Hypogonadal and TRT: Masculine versus feminine feelings

[Guest guest]

Dr. Skerlin - are you asking if any of us felt more " feminine "

*before* TRT treatment, or after? In my case anyway - neither would

apply. I have always identifed with being only masculine, but since

TRT, even more so. Like being 20-something again...and liking it a

lot!

Cheers.../Dale

[Guest guest]

Hi, Dale:

Well, I guess I'm trying to find out how others have felt before and

after beginning TRT, especially if they've been hypogonadal all their

lives. We have found that prenatal DES exposure in males has at times

had a feminizing effect on the brain and sometimes in the body's

development, but it may also have affected hormonal levels since

childhood. We don't know whether it's the lowered testosterone levels

in DES sons that have been linked to their feminization, or whether

it's a primary product of the DES exposure (a synthetic estrogen used

to prevent miscarriages). Hence, my question for members of this list

who for the most part (I assume) are not DES exposed.

Thanks,

> Dr. Skerlin - are you asking if any of us felt more " feminine "

> *before* TRT treatment, or after? In my case anyway - neither would

> apply. I have always identifed with being only masculine, but since

> TRT, even more so. Like being 20-something again...and liking it a

> lot!

>

> Cheers.../Dale

[Guest guest]

Thanks (and apologies for the typo in your name before...).

Now I understand - interesting question indeed. That question then

will probably be best answered by those in the Group who have known

that they were hypogonadal for essentially their entire adult lives.

I will guess that most of us have either developed the condition over

time, or were not aware of it until later in our lives. In my case

again, knowing what I know now, I suspect that I may have developed

the condition as early as my late teens or 20's (51 now), but have

always identifed with strictly masculine and enjoyed an early and

active puberty.

I can certainly understand how a biological fetal male could have

been influenced in many ways by DES, and the subsequent ramifications

of that could be even more complex. I hope that you can get the

anecdotal evidence you are seeking.

Thanks.../Dale

[Guest guest]

The psychological effects of hormones interest me a great deal.

I'm pretty sure that I am not a DES son, but it is also clear that

there was something wrong with my endocrine system from an

early age. I have always felt masculine but with perhaps a slight

feminine edge. TRT definitely made me feel more masculine in

the sense of being more confident, pushier, and less passive. I

would not say that these effects are extremely powerful, but they

are definitely there. I feel that the major effect on the brain must

come from early development and only a partial effect from the

immediate hormone level. I never was physically attracted to

males, but there have been times in my life when I cultivated a

somewhat androgynous appearance (very long hair, etc.) I have

never had any interest in either participating in or observing

sports or fighting. I have never felt a strong sense of

competitiveness. On the other hand I do like science and

mathematics and I just laugh at the narrow range of interests

shown in women's magazines.

> I know it's all a subjective thing, but I'm curious to know

whether

> those of you when suffering from very low t levels (before

treatment)

> may have felt more " feminine " , or whether the uses of TRT

have altered

> your own subjective feelings of maleness?

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Regarding your query as to whether TRT makes guys feel more masculine:

Interesting question. I'm much more at ease and at peace with my masculinity.

Definitely more aggressive.

More confident. All the things in other guys that intimidated me before TRT and

which I really admired. Am noticing women a LOT more. Appreciating the

differences in their bodies. Definitely enjoying sex more. Enjoying foreplay

and seducing my wife. There seems to be a greater level of intimacy between us.

I'm more comfortable in the company of men than I've been in the past. Not so

sure that I feel " less feminine " but I definitely feel more masculine.

Tom

Many of us

who have been treated with TRT (creme, as in my case, or injections,

as may be true for many of you) have talked about whether the T

supplements make us feel more " masculine " , " manly " , or " virile. " I

know it's all a subjective thing, but I'm curious to know whether

those of you when suffering from very low t levels (before treatment)

may have felt more " feminine " , or whether the uses of TRT have altered

your own subjective feelings of maleness?

Any and all feedback would be valuable, I am sure.

Kerlin, Ph.D.

DES Sons International Network

E-Mail: skerlin@...

[Guest guest]

I am on Androgel and feel that it is helping with the feelings of

masculinity, but it is such a slow process. It might be because I'd

been going through the physical and psychological symptoms for so

long before I was diagnosed. I'd been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue,

Fibromyalgia and Depression and have dealt with allegations of being

extremely feminine, bisexual and homosexual to the point where I was

confused about my own identity. This caused me to avoid and lose good

social relationships and I even got into a destructive marriage,

which I hope will be ended soon. With medical and psychological

treatment, I hope to regain my identity shortly.

> Hey ,

>

> Regarding your query as to whether TRT makes guys feel more

masculine:

>

> Interesting question. I'm much more at ease and at peace with my

masculinity. Definitely more aggressive.

> More confident. All the things in other guys that intimidated me

before TRT and which I really admired. Am noticing women a LOT

more. Appreciating the differences in their bodies. Definitely

enjoying sex more. Enjoying foreplay and seducing my wife. There

seems to be a greater level of intimacy between us.

>

> I'm more comfortable in the company of men than I've been in the

past. Not so sure that I feel " less feminine " but I definitely feel

more masculine.

>

> Tom

>

> Many of us

> who have been treated with TRT (creme, as in my case, or

injections,

> as may be true for many of you) have talked about whether the T

> supplements make us feel more " masculine " , " manly " , or " virile. "

I

> know it's all a subjective thing, but I'm curious to know whether

> those of you when suffering from very low t levels (before

treatment)

> may have felt more " feminine " , or whether the uses of TRT have

altered

> your own subjective feelings of maleness?

>

> Any and all feedback would be valuable, I am sure.

>

> Kerlin, Ph.D.

> DES Sons International Network

> E-Mail: skerlin@p...

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