancer clinic; declaring the " good

news " ..Alright???

> Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has

hundreds

>of testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our thoughts

to

>help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out of

>business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE proof and

>testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

>melville ;-)

>

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[Guest guest]

Neil -

my data re prostate cancer:

Date Lab PSA %fPSA

------- ---- --- -----

1997.06 G 9.7 Start Mediterranean diet

2000.12 G 8.6 10.6

2001.09 G 8.1 8.9 Start vegan diet+supps

2001.11 S 10.9 10.4* Other lab

2002.01 G 7.9 9.2

2002.05 G 8.4 11.5* Start Artemisinin+Budwig prot.**

2002.07 G 6.9 12.2 Stop Artemisinin, cont.Budwig prot.

2002.10 G 8.0 11.3 Start increased Budwig dosage***

2003.01 G 5.6 14.4 Cont. Budwig 5 tblsp.

* after 1 hour of driving

** A- 100 mg/day, B- 2 tablespoons/day mixed with quark

*** 5 tablespoons/day mixed with quark

Regards

At 6:58 Uhr +0100 27.02.2003, Neil Jensen wrote:

>Right now i am

>on my 23rd day of the Budwig diet and come of my bodily functions that

>were becoming difficult to control are coming back under control, while

>the tumor seems to be shrinking. I am also receiving twice-weekly

>accupuncture sessions which seem to help.