DHEA for bone loss?

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One of the messages I got today discussed one of the benefits of DHEA in strengthening bone . . . Does anyone know anything about it? . .. or other benefits?

Rogene

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No--no negative reactions. There are some things that I just

had faith were working--antioxidants come to mind--and some things I could feel immediately (MSM comes to mind) My recuperation

was a slow process with many long plateaus--I was learning

about my body while doing it--I have to read up on anything that

goes into it anymore. It was slow because I couldn't remember

what I just learned. . .this was truly an opportunity to learn

patience LOL

With your supplements, it could be that you are doing too

many new things at once and your body is getting

confused. I'm only familiar with DHEA with women

(such as myself) who are post-menopausal. And I

have very little familiarity with conventional meds.

Sorry.

How long have you been doing the baby aspirin? It takes

a couple of weeks before you feel different--but depending on your

situation it can take quite a while to totally eliminate the brain fog--

if, in fact, that is what's causing it. Are you drinking a lot of

spring water daily? (1/2 your weight in ozs) Dr. Kolb suggested

Penta water, which I am now using--it provides more oxygen and

we definitely need more oxygen. (And I could tell a difference after four bottles--love it) Which reminds me--are you taking

the antioxidants? Free radicals can do a lot of different things--it is

suspected that most damage is done by them--that aging is a result

of them.

Actually, the first few years I was ill, I took basic, fundamental supplements.

And rarely, do I ever take any combination supplements; I'm not familiar

with herbs, but see them in my near future.

Some basic things that get overlooked:

1)If the mineral levels aren't adequate, the vitamins don't work well

2) Take vitamins with food--we don't know all the interactions there may be.

3)When taking B, take the whole complex--you can take one type of B in

addition for a while. 4) Give your body a schedule re eating, sleeping, exercising, supplements.

(Doesn't have to be rigid)

5) Get a lot of natural light--light stimulates hormone production through the

retino-hypothalamic pathway. I noticed this as a factor in my situation and

even before that a surgeon had thought there was something going on

re that area. It's fine now, I guess, but I still get plenty of light.

6) For some reason, some people lose an ability to assimilate B12 as they

get older; I don't know how old you are, but always remember this is as

a future possibility

7) For some reason, some people become lactose interolerant as they get older.

Some meds and maybe supplements, have lactose in their base--it wouldn't hurt

to check the label. . .especially since you seem to reject some things. 8) Menstruating women have a good chance of being low on iron; prolonged infection/inflammation can cause one to be low on iron;

I did take an herb for this, based totally on the word of the storeowner's

wife--Yellow Dock Root--milder on the bowel than most iron pills.

I know that these things sound unsophisticated, but they are ever so

important; the baby aspirin and water sounds simple, too, but it makes

a world of difference to some. To my generation, exercise sounded unsophisticated at one time, also.

Hope that is at least a little help. .

Bonnie

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Got mine at the healthfood store--they had cases of it.

Must be a big promo going on.

There is a site www.pentawater.com that might be able to help.

Bonnie

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My naturopath in Tucson put me on DHEA after we did a hormone levels test for cortisol (he put me on Isocort, too, and a few other things.) I didn't keep up with the DHEA, because at that time, so soon after explant, I did not see any measureable improvement. I had brain fog constantly then, 24/7.

As I've improved, but still had brain fog intermittently, I have experimented with progesterone cream on my own, after reading about it. The result from the progestersone cream was disruption of my normally pretty consistent periods. I got one in the middle of the cycle out of the blue. Dr. Kolb suggested that it might be break-through bleeding, so I cut out the progesterone and did nothing. That was about a year or so ago.

Next, after reading Dr. Khalsa's book on brain longevity, he recommends pregnenolone, 50 mg dose, among other things to help the brain, (including DHEA, but pregnenolone is a precursor to even DHEA) So, I tried that. Again, I got a period out of the blue in the middle of my cycle, and this was also right before my most recent bout of terrible brain fog. I mentioned the pregnenolone to the naturopath I saw here, and he commented that he thought the 50 mg dose of pregnenolone was rather on the smaller end of dosage. That surprised me! I've been battling this brain fog and it has been really bad, so I just up and quit everything, because I was better before I added this new stuff. It seems that I am better when I take no supplements! And I get good quality supplements too.

So, I am at this point just not sure what I should take, what I shouldn't take and how I can get the supplements I need without having to deal with this horrid screwy brain when it hits me. I've already begun my dedicated exercise program, and that seems to have helped, but then again, I quit all the supplements too, so I can't tell if it the exercise program or cutting out the supplements that have actually helped. I also added the baby aspirin daily, and ate some more garlic.

It seems I have tried every magic bullet out there to get better, but in the end, I feel better when I take nothing. Maybe the problem is that I am making my immune system too strong with all these supplements, and the autoimmune condition is exacerbated???? I wish I knew!

Bonnie, I am glad to hear that you are doing so well! AT least it gives a great amount of hope to the rest of us who are still fighting some of these symptoms and dealing with new ones. Any suggestions on my supplement problem? Did you react negatively to any supplements?

Patty

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From: Bos@...

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:20 PM

Subject: Re: DHEA for bone loss?

All I know ( or shall I say, all I can remember at the moment) is that my doc has me on it to induce whatever natural estrogen I have. We are then going to do a 24 urine to measure and see if I need more per script. He recommends 50 mg pregnenolone and 25 mg DHEA daily and this is standard unless a patient indicates otherwise. And I can tell the difference when I forget it. . .so it must be doing something. If indeed estrogen loss induces bone loss, one would logically say DHEA is for bone loss. Is it enough? For some yes and others, no. I'm open to the idea that bone loss occurs with age as well as a decline in estrogen occuring with age and they happen to coincide. In any event, estrogen is definitely needed for good brain function--this was a surprise finding by researchers studying the brain in the early 90s. While my doc feels the natural is the best, he also feels that any kind is better than none at all. Bonnie

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Bonnie, Where do you get the Penta water? I'd like to get some. e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: Re: DHEA for bone loss? No--no negative reactions. There are some things that I just had faith were working--antioxidants come to mind--and some things I could feel immediately (MSM comes to mind) My recuperation was a slow process with many long plateaus--I was learning about my body while doing it--I have to read up on anything that goes into it anymore. It was slow because I couldn't remember what I just learned. . .this was truly an opportunity to learn patience LOL With your supplements, it could be that you are doing too many new things at once and your body is getting confused. I'm only familiar with DHEA with women (such as myself) who are post-menopausal. And I have very little familiarity with conventional meds. Sorry. How long have you been doing the baby aspirin? It takes a couple of weeks before you feel different--but depending on your situation it can take quite a while to totally eliminate the brain fog-- if, in fact, that is what's causing it. Are you drinking a lot of spring water daily? (1/2 your weight in ozs) Dr. Kolb suggested Penta water, which I am now using--it provides more oxygen and we definitely need more oxygen. (And I could tell a difference after four bottles--love it) Which reminds me--are you taking the antioxidants? Free radicals can do a lot of different things--it is suspected that most damage is done by them--that aging is a result of them. Actually, the first few years I was ill, I took basic, fundamental supplements. And rarely, do I ever take any combination supplements; I'm not familiar with herbs, but see them in my near future. Some basic things that get overlooked: 1)If the mineral levels aren't adequate, the vitamins don't work well 2) Take vitamins with food--we don't know all the interactions there may be. 3)When taking B, take the whole complex--you can take one type of B in addition for a while. 4) Give your body a schedule re eating, sleeping, exercising, supplements. (Doesn't have to be rigid) 5) Get a lot of natural light--light stimulates hormone production through the retino-hypothalamic pathway. I noticed this as a factor in my situation and even before that a surgeon had thought there was something going on re that area. It's fine now, I guess, but I still get plenty of light. 6) For some reason, some people lose an ability to assimilate B12 as they get older; I don't know how old you are, but always remember this is as a future possibility 7) For some reason, some people become lactose interolerant as they get older. Some meds and maybe supplements, have lactose in their base--it wouldn't hurt to check the label. . .especially since you seem to reject some things. 8) Menstruating women have a good chance of being low on iron; prolonged infection/inflammation can cause one to be low on iron; I did take an herb for this, based totally on the word of the storeowner's wife--Yellow Dock Root--milder on the bowel than most iron pills. I know that these things sound unsophisticated, but they are ever so important; the baby aspirin and water sounds simple, too, but it makes a world of difference to some. To my generation, exercise sounded unsophisticated at one time, also. Hope that is at least a little help. . Bonnie

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Thanks Bonnie!

----- Original Message -----

From: Bos@...

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:48 PM

Subject: Re: DHEA for bone loss?

No--no negative reactions. There are some things that I just had faith were working--antioxidants come to mind--and some things I could feel immediately (MSM comes to mind) My recuperation was a slow process with many long plateaus--I was learning about my body while doing it--I have to read up on anything that goes into it anymore. It was slow because I couldn't remember what I just learned. . .this was truly an opportunity to learn patience LOL With your supplements, it could be that you are doing too many new things at once and your body is getting confused. I'm only familiar with DHEA with women (such as myself) who are post-menopausal. And I have very little familiarity with conventional meds. Sorry. How long have you been doing the baby aspirin? It takes a couple of weeks before you feel different--but depending on your situation it can take quite a while to totally eliminate the brain fog-- if, in fact, that is what's causing it. Are you drinking a lot of spring water daily? (1/2 your weight in ozs) Dr. Kolb suggested Penta water, which I am now using--it provides more oxygen and we definitely need more oxygen. (And I could tell a difference after four bottles--love it) Which reminds me--are you taking the antioxidants? Free radicals can do a lot of different things--it is suspected that most damage is done by them--that aging is a result of them. Actually, the first few years I was ill, I took basic, fundamental supplements. And rarely, do I ever take any combination supplements; I'm not familiar with herbs, but see them in my near future. Some basic things that get overlooked: 1)If the mineral levels aren't adequate, the vitamins don't work well 2) Take vitamins with food--we don't know all the interactions there may be. 3)When taking B, take the whole complex--you can take one type of B in addition for a while. 4) Give your body a schedule re eating, sleeping, exercising, supplements. (Doesn't have to be rigid) 5) Get a lot of natural light--light stimulates hormone production through the retino-hypothalamic pathway. I noticed this as a factor in my situation and even before that a surgeon had thought there was something going on re that area. It's fine now, I guess, but I still get plenty of light. 6) For some reason, some people lose an ability to assimilate B12 as they get older; I don't know how old you are, but always remember this is as a future possibility 7) For some reason, some people become lactose interolerant as they get older. Some meds and maybe supplements, have lactose in their base--it wouldn't hurt to check the label. . .especially since you seem to reject some things. 8) Menstruating women have a good chance of being low on iron; prolonged infection/inflammation can cause one to be low on iron; I did take an herb for this, based totally on the word of the storeowner's wife--Yellow Dock Root--milder on the bowel than most iron pills. I know that these things sound unsophisticated, but they are ever so important; the baby aspirin and water sounds simple, too, but it makes a world of difference to some. To my generation, exercise sounded unsophisticated at one time, also. Hope that is at least a little help. . Bonnie