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Message: 9

Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:20:57 EDT

From: rmcmur3194@...

Subject: Re: Very important question!!!!

carolyn....i have never heard doc b state he was " cured " i and many others

do

not believe this disease can be cured.....it is my feeling that he is

enjoying a long symptom free period...i hope it continues for ever...but the

possibilitie of relapse is always there.....

Reid >>

Reid,

I know he doesn't like the word cured, but Dr. B made out a ribbon for MOW.

On that ribbon, he wrote cured in 1995..... I questioned him on that, and

he just smiled!

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In a message dated 5/31/00 4:39:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

lyme-aidegroups writes:

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Message: 9

Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:20:57 EDT

From: rmcmur3194@...

Subject: Re: Very important question!!!!

carolyn....i have never heard doc b state he was " cured " i and many others

do

not believe this disease can be cured.....it is my feeling that he is

enjoying a long symptom free period...i hope it continues for ever...but the

possibilitie of relapse is always there.....

Reid >>

Reid,

I know he doesn't like the word cured, but Dr. B made out a ribbon for MOW.

On that ribbon, he wrote cured in 1995..... I questioned him on that, and

he just smiled!

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I would be very interested in purchasing at $5.50 plus shipping (I'm in

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Robin, I live in Everett, WA. There are two companies I like to buy from. One

is Zenith products in Seattle on Roosevelt Ave. The other is Brambleberry in

Bellingham. Both are wonderful places. I have business at times in both

places, so I visit the stores when I am there. Brambleberries has much more

product than Zenith.

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Mold boosts home insurance

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THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Published 6/7/2002

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Blame mold.

The spore-spreading fungus is causing a big increase in property-damage

claims to insurance companies nationwide, sending insurance rates for

homeowners and landlords through the roof.

Claims are piling up because of a recent large mold-related lawsuit and

a strong residential real estate market, which resulted in fast but not

always high-quality home construction. Premiums across the country have

risen from 6 percent to 15 percent.

Like all forms of life, mold needs three basics to survive: water, a

food source — anything organic, such as wood or cellulose insulation — and

warm temperatures. So leaky water pipes and roofs, cracked foundations and

overflowing washing machines encourage the spread of molds.

Sometimes mold is obvious, presenting itself on bathroom tiles or as a

spot on a carpet. Insurance doesn't cover such repairs, because they are

considered home maintenance.

But there are times when a home becomes smelly, and the residents don't

know why. After testing air samples, an environmental company may find there

is a mold infestation. Insurance covers the cost of the repair if the owner

could not have prevented the problem.

" The process [of killing and cleaning up mold] can take anywhere from a

few days to a few weeks it's pretty disruptive to people's lives, " said

Truitt, president of Truitt Builders, a District-based general

contractor.

Repairing a home eaten up by mold can also be pricey.

While a simple spot on a carpet can cost less than $500 in cleanup, a

more complicated problem involving structural damage can run a tab from

$5,000 up to tens of thousands of dollars.

The more costly projects are the problem, putting insurance companies

between angry homeowners and builders who did quick but sloppy work.

In some such cases, air pockets are left in the walls, allowing

moisture to seep in. Mold can grow hidden behind the panel of a window that

may not have been properly installed.

Repair companies don't care who writes the check but often blame the

builders rather than the insurers for homeowners' mold problems.

" We've worked on multimillion-dollar homes that are beautiful

physically, but structurally, it's poor construction, " said Alan Wozniak,

president and chief executive of Pure Air Control Services, a

mold-remediation company. " It happens often in areas like Northern Virginia,

for instance, and other areas of high growth, where homes are being built as

fast as humanly possible.

" In many cases the builders buy homes back, because they realize,

'We've caused a microbial nightmare,' and there's nothing they can do, but

that's only after all this litigation occurred, " Mr. Wozniak said.

And insurance premiums have risen because of the increased litigation

related to mold claims.

A year ago, Farmers Insurance Group lost a $32 million lawsuit filed by

a Texas family that said toxic mold in its home caused severe health

problems. The jury found that the insurer failed to pay for repairs needed

for a water leak, which allowed mold to grow rampant, making the house

uninhabitable.

Since then, mold-related insurance claims in Texas have jumped about

600 percent, and homeowners' premiums have risen 20 percent.

A California homeowner was awarded $18.5 million in damages from his

insurer when several water pipes in his home burst during remodeling and

resulted in mold. The homeowner was away at the time, so the leaking pipe in

the attic went undetected for several days.

Several celebrities also have jumped on the litigation bandwagon.

Among the most prominent cases is that of Brockovich, who

discovered mold in a house she bought after the story of her legal crusade

on behalf of pollution victims in California was turned into a movie.

Entertainer Ed McMahon, too, is having problems. A few weeks ago he

filed suit against his insurance company for more than $20 million, saying

that he was sickened by toxic mold that spread through his Beverly Hills

house after contractors cleaning up water damage from a broken pipe botched

the job.

Mr. McMahon and his wife, Pamela, became ill from the mold, as did

members of their household staff, according to the Los Angeles County

Superior Court suit. The couple also blames the mold for the death of their

dog, Muffin.

Mold spreads by sending off spores, which contain poisons that can

affect the health of those who inhale or ingest them. Still, the health

threat is under debate, as authorities have never set standards for

acceptable levels of exposure. The National Academy of Sciences is working

on a mold report, due in April, for the government.

The National Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says up to 10

percent of the population may be allergic to molds. Common health problems

include nasal stuffiness, eye irritation and wheezing.

The most dangerous but less common type of mold is Stachybotrys

chartarum, or " black mold. " It produces multiple toxic spores that can

become airborne and cause health problems, from headaches and dizziness to

cancer and bleeding in the lungs.

Mold shows no prejudice toward the poor or the wealthy. Locally, it has

no neighborhood preference.

The fungus has grown as much in dilapidated former public housing

projects east of the Anacostia River as it has in plush housing such as the

Residences at the Ritz-Carlton, at 22 and M streets NW. The latter, an

18-month-old enclave of swank condominiums and penthouses populated by the

likes of Jordan and Mia Hamm, has been attacked by an aggressive

black mold that has made some residents sick.

In Gaithersburg, a new community found itself under siege by mold

because the builders used plywood from the Carolinas; the wood had been

infected by mold during Hurricane Floyd in 1999. Now mold is in the homes'

structure.

" The problem is that if it's not cleaned up within 24 to 48 hours, mold

issues are guaranteed in a home, " said Mr. Wozniak, who adds that schools

and old government buildings are often a haven for mold, because they

haven't been repaired in years.

Texas, California, Florida and New York are hotbeds for mold problems.

Legislation has been enacted in California, and is pending in Connecticut,

Nevada, New Jersey and New York. The California bill requires a home seller

to disclose to potential buyers any mold-related problems.

No such laws are being considered locally, though two weeks ago a mold

seminar was held at the Ritz-Carlton Tysons Corner.

Among the issues was how insurance companies should defend themselves

in mold lawsuits, as well as the " politics of mold, " which was perhaps

thrown in to lighten up an otherwise dark topic.

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There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Asked to support Conyers

From: kenhmoulton@...

2. Re: Asked to support Conyers

From: kenhmoulton@...

3. Mold Delays Search at WTC Bank

From: bherk@...

4. Serum tests for toxins

From: " phillipapirrip " <archiekennedy@...>

5. Mold Letter

From: kenhmoulton@...

6. press release

From: kenhmoulton@...

7. Re: Serum tests for toxins

From: " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@...>

8. Help for a friend..Neutropenia

From: " i_tri_hard " <i_tri_hard@...>

9. Totally UNREASONABLE

From: Stinkypouf@...

10. " Organic farming could kill billions of people. "

From: Stinkypouf@...

11. Re: [iMMUNE] Fwd: chemical breakdowns

From: agasaya@...

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Message: 1

Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:25:05 EDT

From: kenhmoulton@...

Subject: Asked to support Conyers

Subj: (no subject)

Date: 6/11/2002 8:53:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: <A HREF= " mailto:MLMJ75 " >MLMJ75</A>

<A HREF= " mailto:KENHMOULTON " >KENHMOULTON</A>

Dear Ken,

Why don't you get everyone together and ask them to also support Congressman

Conyers' Federal Legislation? The more press and pressure the US Reps and

Senators get to support his legislation, the better it will be for all of us

on the individual states' level. Because of your work with his office and

the eventual filing of his federal legislation last Tuesday, Toxic Mold

Protection is on the map federally.

What do you think? We need all these people to support the federal

legislation as well as MA legislators to support yours. If we can make some

headway on the federal, the states will have to fall in line.

The US senators and reps offices have to be bombarded with calls, mail, and

emails to let them know that we want this problem resolved from the top

down.

It will be so much easier for us statewise to get legislation passed if the

states are forced to follow the lead federally.

What do you think?

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Message: 2

Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:32:06 EDT

From: kenhmoulton@...

Subject: Re: Asked to support Conyers

,

As I have said many times, I am willing to support Mold Legislation when I

am

allowed to see it. Conyers has yet to allow me to see his. All I keep seeing

are his wish list and have commented on it.

The only communications from his office, besides Ms. threatening to

have me arrested when I asked to see the legislation, was a 5 minute phone

call some weeks ago. At that time I asked to see the written legislation and

was again rebuffed.

Communications is a two way street. He refuses to communicate. Perhaps he

should offer support for my Legislation. Isn't that fair if he wants support

for his? Mine is written and before Committee while his remains a wish list.

Remember, my family and I did a lot of the research, calling, writing and

support for a lot of folks out there. When we asked for help a lot of groups

remained silent but they had no problem flying to Detroit for Conyers and

his

wish list. We were asked by some in California to write to Governor

last year for their mold bill and did so immediately. When I asked them,

only

HADD folks responded. Where was everybody else?

Right now only HADD and NTMC have shown their concern for mold by speaking

in

support of the only written legislation out there. Many others have asked me

to send my legislation to their states to include folks from Florida, Texas,

Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, New York, Arizona

and

Georgia.

These folks have seen my mold bill and know what it says. They know it also

has accountability. Those that have seen the Conyers wish list support mine

because it is written and being heard. I have never given my voice, or asked

others to support, to something that I am not allowed to read. I thought all

of us in this mold fight were suppose to be equal but it appears from the

politics being played by some we are not.

If anybody wants to support Conyers they can. I cannot support what I have

not been allowed to see.

Ken

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Message: 3

Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:02:43 -0400

From: bherk@...

Subject: Mold Delays Search at WTC Bank

http://dailynews./h/krnewyork/20020610/lo/mold_delays_search_at_wtc

_bank_1.html

Monday June 10 07:21 AM EDT

Mold Delays Search at WTC Bank

By GREG GITTRICH

A damaged 40-story building near Ground Zero will not be searched for human

remains until its owners and the city agree on how to handle a mold

infestation and other health hazards, sources said.

Deutsche Bank, which owns 130 Liberty St., is to meet today with the city

Office of Emergency Management and the Fire Department to discuss the

recovery operation.

Officials need to sort out how and when the potentially contaminated debris

inside the building should be searched. The city hopes to work out a plan

this week, sources said.

The long-awaited deal would be greatly welcomed by recovery workers at the

World Trade Center site who have been pressing for weeks to conduct a

meticulous search of the building.

Officials stepped up their requests to sift through debris in the tower and

two other buildings, 90 West St. and 130 Cedar St., in April - when Mayor

Bloomberg was preparing to select a day to mark the end of the recovery

effort.

Bloomberg noted again yesterday that the May 30 ceremony was a symbolic end

to the work.

" We expected to find other bodies, " he said. " We are going through the same

procedures with the same respect and the same care no matter where we find

pockets of debris. And unfortunately this will go on for a while. "

Remains Found

About a dozen remains were found during searches of 90 West St. and 130

Cedar St.

" The big problem with the bank building is the mold, " said a recovery

official, who asked not to be named.

" If we send a recovery team into that building and they get a respiratory

problem, who is responsible? " the official asked. " It may be the building

owner. It may not be. We're trying to figure that out. "

The facade of the bank building was torn open by the collapsing twin towers.

The bank building is stable, but an aggressive mold has spread along its

walls and ventilation ducts.

Bank employees who have entered the building say they have been required to

wear a protective suit and respirator.

Gov. Pataki predicted an agreement to search the building would be reached

soon. " I'm confident that the city will be able to work out any disputes

with any private entities, " he said.

Deutsche Bank officials did not return calls. With L. Colangelo

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Message: 4

Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:54:10 -0000

From: " phillipapirrip " <archiekennedy@...>

Subject: Serum tests for toxins

I found a link (URL below) on Phares Heindl's web page (Thank-you,

sir, for pointing me to your page) and read an article, the gist of

which is that serum tests for mycotoxins are unreliable. This is

disappointing. Does anyone have any comment to make on this?

http://www.dhs.cahwnet.gov/org/ps/deodc/ehib/EHIB2/topics/Serologyf2.h

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Message: 5

Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:34:38 EDT

From: kenhmoulton@...

Subject: Mold Letter

June 12, 2002

Massachusetts State Legislature

I support the Moulton Toxic Mold Protection Act, S2353, for

Massachusetts. The Legislation was written by my family to help us and

others

fight Toxic Mold. I have lived with my Family in their Centerville home

since

1992.

On May 10, 2002, one day after my 82nd Birthday, I became ill and

entered

Cape Cod Hospital. No Medical reason for my illness could be found.

Doctor's,

upon hearing of the Toxic Mold in our home, stated I could not return.

It has hurt my Family that I had to go to a Nursing Home and not return

but they want my safety to come first. The State must now pay over 300

dollars a day for my Nursing Home care. When I lived with my family, it cost

the State nothing.

Not only has the Toxic Mold destroyed my Children's home, it has also

destroyed all of their belongings. It has also destroyed all of my

belongings

I have saved since my Husband and I were married in 1939. All of the

pictures

and memories are destroyed. All of his awards from the Navy during World War

2 have been destroyed.

If Barnstable and the State of Massachusetts had obeyed the Law, none of

this would have happened. Instead, my family has been destroyed. You must

restore my family now.

May Moulton

Cape Regency Nursing Home

South Main Street

Centerville, Ma. 02632

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Message: 6

Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:05:59 EDT

From: kenhmoulton@...

Subject: press release

HADD – (Homeowners Against Deficient Dwellings)

Virginia & Ken Moulton, Co-Presidents

CT., MA., R ., New York, and NH. Chapters

38 Hawser Bend

Centerville, MA. 02632

E-Mail: kenhmoulton@...

PRESS RELEASE

On June 10, 2002, the Massachusetts State Legislatures Joint Committee

on

Health held a hearing on a proposed bill, S2353. This bill is aimed at

helping those that have been infected by Toxic Molds. Its goal is to stop

the

manifestation of Toxic Molds and some of the instances that create or allow

it such as illegal, unhealthy and unsafe building across the Commonwealth

and failures by insurance companies and local and state government to

protect

their clients and employees .

The Legislation is based upon a Mold Bill enacted last year in

California. The bill was redesigned to allow for stronger standards on mold.

It adds strong penalties and accountability for any, including State

Government Agencies and employees, that allow or knowingly create or allow

an

environment for Toxic Mold. It mandates tough disclosures for builders,

inspectors, realtors, landlords and government in regards to their knowledge

of Toxic Mold.

The Legislation removes the issue of Sovereign Immunity from local and

state government when illegal acts of their staff or employees have been a

contributing factor to Toxic Mold. It is considered to be the toughest

Legislation in the Nation to deal with the issues of Toxic Mold and

accountability. As the writer of the Legislation stated, if you find how to

clean up Toxic Mold but ignore the actions that cause it, you have

accomplished nothing.

Under current Massachusetts Laws, citizens have had their legal rights

removed by the State in attempts to hold many of those whose acts have made

mold their byproduct or allowed or contributed to the growth of mold.

Another

by-product of this form of diminished legal rights against home and

property

owners is the lack of insurance coverage. While banks and mortgage holders

require loan holders to have insurance coverage, very few insurance

companies

nationwide will cover any claims or loses that are suffered due to illegal

or

unsafe construction.

Should a home have to be torn down or burned down due to Toxic Mold

infestation, there is little or no protection. Should anybody die or suffer

injuries, there is little or no protection for the public. Any insurance

companies that had allowed coverage in the past have now changed their

policies to stop coverage. The public is left defenseless!

The Committee was told that under the Constitution of the United States and

Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Government is responsible for protecting the

health and common good of citizens. The writers of the Legislation had

e-mailed and faxed various State officials asking them to attend the hearing

but none responded to the health needs of Massachusetts.

The Joint Committee lists their total membership at 16 Senators and

Representatives. Only three members were able to attend the hearing and hear

the compelling testimony in support of the Legislation. A few people that

appeared and rose in opposition to the Legislation did not speak and

submitted written replies for the Committee.

The writer of the Legislation was given a two and a half business day notice

of the scheduled hearing. Many Massachusetts citizens were not able to

attend

the hearing due to the short notice. Some are state and local employees and

teachers. Many parents whose children have come in contact with Toxic Mold

at

school could not make day care arrangements to attend. The Committee

received

letters supporting the Legislation from citizens from Massachusetts and

across the Nation that have been infected with Toxic Mold

This same Mold Legislation has been modified by its writer for use at the

Federal level and in several other States. Over 70 United States Senators

and

Representative have been asked to sponsor the Federal Legislation. Replies

are still pending from our National Leaders. Every member of the

Massachusetts State Senate was asked to support the Legislation but only

one,

Senator O'Leary, came forward and replied by submitting the Bill.

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Message: 7

Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:05:46 -0000

From: " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@...>

Subject: Re: Serum tests for toxins

There are many labs, I do believe using the serum test for

mycotoxins. I would be very curious how long this type of testing has

been in effect. Are they saying it is only unreliable now because so

many people are asking for it? There are possibilities here. But I

tend not to believe that it is unreliable. At least no more

unreliable than all your other " basic " bloodwork tests, for whatever

illness. The reason why I state this is because I have had many types

of bloodwork done on my wife that came back with mixed results. What

was within normal range for one lab, was abnormal for another, both

using the standard testing, ie " cbc, ana, etc. So apparently there

are many other problems that we already have with some of our basic

standardized testing. And this type of testing has been used a much

longer period of time and they continue to use it, even though they

may have many false negatives. So again as far as the blood serum

test being that unreliable I think this really needs to be proven.

KC

--- In @y..., " phillipapirrip " <archiekennedy@j...>

wrote:

> I found a link (URL below) on Phares Heindl's web page (Thank-you,

> sir, for pointing me to your page) and read an article, the gist of

> which is that serum tests for mycotoxins are unreliable. This is

> disappointing. Does anyone have any comment to make on this?

>

>

http://www.dhs.cahwnet.gov/org/ps/deodc/ehib/EHIB2/topics/Serologyf2.h

> tm

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Message: 8

Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:05:24 -0000

From: " i_tri_hard " <i_tri_hard@...>

Subject: Help for a friend..Neutropenia

I have a friend who's son was exposed to the toxic molds at age 6 mo.

She has been fighting for his life for two years. She has seen the

cream of the crop out there in the mold field...

Not one of them has ever mentioned candida a means of knocking out

his immune system or Gluten celtic or any other yeast type thing.

I need research linking the Neutropenia and candida and toxic mold

exposures. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

I developed food sensitivities 5 years ago (candida)... I went for

two years and no one could diagnosis.

This year I come to learn the Big Three of stachy, aspergillus, and

penicillium are in high concentrations in my school. Needless to say

they deny it and we are in a WC battle.I also need to link the

development of candida to the development and dysfunctions I got this

year with the Big 3.

Thanks

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Message: 9

Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:00:24 EDT

From: Stinkypouf@...

Subject: Totally UNREASONABLE

Crosspost regarding a scary article.

I thought everyone should have the opportunity to let " Reason " know how full

of nonsense they are (or at least have another " enlightening " glimpse into

what some people actually believe). And what I didn't know, is that

FUMENTO,

was or is one of Reason's science correspondents. They deserve to hear from

us (those who have the time, words, energy, etc.) But, take time to care

for

yourselves, of course, since we can't change everybody's mind ...

REASON Online, June 12, 2002

Silent Spring at 40, Carson’s classic is not aging well.

By <A HREF= " mailto:rbailey@... " > </A>

The last lines:

" Along with other researchers, she was simply ignorant of the facts. But

after four decades in which tens of billions of dollars have been wasted

chasing imaginary risks without measurably improving American health, her

intellectual descendants don’t have the same excuse. "

http://reason.com/rb/rb061202.shtml

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Message: 10

Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:18:52 EDT

From: Stinkypouf@...

Subject: " Organic farming could kill billions of people. "

Crosspost.

I have no comment.

No, I DO have a comment ...

I would sooner die by organic farming than the pesticide-induced hell on

earth I am suffering now. (If I were gifted a CHOICE, that is.)

And speaking of choice: Misinformation and ignorance do many things ... but

most abhorrent to me is the annihilation of the ability to make informed

decisions.

Reason Magazine Online, June 5, 2002

Organic Alchemy Organic farming could kill billions of people.

By <A HREF= " mailto:rbailey@... " > </A>

' As the Cambridge chemist Emsley recently concluded, " The greatest

catastrophe that the human race could face this century is not global

warming

but a global conversion to ‘organic farming’--an estimated 2 billion people

would perish. " '

is Reason's science correspondent and the editor of <A

HREF= " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0071342605/reasonmagazineA/ " >Ea

rth

Report 2000: Revisiting the True State of the Planet</A>(McGraw-Hill)

http://reason.com/rb/rb060502.shtml

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Message: 11

Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:15:44 -0400 (EDT)

From: agasaya@...

Subject: Re: [iMMUNE] Fwd: chemical breakdowns

Accoding to 's research, you have an anticholinergic (likely to be

an organophosphate then in Nariden) plus a powerful pyrethroid in

cypermethrin. Dr. Abou Donia's research on Gulf War Syndrome noted that

the combinations of chemicals penetrates the blood brain barrier causing

considerable damage (that is what happened to me apparently). GW vets

had DEET plus permethrin exposures.

Do a search at the ATSDR site - I tried at Panna.org with no luck so

spelling may be an issue. Your lawyers must hire a toxicologist to

review all this. Nothing we put together will be sufficient but there is

literature there.

Organophosphates have a RICH literature on the neurological effects of

cholinesterase inhibiting pesticides. They were the first set of

pesticides to be reveiwed by the EPA based upon the provisions of the

Food Quality Protection act resulting in cancellations of such hugely

profitable materials like Dursban and anon.

Dr. Narahashi in Chicago (Northwestern?) has animal studies of

pyrethroid disruption of nerve cell transmission (hyperexcitability by a

different mechanism that the OPs).

Dr. Abou-Donia (Duke U) studied mixtures of chems in animals finding

penetration of BBB.

Give your lawyers the name of Dr. Lipsey, Dr. Simon, Dr.

Ray Singer etc. so they can get professional and court admissable

evidence on these matters.

Barbara

http://community.webtv.net/Raisyl/PHOENIXRISING

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> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:25:54 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Special K <specialk1995@...>

> Subject: Re: Nizoral-Special k

>

>

> Hi ,

> I had taken Nizoral very steady for 5 years. I took it because it was the only

> thing that semi worked on my strain and to the magnitude that I was infested

> with colonies. It did start to do damage to my liver at year 3; I cut back

> then, and only took it after that when the yeast affected my respiratory

> breathing ability. I repaired my liver with liver supplements for 3 years once

> I got the dose down and was off it. I feel that Nizoral also debilitated

> and/or compromised my immune system similar to the way antibiotics does. I

> also had to take more and more Nizoral to function. Now that I am much

> smarter and experienced with yeast, I now would only choose to take Nizoral

> for a quick dose of 2-7 days. I found that if it does not work on my problem

> area by then, it never would. The side effects were greater than the benefit.

>

> The only thing that cleaned yeast colonies out of my colon was enemas.

> Neither pills nor diet ever worked after 10 years of trying. I had bowel

> problems for 22 years until I did a month of anti-yeast enemas, about a ½ cup

> of yeast killing stuff twice a day for 2 weeks got the worst of it. I now have

> almost no bowel problems. Of course eating right once they are cleared, is

> essential.

Hi. ,

What liquid killer are you talking about? After a year and a half of daily

constipation, I went for ayurvedic treatment and one of the best things they

did was, on my request, give me enemas with antifungals in them. I only got

2, but the results were dramatic,ie I'm hardly constipated any more. I bet

if I did this for a longer period of time it would help even more (I can't

seem to function without nystatin.

How much vitamin C were you taking? My doc last summer put me on crystals

to bowel tolerance, but I got so gassy I had to stop. Seem to be doing much

better on the capsules.

What kind of yeast clinsing pill are you talking about? What did you use

for your immune system?

Thanks so much,

Debm.

> The only thing that cleaned yeast colonies out of my colon was enemas.

> Neither pills nor diet ever worked after 10 years of trying. I had bowel

> problems for 22 years until I did a month of anti-yeast enemas, about a ½ cup

> of yeast killing stuff twice a day for 2 weeks got the worst of it. I now have

> almost no bowel problems. Of course eating right once they are cleared, is

> essential.

>

>

> After years of barely sustaining on pills and diets, I found the only way for

> me to effetely remove the yeast colonies and get back my health was to put a

> liquid yeast killer right on the colonies and yeast. So I injected liquid

> killer in my sinuses, mouth, vaginal, nebulizer breathing machine, etc. Once

> the overgrowth was removed (my life was given back to me), I had to stick to a

> diet that does not promote yeast. I did the food test as suggested by Dr.

> Crook, and it worked excellent once my body was clear of yeast, I could see

> within a half hour if I was getting a yeast attack from what I ate. Now I

> stick to the diet the best I can, if I cheat I take my liquid killer within a

> half hour to the affected parts and take a yeast cleansing pill if I feel it

> may be in areas I cannot reach. The next important thing for me was high doses

> of vitamins and supplements (natural fungus fighters and immune builders) to

> boost my immune system, especially vitamin C works very effectively to keep

> yeast a bay with the diet.

>

> I hope this helps,

>

> Kathy in Phoenix, AZ

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> " Hopefully, this will send a strong message to nursing mothers to

> stop doing drugs. "

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>

They should stop doing LEGAL drugs, too, some of which are far more dangerous

than cocaine.

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In a message dated 11/14/04 11:04:06 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " Hopefully, this will send a strong message to nursing mothers to

> stop doing drugs. "

>

>

They should stop doing LEGAL drugs, too, some of which are far more dangerous

than cocaine.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

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Lexapro wrote: There are 4 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Husband's meds changed

From: LARRY ROBERSON

2. Re: Husband's meds changed

From: rosered__@...

3. RE: HUSBAND'S MEDS CHANGED

From: " torifstori "

4. Get Rid Of Your Alcohol Addiction Free

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 05:22:59 -0800 (PST)

From: LARRY ROBERSON

Subject: Re: Husband's meds changed

rosered_usa wrote: We were both on Lexapro and now he's been put on Zoloft as of

this week.

I felt the old longing of trying something else and asked him could I take the

half he had left after taking his 1st half.

I've not asked for anymore since if Lex is working for me I should stay on it.

Would like to ask her (Dr.) if it'd make any sense to take a small dose of each,

and what this would or would not do for you, when I see her next week.

was on remoron for 1.5 years,made me sleep like a log,that was only

benefit,groggy all!day.switch to lexapro 5 days ago,wake up during nite & early

morning with nervous,jittery stomach.wonder if i could take half dose of remoron

at nite to sleep with lexapro,dont know if they will mix????????????

I remember being on remeron a few months back, and it made me feel all jittery

and uncomfortable. Got off it right away. Stay on lexapro; though it may take

up to 6 weeks to fully kick in.

Charlie

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