Re: Funny thing I read today

[Guest guest]

Funny thing that you should mention IUDs--they were big

when I was younger--in fact, was wearing a Dalkon

Shield when that debacle took place. Read that only

1% of women still use them.

IUDs were/are made of silicone. They attract bacteria; the only

time I had many bladder and vaginal infections, was when

I was wearing one. No telling where all that bacteria goes

in the body-- wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that's how you got your infection and I, mine. Doctors said it wasn't the IUD, but girlfriend who had had one, said it was. Removed it, and never had another bladder problem.

Even though I had two cryosurgeries after it was removed, my

records show that years later the cervix was inflamed--it was

inflamed when my implants were ruptured.

DC and Bristol Meyer's attorneys really perked up and spent

a lot of time questioning me about the IUD during a deposition

in 1993. That they knew something about them was obvious--

even through my fog.

I had an IUD when breast implants were installed and removed a couple of years later.

Had what doc thought were measles about nine months after

implantation of 2nd IUD--typical of silicone rash. First had been

removed due to unrelenting stomach pain which was eventually

found to be a bad bladder infection, but which ob-gyn said was

not unusual for the first year! Why?

In the National Library of Medicine I found an abstract re

research done in the Netherlands; "Significance of these

findings should be considered in view of increased a

repetitive use of the same type of biomaterial (possibly

for different application sites) for implantation in patients"

There was a reaction to the second challenge of the

same biomaterial--among other things, there was an

increase in the MHCII expression.

I've always felt there was a connection.

Our immune cells have memory--would have to read to

explain it--but think it explains the tie in. When my silicone

illness began I had all manner of allergic symptoms and

no allergies could be found.

Anyone else who was ill from breast implants have an

IUD at anytime before or during breast implantation?

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Two friends of mine had trouble with IUD's and neither of them had or

have implants...one was quite serious, I can't remember all the

details but she could NEVER conceive again after using it. The other

one the Dr. left in for too long apparently and (he said it was safe)

and she ended up with a terrible infection too.

Keli.

> Funny thing that you should mention IUDs--they were big

> when I was younger--in fact, was wearing a Dalkon

> Shield when that debacle took place. Read that only

> 1% of women still use them.

>

> IUDs were/are made of silicone. They attract bacteria; the only

> time I had many bladder and vaginal infections, was when

> I was wearing one. No telling where all that bacteria goes

> in the body-- wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that's

> how you got your infection and I, mine. Doctors said it

> wasn't the IUD, but girlfriend who had had one, said it was.

> Removed it, and never had another bladder problem.

>

> Even though I had two cryosurgeries after it was removed, my

> records show that years later the cervix was inflamed--it was

> inflamed when my implants were ruptured.

>

> DC and Bristol Meyer's attorneys really perked up and spent

> a lot of time questioning me about the IUD during a deposition

> in 1993. That they knew something about them was obvious--

> even through my fog.

>

> I had an IUD when breast implants were installed and

> removed a couple of years later.

>

> Had what doc thought were measles about nine months after

> implantation of 2nd IUD--typical of silicone rash. First had been

> removed due to unrelenting stomach pain which was eventually

> found to be a bad bladder infection, but which ob-gyn said was

> not unusual for the first year! Why?

>

> In the National Library of Medicine I found an abstract re

> research done in the Netherlands; " Significance of these

> findings should be considered in view of increased a

> repetitive use of the same type of biomaterial (possibly

> for different application sites) for implantation in patients "

> There was a reaction to the second challenge of the

> same biomaterial--among other things, there was an

> increase in the MHCII expression.

>

> I've always felt there was a connection.

> Our immune cells have memory--would have to read to

> explain it--but think it explains the tie in. When my silicone

> illness began I had all manner of allergic symptoms and

> no allergies could be found.

>

> Anyone else who was ill from breast implants have an

> IUD at anytime before or during breast implantation?

>

> Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Well, I don't know anything about IUDs these days. . .so

now they are 100% copper, huh? Wonder why?

I had the Dalkon Shield, which was all silicone and then

had the Copper 7, which was silicone and copper. Both

had plastic/silicone (?) string hanging from them, which

is, I would imagine, how the bacteria so readily attaches

itself.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Bonnie:

well maybe the iud helped to cause problems but like I said I was very healthy the whole time I had the IUD in me, for like 5 years no problems. It was not silicone, it was totally made up of copper. I remember when I had it removed the Dr left in the sink in some kind of paper towel to be thrown away by the assistant and when she left the room I took it so I could look at it at home later. It was as they said, copper, it was tiny tiny, and again it never made me sick or have a single problem till I got the implants, then I got sick, took the iud out, never got better, took the implants out and eventually got better.

I still don't believe that the IUD was the problem, cause like I said I never got sick, had any type of infection or anything, it was def the implants. Now I agree that the thing may have had a part in it.

I have heard about the dacron shield, man it seems that there are so many things that end up being bad for us that no one bothers to tell us about till the damage is done, implants are another thing that are like that. It seems that someday someone will have to own up to all this don't you think?

hugs and thanks for the info

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From: Bos@...

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:43 PM

Subject: Re: Funny thing I read today

Funny thing that you should mention IUDs--they were big when I was younger--in fact, was wearing a Dalkon Shield when that debacle took place. Read that only 1% of women still use them. IUDs were/are made of silicone. They attract bacteria; the only time I had many bladder and vaginal infections, was when I was wearing one. No telling where all that bacteria goes in the body-- wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that's how you got your infection and I, mine. Doctors said it wasn't the IUD, but girlfriend who had had one, said it was. Removed it, and never had another bladder problem. Even though I had two cryosurgeries after it was removed, my records show that years later the cervix was inflamed--it was inflamed when my implants were ruptured. DC and Bristol Meyer's attorneys really perked up and spent a lot of time questioning me about the IUD during a deposition in 1993. That they knew something about them was obvious-- even through my fog. I had an IUD when breast implants were installed and removed a couple of years later. Had what doc thought were measles about nine months after implantation of 2nd IUD--typical of silicone rash. First had been removed due to unrelenting stomach pain which was eventually found to be a bad bladder infection, but which ob-gyn said was not unusual for the first year! Why? In the National Library of Medicine I found an abstract re research done in the Netherlands; "Significance of these findings should be considered in view of increased a repetitive use of the same type of biomaterial (possibly for different application sites) for implantation in patients" There was a reaction to the second challenge of the same biomaterial--among other things, there was an increase in the MHCII expression. I've always felt there was a connection. Our immune cells have memory--would have to read to explain it--but think it explains the tie in. When my silicone illness began I had all manner of allergic symptoms and no allergies could be found. Anyone else who was ill from breast implants have an IUD at anytime before or during breast implantation? Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Yeah it was copper and I know there was a reason for it. I never thought much about that string though, wonder what that was made of? Hmm?

when I worked in the ICU at Stanford we had a woman in her late 50's come in, she died from a massive infection caused by her 20 year old IUD, guess she forgot it was there or something, it was nasty. All my friends at work kept telling me to get rid of mine, but like I said at the time it was a great BC for me cause I just could not take the pill. I am also so fertile, get pregnant too easy. Anyhow now I don't have to worry cause hubby took care of it and had the vasectomy, I think more men should be proactive and do that, it was so simple, he was back to normal the next day and no pain really.

Take care

'hugs

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From: Bos@...

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: Funny thing I read today

Well, I don't know anything about IUDs these days. . .so now they are 100% copper, huh? Wonder why? I had the Dalkon Shield, which was all silicone and then had the Copper 7, which was silicone and copper. Both had plastic/silicone (?) string hanging from them, which is, I would imagine, how the bacteria so readily attaches itself. Bonnie

[Guest guest]

IUD's do not have a favorable reputation. There have been many studies done and data documented that they cause urological and gynecological problems. Bonnie is correct in stating that IUD's harbor bacteria, and are, in many cases, implicated in severe infections, including sepsis. On the other hand, IUD's are still being used, although not in a large portion of the population compared to other contraceptive methods. I had a tubal ligation a yr ago, and the gyn who did it felt that she was obligated to explore other contraceptive options with me because of my age. One of the options she explored with me was the IUD. I vehemently objected to it due to information I had gathered prior to having my tubal. However, she told me about a "new" IUD that was actually not available last May, but which she and the other docs in her practice were involved in a study. She had to offer this IUD to me as part of the study. She told me that it was made of a "highly nonreactive" material, and the number of women having reactions to it and developing subsequent infections was significantly decreased. She also mentioned that it was much easier to insert and remove, as apparently the IUD's currently on the market can be very difficult to remove. This product was due to be released across the country late last summer. Whether it ever was, I don't know. I want to point out that an IUD is a foreign object in the body. And again, as with breast implants, the body mounts an immune response to this foreign body. An IUD has the potential to cause the very same systemic health problems we have experienced with breast implants. As with breast implants, the body may or may not adapt to this foreign body. But studies have shown that women with an IUD (and other various implants) have an elevated WBC and ESR, indicating the body's reaction to a foreign body. However, that said, I also want to point out that hundreds of women (if not thousands) have the IUD inserted and tolerate it just fine and without any adverse sequela. It is a very individual response that the body has and every woman will respond differently to an IUD. And the decision to have an IUD placed vs other contraceptive methods is a very individual decision, but one that warrants careful consideration about possible/potential complications, health problems, and consequences from health problems. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Funny thing I read today Funny thing that you should mention IUDs--they were big when I was younger--in fact, was wearing a Dalkon Shield when that debacle took place. Read that only 1% of women still use them. IUDs were/are made of silicone. They attract bacteria; the only time I had many bladder and vaginal infections, was when I was wearing one. No telling where all that bacteria goes in the body-- wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that's how you got your infection and I, mine. Doctors said it wasn't the IUD, but girlfriend who had had one, said it was. Removed it, and never had another bladder problem. Even though I had two cryosurgeries after it was removed, my records show that years later the cervix was inflamed--it was inflamed when my implants were ruptured. DC and Bristol Meyer's attorneys really perked up and spent a lot of time questioning me about the IUD during a deposition in 1993. That they knew something about them was obvious-- even through my fog. I had an IUD when breast implants were installed and removed a couple of years later. Had what doc thought were measles about nine months after implantation of 2nd IUD--typical of silicone rash. First had been removed due to unrelenting stomach pain which was eventually found to be a bad bladder infection, but which ob-gyn said was not unusual for the first year! Why? In the National Library of Medicine I found an abstract re research done in the Netherlands; "Significance of these findings should be considered in view of increased a repetitive use of the same type of biomaterial (possibly for different application sites) for implantation in patients" There was a reaction to the second challenge of the same biomaterial--among other things, there was an increase in the MHCII expression. I've always felt there was a connection. Our immune cells have memory--would have to read to explain it--but think it explains the tie in. When my silicone illness began I had all manner of allergic symptoms and no allergies could be found. Anyone else who was ill from breast implants have an IUD at anytime before or during breast implantation? Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Well my question is this, if everyone is concerned about IUD's(meaning the medical community) why the hell don't they believe implants cause problems? seems to me that it is obvious that implants would be more problematic than a little IUD. arg makes no sense at all, well wait, it does! Implants are way more expensive than and IUD ha! yeah and the IUD was easy to remove, implants are not, and you will continue to need to replace your $5,000 implants, unlike the IUD that you can have for 10 years or more and be ok. I get it now!'

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From: e Rene

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:32 PM

Subject: Re: Funny thing I read today

IUD's do not have a favorable reputation. There have been many studies done and data documented that they cause urological and gynecological problems. Bonnie is correct in stating that IUD's harbor bacteria, and are, in many cases, implicated in severe infections, including sepsis. On the other hand, IUD's are still being used, although not in a large portion of the population compared to other contraceptive methods.

I had a tubal ligation a yr ago, and the gyn who did it felt that she was obligated to explore other contraceptive options with me because of my age. One of the options she explored with me was the IUD. I vehemently objected to it due to information I had gathered prior to having my tubal. However, she told me about a "new" IUD that was actually not available last May, but which she and the other docs in her practice were involved in a study. She had to offer this IUD to me as part of the study. She told me that it was made of a "highly nonreactive" material, and the number of women having reactions to it and developing subsequent infections was significantly decreased. She also mentioned that it was much easier to insert and remove, as apparently the IUD's currently on the market can be very difficult to remove. This product was due to be released across the country late last summer. Whether it ever was, I don't know.

I want to point out that an IUD is a foreign object in the body. And again, as with breast implants, the body mounts an immune response to this foreign body. An IUD has the potential to cause the very same systemic health problems we have experienced with breast implants. As with breast implants, the body may or may not adapt to this foreign body. But studies have shown that women with an IUD (and other various implants) have an elevated WBC and ESR, indicating the body's reaction to a foreign body.

However, that said, I also want to point out that hundreds of women (if not thousands) have the IUD inserted and tolerate it just fine and without any adverse sequela. It is a very individual response that the body has and every woman will respond differently to an IUD. And the decision to have an IUD placed vs other contraceptive methods is a very individual decision, but one that warrants careful consideration about possible/potential complications, health problems, and consequences from health problems.

e

----- Original Message -----

From: Bos@...

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:46 PM

Subject: Re: Funny thing I read today

Funny thing that you should mention IUDs--they were big when I was younger--in fact, was wearing a Dalkon Shield when that debacle took place. Read that only 1% of women still use them. IUDs were/are made of silicone. They attract bacteria; the only time I had many bladder and vaginal infections, was when I was wearing one. No telling where all that bacteria goes in the body-- wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that's how you got your infection and I, mine. Doctors said it wasn't the IUD, but girlfriend who had had one, said it was. Removed it, and never had another bladder problem. Even though I had two cryosurgeries after it was removed, my records show that years later the cervix was inflamed--it was inflamed when my implants were ruptured. DC and Bristol Meyer's attorneys really perked up and spent a lot of time questioning me about the IUD during a deposition in 1993. That they knew something about them was obvious-- even through my fog. I had an IUD when breast implants were installed and removed a couple of years later. Had what doc thought were measles about nine months after implantation of 2nd IUD--typical of silicone rash. First had been removed due to unrelenting stomach pain which was eventually found to be a bad bladder infection, but which ob-gyn said was not unusual for the first year! Why? In the National Library of Medicine I found an abstract re research done in the Netherlands; "Significance of these findings should be considered in view of increased a repetitive use of the same type of biomaterial (possibly for different application sites) for implantation in patients" There was a reaction to the second challenge of the same biomaterial--among other things, there was an increase in the MHCII expression. I've always felt there was a connection. Our immune cells have memory--would have to read to explain it--but think it explains the tie in. When my silicone illness began I had all manner of allergic symptoms and no allergies could be found. Anyone else who was ill from breast implants have an IUD at anytime before or during breast implantation? Bonnie

[Guest guest]

:

You ask why the medical community is worried about the silicone IUD but not implants? That's very simple--the IUD is not the cash cow implants are.

Take care,

-Marie

[Guest guest]

Yeah I thought about that after I said it ha !

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From: perlesetlacet@...

Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:42 PM

Subject: Re: Funny thing I read today

:You ask why the medical community is worried about the silicone IUD but not implants? That's very simple--the IUD is not the cash cow implants are.Take care,-Marie