Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 Hi Firstly what is a zapper - never heard of it?! And I have candidiasis too and M.E./CFIDS and probably hypothyroid but not completely confirmed. There is a candida group on candidiasis which you may find helpful. I am no expert on candida but have battled it for 4 years now and the best thing I can recommend is the anti-candida diet and a supplement called Candex+ which kills the yeast without die-off symptoms, CP1 probiotic too from Gutdoctor www.gutdoctor.com Regards Jane Zapper > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 your symptoms are thyroid symptoms, not other " diseases " Gracia > Hi > > Firstly what is a zapper - never heard of it?! > And I have candidiasis too and M.E./CFIDS and probably hypothyroid but not > completely confirmed. There is a candida group on > candidiasis which you may find helpful. > I am no expert on candida but have battled it for 4 years now and the best > thing I can recommend is the anti-candida diet and a supplement called > Candex+ which kills the yeast without die-off symptoms, CP1 probiotic too > from Gutdoctor www.gutdoctor.com > > Regards > Jane > > > Zapper > > > > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Hi Gracia Not absolutely as it can be that you can suffer M.E./CFIDS and thyroid so it remains to be seen if I have both. I am taking Nutri Ltd Thyroid complex and only started it yesterday and instantly I felt calmer, the heavy eyes lifted - I still can't believe it! My morn temp rose too so it's looking promising! I am going to take Adrenal formula too as I feel my adrenals do need support too. I so hope I can do this nutritionally and not have to take thyroxine. Jane Zapper > > > > > > > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > > > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > > > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > > > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > > > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Hi Jane The Zapper is a device. All I know at this point is the Web Site address, " worldwithoutparasites.com " . See what you think. I did see this mentioned in the introductory message from the hypothyroid support group, maybe one of the Doctors knows something. Thanks for your response Judi Zapper > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Gracia Thanks for your advice. I just heard about my test results from the blood work. The Doctor still says that my Tsh is low but not low enough. It was .65. I'm still trying to learn all these levels they talk about. The guide lines for detecting hypothroidism Tsh count has been lowered from 0.5 and 5.0 to 0.3 to 3.04. I have no clue where mine fits in there. The Doctor doesn't even know about the new quidelines. He just an MD anyway. Now he is going to send me to an endocrinologist because my DHEA is too high. We'll probably just go round and round. Judi Zapper > > > > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow.>> There's various sites where you can purchase a zapper or get instructions to make your own. My understanding that it is used for the relief of parasites. It's also used in conjuction of cleanses and/or fasts - so please read up on it before purchasing anything. It's also a rather controversial therapy - you may want to try more conventional therapies. There's a zapper forum here: http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=93 and more information here: http://www.drhuldaclark.org/therapy_zap-plate5.asp There is a strong link between candidis and thyroid dysfunction. Here's some information: http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/candidayeast.htm Diet is critical for healing both thyroid disease and candida. It's important to get off all sugars, remove alchohol, caffeine...eat low carb diet. It's also helpful to remove diary and wheat. with Hashi's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 What is nutri Ltd thyroid complex? I believe the cure for ME/CFIDS is cortisol (adrenal hormone) and thyroid meds like Armour, not thyroxine. They really will be worth taking!!! I am on both and thank God for it. It is difficult to find a doc who understands how to use these hormones though. Glad you are feeling better. Gracia > Hi Gracia > > Not absolutely as it can be that you can suffer M.E./CFIDS and thyroid so it > remains to be seen if I have both. I am taking Nutri Ltd Thyroid complex > and only started it yesterday and instantly I felt calmer, the heavy eyes > lifted - I still can't believe it! My morn temp rose too so it's looking > promising! I am going to take Adrenal formula too as I feel my adrenals do > need support too. I so hope I can do this nutritionally and not have to > take thyroxine. > > Jane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Jane, I feel great on thyroxine. I took T3 for a short while and felt very jittery and anxious. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 You can't be treated by the TSH test cuz you will never get well! High DHEA might mean that your cortisol levels are very low. Are you in UK? I was taking 90mg Armour with a veyr low TSH---then I added cortisol and now need about 270mg Armour. Most endos are very unhelpful. Gracia > Gracia > > Thanks for your advice. I just heard about my test results from the blood work. The Doctor still says that my Tsh is low but not low enough. It was ..65. I'm still trying to learn all these levels they talk about. The guide lines for detecting hypothroidism Tsh count has been lowered from 0.5 and 5.0 to 0.3 to 3.04. I have no clue where mine fits in there. The Doctor doesn't even know about the new quidelines. He just an MD anyway. Now he is going to send me to an endocrinologist because my DHEA is too high. We'll probably just go round and round. > > Judi > Zapper > > > > > > > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > > > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > > > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > > > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > > > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Jane I went to that /candidiasis web site and it said, web site not found. Could check this out for me. I really am interested in looking at it. also how do you find the anti-candida diet? Thanks Judi Zapper > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Gracia No I not in the UK. Yea I've had experience with endos and he just argued with me about my syptoms and the MD said if your blood test come out normal would you consider anti-depresants? I with Kaiser which is a HMO. Need I say more. Judi Zapper > > > > > > > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > > > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > > > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > > > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > > > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Hi Judi If you click on the link I gave you it should take you there. Also the anti-diet I did was based on a White's Beat Candida cookbook, but there are various diets, this one is very strict including no fruit, I didn't have any fruit for 4 years and now am ok with apples and bananas. Also you may find my web-site helpful and I have added some useful links - www24.brinkster.com/hopewellhealth Jane Zapper > > > > I have had a recommendation to get the zapper because they feel that > > I might have Canditis(sp). During my research I read that > > hypothroidism can be caused by Canditis.Where in the world to I > > begin. I have all the syptoms of both illnesses. I just went in for > > new blood work. I won't hear the results until tomorrow. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 "G.T." <aiyiyiy@...> wrote: qxci-english From: "G.T." Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:15:42 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Fwd: Unable to deliver your message Dear , Don Croft's Terminator Zapper is the easiest I've seen- you just turn it on and place it on the body, and it's small enough to be carried in a purse, briefcase or even a pocket. I got mine a few years ago through the Global Light Network, but I think he has a website- just run a search on cloud 9 or cloudbusting or terminator zapper plus Don Croft in the search. Hope this helps, Gagecallalily144 <callalily144@...> wrote: Dear Qx'ers:Any suggestion on products of zappers that you have had good result from? I have a few clients that I would like to institute home therapy of zapping to complement the QX sessions...Any experience with " parazapper"?, I need something easy for a beginner who is willing to commit to this therapy at home. I want it as easy as possible to operate and comply with.Kathy, I noticed you mention that you recommend home zapping as adjunct to QX therapy as well.. any suggestions?THANKS! ............................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Could someone please tell me what a Zapper is and what it does? A Proud member of the Piggy Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Hi, Tony, I'll take your advice, you have the 10 years experience. I only met one like that. I have never heard of a skin burn due to a Zapper, but sensitivity: I can believe it. And I've read results in which HIV counts were dropped using a Zapper in the hands by some Africans. It was slow going, but it did have some effect. That may be the way medically to go. Will the user keep it up, if they don't get a bigger reaction? I don't fully know the answer. The godzilla approach, is at other end of spectrum. It's designed, I admit it, to strike the quick hard blow that could leave them reeling, but out of trouble, even if they then drop it. My worry is that they have limited faith in it. It's revealed when we see " wow " stories, how little they thought of the idea in the first place, since now it seems like a " miracle " , even though the result was entirely predictable. On the other hand, if it hurts or burns them, they are likely to drop it before it can work. It's a dilemma. Don't worrry about people believing me, I sometimes wish they would, sometimes glad they did not. Tony, Keep them zappas coming! Bob > I would go as far as to say to anyone who is chronically ill to start off > with a type for a month before going on to a Beck or G'zilla > type because the strength of the detoxes can be overwhelming if > driven too hard. > > Of course people are different and of course it doesn't work for > everyone. But I haven't yet had a device returned 'cos it was too > weak. I have had a few moans about the time that the protocol > takes, per day, and longer term. > > I have been making and selling these for about 10 years now and > have at least 5 records of where it was TOO STRONG for the user. > One was a little boy and we found that wrapping the 'trodes in dry > paper towel was acceptable to him. The other is a woman > determined to use it and what worked was that i reduced the voltage > to the voltage to the timer chip. In this case putting in higher > resistance in series with the leads did not help. The third was also a > woman but she stopped using this kind of therapy because of the > herxes. The other two were returns on the grounds of making them > worse, no discussion, so no further trying. > > Best regards, > Tony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Hi Bob, On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:05:17 -0000, bobluhrs@... wrote: >I'll take your advice, you have the 10 years experience. I only met >one like that. Now you've " met " two. I've used a Zapper for about 10 years. As, I think, I mentioned before on this list, the Zapper was the ONLY thing that took care of a severe, debilitating, chronic sinus condition I had for over 7 years. None of the 22 MDs could come up with anything to fix it. None of the other alternative methods (herbs, tai chi, acupuncture, homeopathic, vitamin-C (50 grams daily), cayenne pepper juice ...) had any effect. I tried the Zapper as a last resort, knowing that it couldn't possibly help (I've worked with electronics/electricity since I was a kid in the late 40's). But it did work, and worked unbelievably well. (I also tried a Sota magnetic pulser, which had no effect on the sinus condition.) >I have never heard of a skin burn due to a Zapper, Yes, even low voltages (6 volts) can produce a skin burn if the contact area is too small, just like a 'ziller. Because of the sinus condition, I tried two copper wires across my cheek bones. It was effective, but I had " RF " burns that took 3 weeks to heal. I developed another technique to induce some of the current to flow across my sinus area, which also worked. >but sensitivity: I can believe it. And I've read results in which >HIV counts were dropped using a Zapper in the hands by some >Africans. It was slow going, but it did have some effect. That may >be the way medically to go. Will the user keep it up, if they don't >get a bigger reaction? I don't fully know the answer. IMO, blood-borne diseases are taken care of by the 'zilla, but imbedded pathogens are better handled by the Zapper or the mag-pulser (and probably the Pap or Rife machines). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 ...you used the zapper locally, Dean, on the infection by applying electrodes across the area. That is precisely how I'd do it. I have no doubt a Zapper, or godzilla, or beck device, would clear up sinuses or infections when used as you did. All that is needed is the right path for the electrons to follow. The germ must be part of the direct path of the current, not just " somewhere in the body " . But..the lady says hold two pipes in palms of your hands. Try that on a sinus infection...with either the zapper or the godzilla. It will not work with either one. Though the pain will subside with the zapper while used, since it pacifies nerves. Once stopped the pain returns. I've tried both. You made it work because you had the knowledge. I'm glad it had enough power to disable the sinus condition. I've fought those myself, and they are awful. Now, if people would use it your way, it would be great. bG > > >I'll take your advice, you have the 10 years experience. I only met > >one like that. > > Now you've " met " two. I've used a Zapper for about 10 years. As, I > think, I mentioned before on this list, the Zapper was the ONLY thing > that took care of a severe, debilitating, chronic sinus condition I > had for over 7 years. None of the 22 MDs could come up with anything > to fix it. None of the other alternative methods (herbs, tai chi, > acupuncture, homeopathic, vitamin-C (50 grams daily), cayenne pepper > juice ...) had any effect. I tried the Zapper as a last resort, > knowing that it couldn't possibly help (I've worked with > electronics/electricity since I was a kid in the late 40's). But it > did work, and worked unbelievably well. (I also tried a Sota magnetic > pulser, which had no effect on the sinus condition.) > > >I have never heard of a skin burn due to a Zapper, > > Yes, even low voltages (6 volts) can produce a skin burn if the > contact area is too small, just like a 'ziller. Because of the sinus > condition, I tried two copper wires across my cheek bones. It was > effective, but I had " RF " burns that took 3 weeks to heal. I > developed another technique to induce some of the current to flow > across my sinus area, which also worked. > > >but sensitivity: I can believe it. And I've read results in which > >HIV counts were dropped using a Zapper in the hands by some > >Africans. It was slow going, but it did have some effect. That may > >be the way medically to go. Will the user keep it up, if they don't > >get a bigger reaction? I don't fully know the answer. > > IMO, blood-borne diseases are taken care of by the 'zilla, but > imbedded pathogens are better handled by the Zapper or the mag- pulser > (and probably the Pap or Rife machines). > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 In message <40F7E88A.31719.AEA453@localhost>, Tony Moody <aim@...> writes >I have been making and selling these for about 10 years now and >have at least 5 records of where it was TOO STRONG for the user. >One was a little boy and we found that wrapping the 'trodes in dry >paper towel was acceptable to him. Well yes. Insulating them completely by wrapping them in dry paper would certainly reduce the current. (To zero!) Having done a lot of experimentation with passing current through the body, I can definitely say that some people can feel discomfort from a fixed current more than others. This is particularly so if the skin has been damaged. I've been doing a 10mA Iontophoresis test using two trays and passing the current up one leg and down the other. (All done in a very controlled and safe manner) I wouldn't like to try the full-on official current of 20mA, since I find 10mA on the verge of tolerability. This may be due to the fact that my feet have been suffering from eczema on and off for about ten years or more. The skin is a bit bad at the moment, so the iontophoresis experiment is providing lots of stinging feedback through the exposed bits. On the other hand, the 10mA current up the legs for 20 minutes every second day (10 minutes of each polarity) seems to have had no adverse effect on my legs as a whole. The current density in the blood and it's exposure area must be quite high doing this. -- Clive http://www.bigclive.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 In message <kkdgf0p85qohnhath1h0fjal960pn9qev7@...>, Dean <dtmiller@...> writes >Yes, even low voltages (6 volts) can produce a skin burn if the >contact area is too small, just like a 'ziller. Because of the sinus >condition, I tried two copper wires across my cheek bones. It was >effective, but I had " RF " burns that took 3 weeks to heal. I >developed another technique to induce some of the current to flow >across my sinus area, which also worked. They're not really RF burns. If the contact area is very small, then even a low current will cause localised cell damage. This is quite deep and takes a while to heal. The answer is to optimise the contact area, and from my current experiments I would say that wrapping metal electrodes in wet cloth is definitely a good way to do it. The resistance of the wet cloth seems to give a diffusing effect tot he electrical current, like a huge parallel array of resistors. This helps spread a given current over a larger area. I was thinking. Maybe the iontophoresis technique could be applied to basic blood electrification by using small metal dishes connected to the current limited source, and either laying a piece of soaked fabric into them and placing the hands/fingers on that, or even using cotton gloves and placing the hands directly into the water filled dish. The electrodes could even be a plastic tray with two bits of foil glued to it, so that the user could sit with the tray on their lap and place their hands with wet cotton gloves on the pads. This would let them watch the TV during each treatment, which helps pass the time. Polarity reversal? Rotate the tray 180 degrees. -- Clive http://www.bigclive.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 tony, yes there is too much evidence to ignore the zapper. I often wondwe if the positive offset is more significant than we imagine. I use both the beck umit and the zapper and am happy with them. I have not used the godzilla as yet and will get around to it sometime. I have been intrigued with the food zappicator at 1000hz and also the tooth zappicator which is used directly in the mouth. Apparantly with the tooth zappicator we have to minimise time of usage due to herxing. Do you have any info on these rgds Andy zapper Hi Bob, I really wish you would not knock the Hulda type zapper on the grounds of weakness. I would like to see the adverse data on the clark device. I hope you do not take this as a personal attack. It is one of my 'crutches' and it is strong enough for me. I would go as far as to say to anyone who is chronically ill to start off with a type for a month before going on to a Beck or G'zilla type because the strength of the detoxes can be overwhelming if driven too hard.Of course people are different and of course it doesn't work for everyone. But I haven't yet had a device returned 'cos it was too weak. I have had a few moans about the time that the protocol takes, per day, and longer term.I have been making and selling these for about 10 years now and have at least 5 records of where it was TOO STRONG for the user. One was a little boy and we found that wrapping the 'trodes in dry paper towel was acceptable to him. The other is a woman determined to use it and what worked was that i reduced the voltage to the voltage to the timer chip. In this case putting in higher resistance in series with the leads did not help. The third was also a woman but she stopped using this kind of therapy because of the herxes. The other two were returns on the grounds of making them worse, no discussion, so no further trying.Best regards,TonyOn 15 Jul 2004 at 23:39, bobluhrs@... wrote:> joel, this may/may not happen with zapping ala . the data on> 's machine is not encouraging when used via handheld electrodes,> and the device is overall very weak. I hope you succeed with it. > But, if not build a Lite godzilla and use on two wrist arteries, cost> you 3 bucks and takes a few minutes to build. Used a couple hours a> day it will probably fix you up as you envision so you can then move> to better equipment. Your doctor may put you on drugs due to viremia,> and low CD4 counts. Your symptoms indicate a test is a good idea, and> it may not be very good when it comes back. We've been over this 1000> times, it seems people just don't get it.> > Science is on your side, luckily, but you have to separate the valid> lab science from experiments, guesswork, testimonials, and PR that> simply are not controlled, and by someone selling books, vitamins,> devices, and very expensive consulting services, and not doing any> real research with the funds so generated. > > I'm not selling this godzilla thing, just pointing out "how stuff> works" to the world. You hopefully will see some good results, but> it's hit and miss since the current is low and the location of> electrodes is not right to hit the HIV germs. She did make> electricity popular, and that is something. All it needs now is to be> properly applied, and that she didn't do, nor does it look like she> ever will. Just my opinion, , good luck.> > bG> > > I woul've liked to start with Godzill > > at least if I can zap myself up to a reasonable energy level then > I > > can build the Godzilla. I know I should've started with the > > microelectricity before I did all this reading but hindsight is> > usually perfect vision. So here's wiushing me luck otherwise they> > might as well bury me now. > Tony Moody-- A I Moody, PO Box 24, Hogsback 5721, Eastern Cape, South AfricaTel/Fax : 045 962 1131 Cellphone : 073 270 6411 email : aim@...The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 I'm jumping into this thread a little late, but it may or may not be of worth that I have recived a burn from a zapper of the stomach held in place by a loose waist band. About 30 minutes of time possibly, maybe less. I naturally should have moved it. But yep, some of us have sensitive skin. I had no idea until I started tissue electrification. After 6 months, it's almost invisible. I have a 6 month small burn on the wrist from using the gelled pads on the wrist with a 6 speed zilla at around 1 milliamp. Those gel pads caught me surprise. Much prefer the trodes. I have a MUCH more visible circle burn of 2 months from the Terminator zapper...and several others. Sold it. Unlike others, I had to constantly move it from place to place every 10 to 15 minutes. I have several burns from this machine. As such, I consider the godzilla machine very user friendly and real versatile. I have V's 6 speed version. I am merley adding my own experiences. WITHOUT A DOUBT, these are small surface burns essentailly and for me worth the trouble easily. Additionally, it is important to understand that their is a bit of both negligence and " experimentation " by yours truly involved with any of my small burns. Typically I may overdo it with testing the boundaries and versatility/results of each NEW device I buy....then I calm down. As Bob as noted many many times, it simply doesn't look necessary to use high milliamps to acheive results with the Godzilla. Looks like I got me some real soft skin too that I didn't know about. I enjoy using both zappers AND blood electrifiers. > Hi, Tony, > > I have never heard of a skin burn due to a Zapper, > but sensitivity: I can believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 Hi Clive, How about pouring some salt/bicarb solution inside wellies and connecting to them. Then you could walk around while being ionted. clip the device to belt or put in pocket. Stainless steel shimstock works very well as an electrode, but the edges are very sharp so care to blunt or cover them. Putting the shim inside a pair of cotton sock works easily, cheaply and very well. Brass shim is easier to work and doesn't have the incredibly sharp little burrs. Connect with crock clips or maybe fix a stud for a snap connector like the medics have on the eeg/ecg electrodes. There is an artificial cloth used in kitchen which works very well. it is about 3mm or 4mm thick, looks like fine sponge or felt. soaks up water like crazy. cuts and sews well and is tough. Here is a thought. Rubber gloves or wellies each with a conductive patch inside with the connection outside. Use some conductive gel inside the gloves to spread the current. Keep the current rate down and prevent spikes with a cap across the output. Lots of ways to do this. Be safe, Tony aim@... On 17 Jul 2004 at 0:08, Clive wrote: > In message <kkdgf0p85qohnhath1h0fjal960pn9qev7@...>, Dean > <dtmiller@...> writes >Yes, even low voltages (6 volts) can > produce a skin burn if the >contact area is too small, just like a > 'ziller. Because of the sinus >condition, I tried two copper wires > across my cheek bones. It was >effective, but I had " RF " burns that > took 3 weeks to heal. I >developed another technique to induce some > of the current to flow >across my sinus area, which also worked. > > They're not really RF burns. If the contact area is very small, then > even a low current will cause localised cell damage. This is quite > deep and takes a while to heal. > > The answer is to optimise the contact area, and from my current > experiments I would say that wrapping metal electrodes in wet cloth is > definitely a good way to do it. The resistance of the wet cloth seems > to give a diffusing effect tot he electrical current, like a huge > parallel array of resistors. This helps spread a given current over a > larger area. > > I was thinking. Maybe the iontophoresis technique could be applied to > basic blood electrification by using small metal dishes connected to > the current limited source, and either laying a piece of soaked fabric > into them and placing the hands/fingers on that, or even using cotton > gloves and placing the hands directly into the water filled dish. The > electrodes could even be a plastic tray with two bits of foil glued to > it, so that the user could sit with the tray on their lap and place > their hands with wet cotton gloves on the pads. This would let them > watch the TV during each treatment, which helps pass the time. > Polarity reversal? Rotate the tray 180 degrees. > > -- > Clive > http://www.bigclive.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 On 16 Jul 2004 at 23:56, Clive wrote: > In message <40F7E88A.31719.AEA453@localhost>, Tony Moody > <aim@...> writes >I have been making and selling these for about > 10 years now and >have at least 5 records of where it was TOO STRONG > for the user. >One was a little boy and we found that wrapping the > 'trodes in dry >paper towel was acceptable to him. > > Well yes. Insulating them completely by wrapping them in dry paper > would certainly reduce the current. (To zero!) Hi Clive, bg is going to hate this but, From a zapper there is a small RF field which could be coupling with the perineural nervous system. At the time mine were set to about 30kHz. A group of radionics people saw the field as a brightening and increasing of the blue around me. This collapsed when I put my hands together while holding the copper pipes. Dr. Becker had quite a bit to say about the perineural coupling, don't know if it made it into peer reviewed papers but I first read it in his Body Electric. Be happy, Tony > <snip> > > -- > Clive > http://www.bigclive.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 Hello Tony, I agree with regarding the zapper, but, as you and others have pointed out, it has to be used with knowledge of what is to be done. Just applying the leads from wrist to wrist is not always the best. That pertains to all of these devices and methods, there is a lot to learn about how to use them to avoid adverse effects. I haven't tried a Godzilla device yet, no need to at this point, I stay well with colloidal silver, an occasional use of the zapper, and good eating habits. jackson zapper Hi Bob, I really wish you would not knock the Hulda type zapper on the grounds of weakness. I would like to see the adverse data on the clark device. I hope you do not take this as a personal attack. It is one of my 'crutches' and it is strong enough for me. I would go as far as to say to anyone who is chronically ill to start off with a type for a month before going on to a Beck or G'zilla type because the strength of the detoxes can be overwhelming if driven too hard.Of course people are different and of course it doesn't work for everyone. But I haven't yet had a device returned 'cos it was too weak. I have had a few moans about the time that the protocol takes, per day, and longer term.I have been making and selling these for about 10 years now and have at least 5 records of where it was TOO STRONG for the user. One was a little boy and we found that wrapping the 'trodes in dry paper towel was acceptable to him. The other is a woman determined to use it and what worked was that i reduced the voltage to the voltage to the timer chip. In this case putting in higher resistance in series with the leads did not help. The third was also a woman but she stopped using this kind of therapy because of the herxes. The other two were returns on the grounds of making them worse, no discussion, so no further trying.Best regards,TonyOn 15 Jul 2004 at 23:39, bobluhrs@... wrote:> joel, this may/may not happen with zapping ala . the data on> 's machine is not encouraging when used via handheld electrodes,> and the device is overall very weak. I hope you succeed with it. > But, if not build a Lite godzilla and use on two wrist arteries, cost> you 3 bucks and takes a few minutes to build. Used a couple hours a> day it will probably fix you up as you envision so you can then move> to better equipment. Your doctor may put you on drugs due to viremia,> and low CD4 counts. Your symptoms indicate a test is a good idea, and> it may not be very good when it comes back. We've been over this 1000> times, it seems people just don't get it.> > Science is on your side, luckily, but you have to separate the valid> lab science from experiments, guesswork, testimonials, and PR that> simply are not controlled, and by someone selling books, vitamins,> devices, and very expensive consulting services, and not doing any> real research with the funds so generated. > > I'm not selling this godzilla thing, just pointing out "how stuff> works" to the world. You hopefully will see some good results, but> it's hit and miss since the current is low and the location of> electrodes is not right to hit the HIV germs. She did make> electricity popular, and that is something. All it needs now is to be> properly applied, and that she didn't do, nor does it look like she> ever will. Just my opinion, , good luck.> > bG> > > I woul've liked to start with Godzill > > at least if I can zap myself up to a reasonable energy level then > I > > can build the Godzilla. I know I should've started with the > > microelectricity before I did all this reading but hindsight is> > usually perfect vision. So here's wiushing me luck otherwise they> > might as well bury me now. > Tony Moody-- A I Moody, PO Box 24, Hogsback 5721, Eastern Cape, South AfricaTel/Fax : 045 962 1131 Cellphone : 073 270 6411 email : aim@...The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything a! bout repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 Hi Dean, What was the other method you used besides the copper wires to clear up your sinuses?-- - In , Dean <dtmiller@m...> wrote: > Hi Bob, > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:05:17 -0000, bobluhrs@m... wrote: > > >I'll take your advice, you have the 10 years experience. I only met > >one like that. > > Now you've " met " two. I've used a Zapper for about 10 years. As, I > think, I mentioned before on this list, the Zapper was the ONLY thing > that took care of a severe, debilitating, chronic sinus condition I > had for over 7 years. None of the 22 MDs could come up with anything > to fix it. None of the other alternative methods (herbs, tai chi, > acupuncture, homeopathic, vitamin-C (50 grams daily), cayenne pepper > juice ...) had any effect. I tried the Zapper as a last resort, > knowing that it couldn't possibly help (I've worked with > electronics/electricity since I was a kid in the late 40's). But it > did work, and worked unbelievably well. (I also tried a Sota magnetic > pulser, which had no effect on the sinus condition.) > > >I have never heard of a skin burn due to a Zapper, > > Yes, even low voltages (6 volts) can produce a skin burn if the > contact area is too small, just like a 'ziller. Because of the sinus > condition, I tried two copper wires across my cheek bones. It was > effective, but I had " RF " burns that took 3 weeks to heal. I > developed another technique to induce some of the current to flow > across my sinus area, which also worked. > > >but sensitivity: I can believe it. And I've read results in which > >HIV counts were dropped using a Zapper in the hands by some > >Africans. It was slow going, but it did have some effect. That may > >be the way medically to go. Will the user keep it up, if they don't > >get a bigger reaction? I don't fully know the answer. > > IMO, blood-borne diseases are taken care of by the 'zilla, but > imbedded pathogens are better handled by the Zapper or the mag-pulser > (and probably the Pap or Rife machines). > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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