Re: Double blind study on zappers?

[Guest guest]

Dear Ziggy,

*Who are you, and why do you ask this?* I am fascinated by your use of

the phrase " you must understand that*if we allow* you to continue to

sell your own zapper on this website. " It implies that you have a

proprietary interest or control over the Dr list. As such, I feel

that it is only fair that you identify yourself and any financial ties

you may have with any type products or services.

When someone asks for a safe zapper recommendation, I feel that it is

perfectly proper for me to let them know that there is at least ONE

zapper that they can test risk-free. I cannot speak for other makers,

but WE stand behind our products 100%.

I speak as the world's leading Hulda zapper expert. I do not

pretend to this role. It is based on the fact that I invented the first

Hulda automatic zapper after direct personal consultation with Dr.

herself in 1995. After I began to sell the AutoZap Professional

zapper, I adopted a policy of talking to everyone who called or emailed

with questions, and learning all I could from the personal experiences

of our tens of thousands of customers in over 65 countries. Recently I

developed the only 5-minute zapper in the world, 12 times faster than

any other, after over 4 years of testing. On March, 2008, our new

FreeCoil technology SuperZappicator was successful in helping Dr.

herself get rid of parasites in her left eye muscles in only 20 minutes.

She told Lyn and me that she had been trying to get rid of them for 30

years. We are now developing a solar-powered 5-minute zapper kit for

the Third World that will zap up to 240 people in one hour.

Ziggy, what Hulda products have you developed yourself? Did you do

double blind studies on them before marketing?

Furthermore, I talk and listen to thousands of people each year, because

I care. I talk to them on my nickel whether or not they make a

purchase. As far as I can discover, no one else who makes zappers has

this same policy of being open to talk to inquirers or customers.

Certainly nobody has done it as long as I have. And for 14 years I was

privileged to be a friend of Hulda and her son Geoffrey. My last

long visit with Dr. was just 6 weeks before her death. If you have

any questions about my integrity or motivation, ask Geoff or

Carmen Myers at New Century Press who I really am. Or you could ask Leo

Regehr, Hulda's brother, who helps to moderate this list.

I do not try to proselytize or market on the Dr list. I DO feel

free to share the fruits of my experience as it seems appropriate in a

particular context.

In closing, I will remind you of Dr. 's response to a female MD in

Toronto in 1996, I think. The doctor, who had breast cancer, asked Hulda

why she had not done double blind studies, just as you asked me today.

Her response? * " I do not believe that double blind studies are ethical

if you have a life-saving treatment for a fatal condition. It is wrong

to sacrifice the control subjects by denying them access to a safe

treatment. " *

We are the only zapper maker to offer a full 100% money-back guarantee

on a zapper. *We guarantee that our AutoZap 5 super-fast zapper will

help you (provided that you use it as directed), or we will refund 100%

of the zapper price (less the cost of the consumable SuperStraps) for up

to a full year*. No questions asked, no hard feelings.

*Ziggy, if the drug manufacturers and doctors have such great stuff for

us because it is all proven by " evidence-based " double blind, randomized

crossover studies, why don't ANY of them EVER offer a money-back

guarantee on their stuff?

And when one of our friends or loved ones is harmed by their stuff, why

don't they lift a finger to make it right or alleviate their suffering?

*They can well afford to, with drug profit margins up to 500,000%, as

reported by Consumer Reports.

*

Ever wonder that? Why do you think that is?

*I await your reply.

Arthur Doerksen*

888-533-7007

www.BestZapper.com

**P.S. Our lifetime Integrated Wellness System is a one-time, lifetime

purchase for a whole family, at a cost that is less than 10% of a SINGLE

DOSE OF CHEMO. *Completely safe for all ages. I think people on this

list would like to know that, whether or not they ever decide to buy it

or contact us.

On 11/20/2010 8:44 PM, Ziggy wrote:

>

> Arthur,

>

> I would be very interested in seeing statistics from a double blind

> study that have been performed by a third party on the health benefits

> of your particular zapper.

>

> My apologies if you have already posted the results. If possible,

> please let me know which post these are in, so I could review them.

>

> Certainly you must understand that if we allow you to continue to sell

> your own zapper on this website without accessing evidence that it

> works better than any other brand on the market, who's stopping other

> zapper vendors (and there are many on the web claiming to be

> associated with Dr ) or worse, Big Pharma reps, from also coming

> on here and tooting their horns?

>

> You can see how confusing it is to folks who are focusing on healing

> and believing they are on a safe forum, which they should be. At the

> moment, your attempt to sell your OWN zapper product on a website

> dedicated to people seeking the truth and sharing unbiased experiences

> about Dr 's treatments strikes me as being borderline unethical

> and biased.

>

> I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this. I notice the only

> time you pop up is when someone asks a zapper question, and then it's

> only to talk about your own product.

>

> Ziggy

>

>

> >

> > > I am taking this product 1 three times per day trying to get rid

> of parasites. It has really increased my yeast. I was wondering if

> anyone has used it and if you think it was strong enough to help?

> > >

> > > It only says 350mg on the back for wormwood, black walnut sweet

> wormwood and cloves.

> > >

> > > I would like to also get a zapper, but like other people have

> posted, I have already spent a lot on things that do not work and

> don't want to go down that road again. Wish I knew of someone close by

> that had one I could try, but that is not the case here.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Arthur,

I would like to see the original source on the following statement you made.

Can you provide this for us?

" *They can well afford to, with drug profit margins up to 500,000%, as

reported by Consumer Reports. "

GB

> > >

> > > > I am taking this product 1 three times per day trying to get rid

> > of parasites. It has really increased my yeast. I was wondering if

> > anyone has used it and if you think it was strong enough to help?

> > > >

> > > > It only says 350mg on the back for wormwood, black walnut sweet

> > wormwood and cloves.

> > > >

> > > > I would like to also get a zapper, but like other people have

> > posted, I have already spent a lot on things that do not work and

> > don't want to go down that road again. Wish I knew of someone close by

> > that had one I could try, but that is not the case here.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi arthur,

this is not in response to this message but i was wondering if you are on

facebook? if you are i'd like to add you as a friend.

god bless

mike

Re: Re: Double blind study on zappers?

Dear Ziggy,

*Who are you, and why do you ask this?* I am fascinated by your use of

the phrase " you must understand that*if we allow* you to continue to

sell your own zapper on this website. " It implies that you have a

proprietary interest or control over the Dr list. As such, I feel

that it is only fair that you identify yourself and any financial ties

you may have with any type products or services.

When someone asks for a safe zapper recommendation, I feel that it is

perfectly proper for me to let them know that there is at least ONE

zapper that they can test risk-free. I cannot speak for other makers,

but WE stand behind our products 100%.

I speak as the world's leading Hulda zapper expert. I do not

pretend to this role. It is based on the fact that I invented the first

Hulda automatic zapper after direct personal consultation with Dr.

herself in 1995. After I began to sell the AutoZap Professional

zapper, I adopted a policy of talking to everyone who called or emailed

with questions, and learning all I could from the personal experiences

of our tens of thousands of customers in over 65 countries. Recently I

developed the only 5-minute zapper in the world, 12 times faster than

any other, after over 4 years of testing. On March, 2008, our new

FreeCoil technology SuperZappicator was successful in helping Dr.

herself get rid of parasites in her left eye muscles in only 20 minutes.

She told Lyn and me that she had been trying to get rid of them for 30

years. We are now developing a solar-powered 5-minute zapper kit for

the Third World that will zap up to 240 people in one hour.

Ziggy, what Hulda products have you developed yourself? Did you do

double blind studies on them before marketing?

Furthermore, I talk and listen to thousands of people each year, because

I care. I talk to them on my nickel whether or not they make a

purchase. As far as I can discover, no one else who makes zappers has

this same policy of being open to talk to inquirers or customers.

Certainly nobody has done it as long as I have. And for 14 years I was

privileged to be a friend of Hulda and her son Geoffrey. My last

long visit with Dr. was just 6 weeks before her death. If you have

any questions about my integrity or motivation, ask Geoff or

Carmen Myers at New Century Press who I really am. Or you could ask Leo

Regehr, Hulda's brother, who helps to moderate this list.

I do not try to proselytize or market on the Dr list. I DO feel

free to share the fruits of my experience as it seems appropriate in a

particular context.

In closing, I will remind you of Dr. 's response to a female MD in

Toronto in 1996, I think. The doctor, who had breast cancer, asked Hulda

why she had not done double blind studies, just as you asked me today.

Her response? * " I do not believe that double blind studies are ethical

if you have a life-saving treatment for a fatal condition. It is wrong

to sacrifice the control subjects by denying them access to a safe

treatment. " *

We are the only zapper maker to offer a full 100% money-back guarantee

on a zapper. *We guarantee that our AutoZap 5 super-fast zapper will

help you (provided that you use it as directed), or we will refund 100%

of the zapper price (less the cost of the consumable SuperStraps) for up

to a full year*. No questions asked, no hard feelings.

*Ziggy, if the drug manufacturers and doctors have such great stuff for

us because it is all proven by " evidence-based " double blind, randomized

crossover studies, why don't ANY of them EVER offer a money-back

guarantee on their stuff?

And when one of our friends or loved ones is harmed by their stuff, why

don't they lift a finger to make it right or alleviate their suffering?

*They can well afford to, with drug profit margins up to 500,000%, as

reported by Consumer Reports.

*

Ever wonder that? Why do you think that is?

*I await your reply.

Arthur Doerksen*

888-533-7007

www.BestZapper.com

**P.S. Our lifetime Integrated Wellness System is a one-time, lifetime

purchase for a whole family, at a cost that is less than 10% of a SINGLE

DOSE OF CHEMO. *Completely safe for all ages. I think people on this

list would like to know that, whether or not they ever decide to buy it

or contact us.

On 11/20/2010 8:44 PM, Ziggy wrote:

>

> Arthur,

>

> I would be very interested in seeing statistics from a double blind

> study that have been performed by a third party on the health benefits

> of your particular zapper.

>

> My apologies if you have already posted the results. If possible,

> please let me know which post these are in, so I could review them.

>

> Certainly you must understand that if we allow you to continue to sell

> your own zapper on this website without accessing evidence that it

> works better than any other brand on the market, who's stopping other

> zapper vendors (and there are many on the web claiming to be

> associated with Dr ) or worse, Big Pharma reps, from also coming

> on here and tooting their horns?

>

> You can see how confusing it is to folks who are focusing on healing

> and believing they are on a safe forum, which they should be. At the

> moment, your attempt to sell your OWN zapper product on a website

> dedicated to people seeking the truth and sharing unbiased experiences

> about Dr 's treatments strikes me as being borderline unethical

> and biased.

>

> I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this. I notice the only

> time you pop up is when someone asks a zapper question, and then it's

> only to talk about your own product.

>

> Ziggy

>

>

> >

> > > I am taking this product 1 three times per day trying to get rid

> of parasites. It has really increased my yeast. I was wondering if

> anyone has used it and if you think it was strong enough to help?

> > >

> > > It only says 350mg on the back for wormwood, black walnut sweet

> wormwood and cloves.

> > >

> > > I would like to also get a zapper, but like other people have

> posted, I have already spent a lot on things that do not work and

> don't want to go down that road again. Wish I knew of someone close by

> that had one I could try, but that is not the case here.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

GO ARTHUR!! and I know you care!!

ear Ziggy,

*Who are you, and why do you ask this?* I am fascinated by your use of

the phrase " you must understand that*if we allow* you to continue to

sell your own zapper on this website. " It implies that you have a

proprietary interest or control over the Dr list. As such, I feel

that it is only fair that you identify yourself and any financial ties

you may have with any type products or services.

When someone asks for a safe zapper recommendation, I feel that it is

perfectly proper for me to let them know that there is at least ONE

zapper that they can test risk-free. I cannot speak for other makers,

but WE stand behind our products 100%.

I speak as the world's leading Hulda zapper expert. I do not

pretend to this role. It is based on the fact that I invented the first

Hulda automatic zapper after direct personal consultation with Dr.

herself in 1995. After I began to sell the AutoZap Professional

zapper, I adopted a policy of talking to everyone who called or emailed

with questions, and learning all I could from the personal experiences

of our tens of thousands of customers in over 65 countries. Recently I

developed the only 5-minute zapper in the world, 12 times faster than

any other, after over 4 years of testing. On March, 2008, our new

FreeCoil technology SuperZappicator was successful in helping Dr.

herself get rid of parasites in her left eye muscles in only 20 minutes.

She told Lyn and me that she had been trying to get rid of them for 30

years. We are now developing a solar-powered 5-minute zapper kit for

the Third World that will zap up to 240 people in one hour.

Ziggy, what Hulda products have you developed yourself? Did you do

double blind studies on them before marketing?

Re: Re: Double blind study on zappers?

Dear Ziggy,

*Who are you, and why do you ask this?* I am fascinated by your use of

the phrase " you must understand that*if we allow* you to continue to

sell your own zapper on this website. " It implies that you have a

proprietary interest or control over the Dr list. As such, I feel

that it is only fair that you identify yourself and any financial ties

you may have with any type products or services.

When someone asks for a safe zapper recommendation, I feel that it is

perfectly proper for me to let them know that there is at least ONE

zapper that they can test risk-free. I cannot speak for other makers,

but WE stand behind our products 100%.

I speak as the world's leading Hulda zapper expert. I do not

pretend to this role. It is based on the fact that I invented the first

Hulda automatic zapper after direct personal consultation with Dr.

herself in 1995. After I began to sell the AutoZap Professional

zapper, I adopted a policy of talking to everyone who called or emailed

with questions, and learning all I could from the personal experiences

of our tens of thousands of customers in over 65 countries. Recently I

developed the only 5-minute zapper in the world, 12 times faster than

any other, after over 4 years of testing. On March, 2008, our new

FreeCoil technology SuperZappicator was successful in helping Dr.

herself get rid of parasites in her left eye muscles in only 20 minutes.

She told Lyn and me that she had been trying to get rid of them for 30

years. We are now developing a solar-powered 5-minute zapper kit for

the Third World that will zap up to 240 people in one hour.

Ziggy, what Hulda products have you developed yourself? Did you do

double blind studies on them before marketing?

Furthermore, I talk and listen to thousands of people each year, because

I care. I talk to them on my nickel whether or not they make a

purchase. As far as I can discover, no one else who makes zappers has

this same policy of being open to talk to inquirers or customers.

Certainly nobody has done it as long as I have. And for 14 years I was

privileged to be a friend of Hulda and her son Geoffrey. My last

long visit with Dr. was just 6 weeks before her death. If you have

any questions about my integrity or motivation, ask Geoff or

Carmen Myers at New Century Press who I really am. Or you could ask Leo

Regehr, Hulda's brother, who helps to moderate this list.

I do not try to proselytize or market on the Dr list. I DO feel

free to share the fruits of my experience as it seems appropriate in a

particular context.

In closing, I will remind you of Dr. 's response to a female MD in

Toronto in 1996, I think. The doctor, who had breast cancer, asked Hulda

why she had not done double blind studies, just as you asked me today.

Her response? * " I do not believe that double blind studies are ethical

if you have a life-saving treatment for a fatal condition. It is wrong

to sacrifice the control subjects by denying them access to a safe

treatment. " *

We are the only zapper maker to offer a full 100% money-back guarantee

on a zapper. *We guarantee that our AutoZap 5 super-fast zapper will

help you (provided that you use it as directed), or we will refund 100%

of the zapper price (less the cost of the consumable SuperStraps) for up

to a full year*. No questions asked, no hard feelings.

*Ziggy, if the drug manufacturers and doctors have such great stuff for

us because it is all proven by " evidence-based " double blind, randomized

crossover studies, why don't ANY of them EVER offer a money-back

guarantee on their stuff?

And when one of our friends or loved ones is harmed by their stuff, why

don't they lift a finger to make it right or alleviate their suffering?

*They can well afford to, with drug profit margins up to 500,000%, as

reported by Consumer Reports.

*

Ever wonder that? Why do you think that is?

*I await your reply.

Arthur Doerksen*

888-533-7007

www.BestZapper.com

**P.S. Our lifetime Integrated Wellness System is a one-time, lifetime

purchase for a whole family, at a cost that is less than 10% of a SINGLE

DOSE OF CHEMO. *Completely safe for all ages. I think people on this

list would like to know that, whether or not they ever decide to buy it

or contact us.

On 11/20/2010 8:44 PM, Ziggy wrote:

>

> Arthur,

>

> I would be very interested in seeing statistics from a double blind

> study that have been performed by a third party on the health benefits

> of your particular zapper.

>

> My apologies if you have already posted the results. If possible,

> please let me know which post these are in, so I could review them.

>

> Certainly you must understand that if we allow you to continue to sell

> your own zapper on this website without accessing evidence that it

> works better than any other brand on the market, who's stopping other

> zapper vendors (and there are many on the web claiming to be

> associated with Dr ) or worse, Big Pharma reps, from also coming

> on here and tooting their horns?

>

> You can see how confusing it is to folks who are focusing on healing

> and believing they are on a safe forum, which they should be. At the

> moment, your attempt to sell your OWN zapper product on a website

> dedicated to people seeking the truth and sharing unbiased experiences

> about Dr 's treatments strikes me as being borderline unethical

> and biased.

>

> I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this. I notice the only

> time you pop up is when someone asks a zapper question, and then it's

> only to talk about your own product.

>

> Ziggy

>

>

> >

> > > I am taking this product 1 three times per day trying to get rid

> of parasites. It has really increased my yeast. I was wondering if

> anyone has used it and if you think it was strong enough to help?

> > >

> > > It only says 350mg on the back for wormwood, black walnut sweet

> wormwood and cloves.

> > >

> > > I would like to also get a zapper, but like other people have

> posted, I have already spent a lot on things that do not work and

> don't want to go down that road again. Wish I knew of someone close by

> that had one I could try, but that is not the case here.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

See http://www.rense.com/general54/preco.htm for one report that puts

tha top markup at 569,000%. One excerpt:

Xanax 1 mg

Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79

Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024

Percent markup: 569,958%

Contrast this with claimed drug gang profit margins of 300% for US drug

traffickers. See on Wikipedia:

Davenport-Hines

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Davenport-Hines>, in his book /The

Pursuit of Oblivion/,^[80]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Drugs#cite_note-79> criticized the

efficacy of the War on Drugs by pointing out that

10--15% of illicit heroin and 30% of illicit cocaine is intercepted.

Drug traffickers have gross profit margins of up to 300%.

There is a lot more out there, but suffice it to say that most of the

profits reported from the Fortune 500 are made by the top few Big Pharma

companies. See

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/05/01/drug-companies-par\

t-six.aspx

Here is a quote:

" In a year that saw a drop in employment rates, a plunge in the stock

market and symbols of America's economy literally come crashing down,

the pharmaceutical industry continued its reign as the most profitable

industry in the annual Fortune 500 list.

While the overall profits of Fortune 500 companies declined by 53

percent - the second deepest dive in profits the Fortune 500 has taken

in its 47 years - the top 10 U.S. drug makers increased profits by 33

percent. "

I saw much newer numbers somewhere else that told the same story, but

could not find them in the 120 seconds I had to do it.

Blessings!

Arthur

On 11/21/2010 7:17 AM, greatyoga wrote:

> drug profit margins up to 500,000%

[Guest guest]

Yes, as Arthur Doerksen.

On 11/21/2010 8:41 AM, Mike wrote:

>

> Hi arthur,

>

> this is not in response to this message but i was wondering if you are

> on facebook? if you are i'd like to add you as a friend.

>

> god bless

>

> mike

>

> Re: Re: Double blind study on zappers?

>

> Dear Ziggy,

>

> *Who are you, and why do you ask this?* I am fascinated by your use of

> the phrase " you must understand that*if we allow* you to continue to

> sell your own zapper on this website. " It implies that you have a

> proprietary interest or control over the Dr list. As such, I feel

> that it is only fair that you identify yourself and any financial ties

> you may have with any type products or services.

>

> When someone asks for a safe zapper recommendation, I feel that it is

> perfectly proper for me to let them know that there is at least ONE

> zapper that they can test risk-free. I cannot speak for other makers,

> but WE stand behind our products 100%.

>

> I speak as the world's leading Hulda zapper expert. I do not

> pretend to this role. It is based on the fact that I invented the first

> Hulda automatic zapper after direct personal consultation with Dr.

> herself in 1995. After I began to sell the AutoZap Professional

> zapper, I adopted a policy of talking to everyone who called or emailed

> with questions, and learning all I could from the personal experiences

> of our tens of thousands of customers in over 65 countries. Recently I

> developed the only 5-minute zapper in the world, 12 times faster than

> any other, after over 4 years of testing. On March, 2008, our new

> FreeCoil technology SuperZappicator was successful in helping Dr.

> herself get rid of parasites in her left eye muscles in only 20 minutes.

> She told Lyn and me that she had been trying to get rid of them for 30

> years. We are now developing a solar-powered 5-minute zapper kit for

> the Third World that will zap up to 240 people in one hour.

>

> Ziggy, what Hulda products have you developed yourself? Did you do

> double blind studies on them before marketing?

>

> Furthermore, I talk and listen to thousands of people each year, because

> I care. I talk to them on my nickel whether or not they make a

> purchase. As far as I can discover, no one else who makes zappers has

> this same policy of being open to talk to inquirers or customers.

> Certainly nobody has done it as long as I have. And for 14 years I was

> privileged to be a friend of Hulda and her son Geoffrey. My last

> long visit with Dr. was just 6 weeks before her death. If you have

> any questions about my integrity or motivation, ask Geoff or

> Carmen Myers at New Century Press who I really am. Or you could ask Leo

> Regehr, Hulda's brother, who helps to moderate this list.

>

> I do not try to proselytize or market on the Dr list. I DO feel

> free to share the fruits of my experience as it seems appropriate in a

> particular context.

>

> In closing, I will remind you of Dr. 's response to a female MD in

> Toronto in 1996, I think. The doctor, who had breast cancer, asked Hulda

> why she had not done double blind studies, just as you asked me today.

> Her response? * " I do not believe that double blind studies are ethical

> if you have a life-saving treatment for a fatal condition. It is wrong

> to sacrifice the control subjects by denying them access to a safe

> treatment. " *

>

> We are the only zapper maker to offer a full 100% money-back guarantee

> on a zapper. *We guarantee that our AutoZap 5 super-fast zapper will

> help you (provided that you use it as directed), or we will refund 100%

> of the zapper price (less the cost of the consumable SuperStraps) for up

> to a full year*. No questions asked, no hard feelings.

>

> *Ziggy, if the drug manufacturers and doctors have such great stuff for

> us because it is all proven by " evidence-based " double blind, randomized

> crossover studies, why don't ANY of them EVER offer a money-back

> guarantee on their stuff?

>

> And when one of our friends or loved ones is harmed by their stuff, why

> don't they lift a finger to make it right or alleviate their suffering?

> *They can well afford to, with drug profit margins up to 500,000%, as

> reported by Consumer Reports.

> *

> Ever wonder that? Why do you think that is?

>

> *I await your reply.

>

> Arthur Doerksen*

>

> 888-533-7007

> www.BestZapper.com

>

> **P.S. Our lifetime Integrated Wellness System is a one-time, lifetime

> purchase for a whole family, at a cost that is less than 10% of a SINGLE

> DOSE OF CHEMO. *Completely safe for all ages. I think people on this

> list would like to know that, whether or not they ever decide to buy it

> or contact us.

>

> On 11/20/2010 8:44 PM, Ziggy wrote:

> >

> > Arthur,

> >

> > I would be very interested in seeing statistics from a double blind

> > study that have been performed by a third party on the health benefits

> > of your particular zapper.

> >

> > My apologies if you have already posted the results. If possible,

> > please let me know which post these are in, so I could review them.

> >

> > Certainly you must understand that if we allow you to continue to sell

> > your own zapper on this website without accessing evidence that it

> > works better than any other brand on the market, who's stopping other

> > zapper vendors (and there are many on the web claiming to be

> > associated with Dr ) or worse, Big Pharma reps, from also coming

> > on here and tooting their horns?

> >

> > You can see how confusing it is to folks who are focusing on healing

> > and believing they are on a safe forum, which they should be. At the

> > moment, your attempt to sell your OWN zapper product on a website

> > dedicated to people seeking the truth and sharing unbiased experiences

> > about Dr 's treatments strikes me as being borderline unethical

> > and biased.

> >

> > I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this. I notice the only

> > time you pop up is when someone asks a zapper question, and then it's

> > only to talk about your own product.

> >

> > Ziggy

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > I am taking this product 1 three times per day trying to get rid

> > of parasites. It has really increased my yeast. I was wondering if

> > anyone has used it and if you think it was strong enough to help?

> > > >

> > > > It only says 350mg on the back for wormwood, black walnut sweet

> > wormwood and cloves.

> > > >

> > > > I would like to also get a zapper, but like other people have

> > posted, I have already spent a lot on things that do not work and

> > don't want to go down that road again. Wish I knew of someone close by

> > that had one I could try, but that is not the case here.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> Posted by: " Arthur Doerksen " arthur7@... ad71950

> Date: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:07 pm ((PST))

>

> See http://www.rense.com/general54/preco.htm for one report that puts

> tha top markup at 569,000%. One excerpt:

>

> Xanax 1 mg

> Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79

> Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024

> Percent markup: 569,958%

Nothing constructive on this discussion, but as an interesting contrast: I

used to get xanax from the pharmacy here in the Netherlands for Euro 0.11

per 0.5mg (Euro.0.22 per 1 mg). This is a LOT less than $1.37 per mg that

is quoted above.

Interesting!

Ilana, who happily eliminated the need for xanax a year ago, yay!

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I looked for you on the search bar but you didn't pop up only a few links to

your best zapper site.

mike

Re: Re: Double blind study on zappers?

>

> Dear Ziggy,

>

> *Who are you, and why do you ask this?* I am fascinated by your use of

> the phrase " you must understand that*if we allow* you to continue to

> sell your own zapper on this website. " It implies that you have a

> proprietary interest or control over the Dr list. As such, I feel

> that it is only fair that you identify yourself and any financial ties

> you may have with any type products or services.

>

> When someone asks for a safe zapper recommendation, I feel that it is

> perfectly proper for me to let them know that there is at least ONE

> zapper that they can test risk-free. I cannot speak for other makers,

> but WE stand behind our products 100%.

>

> I speak as the world's leading Hulda zapper expert. I do not

> pretend to this role. It is based on the fact that I invented the first

> Hulda automatic zapper after direct personal consultation with Dr.

> herself in 1995. After I began to sell the AutoZap Professional

> zapper, I adopted a policy of talking to everyone who called or emailed

> with questions, and learning all I could from the personal experiences

> of our tens of thousands of customers in over 65 countries. Recently I

> developed the only 5-minute zapper in the world, 12 times faster than

> any other, after over 4 years of testing. On March, 2008, our new

> FreeCoil technology SuperZappicator was successful in helping Dr.

> herself get rid of parasites in her left eye muscles in only 20 minutes.

> She told Lyn and me that she had been trying to get rid of them for 30

> years. We are now developing a solar-powered 5-minute zapper kit for

> the Third World that will zap up to 240 people in one hour.

>

> Ziggy, what Hulda products have you developed yourself? Did you do

> double blind studies on them before marketing?

>

> Furthermore, I talk and listen to thousands of people each year, because

> I care. I talk to them on my nickel whether or not they make a

> purchase. As far as I can discover, no one else who makes zappers has

> this same policy of being open to talk to inquirers or customers.

> Certainly nobody has done it as long as I have. And for 14 years I was

> privileged to be a friend of Hulda and her son Geoffrey. My last

> long visit with Dr. was just 6 weeks before her death. If you have

> any questions about my integrity or motivation, ask Geoff or

> Carmen Myers at New Century Press who I really am. Or you could ask Leo

> Regehr, Hulda's brother, who helps to moderate this list.

>

> I do not try to proselytize or market on the Dr list. I DO feel

> free to share the fruits of my experience as it seems appropriate in a

> particular context.

>

> In closing, I will remind you of Dr. 's response to a female MD in

> Toronto in 1996, I think. The doctor, who had breast cancer, asked Hulda

> why she had not done double blind studies, just as you asked me today.

> Her response? * " I do not believe that double blind studies are ethical

> if you have a life-saving treatment for a fatal condition. It is wrong

> to sacrifice the control subjects by denying them access to a safe

> treatment. " *

>

> We are the only zapper maker to offer a full 100% money-back guarantee

> on a zapper. *We guarantee that our AutoZap 5 super-fast zapper will

> help you (provided that you use it as directed), or we will refund 100%

> of the zapper price (less the cost of the consumable SuperStraps) for up

> to a full year*. No questions asked, no hard feelings.

>

> *Ziggy, if the drug manufacturers and doctors have such great stuff for

> us because it is all proven by " evidence-based " double blind, randomized

> crossover studies, why don't ANY of them EVER offer a money-back

> guarantee on their stuff?

>

> And when one of our friends or loved ones is harmed by their stuff, why

> don't they lift a finger to make it right or alleviate their suffering?

> *They can well afford to, with drug profit margins up to 500,000%, as

> reported by Consumer Reports.

> *

> Ever wonder that? Why do you think that is?

>

> *I await your reply.

>

> Arthur Doerksen*

>

> 888-533-7007

> www.BestZapper.com

>

> **P.S. Our lifetime Integrated Wellness System is a one-time, lifetime

> purchase for a whole family, at a cost that is less than 10% of a SINGLE

> DOSE OF CHEMO. *Completely safe for all ages. I think people on this

> list would like to know that, whether or not they ever decide to buy it

> or contact us.

>

> On 11/20/2010 8:44 PM, Ziggy wrote:

> >

> > Arthur,

> >

> > I would be very interested in seeing statistics from a double blind

> > study that have been performed by a third party on the health benefits

> > of your particular zapper.

> >

> > My apologies if you have already posted the results. If possible,

> > please let me know which post these are in, so I could review them.

> >

> > Certainly you must understand that if we allow you to continue to sell

> > your own zapper on this website without accessing evidence that it

> > works better than any other brand on the market, who's stopping other

> > zapper vendors (and there are many on the web claiming to be

> > associated with Dr ) or worse, Big Pharma reps, from also coming

> > on here and tooting their horns?

> >

> > You can see how confusing it is to folks who are focusing on healing

> > and believing they are on a safe forum, which they should be. At the

> > moment, your attempt to sell your OWN zapper product on a website

> > dedicated to people seeking the truth and sharing unbiased experiences

> > about Dr 's treatments strikes me as being borderline unethical

> > and biased.

> >

> > I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this. I notice the only

> > time you pop up is when someone asks a zapper question, and then it's

> > only to talk about your own product.

> >

> > Ziggy

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > I am taking this product 1 three times per day trying to get rid

> > of parasites. It has really increased my yeast. I was wondering if

> > anyone has used it and if you think it was strong enough to help?

> > > >

> > > > It only says 350mg on the back for wormwood, black walnut sweet

> > wormwood and cloves.

> > > >

> > > > I would like to also get a zapper, but like other people have

> > posted, I have already spent a lot on things that do not work and

> > don't want to go down that road again. Wish I knew of someone close by

> > that had one I could try, but that is not the case here.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I just checked the price of pfizer Xanax in the U.S.

Xanax 1mg-----120 pills costs $359.00 for all ($2.99 per pill). So it looks

like the markup is much more than 569,000% !!!!!

Maybe in European countries with socialized medicine the drugs are subsidized by

the government with tax dollars of course? I do not think the drug companies

sell them cheaper, they are probably heavily subsidized....

Letmar

>

> > Posted by: " Arthur Doerksen " arthur7@... ad71950

> > Date: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:07 pm ((PST))

> >

> > See http://www.rense.com/general54/preco.htm for one report that puts

> > tha top markup at 569,000%. One excerpt:

> >

> > Xanax 1 mg

> > Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79

> > Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024

> > Percent markup: 569,958%

>

> Nothing constructive on this discussion, but as an interesting contrast: I

> used to get xanax from the pharmacy here in the Netherlands for Euro 0.11

> per 0.5mg (Euro.0.22 per 1 mg). This is a LOT less than $1.37 per mg that

> is quoted above.

>

> Interesting!

>

> Ilana, who happily eliminated the need for xanax a year ago, yay!

>

[Guest guest]

Arthur,

I understand the whole idea that drug companies might overcharge. However, I

think you need to be more accurate in the way you arrive at the figure. The

price you quoted does not include costs like labor, distribution, overhead,

insurance, etc. Being a businessman, I know you need to include those coststo

arrive a t a price so the markup might be high but I doubt it is that high

because many costs are not included.

GB

> >

> > > Posted by: " Arthur Doerksen " arthur7@ ad71950

> > > Date: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:07 pm ((PST))

> > >

> > > See http://www.rense.com/general54/preco.htm for one report that puts

> > > tha top markup at 569,000%. One excerpt:

> > >

> > > Xanax 1 mg

> > > Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79

> > > Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024

> > > Percent markup: 569,958%

> >

> > Nothing constructive on this discussion, but as an interesting contrast: I

> > used to get xanax from the pharmacy here in the Netherlands for Euro 0.11

> > per 0.5mg (Euro.0.22 per 1 mg). This is a LOT less than $1.37 per mg that

> > is quoted above.

> >

> > Interesting!

> >

> > Ilana, who happily eliminated the need for xanax a year ago, yay!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Posted by: " greatyoga " greatyoga@... greatyoga

> Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 6:53 pm ((PST))

>

> Arthur,

>

> I understand the whole idea that drug companies might overcharge.

> However, I think you need to be more accurate in the way you arrive at

> the figure. The price you quoted does not include costs like labor,

> distribution, overhead, insurance, etc. Being a businessman, I know you

> need to include those coststo arrive a t a price so the markup might be

> high but I doubt it is that high because many costs are not included.

>

> GB

GB, you hit upon the exact beef I have with the entire medical 'system'

out there in the world. IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HANDS OF BUSINESSMEN!

The very fact that it is, is what's keeping us from making progress today.

What's keeping people like Dr. , and undoubtedly a great amount of

other good people doing good work, from making clean health and cure

options available to the large public. As soon as they do (see Dr.

and the quack watchers and lawsuits she had to deal with) Big Industry

strikes them down.

One of the reasons, IMHO, that Dr was as bold as she was in her

books, was that she already had had a carreer, and wasn't 35 when she

published her first Cure For All.. book. She was downright brave that she

did that, and if she hadn't published such herecy, we wouldn't be talking

to each other today. She was truly heroic.

Believe me, there's no doctor or Naturopath in the US that can get away

with what she did, if s/he isn't willing to sacrifice their whole carreer!

Or worse. To be (witch)hunted for suspicion of quackery might just have

greater and worse consequences than just losing your career.

So I rate the whole concept of health/medicine being 'a business' one of

the greatest evils of the current day. Followed closely by impossible

standards set by governments which require billions of dollars to do the

research and provide the proofs they find acceptable in order to launch

one single product to help people. That's why only Big Industry can bring

an approved product to the public, and that rules out anything anyone

smaller than that wants to do. Then critics have an easy day: " see: you're

not governemnt approved! You are a quack! " Meanwhile Big Industry has to

convince us that we are sick and force it down our throats in order to

make good on their investment. When you make the financial stakes that

high, you will get monsters flocking to the industry and trying to make

money over our corpses. It's NOT in their best interest to provide us with

a cure, it's in their best intrest to make us sick and have us stay sick

and needing their product every single day of our lives. Gold makes blind.

So that leaves us, the unhelped, uncured, half-sick, either choosing to

stay in their net for the rest of our lives, or we look elsewhere, for

empirically tested but not clinically proven non-chemical options, which

we can try out, at our own risk.

Then you tell me what's more sensible to complain about!

Ilana

>

> > >

> > > > Posted by: " Arthur Doerksen " arthur7@ ad71950

> > > > Date: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:07 pm ((PST))

> > > >

> > > > See http://www.rense.com/general54/preco.htm for one report that puts

> > > > tha top markup at 569,000%. One excerpt:

> > > >

> > > > Xanax 1 mg

> > > > Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79

> > > > Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024

> > > > Percent markup: 569,958%

> > >

> > > Nothing constructive on this discussion, but as an interesting contrast: I

> > > used to get xanax from the pharmacy here in the Netherlands for Euro 0.11

> > > per 0.5mg (Euro.0.22 per 1 mg). This is a LOT less than $1.37 per mg that

> > > is quoted above.

> > >

> > > Interesting!

> > >

> > > Ilana, who happily eliminated the need for xanax a year ago, yay!

> > >

> >

>