Re: Real proof alternative therapies work

[Guest guest]

Let's just call it an observation.

Why is it that so many people calling themselves " christians " ignore

The Gospel of St. , chapter 6? You know, the football player

that gets down on his knees and prays, thanking God, in front of

millions of viewers, for helping him to make the touchdown. Or the

preacher who leads a demonstration demanding that children be allowed

to pray in public schools. Neither venue sounds much to me like the

privacy of one's closet....

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:00 AM, Mel wrote:

> Was this message from you a " complaint " ?

--

Neil Jensen: neil@... - http://www.sumeria.net/

If a man is talking in the forest,

And there is no woman to hear him,

Is he still wrong? -- GC

[Guest guest]

Mel, what are T3's. Also what is a cavitation?

Thanks, Ken

[ ]

Hi.

Just recently joined this group. I have been diagnosed with metasticized

colon cancer (currently in my lymphatic system).

I have read much on alternative therapy, and have become somewhat convinced

that it might work. One thing though: Almost all the literature I have read,

and persons I have spoken too are woefully low on testimonials. I have yet

to speak or communicate to a single person who actually walked away from a

terminal diagnosis.

My question to the group: Are you all deluding yourselves (and, me). Can

anyone state credibly and honestly that they know (firsthand) persons who

HAVE survived cancer by following an alternative medicine regime? THIS would

satisfy me that maybe there's a chance. Short of this REAL evidence, I don't

think any self respecting person can hold out hope for alternative

therapies.

Don't get me wrong: I am following an alternative regime. But I need to have

real PROOF that it CAN work.

Can anyone out there provide this??

Thank you. Ernie

[Guest guest]

<<If a man is talking in the forest,

And there is no woman to hear him,

Is he still wrong? -- GC>>

Are these words above; " scriptures " from whatever religion it is that you are

preaching?

You know as well as I that Christ commands us to " go and preach the Gospel to

every creature. "

Prayer " in the closet " is " personal " between you and the Lord..What I say on

here is not a prayer but words of encouragement to those that " have ears to

hear " ..As someone has pointed out; there are people of " all " spiritual

viewpoints on here and If I do not take offence at your " world view " ; why is it

that you take offence at mine? I'll bet that you even know the answer to

that..don't you?

And " moderator " please take note, that I'm only answering a question..Oops!!!

But then I went and asked one as well; didn't I? OHOH!!! There I go again..I

give up!!!

melville ;-)

Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

Let's just call it an observation.

Why is it that so many people calling themselves " christians " ignore

The Gospel of St. , chapter 6? You know, the football player

that gets down on his knees and prays, thanking God, in front of

millions of viewers, for helping him to make the touchdown. Or the

preacher who leads a demonstration demanding that children be allowed

to pray in public schools. Neither venue sounds much to me like the

privacy of one's closet....

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:00 AM, Mel wrote:

> Was this message from you a " complaint " ?

--

Neil Jensen: neil@... - http://www.sumeria.net/

If a man is talking in the forest,

And there is no woman to hear him,

Is he still wrong? -- GC

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jasmina..

melville ;-)

Re: Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

About the Testimonials

[Guest guest]

Thanks ;

I've been doing the cottage cheese and flax oil as well, (2 weeks) and I've

noticed a decrease in the size of my tumours..It's difficult to separate one

treatment from another and which treatment is producing these great results..I

look at it as doing what the early HIV patients were doing; (not at the advice

of their doctors); and that is " stacking " those alternative meds that seem to

have " value " in relation to the disease that we are fighting..I'm now awaiting

the arrival of Cansema Tonic 1, which seems to have promise...Keep up the good

fight..

melville ;-)

Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

Neil -

my data re prostate cancer:

Date Lab PSA %fPSA

------- ---- --- -----

1997.06 G 9.7 Start Mediterranean diet

2000.12 G 8.6 10.6

2001.09 G 8.1 8.9 Start vegan diet+supps

2001.11 S 10.9 10.4* Other lab

2002.01 G 7.9 9.2

2002.05 G 8.4 11.5* Start Artemisinin+Budwig prot.**

2002.07 G 6.9 12.2 Stop Artemisinin, cont.Budwig prot.

2002.10 G 8.0 11.3 Start increased Budwig dosage***

2003.01 G 5.6 14.4 Cont. Budwig 5 tblsp.

* after 1 hour of driving

** A- 100 mg/day, B- 2 tablespoons/day mixed with quark

*** 5 tablespoons/day mixed with quark

Regards

At 6:58 Uhr +0100 27.02.2003, Neil Jensen wrote:

>Right now i am

>on my 23rd day of the Budwig diet and come of my bodily functions that

>were becoming difficult to control are coming back under control, while

>the tumor seems to be shrinking. I am also receiving twice-weekly

>accupuncture sessions which seem to help.

[Guest guest]

But Butttt Virginia;

what's his " url " ?

Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

CLiff Beckworth's site if FULL of testimonials. And while you have to

take them at face value, they are incredibly uplifting to read. I

agree with Mel, I want to hear Testimonials.

Virginia

> jonah@n... writes:

>

> > Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has

hundreds of

> > testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our

thoughts to

> > help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out

of

> > business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE

proof and

> > testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

> > melville ;-)

> >

>

> A runs A's site, *not* Dr. s.

>

> You might hurt yourself with those testimonials. And they have not

been

> evaluated by the FDA. And. Dr. 's method as you put it has not

been

> " proven " as defined by the conspirators.

>

> To provide you with what you ask, the person runs a great risk, in

this

> " free " society.

>

> I doubt you'll get it.

>

> Khepri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

PSA = prostate specific antigen and is shown

by a blood test to indicate the cancer cells in the prostate gland.

This along with the rectal

digital exam is the best we have right now to

indicate the presence of the cancer (outside

of actual biopsy of the gland for tissue sample).

1-4 is considered the normal range, depending

on age. The psa can jump up from local infection, which can be tested

for, as well as for

an enlarged prostate. There's a lot more to consider so use your search

to your satisfaction. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/27/03 11:17:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

sitzfamily@... writes:

> CLiff Beckworth's site if FULL of testimonials. And while you have to

> take them at face value, they are incredibly uplifting to read. I

> agree with Mel, I want to hear Testimonials.

> Virginia

>

: ) We *all* want to hear them.......it's just the US govenment seems to have

a problem with that under certain conditions.....: )

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Whatever you do...DO NOT ALLOW A BIOPSY...Consider it malignant; if there is

swelling and begin an alternative method of healing immediately; (just in case

it is) and see what happens..It was immediately after being biopsied that my

real problems began the very next day..There was so much pain and blood I

couldn't believe it..I was assurred by the Urologist that no harm or pain would

be associated with a biopsy..THEY LIED..

NOT AN ACKNOWLEDGED SOURCE OF MEDICAL ADVISE..melville ;-)

Re: [ ] Real proof alternative therapies work

PSA = prostate specific antigen and is shown

by a blood test to indicate the cancer cells in the prostate gland.

This along with the rectal

digital exam is the best we have right now to

indicate the presence of the cancer (outside

of actual biopsy of the gland for tissue sample).

1-4 is considered the normal range, depending

on age. The psa can jump up from local infection, which can be tested

for, as well as for

an enlarged prostate. There's a lot more to consider so use your search

to your satisfaction. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

Sorry,Mel, I thought for sure you'd have seen it already.

http://www.beckwithfamily.com/Flax1.html

there are also a few flaxseed oil groups on .

> > jonah@n... writes:

> >

> > > Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has

> hundreds of

> > > testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our

> thoughts to

> > > help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out

> of

> > > business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE

> proof and

> > > testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

> > > melville ;-)

> > >

> >

> > A runs A's site, *not* Dr. s.

> >

> > You might hurt yourself with those testimonials. And they have

not

> been

> > evaluated by the FDA. And. Dr. 's method as you put it has

not

> been

> > " proven " as defined by the conspirators.

> >

> > To provide you with what you ask, the person runs a great risk,

in

> this

> > " free " society.

> >

> > I doubt you'll get it.

> >

> > Khepri

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry,Mel, I thought for sure you'd have seen it already.

http://www.beckwithfamily.com/Flax1.html

there are also a few flaxseed oil groups on .

> > jonah@n... writes:

> >

> > > Now we've been told by A of Dr's site that he has

> hundreds of

> > > testimonials, received after his appeal that we send in our

> thoughts to

> > > help Dr to defeat the government conspiracy to put her out

> of

> > > business..OK DAVID...WHERE ARE THEY? We want some DEFINITIVE

> proof and

> > > testimonies that will make everyone sit up and take notice..

> > > melville ;-)

> > >

> >

> > A runs A's site, *not* Dr. s.

> >

> > You might hurt yourself with those testimonials. And they have

not

> been

> > evaluated by the FDA. And. Dr. 's method as you put it has

not

> been

> > " proven " as defined by the conspirators.

> >

> > To provide you with what you ask, the person runs a great risk,

in

> this

> > " free " society.

> >

> > I doubt you'll get it.

> >

> > Khepri

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

if you follow the program and not just scrutinize it

it may work for you please dont be so negative -

cancer I believe there is a cure for

--- Mel <jonah@...> wrote:

> Very well stated my friend, and I can see your

> points..

> Over and out!!!

> melville ;-)

> ps...not meliville..

> Re: Re: [ ] Real proof

> alternative therapies work

>

>

> In a message dated 2/26/03 9:31:48 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> jonah@... writes:

>

> > Dear Khepri;

> > I find this a rather cryptic message and hard to

> understand..

>

>

> That's okay, I'm used to it...: )

>

>

> What possible risk does anyone face by declaring

> that they've been healed by

> one > method or another unless they are being

> untruthful and even then there's

> > little risk that anyone would be harmed..

>

> An individual can declare it all they want without

> much fear of retribution

> from the powers that be.....it is in the

> accumulating of those testimonies

> and in the offering of them to the general public

> that the " conspirators "

> find fault, especially when the one offering the

> testimaonies is selling a

> product related to those testimonies....ala A,

> ala SOTA

> Instruments......

>

>

> If I knew for sure that I'd been healed; I would

> speak up; as we DO LIVE

> IN A FREE

> > SOCIETY and it is only your type of fear that can

> cause us to lose that

> > freedom..

>

> LOL!!!! I think you are missing the point.....The

> first amendment gives us

> the right to voice our experiences......collecting

> those and offering them to

> the public draws the attention of the FTC and

> cronies.....hell, they are

> already watching this newsgroup and we know

> that.....: )

>

> Don't get me wrong, but we've had people named

> Meliville show up here before

> *demanding* proof and they turned out to be nothing

> more than plants from the

> " other side " ....so when someone like you shows up

> yet again demanding

> testimonials yet again.....well....you get where you

> question those peoples

> motives after a while....

>

> As for SOTA Instruments....hell, all they did was

> LINK to a site that had

> testimonies posted related to a product they were

> selling to get them hauled

> into COURT.....

>

> Some types of fear were designed for survival

> Melville.....think about it.

>

> Khepri

>

>

>

> > melville

> >

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