vaccines

[Guest guest]

I had no idea that heb shot n hospital was the cause of both my sons jaudice! I

took my son home before he was able to get the shot & they warned me at the

danger-THEY DIDN'T WARN ME MY SONS WERE MORE IN DANGER FROM THE ACTUAL SHOT!

things like this make me so angry!

More angry-my brother, knowing the DANGER, is going ahead & vaccinating my

neices! My 5 yr old neice has HUGE red rings around her eyes & from all that

I've learned now & heard from u guys-she is poisoned! & I can't do anything

about it!!

-- In , Arias <thinkingheads@...> wrote:

>

> I don't think he knows that his wife asked me about my daughter. I

> think the converstation is over. The seed was planted at least. I

> just cringe thinking about the Hep B needle going into another little

> baby.

> On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, P. wrote:

>

> > I find that you have to read the clues when approaching the vaccine

> > conversation. If someone asks a leading question, I answer. But, I

> > don't spill out all over them. I just give enough to gauge whether

> > they

> > are ready for more. If they are, they will ask. With some it goes all

> > the way to sending a copy of " Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and

> > Effective. " With others, it is just planting a seed that someone else

> > will water and hopefully will come to harvest at some point. Tact is

> > the key to getting the info into the hands of individuals.

> > Relationship

> > and appropriateness must always be considered before heading down the

> > vaccine education road. To be honest, from the sound of this man's

> > reply, it seems maybe you didn't know Amy well enough for the

> > volume of

> > information that you sent. He sounds as if you were badgering her. To

> > some, a single comment can be badgering, it depends on the situation.

> > P.

> >

> > >

> > > From:

> > > <mailto: %40>

> > > [mailto:

> > > <mailto: %40>]

> > > On Behalf Of Arias

> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:25 AM

> > >

> > > <mailto: %40>

> > > Subject: [ ] Vaccines

> > >

> > > I tried to explain the dangers of the Hep B vaccine to someone and

> > > this is what they wrote back:

> > >

> > > I am the husband of Amy Wurtz and I am writing you this so that you

> > > could please stop sending this panic emails to vent your

> > frustration.

> > >

> > > I could say I am sorry for the hard circumstances you are facing but

> > > the fact is I am not. Especially now that you keep trying to put

> > fear

> > > on the heads on innocent people when they are most vulnerable.

> > >

> > > We find no noble sentiment in your outreach.

> > >

> > > I'll ask you with civility to please stop this line of

> > communication.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

At the end of the day, all you can do is try........ which is more than

most do.......

wrote:

>

> Wow. There are no words. The below has me speechless.

>

> It's a shame - if people actually did any research to see how you get

> HepB -

> and realize that their one day old infant is not going to be doing those

> things, then it's really a no-brainer to not give his vaccine.

>

> I spent an hour talking to someone a couple of months ago who was due to

> give birth anytime - she seemed very nervous about what to do about

> vaccines

> and said to believe the whole autism connection. Found out last week (baby

> is just turning 2 months) that they were taking her in for her 3rd shot

> yesterday. There's only so much you can do - people just have to learn on

> their own sometimes. Such a shame for these kids.

>

> You tried. You just have to hope their child makes it through unharmed.

>

> From:

> <mailto: %40>

> [mailto:

> <mailto: %40>]

> On Behalf Of Arias

> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:25 AM

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Vaccines

>

> I tried to explain the dangers of the Hep B vaccine to someone and

> this is what they wrote back:

>

> I am the husband of Amy Wurtz and I am writing you this so that you

> could please stop sending this panic emails to vent your frustration.

>

> I could say I am sorry for the hard circumstances you are facing but

> the fact is I am not. Especially now that you keep trying to put fear

> on the heads on innocent people when they are most vulnerable.

>

> We find no noble sentiment in your outreach.

>

> I'll ask you with civility to please stop this line of communication.

>

>

[Guest guest]

We had exactly the same experience.

The main reason for ANY for the vaccines being introduced early is to

bring PROFITS forward.

dana pope wrote:

>

> What is the reasoning for giving the HepB vaccine in the hospital so

> soon after birth anyway? I found out my boys actually got this on the

> day they were born. They had trouble nursing from the get go and now

> I know why! They were hospitalized for jaundice one week later along

> with several other newborns born around the same time.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

> From: <hisblueeyes@...

> <mailto:hisblueeyes%40comcast.net>>

> Subject: RE: [ ] Vaccines

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 11:34 AM

>

> Wow. There are no words. The below has me speechless.

>

> It's a shame - if people actually did any research to see how you get

> HepB -

> and realize that their one day old infant is not going to be doing those

> things, then it's really a no-brainer to not give his vaccine.

>

> I spent an hour talking to someone a couple of months ago who was due to

> give birth anytime - she seemed very nervous about what to do about

> vaccines

> and said to believe the whole autism connection. Found out last week (baby

> is just turning 2 months) that they were taking her in for her 3rd shot

> yesterday. There's only so much you can do - people just have to learn on

> their own sometimes. Such a shame for these kids.

>

> You tried. You just have to hope their child makes it through unharmed.

>

> From: [mailto: @

> groups. com]

> On Behalf Of Arias

> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:25 AM

>

> Subject: [ ] Vaccines

>

> I tried to explain the dangers of the Hep B vaccine to someone and

> this is what they wrote back:

>

> I am the husband of Amy Wurtz and I am writing you this so that you

> could please stop sending this panic emails to vent your frustration.

>

> I could say I am sorry for the hard circumstances you are facing but

> the fact is I am not. Especially now that you keep trying to put fear

> on the heads on innocent people when they are most vulnerable.

>

> We find no noble sentiment in your outreach.

>

> I'll ask you with civility to please stop this line of communication.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This may have already been addressed, but

the Vitamin K shot also raises the risk-substantially-of a baby's

having Jaundice. Not sure offhand if the oral K is the same risk or not.

liora

>

> I had no idea that heb shot n hospital was the cause of both my

sons jaudice!

[Guest guest]

Profits? And to introduce thimerosal immediately so there's no evidence of

regression?

S S

Re: Vaccines

Posted by: " dana pope " danamichellepope@... danamichellepope

Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:25 am (PST)

What is the reasoning for giving the HepB vaccine in the hospital so soon after

birth anyway? I found out my boys actually got this on the day they were born.

They had trouble nursing from the get go and now I know why! They were

hospitalized for jaundice one week later along with several other newborns born

around the same time.

Dana

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It's more profitable than testing the mothers and they figured that babies were

suffering from a thimerosal deficiency since it was supposedly removed from some

of the other vaccines....

S S

Re: Vaccines

Posted by: " " hisblueeyes@... recoveringnicholas

Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:32 am (PST)

Mine had jaundice too - before we left the hospital - and after reading

about the hepB shot, I knew why.

The reasoning was if you were positive then you could potentially pass it on

to your child, that's what I understood anyway - anyone feel free to correct

me if I am wrong. If you're not positive, there's no reason for the

vaccine. But it's easier for them to vaccinate straight across the board.

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" thimerosal deficiency " - I LOVE THAT

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Shepard Salzer

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:46 PM

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Subject: [ ] Re: Vaccines

It's more profitable than testing the mothers and they figured that babies

were suffering from a thimerosal deficiency since it was supposedly removed

from some of the other vaccines....

S S

Re: Vaccines

Posted by: " " hisblueeyes@...

<mailto:hisblueeyes%40comcast.net> recoveringnicholas

Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:32 am (PST)

Mine had jaundice too - before we left the hospital - and after reading

about the hepB shot, I knew why.

The reasoning was if you were positive then you could potentially pass it on

to your child, that's what I understood anyway - anyone feel free to correct

me if I am wrong. If you're not positive, there's no reason for the

vaccine. But it's easier for them to vaccinate straight across the board.

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[Guest guest]

The rate of babies going Jaundice has risen significantly, but if you

talk to your average hospital worker, instead of being seen as some sign

of a problem they respond with something like....

" Oh that's very common these days.... nothing to worry about... "

lioracc wrote:

>

> This may have already been addressed, but

>

> the Vitamin K shot also raises the risk-substantially-of a baby's

> having Jaundice. Not sure offhand if the oral K is the same risk or not.

>

> liora

>

>

> >

> > I had no idea that heb shot n hospital was the cause of both my

> sons jaudice!

>

>

[Guest guest]

ha ha....

And then there was that ridiculous news report I saw some time ago that

was talking about a study that had shown by association that the mercury

in vaccines was actually making kids smarter. Unbelievable.

Shepard Salzer wrote:

>

> It's more profitable than testing the mothers and they figured that

> babies were suffering from a thimerosal deficiency since it was

> supposedly removed from some of the other vaccines....

> S S

>

> Re: Vaccines

> Posted by: " " hisblueeyes@...

> <mailto:hisblueeyes%40comcast.net> recoveringnicholas

> Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:32 am (PST)

> Mine had jaundice too - before we left the hospital - and after reading

> about the hepB shot, I knew why.

>

> The reasoning was if you were positive then you could potentially pass

> it on

> to your child, that's what I understood anyway - anyone feel free to

> correct

> me if I am wrong. If you're not positive, there's no reason for the

> vaccine. But it's easier for them to vaccinate straight across the board.

> And it makes $$ too.

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[Guest guest]

Just an FYI here.  Nursing helps reduce and regulate bilirubin levels.  Doctors

won't tell you this, maybe because they don't know.  They just want to throw the

baby under the lights.

 

Kim

>

> This may have already been addressed, but

>

> the Vitamin K shot also raises the risk-substantially- of a baby's

> having Jaundice. Not sure offhand if the oral K is the same risk or not.

>

> liora

>

>

> >

> > I had no idea that heb shot n hospital was the cause of both my

> sons jaudice!

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a very good and balanced, fully referenced, paper here

(http://www.vaclib.org/basic/vitamin-k.htm) about the controversy

about Vit. K.

By Karin Rothville DipCBEd.

> > >

> > > I had no idea that heb shot n hospital was the cause of both my

> > sons jaudice!

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Sorry to hear about your new baby. That sucks. For an alternative vaccine

schedule go to the website Safe Vaccine Schedule. It outlines a good schedule

for nt kids to use. It's the one we use with our 5 yr. old nt. boy

TACA, Sonoma County

________________________________

From: afpicone <afpicone@...>

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] vaccines

For those of you who decided to vaccinate your nt children, how did you go about

it? How did you begin? With what vacs? Did you special oreder vacs? etc..any

guidance would help. We have been strictly no vaccines since my son was

diagnosed 6 years ago, however we wre just released from the hospital with our

infant son who is suffering from whooping cough. Now we are beginning to second

guess our decision to not vaccinate. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

Thank you-Avery

[Guest guest]

Personally until I knew more about the youngest son's physical situation I would

not vaccinate him. Perhaps you could consider a homeopathic vaccination

program, to avoid the risks not to mention additives and aluminum in the regular

vaccinations.

PJ

> ________________________________

> From: afpicone <afpicone@...>

>

> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:15:07 PM

> Subject: [ ] vaccines

>

>

> For those of you who decided to vaccinate your nt children, how did you go

about it? How did you begin? With what vacs? Did you special oreder vacs?

etc..any guidance would help. We have been strictly no vaccines since my son was

diagnosed 6 years ago, however we wre just released from the hospital with our

infant son who is suffering from whooping cough. Now we are beginning to second

guess our decision to not vaccinate. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

Thank you-Avery

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear about your child. The city where my brother is had whooping cough

going around and their kids were vaccinated, but they still got it. I know lots

of kids who have been vaccinated against different things, such as chicken pox,

and still got it, or something worse like shingles. The measles outbreak in

Iowa a couple years ago included 80% of people who were vaccinated against it.

If you decide, use the alternative schedule and pick and choose what you want.

My daughter got measles from the shots (way before I knew anything about it).

There are others who talk about the homeopathic version, which I would lean more

toward if I was vaccinating my kids.

Einstein once said, " A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of the

truth " .

For those of you who decided to vaccinate your nt children, how did you go about

it? How did you begin? With what vacs? Did you special oreder vacs? etc..any

guidance would help. We have been strictly no vaccines since my son was

diagnosed 6 years ago, however we wre just released from the hospital with our

infant son who is suffering from whooping cough. Now we are beginning to second

guess our decision to not vaccinate. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

Thank you-Avery

[Guest guest]

Hi Avery,

Were vaccines involved in any way in your first child's issues? If so, then your

baby would also at high risk of having issues from vaccines.

My eldest is the one with the diagnosis, my other two are NT but I've come to

see that they also have issues which I believe vaccines either caused or

exacerbated.

So I'm others on this one in recommending that you explore other ways to reduce

the risk of viral infections in your baby. If you decide to vaccinate, I would

not recommend doing it in infancy or toddler years, but delay any shot until

later in childhood.

I hope your baby gets well soon.

p.s. I also know several people whose vaccinated kids got whooping cough so

you're not necessarily protected when vaccinated.

>

> For those of you who decided to vaccinate your nt children, how did you go

about it? How did you begin? With what vacs? Did you special oreder vacs?

etc..any guidance would help. We have been strictly no vaccines since my son was

diagnosed 6 years ago, however we wre just released from the hospital with our

infant son who is suffering from whooping cough. Now we are beginning to second

guess our decision to not vaccinate. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

Thank you-Avery

>

[Guest guest]

Hello

Im reading this book called healing and preventing autism..........healing as i

have a son diagnosed with autism and preventing because im expecting my 2nd

child.

The book says when kids are sick never vaccinate them.If you choose to vaccinate

do so when they are a little older and 1 at a time .......not 4 live viruses.

I highly recommend the book before you decide..............its by Dr jerry and

jenny mccarthy.

Let me tell you as hard as it is to see your child sick..........dont make a

decision based on emotions only.

I wish you child good health and strength to you parents

 

From: afpicone <afpicone@...>

Subject: [ ] vaccines

Received: Monday, September 21, 2009, 8:15 PM

 

For those of you who decided to vaccinate your nt children,

how did you go about it? How did you begin? With what vacs? Did you special

oreder vacs? etc..any guidance would help. We have been strictly no vaccines

since my son was diagnosed 6 years ago, however we wre just released from the

hospital with our infant son who is suffering from whooping cough. Now we are

beginning to second guess our decision to not vaccinate. Any guidance would be

much appreciated. Thank you-Avery

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Here is a very good article I wish I would ahve read and followed for my boys.

Written by a doctor even..

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/user_friendly.pdf

TJ

________________________________

From: Andree <mam78@...>

Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:49:28 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: vaccines

 

Hi Avery,

Were vaccines involved in any way in your first child's issues? If so, then your

baby would also at high risk of having issues from vaccines.

My eldest is the one with the diagnosis, my other two are NT but I've come to

see that they also have issues which I believe vaccines either caused or

exacerbated.

So I'm others on this one in recommending that you explore other ways to reduce

the risk of viral infections in your baby. If you decide to vaccinate, I would

not recommend doing it in infancy or toddler years, but delay any shot until

later in childhood.

I hope your baby gets well soon.

p.s. I also know several people whose vaccinated kids got whooping cough so

you're not necessarily protected when vaccinated.

>

> For those of you who decided to vaccinate your nt children, how did you go

about it? How did you begin? With what vacs? Did you special oreder vacs?

etc..any guidance would help. We have been strictly no vaccines since my son was

diagnosed 6 years ago, however we wre just released from the hospital with our

infant son who is suffering from whooping cough. Now we are beginning to second

guess our decision to not vaccinate. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

Thank you-Avery

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/newjersey.htm

lots of form letters here, just fill the blanks. I'm in NJ (Sussex County) and

have no problems- Preschool or elementary. Any one that tries to tell you 'Oh

your going to have issues when it's time to start school' is just trying to

bully you. I haven't been questioned, or even given a second glance when I hand

in my paperwork.

-Jenna

>

> Does anyone have any information on the vaccine laws in NJ, or how you find

out? Thank You

>

[Guest guest]

I believe they have information at the Nat'l Vaccine Info Center,

www.nvic.org.

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:41 AM, wilma1866@... <

wilma1866@...> wrote:

>

>

> Does anyone have any information on the vaccine laws in NJ, or how you find

> out? Thank You

>

>

>

--

God's blessings in Christ,

Your Partner in Health,

N. Rydland, M.D.

Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc.

Natural products and information for healthier families

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Main office:

1921 Commonwealth Drive

Charlottesville, VA 22901

434-984-KIDS (5437)

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Other offices:

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2316 Hollywood Blvd

Hollywood, Fl 33020

12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108

Miami Fl 33186

135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640

Coral Gables, FL 33146

[Guest guest]

This might help.

http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/newjersey.htm

>

> >

> >

> > Does anyone have any information on the vaccine laws in NJ, or how you find

> > out? Thank You

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> God's blessings in Christ,

> Your Partner in Health,

> N. Rydland, M.D.

> Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc.

> Natural products and information for healthier families

> www.kidswellness.com

> www.rydlandjuice.com

>

> Main office:

> 1921 Commonwealth Drive

> Charlottesville, VA 22901

> 434-984-KIDS (5437)

> Fax: 434-984-5439

>

> Other offices:

> 140 N.E. 119 St

> North Miami, FL

>

> 2316 Hollywood Blvd

> Hollywood, Fl 33020

>

> 12595 S.W. 137 Ave, Suite 108

> Miami Fl 33186

>

> 135 San Lorenzo Ave., Suite 640

> Coral Gables, FL 33146

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

so what do can be done if we're forced to take the vaccines (such as health care

workers)....is there anything to neutalize the effects of the vaccines......btw

they seem really out to kill most of the population thru the vaccines

Walk in Beauty

Starwoman

[Guest guest]

I am very much against vaccinations due to all the toxic ingredients in them. I

have heard that it is recommended to use a good clay product like living clay to

help combat the effect of the vaccines. You can make a paste of 3 parts water

to 1 part clay and put it at the vaccination site immediately after receiving it

to help draw out the poisons. Then it is also recommended to drink the clay to

help with the internal aspect. I drink clay on a regular basis. You may also

look into a good oral chelator of mercury, as vaccines are full of this.

Charcoal may also help with drawing power in a poultice.

>

>

> so what do can be done if we're forced to take the vaccines (such as health

care workers)....is there anything to neutalize the effects of the

vaccines......btw they seem really out to kill most of the population thru the

vaccines

>

> Walk in Beauty

>

> Starwoman

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes it is legal and most pediatricians unfortunately do so. Try getting

recommendations from a local alternative practitioner, La Leche League,

health food store, Holistic Moms, etc. There are also organizations that

like minded holistic pediatricians are part of, such as the American

Holistic Medical Association and Holistic Pediatric Association. She may

have to travel a distance at times, but there are more and more

pediatricians (fortunately) " seeing the light " , unfortunately, however, we

are still rare in most places.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Wilma <wilma1866@...> wrote:

>

>

> My friends are looking for a pediatrician but have been turned away since

> they don't vaccinate. Is this legal for doctors to do? How will she ever get

> a ped. doc to see her kids "

>

>

>

--

God's blessings in Christ,

Your Partner in Health,

N. Rydland, M.D.

Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc.

Natural products and information for healthier families

www.kidswellness.com

www.rydlandjuice.com

Offices in Central Virginia and South Florida

434-984-KIDS [5437]

[Guest guest]

Here is the link to the Holistic Pediatric Association

http://www.healthy.net/scr/PractitionerSearch.aspx?AssocId=34

<http://www.healthy.net/scr/PractitionerSearch.aspx?AssocId=34>And the

Holistic Medical Association.....

http://www.holisticmedicine.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1 & subarticlenbr=118

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Rydland, M.D. <

drrydland@...> wrote:

> Yes it is legal and most pediatricians unfortunately do so. Try getting

> recommendations from a local alternative practitioner, La Leche League,

> health food store, Holistic Moms, etc. There are also organizations that

> like minded holistic pediatricians are part of, such as the American

> Holistic Medical Association and Holistic Pediatric Association. She may

> have to travel a distance at times, but there are more and more

> pediatricians (fortunately) " seeing the light " , unfortunately, however, we

> are still rare in most places.

>

> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Wilma <wilma1866@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > My friends are looking for a pediatrician but have been turned away since

> > they don't vaccinate. Is this legal for doctors to do? How will she ever

> get

> > a ped. doc to see her kids "

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> God's blessings in Christ,

> Your Partner in Health,

> N. Rydland, M.D.

> Founder and developer of kidsWellness, Inc.

> Natural products and information for healthier families

> www.kidswellness.com

> www.rydlandjuice.com

>

> Offices in Central Virginia and South Florida

>

> 434-984-KIDS [5437]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're quite welcome anytime. Hope it all works out.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Wilma Jenks <wilma1866@...>wrote:

>

>

> Thank you doctor.

> On Nov 9, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Rydland, M.D. wrote:

>

> >

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