Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 > 1a. Psyllium or other friends-- > Posted by: " ilovegod6390 " NIKIHAUSE@... ilovegod6390 > Date: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:47 am ((PST)) > > Got My ozonator > Airzone xt 301. > In a last post we determined it can be used for body > Bagging. I just bought a tyvek suit to use it-- > I have 2 questions I can find answers to anywhere- > First my machines puts out 2.5 L/min > > 1. how Long do I let this ozone go into my suit? > 2. Also is it possible to do rectal insufflations? It says to do 125mg or 1/8liter per > Min. > But mine is so much more. > What can I do??? > Please help! Can't find info anywhwere!! Hi, If you want to know about insufflations, you really need to be asking your questions in an ozone-forum, not here. Dr. did not talk about insufflation, and so the people here won't know about it, necessarily. I would advise you to join this list: ozonetherapy/ Dr. Pressman runs it, and answers practically every question. Also the archive will have all information possible about insufflation. However, be aware you can't just insufflate with all ozone-generators. You need a medical one for it. At any rate, this is advanced stuff and don't ask amateurs. Ask professionals. Start with the above list. Don't do any insufflation until you know what you're doing. Body-bagging can be done and Dr. has a protocol for it. I don't have it at hand at the moment and must run to get on with my day. But do gather the right information before doing anything like that. follow the protocols. good luck! Ilana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Forger me if I've done something wrong to ask here. I did not know there was an ozone group. > > > 1a. Psyllium or other friends-- > > Posted by: " ilovegod6390 " NIKIHAUSE@... ilovegod6390 > > Date: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:47 am ((PST)) > > > > Got My ozonator > > Airzone xt 301. > > In a last post we determined it can be used for body > > Bagging. I just bought a tyvek suit to use it-- > > I have 2 questions I can find answers to anywhere- > > First my machines puts out 2.5 L/min > > > > 1. how Long do I let this ozone go into my suit? > > 2. Also is it possible to do rectal insufflations? It says to do 125mg or 1/8liter per > > Min. > > But mine is so much more. > > What can I do??? > > Please help! Can't find info anywhwere!! > > Hi, > > If you want to know about insufflations, you really need to be asking your > questions in an ozone-forum, not here. Dr. did not talk about > insufflation, and so the people here won't know about it, necessarily. > > I would advise you to join this list: > > ozonetherapy/ > > Dr. Pressman runs it, and answers practically every question. Also the > archive will have all information possible about insufflation. > > However, be aware you can't just insufflate with all ozone-generators. You > need a medical one for it. At any rate, this is advanced stuff and don't > ask amateurs. Ask professionals. Start with the above list. Don't do > any insufflation until you know what you're doing. > > Body-bagging can be done and Dr. has a protocol for it. I don't have > it at hand at the moment and must run to get on with my day. But do gather > the right information before doing anything like that. > > follow the protocols. > > good luck! > > Ilana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 > Posted by: " ilovegod6390 " NIKIHAUSE@... ilovegod6390 > > Forger me if I've done something wrong to ask here. > I did not know there was an ozone group. I think it's right to ask here, so you can find the right place for the right information. > I will tell you I consulted at this other group the last poster said--to > ask Saul Pressman about using body bagging, rectal and ear > insufflations--Because I cannot just go putting huge amounts of ozone > into my body. > > It is not safe and can cause major damage! > > The protocols only suggest 1/8 Liter setting--my machine does not have a > way to change the amount of ozone output. Clear info: if your machine doesn't have that setting, you can't do the protocol. There's a REASON you need a very low setting for insufflation. > Yet two--or I thought there were two of you--- have repeatedly suggested > to do so--I am not only confused, but slightly worried! I am not sure > what you are suggesting is safe for my machine, and as a result-- I > wonder if I was not as thorough about researching all this, that your > advice could have seriously hurt someone. Those who suggested that you do anything other than Dr. stuff with a Dr. type ozonator, should not be taken seriously. They don't know what they are talking about. " Just try it, " is just not safe enough for medical appications of things. Body bagging is NOT the same type of thing as insufflation (rectal, vaginal or ear). Dr. talks about body-bagging, and bagging a limb. She describes how to do it. So you can do that with the machine bought for Dr. type of ozonation. You can ozonate olive oil with it, etc. And you can ozonate your food with it. Do her protocols with her type of machine. If she doesn't talk about drinking ozonated water (I forget if she does, but I didn't think so), then it can't be done with her type of machine. She doesn't talk about insufflation, so her machine is not designed and selected for it. Think of it this way: flowing the ozone directly in your body (insufflation of ear, vagina or rectum) is a completely different set of requirements on your equimpent, than putting ozone ON your body. Dr. 's ozonator is NOT to be used for insufflation. If you believe you need to do insufflation, you need to get the right equipment for it. Yes, Dr Pressman seems to be totally focussed on his own machine, which costs $2000 or so. However, since we can't all train to be professors in every single type of alternative therapy we want to use for our health, we HAVE to listen to experts, even if these experts want to push their own products, MAINLY because there are no other experts out there. (And quite frankly, if an expert didn't tell you where to get the equipment for the treamtment, that would be even worse!) Arthur believes in his body-zappicator, and praises it here. It's the only body-zappicator around, so why should I use a food-zappicator made by someone else on my body, when I don't have any decent information on whether or not that is safe? In this case, I buy Arthur's zappicator, so I know for certain I can use zappication safely on myself. I am paying for the knowledge that I can't acquire for myself with the same amount of accuracy, as he did for X amount of years experimenting with this technology and gathering information. Dr Pressman did the same thing. Yes, his machine is expensive. But staying sick is even more expensive. And it is fortunately up to each and every one of us to make up our own minds on whether or not we want to invest in his materials, so we can do insufflation safely. No one can make you do anything. The only thing I would strongly advise is to use the right equipment for the therapy you are undertaking. If you don't have it, don't do it with inferior equipment. UNLESS you have enough information to satisfy yourself that what you are doing is safe to yourself. We don't have to invent the wheel for ourselves. And we can't! It's great there are people working on different wheels out there, and we can dip in to their knowledge by using their stuff and advice. All we have to do is make our choices on who is giving us the right advice and go with that. We have to stay critcal and ask questions. (as you do) I also chose not to do harm to myself. You are smart to use that as a starting point for your research. In short: Use a Dr ozonator to do Dr. protocols: body bagging, ozonating foods and oil. Use a dedicated safe ozonator for protocols that are perscribed by others. that's my advice. Ilana > Again, I really do NOT know enough about most of this to know what is > correct and what is not. But at this point, I am now getting two very > different pieces of advice--from this group and this Saul Pressman. > > So because I do not want to HARM myself, I wrote to this other > group--asking him the same questions I posted here a few days ago- > <...> > Posted by: " Arthur Doerksen " arthur7@... ad71950 > > Saul Pressman lives just down the road from us, in Langley, B.C. I think > he is confused by your insufflation request, and thinks that you need a > pure oxygen machine to produce pure ozone out. Dr. did NOT use > insufflation, and found that the Portazone ozone machine worked just > fine to ozonate the OUTSIDE of the body. > > Her testing did not show that the air pollutants Saul Pressman mentioned > were a problem. In large part I believe that is because most of the > pollutants (hydrocarbons and VOC's) are in fact destroyed by the ozone > itself, even from a cheap machine that uses room air as the input. I > believe that Saul knows this quite well. > > Saul sells machines that cost over $3000 as I recall. They are used for > very different purposes, in IV and insufflation. > > Hope this helps! > > Arthur > www.BestZapper.com > www.ZapperStories.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Thanks a lot for that post Ilana! It does help-- It seems that body bagging and insufflation is different then. Yes it seems there needs to be a way to make the output very low for insufflations and I would not try to do something that could hurt me! So now the question that is arising now is what is the dr ozonator? You mention using her machine- if I can see what her machine is and her protocol of how to do the bagging, that will help- Cuz I am still in the dark about the bagging-- How much output is ok? For how long? Can I use the tyvek suit? The skin is the largest organ so it can still uptake lots. If someone can show me where I can find information on 1. The dr ozone machine 2. The dr body bagging protocol--- Thanks again so much for all your input and help-- It's obvious that there is a lot to learn, and I have read some scary stories of people harming themselves--- but it's clearly because they are not doing the protocols right-- Thanks again-- it means a lot. > > > Posted by: " ilovegod6390 " NIKIHAUSE@... ilovegod6390 > > > > Forger me if I've done something wrong to ask here. > > I did not know there was an ozone group. > > I think it's right to ask here, so you can find the right place for the > right information. > > > I will tell you I consulted at this other group the last poster said--to > > ask Saul Pressman about using body bagging, rectal and ear > > insufflations--Because I cannot just go putting huge amounts of ozone > > into my body. > > > > It is not safe and can cause major damage! > > > > The protocols only suggest 1/8 Liter setting--my machine does not have a > > way to change the amount of ozone output. > > Clear info: if your machine doesn't have that setting, you can't do the > protocol. There's a REASON you need a very low setting for insufflation. > > > Yet two--or I thought there were two of you--- have repeatedly suggested > > to do so--I am not only confused, but slightly worried! I am not sure > > what you are suggesting is safe for my machine, and as a result-- I > > wonder if I was not as thorough about researching all this, that your > > advice could have seriously hurt someone. > > Those who suggested that you do anything other than Dr. stuff with a > Dr. type ozonator, should not be taken seriously. They don't know > what they are talking about. " Just try it, " is just not safe enough for > medical appications of things. > > Body bagging is NOT the same type of thing as insufflation (rectal, > vaginal or ear). Dr. talks about body-bagging, and bagging a limb. > She describes how to do it. So you can do that with the machine bought for > Dr. type of ozonation. You can ozonate olive oil with it, etc. And > you can ozonate your food with it. Do her protocols with her type of > machine. > > If she doesn't talk about drinking ozonated water (I forget if she does, > but I didn't think so), then it can't be done with her type of machine. > She doesn't talk about insufflation, so her machine is not designed and > selected for it. > > Think of it this way: flowing the ozone directly in your body > (insufflation of ear, vagina or rectum) is a completely different set of > requirements on your equimpent, than putting ozone ON your body. > > Dr. 's ozonator is NOT to be used for insufflation. > > If you believe you need to do insufflation, you need to get the right > equipment for it. > > Yes, Dr Pressman seems to be totally focussed on his own machine, which > costs $2000 or so. However, since we can't all train to be professors in > every single type of alternative therapy we want to use for our health, we > HAVE to listen to experts, even if these experts want to push their own > products, MAINLY because there are no other experts out there. (And quite > frankly, if an expert didn't tell you where to get the equipment for the > treamtment, that would be even worse!) > > Arthur believes in his body-zappicator, and praises it here. It's the only > body-zappicator around, so why should I use a food-zappicator made by > someone else on my body, when I don't have any decent information on > whether or not that is safe? In this case, I buy Arthur's zappicator, so I > know for certain I can use zappication safely on myself. I am paying for > the knowledge that I can't acquire for myself with the same amount of > accuracy, as he did for X amount of years experimenting with this > technology and gathering information. > > Dr Pressman did the same thing. Yes, his machine is expensive. But staying > sick is even more expensive. And it is fortunately up to each and every > one of us to make up our own minds on whether or not we want to invest in > his materials, so we can do insufflation safely. No one can make you do > anything. > > The only thing I would strongly advise is to use the right equipment for > the therapy you are undertaking. If you don't have it, don't do it with > inferior equipment. UNLESS you have enough information to satisfy yourself > that what you are doing is safe to yourself. > > We don't have to invent the wheel for ourselves. And we can't! It's great > there are people working on different wheels out there, and we can dip in > to their knowledge by using their stuff and advice. All we have to do is > make our choices on who is giving us the right advice and go with that. We > have to stay critcal and ask questions. (as you do) > > I also chose not to do harm to myself. You are smart to use that as a > starting point for your research. > > In short: > > Use a Dr ozonator to do Dr. protocols: body bagging, ozonating > foods and oil. > > Use a dedicated safe ozonator for protocols that are perscribed by others. > > that's my advice. > > Ilana > > > Again, I really do NOT know enough about most of this to know what is > > correct and what is not. But at this point, I am now getting two very > > different pieces of advice--from this group and this Saul Pressman. > > > > So because I do not want to HARM myself, I wrote to this other > > group--asking him the same questions I posted here a few days ago- > > > <...> > > > Posted by: " Arthur Doerksen " arthur7@... ad71950 > > > > Saul Pressman lives just down the road from us, in Langley, B.C. I think > > he is confused by your insufflation request, and thinks that you need a > > pure oxygen machine to produce pure ozone out. Dr. did NOT use > > insufflation, and found that the Portazone ozone machine worked just > > fine to ozonate the OUTSIDE of the body. > > > > Her testing did not show that the air pollutants Saul Pressman mentioned > > were a problem. In large part I believe that is because most of the > > pollutants (hydrocarbons and VOC's) are in fact destroyed by the ozone > > itself, even from a cheap machine that uses room air as the input. I > > believe that Saul knows this quite well. > > > > Saul sells machines that cost over $3000 as I recall. They are used for > > very different purposes, in IV and insufflation. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Arthur > > www.BestZapper.com > > www.ZapperStories.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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