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[Guest guest]

In the beginning, Bob did discuss making and using the Beck and the units, and even has some of the earlier schematics and plans in the files, but for a long time this group has basically limited the discussion to the Godzilla and its modifications.

's, Becks and Magnetic Pulsers are thoroughly and more properly discussed on their own groups.

Thanks,

Dick

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Hi Bob, I really wish you would not knock the Hulda type zapper on the grounds of weakness. I would like to see the adverse data on the clark device. I hope you do not take this as a personal attack. It is one of my 'crutches' and it is strong enough for me. I would go as far as to say to anyone who is chronically ill to start off with a type for a month before going on to a Beck or G'zilla type because the strength of the detoxes can be overwhelming if driven too hard.Of course people are different and of course it doesn't work for everyone. But I haven't yet had a device returned 'cos it was too weak. I have had a few moans about the time that the protocol takes, per day, and longer term.I have been making and selling these for about 10 years now and have at least 5 records of where it was TOO STRONG for the user. One was a little boy and we found that wrapping the 'trodes in dry paper towel was acceptable to him. The other is a woman determined to use it and what worked was that i reduced the voltage to the voltage to the timer chip. In this case putting in higher resistance in series with the leads did not help. The third was also a woman but she stopped using this kind of therapy because of the herxes. The other two were returns on the grounds of making them worse, no discussion, so no further trying.Best regards,TonyOn 15 Jul 2004 at 23:39, bobluhrs@... wrote:> joel, this may/may not happen with zapping ala . the data on> 's machine is not encouraging when used via handheld electrodes,> and the device is overall very weak. I hope you succeed with it. > But, if not build a Lite godzilla and use on two wrist arteries, cost> you 3 bucks and takes a few minutes to build. Used a couple hours a> day it will probably fix you up as you envision so you can then move> to better equipment. Your doctor may put you on drugs due to viremia,> and low CD4 counts. Your symptoms indicate a test is a good idea, and> it may not be very good when it comes back. We've been over this 1000> times, it seems people just don't get it.> > Science is on your side, luckily, but you have to separate the valid> lab science from experiments, guesswork, testimonials, and PR that> simply are not controlled, and by someone selling books, vitamins,> devices, and very expensive consulting services, and not doing any> real research with the funds so generated. > > I'm not selling this godzilla thing, just pointing out "how stuff> works" to the world. You hopefully will see some good results, but> it's hit and miss since the current is low and the location of> electrodes is not right to hit the HIV germs. She did make> electricity popular, and that is something. All it needs now is to be> properly applied, and that she didn't do, nor does it look like she> ever will. Just my opinion, , good luck.> > bG> > > I woul've liked to start with Godzill > > at least if I can zap myself up to a reasonable energy level then > I > > can build the Godzilla. I know I should've started with the > > microelectricity before I did all this reading but hindsight is> > usually perfect vision. So here's wiushing me luck otherwise they> > might as well bury me now. > Tony Moody-- A I Moody, PO Box 24, Hogsback 5721, Eastern Cape, South AfricaTel/Fax : 045 962 1131 Cellphone : 073 270 6411 email : aim@...The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything a! bout repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

In message <40F91C91.7727.1AAF5C@localhost>, Tony Moody <aim@...>

writes

>Here is a thought.

>Rubber gloves or wellies each with a conductive patch inside with

>the connection outside. Use some conductive gel inside the gloves

>to spread the current. Keep the current rate down and prevent

>spikes with a cap across the output.

You must have been experimenting too.

I have tried the boots a while back for a completely different

experiment. I put a bit of copper screening tape underneath an

absorbent sole so that bare feet could be used, but I ran the wire up

from the soul because I didn't want to make a hole in the boot.

Walking about is erm... squelchy.

As for putting a cap over the output. I was toying with that for the

iontophoresis experiment, since the polarity change over mid-session is

a bit " intense " . The quick curve in voltage as the cap first

discharged, then reverse charged from the current limited source would

soften the transition. Anything's better than a square wave.

It might be best to use a non-polarised electrolytic as used in speaker

crossovers. A high value discharge resistor would be good so that the

unit didn't store a charge across the output when switched off.

--

Clive

http://www.bigclive.com

[Guest guest]

In message <40F91C92.11174.1AB421@localhost>, Tony Moody <aim@...>

writes

>bg is going to hate this but, From a zapper there is a small RF field

>which could be coupling with the perineural nervous system. At the

>time mine were set to about 30kHz. A group of radionics people saw

>the field as a brightening and increasing of the  blue around me. This

>collapsed when I put my hands together while holding the copper

>pipes. Dr. Becker had quite a bit to say about the perineural

>coupling, don't know if it made it into peer reviewed papers but I

>first

>read it in his Body Electric.

I always wondered if the concept of using high frequency pulsing of the

DC was to try and create the electrical effect known as the " skin

effect " where current will tend to flow over the surface of a conductor

rather than through the middle. I'm not sure if just pulsing the

current on and off will do this. I always thought it would need

polarity reversal.

On the other hand, if the skin effect was being sought to concentrate

the current through the surface of the body where most of the blood

distribution is, then maybe just plain DC will tend to concentrate there

anyway, since the blood may be the most conductive component of the

limb.

--

Clive

http://www.bigclive.com

[Guest guest]

The higher the frequency, the more skin effect there is. There is no skin effect with DC, but charges always flow through the least resistance in the highest amount. Probably you are right, there is more DC current flow through the blood, and probably, the lymph system too. I used to tell my high school electronics students that a flashlight battery could kill them. One of them went home and tried it, i.e. wires soldered to the ends and needles at the other ends. From what I heard, it knocked him on his rear and I dropped that bit of information from my lectures.

jackson

Re: Re: zapper

In message <40F91C92.11174.1AB421@localhost>, Tony Moody <aim@...> writes>bg is going to hate this but, From a zapper there is a small RF field>which could be coupling with the perineural nervous system. At the>time mine were set to about 30kHz. A group of radionics people saw>the field as a brightening and increasing of the blue around me. This>collapsed when I put my hands together while holding the copper>pipes. Dr. Becker had quite a bit to say about the perineural>coupling, don't know if it made it into peer reviewed papers but I >first>read it in his Body Electric.I always wondered if the concept of using high frequency pulsing of the DC was to try and create the electrical effect known as the "skin effect" where current will tend to flow over the surface of a conductor rather than through the middle. I'm not sure if just pulsing the current on and off will do this. I always thought it would need polarity reversal.On the other hand, if the skin effect was being sought to concentrate the current through the surface of the body where most of the blood distribution is, then maybe just plain DC will tend to concentrate there anyway, since the blood may be the most conductive component of the limb.-- Clive http://www.bigclive.comThe group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

Yes I agree with you whole heartedly Dick, that we basically discuss

G'zilla and its modification, its use, safety aspects, ease and

cheapness of construct, methods and places of attachment etc. And

most of all for the successes published, which I find very

encouraging. BG is to be admired greatly for sticking to his recipe,

and the science behind it, for documenting each step, and for

encouraging discussion of treatments and progress.

I also like that BG allows a bit of discussion of other modalities which

are off the topic of G'zilla.

Be very well,

Tony

On 17 Jul 2004 at 10:47, Dick Rochon wrote:

>

> In the beginning, Bob did discuss making and using the Beck and the

> units, and even has some of the earlier schematics and plans in

> the files, but for a long timethis grouphas basically limited the

> discussion to the Godzilla and its modifications.

>

> 's, Becks and Magnetic Pulsers are thoroughly and more properly

> discussed on their own groups.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dick

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:21:59 -0000, " tzphillips "

<tzphillips@...> wrote:

>Hi Dean, What was the other method you used besides the copper wires

>to clear up your sinuses?--

Here's the response I sent to another list member who asked the same

question in an email:

**************************************

What I did is to hold the wetted wands (remember, I'm using 's

zapper that uses 2 copper pipes covered with a cotton cloth -- I used

infant socks for the covering) in my hands, as is done with the

original instructions for using the zapper. Then I moisten (with a

spray bottle of water) the backs of my fingers where " the thinker "

would rest his chin -- between the first and second knuckles (counting

from the back of the hand). Then I grab the wands and rest my cheeks

on the backs of my fingers. The effect is not obvious at first, but I

definitely feel a lessening of fluid pressure after a few minutes.

***************************************

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF

[Guest guest]

> I am sure many of

> you are familiar with zappers that Hulda uses to

> kill the parasites and viruses.

I tried using a Hulda zapper at a time when I had

viruses and parasites, and did not observe any beneficial

effect.

And I know someone on another discussion list that blames

the zapper for her electrical sensitivity.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Marc, so you are saying that this zapper did not work

> for you. How did you know you had parasites. Is there

> a medical test?

There are medical tests and their are naturapthic

doctor tests (e.g. Great Smokies Lab). For me, the

medical tests were negative (no parasites) and the

naturapathic tests were positive (yes parasites).

I don't personally think tests are all that helpful,

because most doctors don't know what to do to solve

the problem even when they know what the problem is!

Marc

[Guest guest]

it depends on the brand :

older ones have metal sticks you have to hold while zapping,

the new ones have like bracelets you put around your wristles

and they also have pads you can fix anywhere you want to zap on your body

you fix them, you turn the machine on and it zappes -

but it takes more than an hour (because the programm has to zapp three times

each tention to be shure to kill it all),

so it's very good to have the new zapper with " bracelets " so you can write

on your computer while zapping, or cook or anything

love

>

> How do you use a zapper?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sorry: not wristles but wrists (language)

[Guest guest]

Hello Frans,

so you want to prove, that something you never experienced or saw with your

own eyes, should not work.

I own several types of zappers, and we have found very good results.

However, we use mainly a frequency generator, like the M.O.R.I.

And we are very satisfied with the results.

They come very quick.

I do not care what others think or believe theoretically.

What matters is what can be achieved in practice.

In the past weeks, we have also encountered phenomena, which can only be

explained by longitudinal waves.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.hetbitje.nl

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>

>

> Dear all,

>

> I asked prof. Lai about the claim by Hulda that he has found

> the zapper to kill bacteria etcetera. Here is his short and clear

> answer:

> -------

>

> No, I have never tested the zapper on parasites, viruses, and fungio.

> It did not work on a type of bacteria, E. coli.

>

> Henry Lai

> -------

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I'm curious about the zapper(s) and, like you, value experience over

theory.

In your experience, does there seem to be a risk for ES people who

use the zapper? (I.e. will the electric charge aggravate ES condition

or symptoms?)

Is there one particular zapper that you have found most effective

and/or safest?

Thank you.

Cara

> Hello Frans,

>

> so you want to prove, that something you never experienced or saw

with your

> own eyes, should not work.

>

> I own several types of zappers, and we have found very good

results.

> However, we use mainly a frequency generator, like the M.O.R.I.

> And we are very satisfied with the results.

> They come very quick.

>

> I do not care what others think or believe theoretically.

> What matters is what can be achieved in practice.

>

> In the past weeks, we have also encountered phenomena, which can

only be

> explained by longitudinal waves.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton Antivirus

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Cara,

the Zappers work with some 30.000 Hz, but are not pulsed.

They work with a battery of 9Volt.

The output is very weak.

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina161.html they are shown.

The Zapper has two hand electrodes, and works for 7 minutes. Then you

pause 20 minutes. Again 7 minutes Zapping. And a pause of 20 minutes. And

finally 7 minutes again. And this ritual daily.

The american Terminator2 has two coins mounted as electrodes. One may wear

it for 24 hours, on the body. I place it under my trousers belt, in order to

hold it there. But you can waer it anywhere, as long as it has contact with

the flesh.

As far as I know, no electrosensitive people have had any negative effects.

Neither did they with other bioresonance apparatus, like the Molecular

Oscillation Resonance Instrument, or the Multiple Wave Oscillator.

Both machines we use frequently, and do have only positive results.

Visiting a store like Ikea has a devastating effect on us; the negative

effects do last for hours and fade away very slowly!

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton Antivirus

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>

>

> Hello ,

>

> I'm curious about the zapper(s) and, like you, value experience over

> theory.

>

> In your experience, does there seem to be a risk for ES people who

> use the zapper? (I.e. will the electric charge aggravate ES condition

> or symptoms?)

>

> Is there one particular zapper that you have found most effective

> and/or safest?

>

> Thank you.

>

> Cara

>

>

> > Hello Frans,

> >

> > so you want to prove, that something you never experienced or saw

> with your

> > own eyes, should not work.

> >

> > I own several types of zappers, and we have found very good

> results.

> > However, we use mainly a frequency generator, like the M.O.R.I.

> > And we are very satisfied with the results.

> > They come very quick.

> >

> > I do not care what others think or believe theoretically.

> > What matters is what can be achieved in practice.

> >

> > In the past weeks, we have also encountered phenomena, which can

> only be

> > explained by longitudinal waves.

> >

> > Greetings,

> > Claessens

> > member Verband Baubiologie

> > www.milieuziektes.nl

> > www.hetbitje.nl

> > checked by Norton Antivirus

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cara & !

The zapper is a square wave generator generating pulses with a amplitude

of approximately 9V. That means that the pulses low voltage is

approximately 0V and the high voltage is approximately +9V, all related

to the battery's negative pole.

Of course it generate nothing but pulses!

9V pulses is not very weak, considering signal levels of the magnitude

0,01V in our bodies!

There is definitely a drawback for ES people using the ZAPPER: It makes

the red blood cells gluing together and thereby decreasing the

transport of oxygen in our bodies! That is a phenomena characteristic

for ES people!

The zapper is built using a 555-timer circuit (price less then 1$).

Manufactured and ready for the market: definitely less then 15$ (if you

produce a batch of 100)!

If you build only one zapper, less then 15$ goes for components, cover

etc., not including any salary for your time (if you know what you are

doing, you will finish up within 1-2h).

best regards,

Anders sson

stichting milieuziektes wrote:

> Hello Cara,

>

> the Zappers work with some 30.000 Hz, but are not pulsed.

> They work with a battery of 9Volt.

> The output is very weak.

> On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina161.html they are shown.

> The Zapper has two hand electrodes, and works for 7 minutes. Then you

> pause 20 minutes. Again 7 minutes Zapping. And a pause of 20 minutes. And

> finally 7 minutes again. And this ritual daily.

> The american Terminator2 has two coins mounted as electrodes. One may wear

> it for 24 hours, on the body. I place it under my trousers belt, in order to

> hold it there. But you can waer it anywhere, as long as it has contact with

> the flesh.

>

> As far as I know, no electrosensitive people have had any negative effects.

> Neither did they with other bioresonance apparatus, like the Molecular

> Oscillation Resonance Instrument, or the Multiple Wave Oscillator.

> Both machines we use frequently, and do have only positive results.

>

> Visiting a store like Ikea has a devastating effect on us; the negative

> effects do last for hours and fade away very slowly!

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton Antivirus

>

>

> Re: zapper

>

>

>

>>

>>Hello ,

>>

>>I'm curious about the zapper(s) and, like you, value experience over

>>theory.

>>

>>In your experience, does there seem to be a risk for ES people who

>>use the zapper? (I.e. will the electric charge aggravate ES condition

>>or symptoms?)

>>

>>Is there one particular zapper that you have found most effective

>>and/or safest?

>>

>>Thank you.

>>

>>Cara

>>

>>

>>

>>>Hello Frans,

>>>

>>>so you want to prove, that something you never experienced or saw

>>

>>with your

>>

>>>own eyes, should not work.

>>>

>>>I own several types of zappers, and we have found very good

>>

>>results.

>>

>>>However, we use mainly a frequency generator, like the M.O.R.I.

>>>And we are very satisfied with the results.

>>>They come very quick.

>>>

>>>I do not care what others think or believe theoretically.

>>>What matters is what can be achieved in practice.

>>>

>>>In the past weeks, we have also encountered phenomena, which can

>>

>>only be

>>

>>>explained by longitudinal waves.

>>>

>>>Greetings,

>>> Claessens

>>>member Verband Baubiologie

>>>www.milieuziektes.nl

>>>www.hetbitje.nl

>>>checked by Norton Antivirus

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hello Anders,

I measured the Zapper.

It gives 38.76 kHz and 3.996 V.

Nice square waves without any frudges.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.hetbitje.nl

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> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >>Hello ,

> >>

> >>I'm curious about the zapper(s) and, like you, value experience over

> >>theory.

> >>

> >>In your experience, does there seem to be a risk for ES people who

> >>use the zapper? (I.e. will the electric charge aggravate ES condition

> >>or symptoms?)

> >>

> >>Is there one particular zapper that you have found most effective

> >>and/or safest?

> >>

> >>Thank you.

> >>

> >>Cara

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>Hello Frans,

> >>>

> >>>so you want to prove, that something you never experienced or saw

> >>

> >>with your

> >>

> >>>own eyes, should not work.

> >>>

> >>>I own several types of zappers, and we have found very good

> >>

> >>results.

> >>

> >>>However, we use mainly a frequency generator, like the M.O.R.I.

> >>>And we are very satisfied with the results.

> >>>They come very quick.

> >>>

> >>>I do not care what others think or believe theoretically.

> >>>What matters is what can be achieved in practice.

> >>>

> >>>In the past weeks, we have also encountered phenomena, which can

> >>

> >>only be

> >>

> >>>explained by longitudinal waves.

> >>>

> >>>Greetings,

> >>> Claessens

> >>>member Verband Baubiologie

> >>>www.milieuziektes.nl

> >>>www.hetbitje.nl

> >>>checked by Norton Antivirus

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

, can you tell more about the phenomena?

--- In , " stichting milieuziektes " >

>

> I do not care what others think or believe theoretically.

> What matters is what can be achieved in practice.

>

> In the past weeks, we have also encountered phenomena, which can

only be

> explained by longitudinal waves.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton Antivirus

>

>

>

> zapper

>

>

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I asked prof. Lai about the claim by Hulda that he has found

> > the zapper to kill bacteria etcetera. Here is his short and clear

> > answer:

> > -------

> >

> > No, I have never tested the zapper on parasites, viruses, and

fungio.

> > It did not work on a type of bacteria, E. coli.

> >

> > Henry Lai

> > -------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Why not simply follow Dr. 's own recommendations, and use copper pipe hand

holds wrapped in paper towel? You get much more contact area, better pressure

and no irritation.

Dr. does NOT endorse or use wrist bands or the sticky pads as far as I

have ever seen. And please note that she has NOTHING whatever to do with the

" Dr. " Research Association, .net or .com, so their use of

wristbands does not come with her blessing.

I personally use hand holds or foot pads for zapping, and never have irritation.

Foot pads of sheet metal or aluminum foil are easy to make, and give optimal

contact area and pressure while leaving your hands free. Put them under your

computer desk while you surf the Net!

Blessings!

Arthur

www.bestzapper.com

zapper

Hi All,

I have been using the zapper for 5 days (3.6 hours each day) now and

have a simple question about the gel sticky pads. Where can you stick

them when zapping? I know that I can use them on the palms of my hands

but that is a little restrictive, using them for so long at a time, and

wonder if I can use them anywhere else. I had in the past tried using

them on the backs of my hands but that left a purple bruise.

I used the wrist bands for 2 of these days running but this has left an

itchy rash on that area & for a few inches above it. I last night used

the wrist bands on my ankles which did not leave a mark (only the 1 day

though) but this was very restrictive as the leads are not long enough

to walk around easily with ankle bands on. I also have longer yellow

bands but the weather has not been warm enough to want wet bands on my

neck or waist.

I should appreciate any suggestions, particularly on the use of the gel

pads.

Val

[Guest guest]

Hi le,

It sounds like you are making progress. A little electricity goes a

very long way, I think you'll find.

With HIV, some have been trying an idea of mine, mainly putting pads

of wetted cloth one on the intestinal area, just below belly button,

and the other in back of spine at the same level. The idea is to hit

the HIV in the gut where a lot of it is suspected to hang out. You

might want to try that as an additional way to reduce the viral load

overall, and to lighten the strain on the T-cells. Most T-cells

live in the lining of the gut, where they protect you from toxins

and things that try to enter the body through what you eat. So this

could be very helpful, and I'd think worth a try to research it.

As for the lymph, there's a device now that emits a magnetic pulse

in a special wave that may be capable of neutralizing the virus

inside the lymph nodes directly. It is sold by Bil Green, and he is

the only one making this at this time, so look him up on the message

forum and ask about it. It may be helpful, also. I am not

connected with Bil, and have not been selling anything, ever, so

this is not a recommendation to buy anything, just should check it

out. The technical details are pretty simple but the fact is the

device may be one of the only magnetic pulsers that really does

anything good for HIV in lymph nodes.

Still, even with your VMAN device, you should face a future much

brighter and more germ-free than even folks without HIV, the

electricity is very useful for most microbes, and HIV is a very

pussy microbe, real slow growing. In fact, if you get the load down

only 25% in 3 weeks, it usually takes 3 months after that to come

back up...it's that slow. Takes years to get big. And we know it

is sensitive to electricity, and does not multiply in presence of DC

current such as the VMAN device uses, or for that matter, so does

the simple Apprentice Godzilla device.

I'll post your results in our files, and hey, keep doin' it, you

should, I think, be able to keep it very well-controlled with just

the device. Really the things that get you with HIV are other

infections, and all of them can be dealt with electrically. So far

none have been found that can stand electrification, not even some

fungus, bacteria, very hardy virus strains, like colds, etc,

nothing, they all go. So, cheer up and start planning a life for

yourself, I think odds are all in your favor, so long as you get it

down a bit as you have been, then go into a lighter maintenance mode

to gradually reduce and keep it down. Keep water ingestion and

exercise to eliminate the toxins, of course. But that period of

herxing will be pretty brief, then you'll get back your energy.

bob

> Hi all

> I haven't written since I bought the zapper from VMAN a little

more

> than a month ago. I received the Beck Papers and went through the

> CD to get as much understanding as I could in knowing how to use

the

> zapper. I wanted to use it and then give an oppinion/testimony on

my

> experience; and other things prevented me from writing sooner

too.

> When I first received the zapper I could take up to the max. 2.5

> milliamps on the zapper. I wasn't going for that range the zapper

> went up that high without me knowing. From time to time I would

let

> it stay because it wasn't bothering me & the milliamps from 0-1 I

> didn't feel. After about 4 days I had to decrease down to 1ma. I

> begain to feel the volts pretty strong. I again decrease it

to .05

> after a few days. I am at .1-.5ma's. I am getting little pin

> shocks in different parts of my body even when I don't have the

> zapper attached and pain in my right wrist, arm and shoulder. My

> nerves/or tendons hurt if I zap above 1 now. I just read today

> about another person who was using an electro rife/Zapper, who

> talked about these machine depleting the minerals in your body

> causing tendon/muscle/nerve pain. I just bought a book Saturday

> called The Cleanse cookbook, by Dreher. It is teaching

me

> to cleanse inner/outter cell, lymph system, & colon with steaming

> veg, making soups with vegies for mineral replacement, juicing &

> eating raw fruits and vegies. No meat, fish etc. I will start the

> cleansing diet today. I've been taking inlet sea minerals &

> electrolytes but the book says that the body assimulates the

> steamed/raw vegie minerals totally. They give the body the

> electrical charge the body needs much better than the salt water

> minerals. The Beck papers says you can erradicate HIV in 2 weeks

> with the zapper & CS. I am also doing the coconut oil. That

hasn't

> happened yet, but the positive thing is that my viral load went

> down, my T cell count went down alittle too. The viral load is

what

> counts. T cells fluctuates. The CS has alot of positive reactions

> on my body. My sore throat went away, the pain in my chest and the

> heaviness I felt when I lay on my back went away, the invisiable

> lining in my throat and mouth started peelling off like sticky

> rubber strings. I could breath where as before I didn't know my

> sinuses was so clogged. Mucus started running out in several

> openings & bowels. All cleared up. Lymph glands in groin, under

> arms, neck hurt the back/middle/front of my head still hurt but no

> ways like it would before I started Zapping and CS. I got a rash

on

> my upper body, arms and thighs something like the chicken pox and

> some acne on face and arms that didn't want to heal, my back

really

> hurt where I couldn't get out of bed for a week. I stopped taking

> the CS for about a week but continued to zap. I starting back on

> the CS but smaller doses and I am adding alittle distilled water

to

> the CS(was taking 16oz 2x's/day). Back ache cleared alot after

> stopping, its not hurting a much since I started back, I know

there

> is alittle twinge in my back but not hurting. The down side is

still

> being alittle afraid I may be having a toxic effect of the CS. I

> went to a naturapath who told me I was having a hexheimer affect

not

> to worry. I paid alot of money for him to tell me that and

nothing

> else. I guess it was encouragement to keep going. I do not go to

> my medical doctor until next month. Then I will do my blood test

and

> see what possitive is happening that I can't see. I wish

everybody

> God speed, favor and love in their endeavers for total health.

> Thanks for the website and the people who shares on it. You have

> been so helpful.

> danielle

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

More than 10 people including myself experienced very good result with Dr

zapper. We've been using the one from Dr. research association ,

standard program and frequency drivers. Keep in mind that it requires up to 8

hrs zapping a day until improvement and the best results come when a zapper is

used with one or both Dr. programs. Just be patient and follow the

protocol. You will be amazed. An excellent addition to the program is vegetable

juicing. In " Prevention " book you will see what antigen your wife has and what

foods to avoid. Based on this information you will use the vegetables for

juicing. In most cases you may use beets, celery, parsley, spinach, cucumbers,

some other leaves, no iceberg lettuce. The juice from all these vegetables is

OK but to make it really good in taste add green grapes. A glass of such juice

in the morning is great. I found a good product on internet, which is a plus to

the homemade juice. It is called Nature's Best Greens,

www.drbenkim.com.

Nina

Dome Boy <domeboy2001@...> wrote:

Greetings open-minded ones. My name is . My wife has uterine cancer. Does

anyone have experience with a " zapper " of Dr Hulda s design, that has seen

actual positive changes that are documented? I am about to buy one.

Thanks...

[Guest guest]

Jay, from someone who uses electromedicine quite regularly in an

office/clinic setting and who has been in these communities for years,

I observe that the zapper has never been found to be particularly

successful on candida, and neither have Rife treatments. This is not

to say they don't do anything at all, because they might, and whatever

you'd like to use that might help, well, MIGHT (optimistically), but

If I predicted that you'll either hardly notice anything or even NOT

notice any differences at all, I would be right more than 80% of the

time.

Diet is the rule, not electronics. That said, the electromedicine

group, beck-n-stuff and are good places for

information. I don't recommend the H. groups because a few of

the members persist in miring new readers in myth on a few very

important points. The incorrect bowel health issue can sink you even

on its own; details are here, check it out:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_probiotic.html

Duncan

>

> I recently saw on YOUTUBE, Wolfe speak about the Zapper

designed

> by Hilda . I did some research and found that the Zapper is

> recommended for Candida. Does anyone have and use one of the

Zapper's.

> If so could you contact me and let me know what success you have

> experienced with this tool?

>

> Thanks, Jay

>

[Guest guest]

Hi a low cost effective one is available on E-Bay uk from Mel Waite, 199 Highlands Rd., Kempston, Beds. UK ph: 0044 - 234 852369, he is very reliable. Make sure you follow the correct procedures before zapping- i.e. parasite and kidney cleanse first. Good luck Sue

zapper

can anyone recommend on a good hulda clarks zapper device ?thanks yonatan honigman

[Guest guest]

You can google "Hulda " to find it online. I've had mine for more then 15 years and have used it for any kind of infection ( in conjunction with other natural healing techniques) or parasites ( along with the Hulda parasite program). They recommend doing a timed 6 min. cycle and then waiting at least 45 min. before you do it again. They also recommend doing that 3 times as one session. I've done 3 sessions in one day. It's really effective in my opinion. Bonnie

From: honigmanyoni <honigmanyoni@...>Subject: zapperqxci-scio-epfx-english Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:41 AM

can anyone recommend on a good hulda clarks zapper device ?thanks yonatan honigman

[Guest guest]

Has any found a Zapper that is a new

generation that is really good.

Or is Hulda s zapper the best new

generation device?

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2:41 AM

qxci-scio-epfx-english

Subject: zapper

can anyone recommend on a good hulda clarks

zapper device ?

thanks

yonatan honigman

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As long as it has a fluctuating frequency band all are comparable to my knowledge.

Yours in Health,

Kathy

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Has any found a Zapper that is a new generation that is really good.

Or is Hulda s zapper the best new generation device?

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I have been diagnosed with parasite and yeast unknown in humans. I would like

to try the zapping, but not sure where to start. What is the best kind and how

much are they? I can't do a parasite cleanse do to the yeast. It makes the

yeast worse. Thanks