Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 And e--while you are at it, if not already taking them, do some Vitamin A (in the form of carotenes) and Vitamin E for a couple of years. Actually, it's best to do these the rest of your life along with other antioxidants, but that's a whole 'nother subject. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 I don't know about the Actonel, Fosomax and Tums. I try to stay away from as many chemicals as I can. I thought that these meds stop osteo but don't rebuild bone. . .??? I don't know what else is in Tums, but if it's just calcium, hey--what a great thing to have around for between meals. I'm sure you are getting your Vitamin D--maybe just supplement in the winter if you don't get regular sun. . .think even Denver has a lot more sun than most places. . when you move back. OK--time to take this very seriously. What you have related is unbelievable at your age. Make this a priority item. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 All this talk about calcium has made me go to the fridge and get some milk! LM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Where can I get CalMax? e ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Kolb Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: RE: Need info, please!! I recommend CalMax which has calcium gluconate and Magnesium and Vit C. . -----Original Message-----From: e Rene [mailto:e_Rene@...]Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Need info, please!! I need to take a calcium supplement per my neurosurgeon and per my bone density test results. I went onto my favorite vitamin website, Vitamin Cottage, and was looking at all the different forms of Ca available. There is Ca carbonate, Ca ascorbate, Ca citrate, Ca lactate, and chelated Ca. My question is this: what is the best form to take Ca? I need whatever is most absorbable and least stressful on the gut. I know that Mg should be taken with Ca for maximum absorption, so I plan to get a supplement with this. Also, what is the recommended daily dose of each? Someone told me that 1300mg Ca is recommended, but since osteoporosis has been confirmed, I probably need at least 1500mg. Then one vitamin place said that 3000mg was recommended. I don't want to take too much, as we all know that too much is not always better. But I want to and need to ensure that I'm getting enough, and I'm not too crazy about taking a zillion pills a day. Someone please help me. I am frantic trying to find the "right" supplement because I'm so mortified that I actually have osteoporosis at the age of 32, and so fearful that my fusion may completely fail if I don't start getting adequate amts of Ca in my bones. I also will not take any supplement that contains silica or anything related to silicone in the filler, so ingredients will also play into my decision. HELP!!!!! e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 I am sure someone else already answered but the calcium citrate is the best form because the body absorbs it easiest. I have osteopenia and that is what I take. Hugs ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Need info, please!! I need to take a calcium supplement per my neurosurgeon and per my bone density test results. I went onto my favorite vitamin website, Vitamin Cottage, and was looking at all the different forms of Ca available. There is Ca carbonate, Ca ascorbate, Ca citrate, Ca lactate, and chelated Ca. My question is this: what is the best form to take Ca? I need whatever is most absorbable and least stressful on the gut. I know that Mg should be taken with Ca for maximum absorption, so I plan to get a supplement with this. Also, what is the recommended daily dose of each? Someone told me that 1300mg Ca is recommended, but since osteoporosis has been confirmed, I probably need at least 1500mg. Then one vitamin place said that 3000mg was recommended. I don't want to take too much, as we all know that too much is not always better. But I want to and need to ensure that I'm getting enough, and I'm not too crazy about taking a zillion pills a day. Someone please help me. I am frantic trying to find the "right" supplement because I'm so mortified that I actually have osteoporosis at the age of 32, and so fearful that my fusion may completely fail if I don't start getting adequate amts of Ca in my bones. I also will not take any supplement that contains silica or anything related to silicone in the filler, so ingredients will also play into my decision. HELP!!!!! e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 e my Dr at the osteoporosis and diabetes center recommended citracal D ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Where can I get CalMax? e ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Kolb Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: RE: Need info, please!! I recommend CalMax which has calcium gluconate and Magnesium and Vit C. . -----Original Message-----From: e Rene [mailto:e_Rene@...]Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Need info, please!! I need to take a calcium supplement per my neurosurgeon and per my bone density test results. I went onto my favorite vitamin website, Vitamin Cottage, and was looking at all the different forms of Ca available. There is Ca carbonate, Ca ascorbate, Ca citrate, Ca lactate, and chelated Ca. My question is this: what is the best form to take Ca? I need whatever is most absorbable and least stressful on the gut. I know that Mg should be taken with Ca for maximum absorption, so I plan to get a supplement with this. Also, what is the recommended daily dose of each? Someone told me that 1300mg Ca is recommended, but since osteoporosis has been confirmed, I probably need at least 1500mg. Then one vitamin place said that 3000mg was recommended. I don't want to take too much, as we all know that too much is not always better. But I want to and need to ensure that I'm getting enough, and I'm not too crazy about taking a zillion pills a day. Someone please help me. I am frantic trying to find the "right" supplement because I'm so mortified that I actually have osteoporosis at the age of 32, and so fearful that my fusion may completely fail if I don't start getting adequate amts of Ca in my bones. I also will not take any supplement that contains silica or anything related to silicone in the filler, so ingredients will also play into my decision. HELP!!!!! e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Yes vitamin D is a must and Mag is good too! ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! I am sure someone else already answered but the calcium citrate is the best form because the body absorbs it easiest. I have osteopenia and that is what I take. Hugs ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Need info, please!! I need to take a calcium supplement per my neurosurgeon and per my bone density test results. I went onto my favorite vitamin website, Vitamin Cottage, and was looking at all the different forms of Ca available. There is Ca carbonate, Ca ascorbate, Ca citrate, Ca lactate, and chelated Ca. My question is this: what is the best form to take Ca? I need whatever is most absorbable and least stressful on the gut. I know that Mg should be taken with Ca for maximum absorption, so I plan to get a supplement with this. Also, what is the recommended daily dose of each? Someone told me that 1300mg Ca is recommended, but since osteoporosis has been confirmed, I probably need at least 1500mg. Then one vitamin place said that 3000mg was recommended. I don't want to take too much, as we all know that too much is not always better. But I want to and need to ensure that I'm getting enough, and I'm not too crazy about taking a zillion pills a day. Someone please help me. I am frantic trying to find the "right" supplement because I'm so mortified that I actually have osteoporosis at the age of 32, and so fearful that my fusion may completely fail if I don't start getting adequate amts of Ca in my bones. I also will not take any supplement that contains silica or anything related to silicone in the filler, so ingredients will also play into my decision. HELP!!!!! e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Bonnie, So, you're saying that I should be taking Ca, Mg, zinc, boron, and Vit D? I know that Vitamin Cottage does have some products with all of these in one capsule. I really don't think I am deficient in Vit D, as I live in Tucson, AZ, and the sun never goes away! I lie out in the sun quite a bit, without sunscreen, (I know, I know, I'm a RN and should know better), so I'm sure I get plenty of Vit D. I obviously don't get the Ca, as I HATE milk, don't particularly like yogurt, or most milk products. I do like cheese, but I don't sit around and eat cheese daily. As for the others, I have no clue. I also don't know what the Actonel will do to my bones. I do know that it is a superior product compared to Fosamax, and there have been very good results. I also know that it does take time for it to work, and I'm not sure how all of the above will interact (if they even will). No docs seem to know either. I just don't want to have one supplement cx out the Actonel, or vice versa. My films show mod osteoporosis in my symphysis pubis, acetabulum, cervical, thoracic, and lumbar spine, and sacrum. I also have multiple osteophytes all over my spine, bringing us back to the multiple myeloma question. My bone marrow bx was negative, but my labs are positive, and the osteophytes are also classic. Too many things going on. My neurosurgeon and rheumy told me that if I don't correct the osteoporosis, I will be severely disabled and crippled within the next 5-8 yrs. Osteoporosis also runs in my family, on my mother's side. It has not skipped any generation. My other question is related to Tums. Tums is an excellent source of elemental Ca, and quite honestly, I can eat fruit flavored Tums till the cows come home! Would eating 6-7 Tums/day take care of my Ca problem? Each Tums contains 200mg of elemental Ca. I'd rather take Tums than take a supplement that can be expensive and doesn't taste nearly as good. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! The calcium see-saw. . . Calcium--citrate is highly assimilated but you want to make sure you get something that is "time-released" and that it totally releases--some tablets do not. That is the most important thing. I believe you can drop one in water for 1/2 an hour and see if it breaks up. Maybe Dr. Kolb will see this and have some- thing to contribute. Be moderate and take about 1200 daily more won't do you any good if you don't have the things to go with it. There is a supplement called Bone Builder that has boron in it--that is supposed to be the best--see if you can find it. I can't remember the manufacturer. Magnesium--correct--anywhere from 1/2 to the same amount as calcium. . You will also need Vitamin D--has yours been checked? This is not something physicians usually check--mine was low after implants, probably because it is lipophilic. Vitamin D is not actually a vitamin--it's a hormone; you can get it with 15 minutes of daily sunshine (without sunscreen) or you can take a supplement of 400 IU daily--Solaray makes a good one. I would have the Vitamin D (think it's called the 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol) and the alkaline phos checked just to be sure. If the Vitamin D is low you may wish to take more for a while. The RDAs on the vitamins are very low and one doesn't get all of the vitamin anyway. A shortage of this Vitamin will show osteopenia or osteoporosis--I've been there. And you need zinc--it's another thing rarely checked. While many say it's ok to take it with calcium I remember Adelle saying-- it needs to work with calcium, but take it at a different time. Most women I know (we are all menopausal) take their calcium at bedtime and the other things during the day. Calcium can bind to a lot of things and inhibit their activity so take it by itself. Silica is usually used in the capsule of some things--I have used various supplements with it with no reaction whatsoever. The only thing I've mentioned above that is in capsule form, rather than a tablet, is Vit D, and if you get Solaray--it has no silica in the capsule. MSM, chondroitin sulfate, and chondroitin glucosamine are supposed to be very good for bones--I do all of them now for maintenance after five years on the above, but in your case I would take them additionally. In order for the best absorption and also for connective tissue, take L-lysine and L-arginine as directed. I'm somewhat wary about taking arginine without balancing it with ornithine--I'd do this to be safe--ornithine won't help your bones (well, maybe, who knows) but you will stay in balance. They actually come in one capsule by Twin Lab--but it does have silica in it so that's up to you. The healthfood store can advise you on others. Remember, this silica goes through your digestive system and out--not the same thing as implants--and its silica, not silicone. Bones can actually start deteriorating at age 30-- bone scans use this age to compare. All you gals at 30 or older should do all but the sulfates and L-Lysine, Arginine and Ornithine. If you have to have soda, just drink one occasionally, as it counters everything. And those on thyroid hormone, if your doc didn't mention it--you are at more risk for osteoporosis. (until we hear differently) Hope this helps. . . Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Tums are not a good source of calcium for you e, you need to just take the citracal 2x a day and yeah I lay in the sun allot too and it does not matter, you still need the vitamin d to absorb the CA but the other stuff I would not worry to much about just take the actonel and the citracal it is easy and painless and no big deal. I take one in the am with breakfast and one in the eve with Dinner. Osteoporosis does not have to be disabling, I have done tons and tons of research on this, as I have shared with this group when I had my first bone scan done, there are things that can help, the actonel is one of them, also the miacalcin works too, it is easier on your body than the fosomax or the actonel, for me that is ok, I will take my chances with the osteopenia with citracal and vit D and the miacalcin spray and working out with weights and doing other weight bearing exercise. In 2 years when I get my repeat dexa scan I will see if I have been successful or not. You can treat this, and there are new drugs that are being studied right now that are supposed to be even better. Hang in there and get the citracal girl. Hugs PS the ca in tumms mostly will be pee'd out of your body, that is why even though it has lots in it, it is sort of useless. ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Bonnie, So, you're saying that I should be taking Ca, Mg, zinc, boron, and Vit D? I know that Vitamin Cottage does have some products with all of these in one capsule. I really don't think I am deficient in Vit D, as I live in Tucson, AZ, and the sun never goes away! I lie out in the sun quite a bit, without sunscreen, (I know, I know, I'm a RN and should know better), so I'm sure I get plenty of Vit D. I obviously don't get the Ca, as I HATE milk, don't particularly like yogurt, or most milk products. I do like cheese, but I don't sit around and eat cheese daily. As for the others, I have no clue. I also don't know what the Actonel will do to my bones. I do know that it is a superior product compared to Fosamax, and there have been very good results. I also know that it does take time for it to work, and I'm not sure how all of the above will interact (if they even will). No docs seem to know either. I just don't want to have one supplement cx out the Actonel, or vice versa. My films show mod osteoporosis in my symphysis pubis, acetabulum, cervical, thoracic, and lumbar spine, and sacrum. I also have multiple osteophytes all over my spine, bringing us back to the multiple myeloma question. My bone marrow bx was negative, but my labs are positive, and the osteophytes are also classic. Too many things going on. My neurosurgeon and rheumy told me that if I don't correct the osteoporosis, I will be severely disabled and crippled within the next 5-8 yrs. Osteoporosis also runs in my family, on my mother's side. It has not skipped any generation. My other question is related to Tums. Tums is an excellent source of elemental Ca, and quite honestly, I can eat fruit flavored Tums till the cows come home! Would eating 6-7 Tums/day take care of my Ca problem? Each Tums contains 200mg of elemental Ca. I'd rather take Tums than take a supplement that can be expensive and doesn't taste nearly as good. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! The calcium see-saw. . . Calcium--citrate is highly assimilated but you want to make sure you get something that is "time-released" and that it totally releases--some tablets do not. That is the most important thing. I believe you can drop one in water for 1/2 an hour and see if it breaks up. Maybe Dr. Kolb will see this and have some- thing to contribute. Be moderate and take about 1200 daily more won't do you any good if you don't have the things to go with it. There is a supplement called Bone Builder that has boron in it--that is supposed to be the best--see if you can find it. I can't remember the manufacturer. Magnesium--correct--anywhere from 1/2 to the same amount as calcium. . You will also need Vitamin D--has yours been checked? This is not something physicians usually check--mine was low after implants, probably because it is lipophilic. Vitamin D is not actually a vitamin--it's a hormone; you can get it with 15 minutes of daily sunshine (without sunscreen) or you can take a supplement of 400 IU daily--Solaray makes a good one. I would have the Vitamin D (think it's called the 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol) and the alkaline phos checked just to be sure. If the Vitamin D is low you may wish to take more for a while. The RDAs on the vitamins are very low and one doesn't get all of the vitamin anyway. A shortage of this Vitamin will show osteopenia or osteoporosis--I've been there. And you need zinc--it's another thing rarely checked. While many say it's ok to take it with calcium I remember Adelle saying-- it needs to work with calcium, but take it at a different time. Most women I know (we are all menopausal) take their calcium at bedtime and the other things during the day. Calcium can bind to a lot of things and inhibit their activity so take it by itself. Silica is usually used in the capsule of some things--I have used various supplements with it with no reaction whatsoever. The only thing I've mentioned above that is in capsule form, rather than a tablet, is Vit D, and if you get Solaray--it has no silica in the capsule. MSM, chondroitin sulfate, and chondroitin glucosamine are supposed to be very good for bones--I do all of them now for maintenance after five years on the above, but in your case I would take them additionally. In order for the best absorption and also for connective tissue, take L-lysine and L-arginine as directed. I'm somewhat wary about taking arginine without balancing it with ornithine--I'd do this to be safe--ornithine won't help your bones (well, maybe, who knows) but you will stay in balance. They actually come in one capsule by Twin Lab--but it does have silica in it so that's up to you. The healthfood store can advise you on others. Remember, this silica goes through your digestive system and out--not the same thing as implants--and its silica, not silicone. Bones can actually start deteriorating at age 30-- bone scans use this age to compare. All you gals at 30 or older should do all but the sulfates and L-Lysine, Arginine and Ornithine. If you have to have soda, just drink one occasionally, as it counters everything. And those on thyroid hormone, if your doc didn't mention it--you are at more risk for osteoporosis. (until we hear differently) Hope this helps. . . 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Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 I have been through this whole calcium issue as well, and what I have been told and have read is that calcium citrate is the most easily absorbed form of calcium to take. You will notice when you look at the various strenths of each calcium tablet that the citrate form will be very low in comparison. (Such as 150-200 mg per pill, whereas others may be 500-1000 mg per pill.) Thus, you need to take more pills to get the recommended daily amount of calcium. My orthopedic doc (when I broke my ankle) suggested that I get at least 1500 mg daily. You also need to make sure you have Vit D in adequate stores for calcium to be absorbed, so be sure to get some sunshine daily. And, yes, the magnesium too--I have heard in the past that it should be in a 2:1 ratio (twice as much calcium as magnesium), but I have also heard that this has been revised to a 1:1 ratio. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Need info, please!! I need to take a calcium supplement per my neurosurgeon and per my bone density test results. I went onto my favorite vitamin website, Vitamin Cottage, and was looking at all the different forms of Ca available. There is Ca carbonate, Ca ascorbate, Ca citrate, Ca lactate, and chelated Ca. My question is this: what is the best form to take Ca? I need whatever is most absorbable and least stressful on the gut. I know that Mg should be taken with Ca for maximum absorption, so I plan to get a supplement with this. Also, what is the recommended daily dose of each? Someone told me that 1300mg Ca is recommended, but since osteoporosis has been confirmed, I probably need at least 1500mg. Then one vitamin place said that 3000mg was recommended. I don't want to take too much, as we all know that too much is not always better. But I want to and need to ensure that I'm getting enough, and I'm not too crazy about taking a zillion pills a day. Someone please help me. I am frantic trying to find the "right" supplement because I'm so mortified that I actually have osteoporosis at the age of 32, and so fearful that my fusion may completely fail if I don't start getting adequate amts of Ca in my bones. I also will not take any supplement that contains silica or anything related to silicone in the filler, so ingredients will also play into my decision. HELP!!!!! e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 I was told that it is more like 1200 mg a day that you need, this was by a bone Dr and he said that the citracal D is the best one, it is 650 mg of CA with each tab so you only need two a day. If you eat a balanced healthy diet you should be ok with this supplement alone in my opinion and from what my Dr told me about this disease. Hugs ----- Original Message ----- From: ~*Patty*~ Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! I have been through this whole calcium issue as well, and what I have been told and have read is that calcium citrate is the most easily absorbed form of calcium to take. You will notice when you look at the various strenths of each calcium tablet that the citrate form will be very low in comparison. (Such as 150-200 mg per pill, whereas others may be 500-1000 mg per pill.) Thus, you need to take more pills to get the recommended daily amount of calcium. My orthopedic doc (when I broke my ankle) suggested that I get at least 1500 mg daily. You also need to make sure you have Vit D in adequate stores for calcium to be absorbed, so be sure to get some sunshine daily. And, yes, the magnesium too--I have heard in the past that it should be in a 2:1 ratio (twice as much calcium as magnesium), but I have also heard that this has been revised to a 1:1 ratio. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Need info, please!! I need to take a calcium supplement per my neurosurgeon and per my bone density test results. I went onto my favorite vitamin website, Vitamin Cottage, and was looking at all the different forms of Ca available. There is Ca carbonate, Ca ascorbate, Ca citrate, Ca lactate, and chelated Ca. My question is this: what is the best form to take Ca? I need whatever is most absorbable and least stressful on the gut. I know that Mg should be taken with Ca for maximum absorption, so I plan to get a supplement with this. Also, what is the recommended daily dose of each? Someone told me that 1300mg Ca is recommended, but since osteoporosis has been confirmed, I probably need at least 1500mg. Then one vitamin place said that 3000mg was recommended. I don't want to take too much, as we all know that too much is not always better. But I want to and need to ensure that I'm getting enough, and I'm not too crazy about taking a zillion pills a day. Someone please help me. I am frantic trying to find the "right" supplement because I'm so mortified that I actually have osteoporosis at the age of 32, and so fearful that my fusion may completely fail if I don't start getting adequate amts of Ca in my bones. I also will not take any supplement that contains silica or anything related to silicone in the filler, so ingredients will also play into my decision. HELP!!!!! e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 , You're right, osteoporosis does not have to be disabling. But in my case, I already have moderate osteoporosis, and I knew 3 yrs ago that I had early osteoporosis, and did nothing about it. You can't completely reverse osteoporosis, but yes, products like Actonel can increase bone density and prevent it from becoming a disabling disease. However, once osteoporosis has reached a certain stage without treatment, it is much more difficult to halt the disease and prevent the disability that results from it. That is what my docs meant when they said that I could be crippled in 5-8 yrs. I knew I had early osteoporosis 3 yrs ago and because I thought "it would never happen to me" I decided to ignore it, thinking that if I did, it might go away. Well, I'm paying the price now and am kicking myself that I wasn't more proactive 3 yrs ago. I will be able to slow down the progress, but too much damage has been done already. I don't think I will be disfigured and crippled in 5-8 yrs, but I have realized that I will be in a lot of pain for the rest of my life, and will probably be hunched over sooner than the "classic" woman with osteoporosis. How are you tolerating the Actonel? I did take Actonel 2 yrs ago, without any side effects, but was on it for a short period of time (I took myself off it). Are you on the weekly dose or the daily dose? e ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Tums are not a good source of calcium for you e, you need to just take the citracal 2x a day and yeah I lay in the sun allot too and it does not matter, you still need the vitamin d to absorb the CA but the other stuff I would not worry to much about just take the actonel and the citracal it is easy and painless and no big deal. I take one in the am with breakfast and one in the eve with Dinner. Osteoporosis does not have to be disabling, I have done tons and tons of research on this, as I have shared with this group when I had my first bone scan done, there are things that can help, the actonel is one of them, also the miacalcin works too, it is easier on your body than the fosomax or the actonel, for me that is ok, I will take my chances with the osteopenia with citracal and vit D and the miacalcin spray and working out with weights and doing other weight bearing exercise. In 2 years when I get my repeat dexa scan I will see if I have been successful or not. You can treat this, and there are new drugs that are being studied right now that are supposed to be even better. Hang in there and get the citracal girl. Hugs PS the ca in tumms mostly will be pee'd out of your body, that is why even though it has lots in it, it is sort of useless. ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Bonnie, So, you're saying that I should be taking Ca, Mg, zinc, boron, and Vit D? I know that Vitamin Cottage does have some products with all of these in one capsule. I really don't think I am deficient in Vit D, as I live in Tucson, AZ, and the sun never goes away! I lie out in the sun quite a bit, without sunscreen, (I know, I know, I'm a RN and should know better), so I'm sure I get plenty of Vit D. I obviously don't get the Ca, as I HATE milk, don't particularly like yogurt, or most milk products. I do like cheese, but I don't sit around and eat cheese daily. As for the others, I have no clue. I also don't know what the Actonel will do to my bones. I do know that it is a superior product compared to Fosamax, and there have been very good results. I also know that it does take time for it to work, and I'm not sure how all of the above will interact (if they even will). No docs seem to know either. I just don't want to have one supplement cx out the Actonel, or vice versa. My films show mod osteoporosis in my symphysis pubis, acetabulum, cervical, thoracic, and lumbar spine, and sacrum. I also have multiple osteophytes all over my spine, bringing us back to the multiple myeloma question. My bone marrow bx was negative, but my labs are positive, and the osteophytes are also classic. Too many things going on. My neurosurgeon and rheumy told me that if I don't correct the osteoporosis, I will be severely disabled and crippled within the next 5-8 yrs. Osteoporosis also runs in my family, on my mother's side. It has not skipped any generation. My other question is related to Tums. Tums is an excellent source of elemental Ca, and quite honestly, I can eat fruit flavored Tums till the cows come home! Would eating 6-7 Tums/day take care of my Ca problem? Each Tums contains 200mg of elemental Ca. I'd rather take Tums than take a supplement that can be expensive and doesn't taste nearly as good. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! The calcium see-saw. . . Calcium--citrate is highly assimilated but you want to make sure you get something that is "time-released" and that it totally releases--some tablets do not. That is the most important thing. I believe you can drop one in water for 1/2 an hour and see if it breaks up. Maybe Dr. Kolb will see this and have some- thing to contribute. Be moderate and take about 1200 daily more won't do you any good if you don't have the things to go with it. There is a supplement called Bone Builder that has boron in it--that is supposed to be the best--see if you can find it. I can't remember the manufacturer. Magnesium--correct--anywhere from 1/2 to the same amount as calcium. . You will also need Vitamin D--has yours been checked? This is not something physicians usually check--mine was low after implants, probably because it is lipophilic. Vitamin D is not actually a vitamin--it's a hormone; you can get it with 15 minutes of daily sunshine (without sunscreen) or you can take a supplement of 400 IU daily--Solaray makes a good one. I would have the Vitamin D (think it's called the 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol) and the alkaline phos checked just to be sure. If the Vitamin D is low you may wish to take more for a while. The RDAs on the vitamins are very low and one doesn't get all of the vitamin anyway. A shortage of this Vitamin will show osteopenia or osteoporosis--I've been there. And you need zinc--it's another thing rarely checked. While many say it's ok to take it with calcium I remember Adelle saying-- it needs to work with calcium, but take it at a different time. Most women I know (we are all menopausal) take their calcium at bedtime and the other things during the day. Calcium can bind to a lot of things and inhibit their activity so take it by itself. Silica is usually used in the capsule of some things--I have used various supplements with it with no reaction whatsoever. The only thing I've mentioned above that is in capsule form, rather than a tablet, is Vit D, and if you get Solaray--it has no silica in the capsule. MSM, chondroitin sulfate, and chondroitin glucosamine are supposed to be very good for bones--I do all of them now for maintenance after five years on the above, but in your case I would take them additionally. In order for the best absorption and also for connective tissue, take L-lysine and L-arginine as directed. I'm somewhat wary about taking arginine without balancing it with ornithine--I'd do this to be safe--ornithine won't help your bones (well, maybe, who knows) but you will stay in balance. They actually come in one capsule by Twin Lab--but it does have silica in it so that's up to you. The healthfood store can advise you on others. Remember, this silica goes through your digestive system and out--not the same thing as implants--and its silica, not silicone. Bones can actually start deteriorating at age 30-- bone scans use this age to compare. All you gals at 30 or older should do all but the sulfates and L-Lysine, Arginine and Ornithine. If you have to have soda, just drink one occasionally, as it counters everything. And those on thyroid hormone, if your doc didn't mention it--you are at more risk for osteoporosis. (until we hear differently) Hope this helps. . . Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 I cannot take that stuff it constipates me badly, and makes me sick to my stomach, so I take the miacalcin, spray right now, it may not be as good, but I am going to give it 2 years till my next scan and then see if I am doing better or not. I wonder what the implants have to do with this, and how it all could be caused by thyroid and parathyroid problems too. Well time for bed We will talk more tmorrow honey take care ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! , You're right, osteoporosis does not have to be disabling. But in my case, I already have moderate osteoporosis, and I knew 3 yrs ago that I had early osteoporosis, and did nothing about it. You can't completely reverse osteoporosis, but yes, products like Actonel can increase bone density and prevent it from becoming a disabling disease. However, once osteoporosis has reached a certain stage without treatment, it is much more difficult to halt the disease and prevent the disability that results from it. That is what my docs meant when they said that I could be crippled in 5-8 yrs. I knew I had early osteoporosis 3 yrs ago and because I thought "it would never happen to me" I decided to ignore it, thinking that if I did, it might go away. Well, I'm paying the price now and am kicking myself that I wasn't more proactive 3 yrs ago. I will be able to slow down the progress, but too much damage has been done already. I don't think I will be disfigured and crippled in 5-8 yrs, but I have realized that I will be in a lot of pain for the rest of my life, and will probably be hunched over sooner than the "classic" woman with osteoporosis. How are you tolerating the Actonel? I did take Actonel 2 yrs ago, without any side effects, but was on it for a short period of time (I took myself off it). Are you on the weekly dose or the daily dose? e ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Tums are not a good source of calcium for you e, you need to just take the citracal 2x a day and yeah I lay in the sun allot too and it does not matter, you still need the vitamin d to absorb the CA but the other stuff I would not worry to much about just take the actonel and the citracal it is easy and painless and no big deal. I take one in the am with breakfast and one in the eve with Dinner. Osteoporosis does not have to be disabling, I have done tons and tons of research on this, as I have shared with this group when I had my first bone scan done, there are things that can help, the actonel is one of them, also the miacalcin works too, it is easier on your body than the fosomax or the actonel, for me that is ok, I will take my chances with the osteopenia with citracal and vit D and the miacalcin spray and working out with weights and doing other weight bearing exercise. In 2 years when I get my repeat dexa scan I will see if I have been successful or not. You can treat this, and there are new drugs that are being studied right now that are supposed to be even better. Hang in there and get the citracal girl. Hugs PS the ca in tumms mostly will be pee'd out of your body, that is why even though it has lots in it, it is sort of useless. ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Bonnie, So, you're saying that I should be taking Ca, Mg, zinc, boron, and Vit D? I know that Vitamin Cottage does have some products with all of these in one capsule. I really don't think I am deficient in Vit D, as I live in Tucson, AZ, and the sun never goes away! I lie out in the sun quite a bit, without sunscreen, (I know, I know, I'm a RN and should know better), so I'm sure I get plenty of Vit D. I obviously don't get the Ca, as I HATE milk, don't particularly like yogurt, or most milk products. I do like cheese, but I don't sit around and eat cheese daily. As for the others, I have no clue. I also don't know what the Actonel will do to my bones. I do know that it is a superior product compared to Fosamax, and there have been very good results. I also know that it does take time for it to work, and I'm not sure how all of the above will interact (if they even will). No docs seem to know either. I just don't want to have one supplement cx out the Actonel, or vice versa. My films show mod osteoporosis in my symphysis pubis, acetabulum, cervical, thoracic, and lumbar spine, and sacrum. I also have multiple osteophytes all over my spine, bringing us back to the multiple myeloma question. My bone marrow bx was negative, but my labs are positive, and the osteophytes are also classic. Too many things going on. My neurosurgeon and rheumy told me that if I don't correct the osteoporosis, I will be severely disabled and crippled within the next 5-8 yrs. Osteoporosis also runs in my family, on my mother's side. It has not skipped any generation. My other question is related to Tums. Tums is an excellent source of elemental Ca, and quite honestly, I can eat fruit flavored Tums till the cows come home! Would eating 6-7 Tums/day take care of my Ca problem? Each Tums contains 200mg of elemental Ca. I'd rather take Tums than take a supplement that can be expensive and doesn't taste nearly as good. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! The calcium see-saw. . . Calcium--citrate is highly assimilated but you want to make sure you get something that is "time-released" and that it totally releases--some tablets do not. That is the most important thing. I believe you can drop one in water for 1/2 an hour and see if it breaks up. Maybe Dr. Kolb will see this and have some- thing to contribute. Be moderate and take about 1200 daily more won't do you any good if you don't have the things to go with it. There is a supplement called Bone Builder that has boron in it--that is supposed to be the best--see if you can find it. I can't remember the manufacturer. Magnesium--correct--anywhere from 1/2 to the same amount as calcium. . You will also need Vitamin D--has yours been checked? This is not something physicians usually check--mine was low after implants, probably because it is lipophilic. Vitamin D is not actually a vitamin--it's a hormone; you can get it with 15 minutes of daily sunshine (without sunscreen) or you can take a supplement of 400 IU daily--Solaray makes a good one. I would have the Vitamin D (think it's called the 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol) and the alkaline phos checked just to be sure. If the Vitamin D is low you may wish to take more for a while. The RDAs on the vitamins are very low and one doesn't get all of the vitamin anyway. A shortage of this Vitamin will show osteopenia or osteoporosis--I've been there. And you need zinc--it's another thing rarely checked. While many say it's ok to take it with calcium I remember Adelle saying-- it needs to work with calcium, but take it at a different time. Most women I know (we are all menopausal) take their calcium at bedtime and the other things during the day. Calcium can bind to a lot of things and inhibit their activity so take it by itself. Silica is usually used in the capsule of some things--I have used various supplements with it with no reaction whatsoever. The only thing I've mentioned above that is in capsule form, rather than a tablet, is Vit D, and if you get Solaray--it has no silica in the capsule. MSM, chondroitin sulfate, and chondroitin glucosamine are supposed to be very good for bones--I do all of them now for maintenance after five years on the above, but in your case I would take them additionally. In order for the best absorption and also for connective tissue, take L-lysine and L-arginine as directed. I'm somewhat wary about taking arginine without balancing it with ornithine--I'd do this to be safe--ornithine won't help your bones (well, maybe, who knows) but you will stay in balance. They actually come in one capsule by Twin Lab--but it does have silica in it so that's up to you. The healthfood store can advise you on others. Remember, this silica goes through your digestive system and out--not the same thing as implants--and its silica, not silicone. Bones can actually start deteriorating at age 30-- bone scans use this age to compare. All you gals at 30 or older should do all but the sulfates and L-Lysine, Arginine and Ornithine. If you have to have soda, just drink one occasionally, as it counters everything. And those on thyroid hormone, if your doc didn't mention it--you are at more risk for osteoporosis. (until we hear differently) Hope this helps. . . Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 e, There are lots of foods other than dairy that are good sources of calcium. I posted a list to the group not too long ago in fact. Nuts, beans and dark green leafy veggies are good sources, and one of the best plant sources of calcium is sesame seeds--you can buy sesame seed bars at the health food store, or you can use tahini, which is sesame paste. We love tahini here, and use it in hummus, or in making a tahini sauce for pita pockets. I don't think taking Tums is the best way to get enough calcium, although I've definitely seen it marketed that way. But my concern would stem from the fact that it is an antacid....I mean, you are going to be knocking out the digestive acids in your stomach, which you are going to need for proper digestion and absorption in the first place. I would stick with a good supplement and eat some calcium rich foods. If you want me to resend the list, just let me know. Glad you are back home, but so sorry to hear that you hate Tucson so much! I love it there, it is my home, but I guess it doesn't grow on everyone. I hope you can get settled back in Denver and be happy again. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Bonnie, So, you're saying that I should be taking Ca, Mg, zinc, boron, and Vit D? I know that Vitamin Cottage does have some products with all of these in one capsule. I really don't think I am deficient in Vit D, as I live in Tucson, AZ, and the sun never goes away! I lie out in the sun quite a bit, without sunscreen, (I know, I know, I'm a RN and should know better), so I'm sure I get plenty of Vit D. I obviously don't get the Ca, as I HATE milk, don't particularly like yogurt, or most milk products. I do like cheese, but I don't sit around and eat cheese daily. As for the others, I have no clue. I also don't know what the Actonel will do to my bones. I do know that it is a superior product compared to Fosamax, and there have been very good results. I also know that it does take time for it to work, and I'm not sure how all of the above will interact (if they even will). No docs se em to know either. I just don't want to have one supplement cx out the Actonel, or vice versa. My films show mod osteoporosis in my symphysis pubis, acetabulum, cervical, thoracic, and lumbar spine, and sacrum. I also have multiple osteophytes all over my spine, bringing us back to the multiple myeloma question. My bone marrow bx was negative, but my labs are positive, and the osteophytes are also classic. Too many things going on. My neurosurgeon and rheumy told me that if I don't correct the osteoporosis, I will be severely disabled and crippled within the next 5-8 yrs. Osteoporosis also runs in my family, on my mother's side. It has not skipped any generation. My other question is related to Tums. Tums is an excellent source of elemental Ca, and quite honestly, I can eat fruit flavored Tums till the cows come home! Would eating 6-7 Tums/day take care of my Ca problem? Each Tums contains 200mg of elemental Ca. I'd rather take Tums than take a supplement that can be expensive and doesn't taste nearly as good. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! The calcium see-saw. . . Calcium--citrate is highly assimilated but you want to make sure you get something that is "time-released" and that it totally release s--some tablets do not. That is the most important thing. I believe you can drop one in water for 1/2 an hour and see if it breaks up. Maybe Dr. Kolb will see this and have some- thing to contribute. Be moderate and take about 1200 daily more won't do you any good if you don't have the things to go with it. There is a supplement called Bone Builder that has boron in it--that is supposed to be the best--see if you can find it. I can't remember the manufacturer. Magnesium--correct--anywhere from 1/2 to the same amount as calcium. . You will also need Vitamin D--has yours been checked? This is not something physicians usually check--mine was low after implants, probably because it is lipophilic. Vitamin D is not actually a vitamin--it's a hormone; you can get it with 15 minutes of daily sunshine (without sunscreen) or you can take a supplement of 400 IU daily--Solaray m akes a good one. I would have the Vitamin D (think it's called the 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol) and the alkaline phos checked just to be sure. If the Vitamin D is low you may wish to take more for a while. The RDAs on the vitamins are very low and one doesn't get all of the vitamin anyway. A shortage of this Vitamin will show osteopenia or osteoporosis--I've been there. And you need zinc--it's another thing rarely checked. While many say it's ok to take it with calcium I remember Adelle saying-- it needs to work with calcium, but take it at a different time. Most women I know (we are all menopausal) take their calcium at bedtime and the other things during the day. Calcium can bind to a lot of things and inhibit their activity so take it by itself. Silica is usually used in the capsule of some things--I have used various supplements with it with no reaction whatsoever. The only thing I've mentioned above that is in capsule form, rather than a tablet, is Vit D, and if you get Solaray--it has no silica in the capsule. MSM, chondroitin sulfate, and chondroitin glucosamine are supposed to be very good for bones--I do all of them now for maintenance after five years on the above, but in your case I would take them additionally. In order for the best absorption and also for connective tissue, take L-lysine and L-arginine as directed. I'm somewhat wary about taking arginine without balancing it with ornithine--I'd do this to be safe--ornithine won't help your bones (well, maybe, who knows) but you will stay in balance. They actually come in one capsule by Twin Lab--but it does have silica in it so that's up to you. The healthfood store can advise you on others. Remember, this silica goes through your digestive system and out--not the same t hing as implants--and its silica, not silicone. Bones can actually start deteriorating at age 30-- bone scans use this age to compare. All you gals at 30 or older should do all but the sulfates and L-Lysine, Arginine and Ornithine. If you have to have soda, just drink one occasionally, as it counters everything. And those on thyroid hormone, if your doc didn't mention it--you are at more risk for osteoporosis. (until we hear differently) Hope this helps. . . Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Call our clinic at 770-390-0012 or check it out on the internet. . -----Original Message-----From: e Rene [mailto:e_Rene@...]Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:27 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Where can I get CalMax? e ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Kolb Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: RE: Need info, please!! I recommend CalMax which has calcium gluconate and Magnesium and Vit C. . -----Original Message-----From: e Rene [mailto:e_Rene@...]Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Need info, please!! I need to take a calcium supplement per my neurosurgeon and per my bone density test results. I went onto my favorite vitamin website, Vitamin Cottage, and was looking at all the different forms of Ca available. There is Ca carbonate, Ca ascorbate, Ca citrate, Ca lactate, and chelated Ca. My question is this: what is the best form to take Ca? I need whatever is most absorbable and least stressful on the gut. I know that Mg should be taken with Ca for maximum absorption, so I plan to get a supplement with this. Also, what is the recommended daily dose of each? Someone told me that 1300mg Ca is recommended, but since osteoporosis has been confirmed, I probably need at least 1500mg. Then one vitamin place said that 3000mg was recommended. I don't want to take too much, as we all know that too much is not always better. But I want to and need to ensure that I'm getting enough, and I'm not too crazy about taking a zillion pills a day. Someone please help me. I am frantic trying to find the "right" supplement because I'm so mortified that I actually have osteoporosis at the age of 32, and so fearful that my fusion may completely fail if I don't start getting adequate amts of Ca in my bones. I also will not take any supplement that contains silica or anything related to silicone in the filler, so ingredients will also play into my decision. HELP!!!!! e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 Yes! and Solaray is known to have good products. . .you could run right back there and get some zinc, too, e. Re the silicon dioxide--you have this in your body naturally and it helps build bones. I've always wondered why I craved oatmeal for about three years after explantation, as it contains considerable silicon. You don't much like veggies, but you do like brussel sprouts--that is so odd--so few people who like veggies, like brussel sprouts. Well instead of deciding that you won't get calcium from food, why not try deciding to learn to like fruits and veggies? They might taste different to you as an adult than they did as a child. Glad you got the calcium pill--and glad its citrate. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 Zinc is needed to combine with the cal, mag and Vit D. Too much of anything is detrimental. Just take a low dose if it concerns you. Sloan-Kettering did some very positive studies re zinc about 10 years ago--still waiting to hear it publicized. Zinc is apparently great for colds--friend takes it regularly though. I now take a bottle every six months or so--50 mg tablets. This is something that I had good levels of, even when ill and some other tests were going south. It must be why I don't catch colds. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 I went out and bought a good supplement today at a vitamin store. It is a Soloray product, and contains Ca, Mg, and Vit D. It is Ca citrate, and I have heard Soloray is a good brand. It also contains watercress, alfalfa leaf, dandelion, and something else. The woman at the store said that these aid in absorption of the Ca. At any rate, I feel better now that I have this supplement. And thank you everyone for all of your input. It is greatly appreciated. Now, I'm reading about the Actonel, and on the package insert, I noticed that there is silicon dioxide in the ingredients. I am now hesitant to take this product. I wonder if taking a good supplement will be enough to help my bones? Any suggestions? I just don't want to take anything containing silicon or any form of silicon. As for eating foods that are a good source of Ca. Well, that is great, except I am the pickiest eater, and don't like much fruits or vegetables. In fact, I rarely eat fruit or veggies. Really can't stand them. The only vegetable I like is brussel sprouts. And I really don't have a favorite fruit. Every once in a while, (like once a yr) I eat a kiwi, and that's about it. So, I just won't be getting adequate intake of Ca from food. I could absolutely kick myself for putting myself in this position. When I only had mild osteoporosis 3 yrs ago, I should have been proactive and started taking supplements and taking better care of my bones. But I didn't and now I'm going to pay for it. Just another reason to hate myself....... e ----- Original Message ----- From: ~*Patty*~ Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! e, There are lots of foods other than dairy that are good sources of calcium. I posted a list to the group not too long ago in fact. Nuts, beans and dark green leafy veggies are good sources, and one of the best plant sources of calcium is sesame seeds--you can buy sesame seed bars at the health food store, or you can use tahini, which is sesame paste. We love tahini here, and use it in hummus, or in making a tahini sauce for pita pockets. I don't think taking Tums is the best way to get enough calcium, although I've definitely seen it marketed that way. But my concern would stem from the fact that it is an antacid....I mean, you are going to be knocking out the digestive acids in your stomach, which you are going to need for proper digestion and absorption in the first place. I would stick with a good supplement and eat some calcium rich foods. If you want me to resend the list, just let me know. Glad you are back home, but so sorry to hear that you hate Tucson so much! I love it there, it is my home, but I guess it doesn't grow on everyone. I hope you can get settled back in Denver and be happy again. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: e Rene Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Bonnie, So, you're saying that I should be taking Ca, Mg, zinc, boron, and Vit D? I know that Vitamin Cottage does have some products with all of these in one capsule. I really don't think I am deficient in Vit D, as I live in Tucson, AZ, and the sun never goes away! I lie out in the sun quite a bit, without sunscreen, (I know, I know, I'm a RN and should know better), so I'm sure I get plenty of Vit D. I obviously don't get the Ca, as I HATE milk, don't particularly like yogurt, or most milk products. I do like cheese, but I don't sit around and eat cheese daily. As for the others, I have no clue. I also don't know what the Actonel will do to my bones. I do know that it is a superior product compared to Fosamax, and there have been very good results. I also know that it does take time for it to work, and I'm not sure how all of the above will interact (if they even will). No docs se em to know either. I just don't want to have one supplement cx out the Actonel, or vice versa. My films show mod osteoporosis in my symphysis pubis, acetabulum, cervical, thoracic, and lumbar spine, and sacrum. I also have multiple osteophytes all over my spine, bringing us back to the multiple myeloma question. My bone marrow bx was negative, but my labs are positive, and the osteophytes are also classic. Too many things going on. My neurosurgeon and rheumy told me that if I don't correct the osteoporosis, I will be severely disabled and crippled within the next 5-8 yrs. Osteoporosis also runs in my family, on my mother's side. It has not skipped any generation. My other question is related to Tums. Tums is an excellent source of elemental Ca, and quite honestly, I can eat fruit flavored Tums till the cows come home! Would eating 6-7 Tums/day take care of my Ca problem? Each Tums contains 200mg of elemental Ca. I'd rather take Tums than take a supplement that can be expensive and doesn't taste nearly as good. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! The calcium see-saw. . . Calcium--citrate is highly assimilated but you want to make sure you get something that is "time-released" and that it totally release s--some tablets do not. That is the most important thing. I believe you can drop one in water for 1/2 an hour and see if it breaks up. Maybe Dr. Kolb will see this and have some- thing to contribute. Be moderate and take about 1200 daily more won't do you any good if you don't have the things to go with it. There is a supplement called Bone Builder that has boron in it--that is supposed to be the best--see if you can find it. I can't remember the manufacturer. Magnesium--correct--anywhere from 1/2 to the same amount as calcium. . You will also need Vitamin D--has yours been checked? This is not something physicians usually check--mine was low after implants, probably because it is lipophilic. Vitamin D is not actually a vitamin--it's a hormone; you can get it with 15 minutes of daily sunshine (without sunscreen) or you can take a supplement of 400 IU daily--Solaray m akes a good one. I would have the Vitamin D (think it's called the 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol) and the alkaline phos checked just to be sure. If the Vitamin D is low you may wish to take more for a while. The RDAs on the vitamins are very low and one doesn't get all of the vitamin anyway. A shortage of this Vitamin will show osteopenia or osteoporosis--I've been there. And you need zinc--it's another thing rarely checked. While many say it's ok to take it with calcium I remember Adelle saying-- it needs to work with calcium, but take it at a different time. Most women I know (we are all menopausal) take their calcium at bedtime and the other things during the day. Calcium can bind to a lot of things and inhibit their activity so take it by itself. Silica is usually used in the capsule of some things--I have used various supplements with it with no reaction whatsoever. The only thing I've mentioned above that is in capsule form, rather than a tablet, is Vit D, and if you get Solaray--it has no silica in the capsule. MSM, chondroitin sulfate, and chondroitin glucosamine are supposed to be very good for bones--I do all of them now for maintenance after five years on the above, but in your case I would take them additionally. In order for the best absorption and also for connective tissue, take L-lysine and L-arginine as directed. I'm somewhat wary about taking arginine without balancing it with ornithine--I'd do this to be safe--ornithine won't help your bones (well, maybe, who knows) but you will stay in balance. They actually come in one capsule by Twin Lab--but it does have silica in it so that's up to you. The healthfood store can advise you on others. Remember, this silica goes through your digestive system and out--not the same t hing as implants--and its silica, not silicone. Bones can actually start deteriorating at age 30-- bone scans use this age to compare. All you gals at 30 or older should do all but the sulfates and L-Lysine, Arginine and Ornithine. If you have to have soda, just drink one occasionally, as it counters everything. And those on thyroid hormone, if your doc didn't mention it--you are at more risk for osteoporosis. (until we hear differently) Hope this helps. . . Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 Bonnie, I've tried to change my opinion about fruits and veggies, but it just isn't going to work. Sometimes fruit looks so good when I see other people eating it, so I run out to the store and get some, and then I eat one and the rest sits in the frig until it rots. Perfect example is last wk I bought some plums. I took one to the airport with me last wk, ate it, and ended up throwing out the rest. Same with some kiwi I bought. I hate apples, hate nectarines, HATE strawberries, peaches are okay, but I can only stand one a yr; I may have 1 plum every 5 yrs; not crazy about oranges, cherries are okay once a yr. Like I said, I LOVE brussel sprouts. I do eat lots of brussel sprouts. Not crazy about broccoli, not crazy about salads, not crazy about cauliflower, carrots, beans, peas, potatoes, etc. You get the picture. I do love cabbage, though. I actually loved fruits and veggies when I was a kid, then as an adult, I developed a dislike for them. Not sure why. Now, what does zinc do for you? I have heard that too much zinc can actually destroy your immune system and render your body susceptible to just about everything. I have read in medical journals that zinc should only be taken when you have a cold or flu, then dc it, and that in studies people who took zinc regularly vs people who took it only when immune compromised actually had more colds, flu, and immune dysfunction than the control group. But those studies were published about 1 1/2 yrs ago, so maybe I should do more research. Anyway, thanks for your info. I really do appreciate it. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Need info, please!! Yes! and Solaray is known to have good products. . .you could run right back there and get some zinc, too, e. Re the silicon dioxide--you have this in your body naturally and it helps build bones. I've always wondered why I craved oatmeal for about three years after explantation, as it contains considerable silicon. You don't much like veggies, but you do like brussel sprouts--that is so odd--so few people who like veggies, like brussel sprouts. Well instead of deciding that you won't get calcium from food, why not try deciding to learn to like fruits and veggies? They might taste different to you as an adult than they did as a child. Glad you got the calcium pill--and glad its citrate. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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