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Have you read some of the product inserts on drugs lately. The drug

companies do not know the exact mechanism of how the drugs effect

certain things.

Re: Drug sensitivity

,

Opiates usually dull the senses, reduce pain, relax smooth muscle,

etc. A certain percentage of the population reacts to these drugs in

the opposite way, and you sound like one of them. I would say you

have an atypical reaction to opiates. Could hormone imbalances play a

part? I think it's highly likely. You can also have people who become

hyper-sensitive to a drug, where a tiny amount produces an

exaggerated effect. Since MANY drugs have an unknow mechanism of

action, it it basically a crap shoot!! Doctors are clueless on most

of this stuff.

Regards,

K4

> I am interested to see if anyone here has experienced what I have

and

> if it may be related to hormone deficiencies like testosterone,

> growth hormone, etc.

>

> When I was younger in my teens and twenties to be exact(I'm 38

now).

> I noticed I had a much greater sensitivity to drugs like opiates

> (oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc). I had taken these drugs in the past

> for medical reasons and always experienced mood enhancing euphoria

as

> most people do. I was never a chronic user of any of these only

when

> prescribed for pain or anxiety.

> The opiates in particular made me feel more " normal " or more like I

> wanted to feel. They didn't make me dull or groggy, they made me

> motivated, energetic, much more social, and sharper, which I know

is

> not the norm for most people. Anyway, within the last few years,

I've

> had to have some surgeries(testicular biopsy, wisdom tooth removal)

> and also I had the gout(quite painful) and was prescribed oxycodone

> (percocet) which was one of the drugs I had taken in the past that

> really made me feel great. The effects now are much more subtle.

They

> do make me feel more motivated, but to much lessor of a degree. I

> have suffered from fatigue, depression, and general aphathy for

> several years and have been on many antidepressants without success

> in the past. Last year I was diagnosed with low testosterone after

my

> phychiatrist had checked to find out if anything physical(hormonal,

> illnesses, etc) could be making me so depressed, tired and

withdrawn.

> My total testosterone was 190, obviously low for any age. I tried

> androgel without much improvement which also made me infertile(long

> story), I'm going to a new endo next week with hope of maybe

getting

> on HCG and checking my growth hormone and anything else that might

be

> relative. I know this is long winded, but to get to the point of my

> question....Has anyone noticed that certain hormonal deficiencies

> could affect sensitivity or effectiveness of opiate drugs. I know

> that the hypothalmus gland also has control over endorphins in the

> brain and endorphins are very similar to opiates in their

> mood/motivation enhancing properties. I strongly feel there might

be

> a link to hypothalmic function and the brains supply of endorphins,

> which might explain depression and low motivation in some people.

> Most antidepressants are targeting serotonin, but for me I feel

> something else is missing. I hope getting my hormones in order will

> help my mood and quality of life. Like everyone else, I just some

> pleasure and joy back in my life and can't seem to find out where

> it's gone or how to retrieve it. I sometimes feel very envious of

> other people's ability to enjoy their lives and look foward to

> getting up in the morning and having the motivational drive to

excel

> in their careers and enjoy the perks that that brings to their

lives

> as well as their family. I'm only 38, but sometimes I feel like I'm

> 60 and am totaly afraid of what the " real " 60 might be like!.

>

> If any of this rings a bell with anyone here your input/experiences

> would be greatly appreciated.

>

> thanks,

> scott

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Yes,

Basically the human body is always changing and with billions of people

you just don't know how something will effect the other. My pharmacist

is amazed that I get a better reaction with testosterone cypionate than

Testosterone Enanthate.

Re: Drug sensitivity

Yes, that is often the case. I worked in Pharmacy for 12 years, so

I'm pretty tuned into this stuff. Many drugs simply " work " . A very

large percentage of drugs were discovered by accident, luck, or

tradition (tribal medicine, etc). Many of these got on the market

simply by going through refinement and testing periods to see what

effects they have on the body. They don't even know exactly how

aspirin does what it does - it just works!! Other drugs they do know

the exact mechanism, and as they get more to the point where they are

engineering drug molecules to do specific tasks, they understand more

and more - and at the same time LESS and LESS! The more they learn,

the more they realize they have only begun to scratch the surface...

Regards,

K4

> > I am interested to see if anyone here has experienced what I have

> and

> > if it may be related to hormone deficiencies like testosterone,

> > growth hormone, etc.

> >

> > When I was younger in my teens and twenties to be exact(I'm 38

> now).

> > I noticed I had a much greater sensitivity to drugs like opiates

> > (oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc). I had taken these drugs in the

past

> > for medical reasons and always experienced mood enhancing

euphoria

> as

> > most people do. I was never a chronic user of any of these only

> when

> > prescribed for pain or anxiety.

> > The opiates in particular made me feel more " normal " or more like

I

> > wanted to feel. They didn't make me dull or groggy, they made me

> > motivated, energetic, much more social, and sharper, which I know

> is

> > not the norm for most people. Anyway, within the last few years,

> I've

> > had to have some surgeries(testicular biopsy, wisdom tooth

removal)

> > and also I had the gout(quite painful) and was prescribed

oxycodone

> > (percocet) which was one of the drugs I had taken in the past

that

> > really made me feel great. The effects now are much more subtle.

> They

> > do make me feel more motivated, but to much lessor of a degree. I

> > have suffered from fatigue, depression, and general aphathy for

> > several years and have been on many antidepressants without

success

> > in the past. Last year I was diagnosed with low testosterone

after

> my

> > phychiatrist had checked to find out if anything physical

(hormonal,

> > illnesses, etc) could be making me so depressed, tired and

> withdrawn.

> > My total testosterone was 190, obviously low for any age. I tried

> > androgel without much improvement which also made me infertile

(long

> > story), I'm going to a new endo next week with hope of maybe

> getting

> > on HCG and checking my growth hormone and anything else that

might

> be

> > relative. I know this is long winded, but to get to the point of

my

> > question....Has anyone noticed that certain hormonal deficiencies

> > could affect sensitivity or effectiveness of opiate drugs. I know

> > that the hypothalmus gland also has control over endorphins in

the

> > brain and endorphins are very similar to opiates in their

> > mood/motivation enhancing properties. I strongly feel there might

> be

> > a link to hypothalmic function and the brains supply of

endorphins,

> > which might explain depression and low motivation in some people.

> > Most antidepressants are targeting serotonin, but for me I feel

> > something else is missing. I hope getting my hormones in order

will

> > help my mood and quality of life. Like everyone else, I just some

> > pleasure and joy back in my life and can't seem to find out where

> > it's gone or how to retrieve it. I sometimes feel very envious of

> > other people's ability to enjoy their lives and look foward to

> > getting up in the morning and having the motivational drive to

> excel

> > in their careers and enjoy the perks that that brings to their

> lives

> > as well as their family. I'm only 38, but sometimes I feel like

I'm

> > 60 and am totaly afraid of what the " real " 60 might be like!.

> >

> > If any of this rings a bell with anyone here your

input/experiences

> > would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > thanks,

> > scott

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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--- Dwight Meeks <dee0726@...> wrote:

Yes,

Basically the human body is always changing and with

billions of people

you just don't know how something will effect the

other.My pharmacist is amazed that I get a better

reaction with testosterone cypionate than

Testosterone Enanthate

--- ken <ex_ex_y@...> wrote:

Can I ask what benefits you noticed from switching to

cypionate and was it your doctor or you who instigated

it.

The brand I use,Sustanon 100® (Organon)

Injection (oily), testosterone propionate 20 mg,

testosterone phenylpropionate 40 mg, and testosterone

isocaproate 40 mg/mL.

It seems to be the most popular brand here in

Australia and to be honest I have no complaints with

it,

Ken.

http://www.sold.com.au - SOLD.com.au

- Find yourself a bargain!

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Well with Enanthate it seems kind of dull. I mean if I wanted a

testosterone that was low level enanthate was it for me. But I know

that cypionate seems to last longer. With Enanthate it would drop me

off after a feeling of doing real well. On that last day before my next

injection it would give me false feeling as if I didn't need another

shot but boy if I wake up next morning bam I knew I needed it.

Thankfully with cypionate it is better and much much cheaper.

I had the same problem with testoderm patches. They caused severed skin

irritation for me. I have some Androgel but it does not quite raise my

level as it should. At times I will use one pack of gel if my body

seems to need it. Getting hormone levels to balance can be a tricky

thing. I am just glad I can adjust my dosage carefully.

As for the opionates, I totally hate them. In the past when I have had

surgery and they give me medication to " RELAX " me I tend to get bent out

of shape. My grandfather had the same problem. He would bounce off the

wall if he was given a sleeping pill. Give him caffeine and he would go

to sleep. I am the same way in some ways. Sometimes caffeine works for

me sometimes it doesn't. It is nothing for me to brink 44oz of diet

soda and go to bed without a problem.

I have found as I am sure most people do it pays to switch around so

often. With our changing lives with stress the body tries to adapt

accordingly. But if some idiot doctor told me I needed to go off

testosterone. I would simply tell him to take his opinion and get more

understanding.

Re: Drug sensitivity

> Yes,

>

>

>

> Basically the human body is always changing and with billions of

people

> you just don't know how something will effect the other. My

pharmacist

> is amazed that I get a better reaction with testosterone cypionate

than

> Testosterone Enanthate.

>

Heard that one before. Manufacturer data says characteristics are

nearly the same and can be used interchangeably, yet people use both

can tell a difference. What I hear about cypionate is the peak doesn't

seem as intense and the duration is longer. Purely subjective and

from only two ppl.

I use patch myself, and I can tell a HUGE difference between them,

even though both supposedly contain absolutely pure testo with a gel

and ethanol, and release the same amount of testo through the

membrane. The androderm patch puts a tiger in my tank. Too bad it

also burns ulcer in my skin that take 6+ weeks to heal. The testoderm

patch does not burn me but I don't feel any different if I use it or I

don't, yet T, free T, bound T, DHT, LH, FSH and friends are all well

within the proper range.

As to waning opiate sensitivity, there is often discussion about just

that among users on alt.drugs.hard. A good place to get a well

informed opinion is from a pharmacy newsgroup.

So, really, what percentage of people who take hydrocodome will

experience stimulation and euphoria? These are shown as the most

common side effects. I thought the euphoria was behind the stats I saw

recently that said hydrocodone is the number must abused opiate in

north america?

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Ken,

I live here in the United States. I instigated the switch as I found

out that I could buy 10 weeks worth of cypionate for $30.00 compared to

one week of enanthate pre-filled syringe for $39.00. Even though I have

insurance that covers both I am tired of giving the drug companies too

much money. I would rather save my insurance company the money so that

they will cover my growth hormone than deal with it.

The funny thing is that I first experimented with the switch. Once I

knew that cypionate worked better I switched. Now I just need to decide

what I am going to do with all the enanthate that I have on hand...

RE: Re: Drug sensitivity

--- Dwight Meeks <dee0726@...> wrote:

Yes,

Basically the human body is always changing and with

billions of people

you just don't know how something will effect the

other.My pharmacist is amazed that I get a better

reaction with testosterone cypionate than

Testosterone Enanthate

--- ken <ex_ex_y@...> wrote:

Can I ask what benefits you noticed from switching to

cypionate and was it your doctor or you who instigated

it.

The brand I use,Sustanon 100R (Organon)

Injection (oily), testosterone propionate 20 mg,

testosterone phenylpropionate 40 mg, and testosterone

isocaproate 40 mg/mL.

It seems to be the most popular brand here in

Australia and to be honest I have no complaints with

it,

Ken.

http://www.sold.com.au - SOLD.com.au

- Find yourself a bargain!

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