Re: e can you answer this? Anyone?

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Debe

You should already have copies of all your doctors & hospital reports.

This is easy to get as I am in the process of gathering ALL of mine for

the past 20 years. Some have a fee. must ot as much as they charge an

atty.

I have read about one lady on our group, can'te rmember her name,

Diane?- She was going to have her saline implant removed of 20+yrs; come

to find out they were silicone instead of saline. Hopefully you had an

MRI before your explant to confirm yours.

I would send the doctor & hospital a letter requesting they that send

you all copies, including pathology reports & hospital, anesth. reports;

In the letter mention if there is a fee to contact yo. OR if you live in

the same city, go to th hospital personally & they WILL give them to

you. I did this & there was no fee at the hospital.

If it wasn't for the support groups I would have never known to do this.

I learned so much by looking thru my records. I guess these doctors

thought I'd never see this stuff when they wrote it.

Pease let us know what happens.

Prayers,

[Guest guest]

Yes to answer your question you have every right to get a copy of your

surgery report, quite frankly I am totally amazed and sickened to think that

they can do things like this, it just blows me away everytime I hear another

horror story like this and makes me so so angry for the women who like you,

have been taken advantage of and lied to. Someday I hope the asshole that

did this to you goes to hell for it, and gets what is deserving of anyone

that would intentionally hide and destroy evidence like this, of what

implants can and do to women.

hugs

----- Original Message -----

From: " ldebe " <ldebe@...>

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Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:02 AM

Subject: e can you answer this? Anyone?

> Hi..

> After looking at the pictures of the removed implants and capsuals, I

> am now convienced that the one that was taken out of my body had to

> have been cleaned out or bleached out. The reason why I am saying

> this is because when I was explanted in 1994, I gave explicit

> instructions to my PS that I wanted the implants in my hand along with

> the capsuals. When I awoke from the operation, I asked where the

> implants and capsuals were, and was told it was taken away by courier

> to there own patholigist. I had a written letter from my attorney

> with the instructions that they would leave with me. When I contacted

> their patholigist they had told me the implant had been lost, and as

> soon as they found it, they would call me. That was 6 days later.

> When I picked up the implant to have it shipped to the Immuno Science

> Lab in Los Angles I was amazed when I looked at it, because the

> implant was so clean. It was disclored as far as the shell was

> concerned being more yellowish than when implanted in me. but other

> than that the implant looked the same as when implanted in my body in

> 1974. The Saline Solution in the implant was very clear. My belief is,

> is that the implant was lost on purpose because it was so full of

> bacteria and mold being it was saline and in my body for 21 years like

> all the pictures I have seen. Afterall I was diagnosed with M.S. and

> the capsular contracture was so dence and hard that a mamogram and

> sonogram pictures said they believed the implant was Silicone because

> it was so dence on the xray. What my question is on this issue is...

> Can I request my surgery report for that day? If that implant was

> black and cloudy like I have seen pictures of, would the report read

> this? I did get that implant to the Immuno Science Lab and it did show

> silicone calcification in the tissue of the capsual and small cracks

> or ruptures in the implant itself. But I would like to get the whole

> report of the explant surgery. Is this possible? It's been 7 years?

> would they even still have this report? I hope all that is reading

> this is doing okay and please know that I keep you all in my prayers

> for good health and happiness...

> God Bless to all of you

> Sincerely

> Debe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doctor's reports/records don't always amount to much because most of them are fucking liars anyway. They probably did bleach the implants--it would not surprise me.

-Marie

[Guest guest]

Debe,

You most certainly can request your op report from the day of the surgery.

It must be kept as part of your chart in the doc's office. However, some

places may only keep records for 7 yrs, while others keep them 10 yrs then

destroy them. My experience is that most places keep records for 10 yrs,

then destroy them.

I would submit a written request (as you will be required to do that

anyway)and tell them that you are requesting your entire med record (or just

what you want). If all you want is the op report, specifically request the

op report in its entirety. If you are still in the same town as the ps,

then I would show up at their office and tell them you want the op report.

Have your written request ready. There is a possibility that the chart may

be stored in a warehouse, so they don't have easy access to it. But it's

always good to try to get the material you want in person in conjunction

with your written request.

Also, if the ps says he doesn't have your records anymore, you might try the

surgery center you had the explant done at. They may still have your

records and may be able to provide it to you.

As for the capsule/implant looking " clean " I would have to wonder. When

stuff is sent to the path dept, the path dept usually puts the material in

formalin, which will effectively destroy any bacteria or other growth on or

in the implant. That is why Pierre Blais states that you need to take

possession of the implants as soon as you are waking up in the PACU

(recovery room). Plus the fact that you had a written draft of your wishes

which was signed by your attorney violates a document. If you provided a

copy of this document to your ps prior to surgery, then there is absolutely

NO reason you should not have been in possession of those implants when you

woke up. Anything that goes to pathology will ultimately have any bacterial

or fungal growth destroyed due to the formalin they are placed in.

My next question is did you ever question your ps as to why he sent the

implants to path instead of giving them to you directly? And did your

lawyer ever question this? Did you ever pursue this issue any further? I

would also ask if you can get your implanting data--i.e., brand, lot #, type

of implant used. This will identify whether they were silicone or saline.

If there is any question, you can call the company and ask them what type of

implant this (your) lot # is.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

e

>From: " ldebe " <ldebe@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: e can you answer this? Anyone?

>Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:02:43 -0000

>

>Hi..

>After looking at the pictures of the removed implants and capsuals, I

>am now convienced that the one that was taken out of my body had to

>have been cleaned out or bleached out. The reason why I am saying

>this is because when I was explanted in 1994, I gave explicit

>instructions to my PS that I wanted the implants in my hand along with

>the capsuals. When I awoke from the operation, I asked where the

>implants and capsuals were, and was told it was taken away by courier

>to there own patholigist. I had a written letter from my attorney

>with the instructions that they would leave with me. When I contacted

>their patholigist they had told me the implant had been lost, and as

>soon as they found it, they would call me. That was 6 days later.

>When I picked up the implant to have it shipped to the Immuno Science

>Lab in Los Angles I was amazed when I looked at it, because the

>implant was so clean. It was disclored as far as the shell was

>concerned being more yellowish than when implanted in me. but other

>than that the implant looked the same as when implanted in my body in

>1974. The Saline Solution in the implant was very clear. My belief is,

>is that the implant was lost on purpose because it was so full of

>bacteria and mold being it was saline and in my body for 21 years like

>all the pictures I have seen. Afterall I was diagnosed with M.S. and

>the capsular contracture was so dence and hard that a mamogram and

>sonogram pictures said they believed the implant was Silicone because

>it was so dence on the xray. What my question is on this issue is...

>Can I request my surgery report for that day? If that implant was

>black and cloudy like I have seen pictures of, would the report read

>this? I did get that implant to the Immuno Science Lab and it did show

>silicone calcification in the tissue of the capsual and small cracks

>or ruptures in the implant itself. But I would like to get the whole

>report of the explant surgery. Is this possible? It's been 7 years?

>would they even still have this report? I hope all that is reading

>this is doing okay and please know that I keep you all in my prayers

>for good health and happiness...

>God Bless to all of you

>Sincerely

>Debe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

I hear you! I feel very lucky when I meet a nice doctor! Most of them that I've had to deal with are buttholes.

Have a happy 4th!

LM

[Guest guest]

-Marie,

I agree 100% with you on your " doctors are all liars " comment.

One of my doctors once told me that they are taught to think the worse

of their patients, not the best. Especially when it comes to patients

complaining of pain & needing pain meds.

Most of them will not try very hard to find the cause of the pain and

just Rx pain meds. Then when the patient keeps complaining they still

have pain, they label them drug seekers.

Very few will go the extra mile to help us. And that includes women who

never even had BI.

I also heard that doctors least favorite patients are single women.

Perhaps that's because there's no husband & kids that they can treat

also. $$$