Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 This didn't post to this group, but post to two other groups to which I belong....so i'll post again... This didn't post first time, so I'll try again... This is a long post! I copied my post to ASI ...so I've not modified it in any way....I'm not selling anything but just want to make you aware of information you may not have access too.I've always been a big fan of carpet bagging information from one site to other sites particularly when information might be relevant.I first learned about generic Viagra (GV) at our former site, hosted by Community Zero, in posts by one of our members, J33dow2002 and I was fascinated by results men attained using GV.Jim A, of our group here advocates taking a small amt of V (~25 mg) daily/nightly, which for him appears to facilitate erectile capabilities on libidinal, demand. Couple months ago my b/f gave me his, large unused, supply of V, 50 and 100 mg tablets. I did ~2 wks taking 50 mg V each night....using the 50 mg tablets. My nocturnal erections (NEs) and piss hardons (PHs) were very hard, particularly the latter. I try to feel my NEs and PHs so I can guestimate their hardness and when I do, they generally begin entering flaccid state. Generally my PHs, taking 50 mg at bedtime, persisted harder for longer time before entering flaccid state.The assurance that I can purchase GV at reasonable price allows me to enter into a long term use of V.At Alt.Support Impotence - NG there have been several interesting threads on GV....I've copied some of those posts.....I've not spent time editing, but I've removed email addys of posters. As you will see, the posters comments were generally favorable. I liked that Indian GV 100 mg tablets are scored for easy breaking.Hope this is helpful for some of you.... ________________________________________ http://generics-online-pharmacy.com/ http://www.botanic-art.com/orderform.htm " Hi Folks, Received my asia27 order today(18count). These look exactly like Viagra in shape, size, and color, but instead of Pfizer stamped on one side & VGR 100 on the other, these have ASIA stamped in on just one side. I'll give these a test drive this weekend, the human guinea pig strikes again! Hey, if I'm not back by monday send out a search party! fcr " >not back by monday send out a search party! _________________________________________________________________ Yes, I too received my 18 today (or yesterday, it being 1.00am on 11/15/02 in NYC) however they arrived by priority mail with a hand-applied $3.85 stamp, a return address of www.asia.27south.com and a postmark that indicates they were mailed on Nov 12 from an illegible place in the US of which the first three letters seem to be " MAO " or " MAC " . The guy who runs asia27 seems to be Russian with a first or last name of " Drago " (he's posted under that name here). I wonder if the ASIA manufacturing plant is in his garage? Macon GA, perhaps? As to the shape and size they do not have a breaking score and they're thicker than both Sillagra and Viagra. I'd guess at almost double the volume. They also seem more friable indicating a less fine inert (hopefully <g>) filler. Still, the proof of the pudding is in the eating so I'll let you know _____________________________________________________________________ _ @X. wrote: >On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:14:16 -0500, wrote: >> " FCR " < wrote: >>>Received my asia27 order today(18count). These look exactly like Viagra in >>>shape, size, and color, but instead of Pfizer stamped on one side & VGR 100 >>>on the other, these have ASIA stamped in on just one side. I'll give these >>>a test drive this weekend, the human guinea pig strikes again! Hey, if I'm >>>not back by monday send out a search party! >>Yes, I too received my 18 today (or yesterday, it being 1.00am on >>11/15/02 in NYC) however they arrived by priority mail with a >>hand-applied $3.85 stamp, a return address of www.asia.27south.com and >>a postmark that indicates they were mailed on Nov 12 from an illegible >>place in the US of which the first three letters seem to be " MAO " or >> " MAC " . The guy who runs asia27 seems to be Russian with a first or >>last name of " Drago " (he's posted under that name here). I wonder if >>the ASIA manufacturing plant is in his garage? Macon GA, perhaps? >I do believe asia27 is probably selling legitimate Sildenafil tablets >and the latest pricing is certainly competitive so I can't fault them >on that either, but I will hold a grudge against these guys foe >spamming this and another newsgroup. Not to aggressive spamming but >usenet and advertizing raises the hair on my neck. Plus although I >believe the product is probably good, I have read statements from the >proprietor that certainly are untrue. Marketing of that type that >does not belong in usenet. I am kind of biting my tongue because >currently they are offering a good price and a probably good product >so I cannot fault anyone from ordering from them on that basis but the >deceptive posts and the spam kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth. >Just my opinion. Since the previous post I've tried my usual combination of 1/4 Yohimbine + 1/4 Sildenafil twice using the above " Asia " for the Sildenafil part. In each case I used a separate 100mg tablet to extract the 25mg (1/4). Result: I noticed no difference between my body's reaction using " Asia " or Sillagra or the real Pfizer-produced Viagra. So far so good. OTOH, X makes some good points about the spamming which I agree with and also about the greater confidence in the Indian products. I agree with that too and in fact the price difference between Generics Online and Asia27 is not so great on its own to compensate for the quality question but in my case I have an order outstanding with Generics Online since 10/2/02. They reply to emails and tell me they'll reimburse me if it's lost but I have to wait. In the meantime I'm nearly out of Sillagra and I'm not going to re-order from Generics Online until they do something about the 10/2/02 order and even if they cleared it up tomorrow it still takes 4-6 weeks for a new order to arrive. Asia27 took less than a week. On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:39:28 +0000 (UTC), " Mikey " < wrote: >Have tried to email them but NO reply. > >I don't want to complete an order then lose my money. > >Thanks > >Mike I have now heard quite a few complaints that they don't answer e-mail but they do still deliver the pills, and unless this new source someone posted the other day works out, generics-online-pharmacy.com is still the cheapest source. If you want better customer service. I found http:\\www.importeddrugs.com to be much more responsive and faster shipping than generics-online but at the cost of a $25 shipping charge. I guess you get what you pay for service wise. If you are patient, generics-online is still a good deal though. Sigra is the exact same formula as stamina rx ,it works great !!!! " Eno Xappen " < wrote in message news:akoem1$2gf5$1@.... > > > >> selling this generic Viagra from overseas? Anyone ever tried the > generic > > >> stuff? Results? > -------------------------------------- > > >you talk about sigra ? > > > http://www.botanic-art.com/sigra.htm > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > I looked at that web site and that is definitely NOT generic Viagra. > > It appears to be some sort of Yohimbe based product similar to stuff > > you can buy over the counter locally. Generic Viagra would be either > > 50mg or 100mg tablets of Sildenafil Citrate. If it doesn't say that, > > it's NOTgeneric Viagra. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > > > Yes but Sigra work better (for me ) than Viagra, no head explosion, no 7 hrs > hard and on the end painfull dick. On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:32:00 -0600 (CST), >That's an option, but I hate to risk over $200.00 on a first order. To >be quite honest, even though I've read so many positive tesimonials on >here about the generics, I'm still kind of paranoid about even taking >the imported stuff. >If anyone from Illinois has success in getting decent product from >somewhere let me know. Try following up with http:\\www.importeddrugs.com I found them to be fairly responsive and helpful. If the automated order failed, contact them and ask. They have an info e-mail address at inquiries@... and unlike some online companies, it is possible to communicate with a real person. BTW a commentary on safety and quality. Currently there are two classes of generic Sildenafil tablets. Bulk Sildenafil citrate powder is readily available to anyone in India and China so anyone with a automated tablet press can go into the generic Viagra business. The pills are probably good but quality control is unknown. These pills will have catchy names but will not list a major multinational pharmaceutical company behind them. Like I say probably good but you have no way of knowing for sure. Then there are the Indian generics by the huge Multinational Indian Pharmaceutical companies. These companies sell globally and have a reputation to maintain. They cant sell Generic Viagra in the US but they sell other generic drugs in the US and western Europe so there facilities are US FDA and EU inspected and their quality control must be to first world standards. Examples of these companies would be http://www.sunpharma.com/ that makes Edegra http://www.zyduscadila.com/ that makes Penegra http://www.ranbaxy.com/ that makes Caverta Ranbaxy, and Indian company, is the 9th largest generic pharmaceutical IN THE U.S, manufacturing other pharmaceuticals in the US http://www.cipla.com/ that makes Silagra and Okasa that makes Suhagra Products from these manufactures must meet rigid first world quality control. Many of the generic pills sold at your local pharmacy come from these companies. Products like " Asia " , " Vigrex " and others are probably perfectly fine but do not have the same backing as the Indian generics by major Multinational Indian Pharmaceutical companies. ANY drug out of China is also not of the same level of quality control as the Indian generics. There is good Chinese generic Sildenafil tablets but China ia also the counterfit drug capital of the world. Another positive point about Indian generics. Is that there are very high quality counterfeit " genuine " Pfizer Viagra out of China with holograms and all. So even if you obtain " genuine " Pfizer Viagra it could possibly be counterfeit. But no counterfeiter anywhere will waste his time counterfeiting inexpensive Indian generics when Pfizer Viagra is so much more profitable to counterfeit. So if you do obtain " Name Brand " Indian generics you can safely assume it is genuine. I have no problem with crumbling of the Indian generic viagra: Silagra 100 Sildenafil Citrate Tablets. Manufacturered by Cipla Obtained from Generics-Online_pharmacy. I use a large wire cutter, so there are 2 blades cutting (Top & Bottom), whereas a knife leaves the other side of the pill against a flat surface. But: If I look at 2 pills side-by-side, visual comparison between Pfizer Viagra and Cipla shows that the generic 100 mg pill is about 80% the size of the Pfizer pill. I don't have a good scale for weighing the pills, so I can't tell if the weight differs. Has anyone else noticed this? Is the generic pill underweight? I don't have enough usage experience with the Cipla to make any conclusions, but others have indicated less undesireable side effects with the generic. I wonder if that could be due to a lower dosage? The one time I tried the generic I had these side effects, same as Pfizer brand: Flushing, stuffyness, a tired feeling and headache. I don't recall getting a headache from the Pfizer before, but 1 try with 1/4 of a pill is far from conclusive. I am looking forward to the approval of some of the new ED pills in the works, hoping for less side-effects. _____________________________________________________________________ _____ On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:00:06 GMT, wrote: >I have no problem with crumbling of the Indian generic viagra: Silagra 100 >Sildenafil Citrate Tablets. Manufacturered by Cipla Obtained from >Generics-Online_pharmacy. I use a large wire cutter, so there are 2 blades >cutting (Top & Bottom), whereas a knife leaves the other side of the pill >against a flat surface. > >But: > >If I look at 2 pills side-by-side, visual comparison between Pfizer Viagra >and Cipla shows that the generic 100 mg pill is about 80% the size of the >Pfizer pill. I don't have a good scale for weighing the pills, so I can't tell >if the weight differs. Has anyone else noticed this? Is the generic pill >underweight? > >I don't have enough usage experience with the Cipla to make any conclusions, >but others have indicated less undesireable side effects with the generic. I >wonder if that could be due to a lower dosage? I noticed the size difference right off and actually weighed Pfizer Viagra and 3 different Indian generic brands on an accurate electronic scale in the lab at work. The 100mg Pfizer Viagra weighed 632mg meaning if it contains 100mg it has 532mg of inert ingredients. The 100mg Okasa Suhagra and Cipla Silagra both weighed approximately 357mg meaning it can have 257mg of inert ingredients and still contain 100mg of Sildenafil as advertised. Suhagra and Silagra are both the same shape, and deeply scored for splitting. Suhagra is red and Silagra is blue. Otherwise they are mostly identical. The 100mg Zydus Penegra weighed 640mg. Penegra tablets are almost identical in shape and size to Pfizer Viagra but pink in color. They are not scored. So in actuality all of the tablets are mostly inert ingredients but I suppose that explains the difference in size of the tablets. The Silagra and Suhagra's just more concentrated than Pfizer Viagra. Perhaps the comments about Silagra not tasting as bad is due to less inert ingredients. Perhaps some people react to some of the inert ingredients as well so they experience less adverse reaction to the more " pure " tablets. _____________________________________________________________________ _____ On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:03:41 -0700, " Will " < wrote: >Can anyone enlighten me? I read yesterday that Pfizer is starting >litigation against Bayer and other pharmaceuticals for their attempt to >develop and market their own " ED " products, even though the product is not >the same as Pfizer's Viagra. With that in mind, how can there be a generic >sildenafil identical to Viagra now available on the internet? Where is this >product made and is it a legitimate product or just another internet >rip-off? I would certainly appreciate any insight offered and, if possible, >would like to hear from anyone who has successfully purchased and used non >Viagra sildenafil. Please reply to the group. Thanks. India has different patent laws than the US. In India you can patent a process for producing a drug, but the drug itself is considered a substance, the confluence of the laws of nature, so as such it cannot be patented. All the Indian drug companies had to do was find a different way to produce the active ingredient in Viagra and thus avoid Pfizers patents. Pfizer already sued and lost in Indian courts. There will be no generic Viagra at your local pharmacy for a long time though because US patent laws work differently. Cipla has a web page describing the Silagra product at http://www.cipla.com/ourproducts/38/silagra.htm Two reliable and cheap sources are http://www.generics-online-pharmacy.com which ships in from 2 to four weeks. Or http://www.importeddrugs.com/ which shipped to me in 9 days but only ships airborne express for $25 extra. Those are the cheapest two places I found. Both are less than $2.50 per 100mg. Shipping by airmail from generics-online is far cheaper but Airborne Express from importeddrugs is probably more reliable than airmail and they had great service. On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:21:39 -0500, " wrote: >I learned about http://generics-online-pharmacy.com/ from a poster at ASI web. > > " j33dow, Very interesting....thanks for that information. My b/f gave me a >large supply of his unused Viaga (60 - 70 100 mg tablets). Following Jim >Avocet's very positive experience taking Viagra daily, I've begun that >practice taking 50 mg Viagra..along with about 5 gms L-Arginine at bed time. >This morning I had a very hard and persistent piss hard on. Previously I >would be aware of piss hardons but with slightest movement my dick would >resume flaccid state again. I've got some more tinkering before I'm ready to >post about this...I want to to try just Viagra alone and then just >L-Arginine alone. Interesting. I might try that myself. I have a large quantity of generic Viagra around here now. I might see how that works. > I have two questions... i) about how long was delivery >time from date you placed your order? I have ordered twice from generics-online-pharmacy.com twice. Both times my order was received in about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks from when I ordered. > ii) I visited the site Do you know >which generic you received, Silagra or possibly Shugra as described below. >Sildenafil Citrate 100mg tablets. Brand Name: Silagra®, manufactured by >Cipla®. Product is equivalent to Viagra® 100, manufactured by Pfizer®. At >the moment there is a shortage of the Silagra brand, we reserve the right to >dispense Suhagra made by Okasa® (division of Cipla®). If you purchase 16 100 >mg tablets, cost works out to $2.40 per 100 mg tablet. Thanks again, " OR eon The first time I ordered, about 2 months ago, I received Suhagra. The second time I ordered I received Silagra. It really makes no difference. I think they try to ship Silagra brand because the tablets are blue colored and diamond shaped similar to name brand Viagra, where as the Suhagra are red colored and round tablets. Maybe some people don't like red, round Viagra. Both are 100mg of Sildenafil Citrate though only the external appearance is different. I cant see any difference in how they work. I have also tried Penegra brand from another source. These are pink and diamond shaped. 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