Re: Metabolift

[Guest guest]

I don't know--the word "ephedra" now scares me. . .and

I'm big on the "where there's smoke" saying.

Once I lost the 20-25 lbs I collected with implant-related

illness, I still carried an extra 10 lbs for nine years and thought

it was because of menopause. It fell off in four

months when I received what turned out to be

the correct thyroid hormone replacement. I am now

down to the same weight I have been all of my adult

life.

Do you have any thyroid difficulties? Have you

checked? There's a whole lot of controversey

re the correct levels of thyroid hormone in

that specialty right now--there's a whole lot of

controversey about a lot of things in that specialty

right now.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I remember that you posted some thyroid things now.

But I don't remember the details.

Well--how did you feel? Did you feel speedy? Did you have

any of the symptoms of hyperthyroidism? Part of the controversy has

many practioners relying on clinical status now rather than tests.

Broda (considered the thyroid pioneer) used to do

this also.

Did you quit taking thyroid hormone altogether? Or did

you just cut it back? Or did you switch to synthetic? There's

a lot of controversey about that also, re T3.

Were you just hyperthyroid or did you have some antibodies

to indicate you had an autoimmune hyperthyroidism?

A low T3 is often found with another chronic illness; but also,

low T3 is part of the big raging controversey re meds right now.

T3 is the active hormone and the one we seem to need for energy; a lack of it can also cause the brain to malfunction--

and this could very well be your situation. I have talked to

people who claim too much T3 from Armour, and I don't know

the specifics, but the body only extracts what it needs re T3--

the rest circulates until needed, so I'm a little unclear on that.

It may be of some interest to you that I was lacking

in the amount of T3 I needed and when I finally got it, the weight

fell off. I'd been complaining for years that I thought this was

the problem--and my doc didn't. Finally, he gave me Cytomel

(a synthetic T3) which corrected all the problems I had, but made

me real jumpy, no matter how little I took--I didn't feel right and I

am pretty convinced that's the key. We know how we are supposed

to feel--we live with ourselves 24 hrs a day.

The synthetics rely on T4 changing into T3 as needed; this happens

in the liver and brain. Armour gives one both T3 and T4 from the

get-go, and it also gives one T-1 and T-2 and calcitonin, which assists

in the regulation of calcium. Some do very well on synthetics but

my pharmacist thinks ALL do very well on Armour.

It is quite likely that in fact, your TSH was OK--another part of

the controversey is that the norms for TSH are set too high.

So your doc could have said yours was low, based on tests,

when in fact, for you the TSH was OK. I don't understand the

TSH testing just one time, anyway--it varies during the day.--

sometimes being nearly undetectable.

I don't know how anyone gets dxd as hyperthyroid with low T3!

Yes, you need a different doc. If you are into it, the Life Extension

Foundation has a directory of docs (both DOs and MDs) who are into

prevention, hormones and essentially natural products--check it

as you may find a doc like this in your own backyard. I did. They

don't advertise it. (www.lef.org)

I'll answer whatever I can if I didn't . .

Best wishes,

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't take anything to lose weight esp not ephedra, there is only one way to really loose weight and it is a simple thing, yet hard to stick to it, controlled eating and lots of aerobic exercise to get your heart rate up. To lose 10 pounds and KEEP IT OFF is and should be the goal, not just to try to get it off fast. I would not take these products as they are known to cause side effects, esp with your brain fog, why risk it?

Try eating light, but don't starve yourself. Grazing is supposed to be good, that is how I eat, lots of small meals throughout the day, you know how to eat good Patty, so the only thing you probably need to do more of is working out, girl don't you have that gym membership? Get down there and get moving, try the eliptical machine those are awesome, try to aim for 4 times a week 45 minutes of high intensity cardio , not just walking but really getting that heart rate up is what is going to burn that fat off. Remember too that if you work out in the am (you can have a light snack) but that your body will dip into those fat stores more readily than if you have a big meal in your system.

If you cannot get there first thing in the am, later on is good too, just try to wait 2 hours or more after eating.

Try not to skip meals, eat small meals, chew slowly, enjoy the food the longer it takes to eat the faster your stomach gets the message it is full. Drink tons of fresh clean water too.

YOu have that pool too girl, what a lucky lady you are, wish I had my own pool, use it, go out and buy some water weights, some noodles, do laps and then do some kick butt aerobic stuff, the water is great to work out in.

If you aim for the 4x a week 45 minute sessions of cardio(incuding 5 min warm up and cool down) then 2 one hour weight sessions per week, or 3 at 40 minutes if that is easier, plus do abdominals and stretching 5 days or 6 days a week for 10-15 minutes, and eat light and small healthy meals, you should be able to lose 10 pounds in 60 days-75 days and permantently keep it off.

To keep it off just continue to exercise regimen I said above, plus eat treats occassionally, mostly do your bad eating on weekends, that is what I do and I have maintained this weight for over 4 years.

I eat cake, ice-cream, big dinner if we go out to eat, etc, on weekends usually like if we go to dinner, if we go to a picnic etc.

Remember it takes a Plus or minus of 3500 calories to lose or gain a pound, so if you are working it hard you should be able to eat what you want esp on weekends and maintain.

To lose though you have to sacifice some calories, aim for 1500 calories per day unless you are working out allot, then calculate the difference and try to aim for no more than 1800 a day in the loss cycle.

Once you have lost it you can eat more, I usually eat 2,000 cal a day diet while training.

Also there is one supplement that is proven safe and effective to help you burn more fat, not too lose wieght, I have taken it before and had no bad effects, but I cannot swear it works my hubby says there is research that it works, it is called tonalin. Check it out, it is very safe.

Hope this helps, hugs

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:49 AM

Subject: Metabolift

Has anyone tried Metabolift, (by Twinlabs)?

I have about 10 lbs that won't budge and I am thinking of taking this to see if it will help get rid of those extra pounds.

It has MaHuang, or ephedra, in it and there might be some question as to its safety. However, I had one implant lady suggest it a few years back, as she said it helped her brain fog. I wasn't interested in taking it then, but I didn't have an extra 10 lbs then, either.

Comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Patty

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I appreciate your advice. All this makes alot of sense, but I have increased my exercising and have not seen one pound budge! In fact, I gained one pound. This is with light meals, walking in 110 degree heat 2-5 miles a day and sweating like a pig, doing pushups, swimming laps in my pool, and whatever else I can do during the day to make sure I am not going to gain weight.

I know the walking is increasing my heart rate--the 2 mile jaunt takes me 40 minutes, the 5 mile jaunt takes me almost 2 hours, and by the time I get home I am half dead, my heart is pounding, my head is throbbing, and my clothes are soaked. I would think I would lose at least one pound for my efforts, since I am not eating much either, so it bums me out knowing I actually gained a pound instead.

I will keep up the exercise, I know that is the key to my health, for sure, no doubt about that. I want to lose 10 lbs by October, so if I haven't seen anything much happen by September, I am going to have to consider some kind of herbal weight loss aide. I looked at the other product--it is a conjugated linoleic acid and I know that upping your essential fatty acids is supposed to help you burn fat better. I do take EFA's already, so I am not sure this will help, but I can give it a try.

Thanks again, . I know this will take time. I NEVER had a weight loss issue before, never in my life! So this 10 lbs is driving me crazy!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

I wouldn't take anything to lose weight esp not ephedra, there is only one way to really loose weight and it is a simple thing, yet hard to stick to it, controlled eating and lots of aerobic exercise to get your heart rate up. To lose 10 pounds and KEEP IT OFF is and should be the goal, not just to try to get it off fast. I would not take these products as they are known to cause side effects, esp with your brain fog, why risk it?

Try eating light, but don't starve yourself. Grazing is supposed to be good, that is how I eat, lots of small meals throughout the day, you know how to eat good Patty, so the only thing you probably need to do more of is working out, girl don't you have that gym membership? Get down there and get moving, try the eliptical machine those are awesome, try to aim for 4 times a week 45 minutes of high intensity cardio , not just walking but really getting that heart rate up is what is going to burn that fat off. Remember too that if you work out in the am (you can have a light snack) but that your body will dip into those fat stores more readily than if you have a big meal in your system.

If you cannot get there first thing in the am, later on is good too, just try to wait 2 hours or more after eating.

Try not to skip meals, eat small meals, chew slowly, enjoy the food the longer it takes to eat the faster your stomach gets the message it is full. Drink tons of fresh clean water too.

YOu have that pool too girl, what a lucky lady you are, wish I had my own pool, use it, go out and buy some water weights, some noodles, do laps and then do some kick butt aerobic stuff, the water is great to work out in.

If you aim for the 4x a week 45 minute sessions of cardio(incuding 5 min warm up and cool down) then 2 one hour weight sessions per week, or 3 at 40 minutes if that is easier, plus do abdominals and stretching 5 days or 6 days a week for 10-15 minutes, and eat light and small healthy meals, you should be able to lose 10 pounds in 60 days-75 days and permantently keep it off.

To keep it off just continue to exercise regimen I said above, plus eat treats occassionally, mostly do your bad eating on weekends, that is what I do and I have maintained this weight for over 4 years.

I eat cake, ice-cream, big dinner if we go out to eat, etc, on weekends usually like if we go to dinner, if we go to a picnic etc.

Remember it takes a Plus or minus of 3500 calories to lose or gain a pound, so if you are working it hard you should be able to eat what you want esp on weekends and maintain.

To lose though you have to sacifice some calories, aim for 1500 calories per day unless you are working out allot, then calculate the difference and try to aim for no more than 1800 a day in the loss cycle.

Once you have lost it you can eat more, I usually eat 2,000 cal a day diet while training.

Also there is one supplement that is proven safe and effective to help you burn more fat, not too lose wieght, I have taken it before and had no bad effects, but I cannot swear it works my hubby says there is research that it works, it is called tonalin. Check it out, it is very safe.

Hope this helps, hugs

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:49 AM

Subject: Metabolift

Has anyone tried Metabolift, (by Twinlabs)?

I have about 10 lbs that won't budge and I am thinking of taking this to see if it will help get rid of those extra pounds.

It has MaHuang, or ephedra, in it and there might be some question as to its safety. However, I had one implant lady suggest it a few years back, as she said it helped her brain fog. I wasn't interested in taking it then, but I didn't have an extra 10 lbs then, either.

Comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Patty

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

As a matter of fact, I just wrote the group not too long ago about my thyroid problems and depression....yes I was tested and found to be hyperthyroid, as a result of taking too much Armour thyroid. Actually low TSH and low T3. My question is if I was taking too much thyroid, why didn't I experience weight loss? I've since quit the Armour altogether, but I should have more tests to see what is really going on. I just have to find a good doctor who can read the lab work right!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Bos@...

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

I don't know--the word "ephedra" now scares me. . .and I'm big on the "where there's smoke" saying. Once I lost the 20-25 lbs I collected with implant-related illness, I still carried an extra 10 lbs for nine years and thought it was because of menopause. It fell off in four months when I received what turned out to be the correct thyroid hormone replacement. I am now down to the same weight I have been all of my adult life. Do you have any thyroid difficulties? Have you checked? There's a whole lot of controversey re the correct levels of thyroid hormone in that specialty right now--there's a whole lot of controversey about a lot of things in that specialty right now. Bonnie

[Guest guest]

You are welcome. . .betting you are just a little

hypothyroid--just the opposite. This alone could

clear your head. ..

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I remember that you posted some thyroid things now. But I don't remember the details. Well--how did you feel?

I didn't feel much different than any other time, but the brain fog was worse around then....

Did you feel speedy? Nope, ha I wish!

Did you have any of the symptoms of hyperthyroidism? No, that is why I found the lab results suprising.

Part of the controversy has many practioners relying on clinical status now rather than tests. Broda (considered the thyroid pioneer) used to do this also. Did you quit taking thyroid hormone altogether?

Yes. But I took one grain today. (1 tablet)

Or did you just cut it back? Or did you switch to synthetic?

Guess I don't really want to take synthetics. I heard some things about the pharmaceutical company that makes Synthroid that I found deceitful, and I hate drug companies anyway, I much prefer natural therapies.

There's a lot of controversey about that also, re T3. Were you just hyperthyroid or did you have some antibodies to indicate you had an autoimmune hyperthyroidism?

That needs to be tested yet. I had low TSH, suggesting hyperthyroidism as stated on the lab papers, but at the same time low T3. I couldn't figure out why the doctor suggested UPPING my thyroid intake, if the labs showed hyperthyroidism? Maybe I should only be upping the T3?A low T3 is often found with another chronic illness; but also, low T3 is part of the big raging controversey re meds right now. T3 is the active hormone and the one we seem to need for energy; a lack of it can also cause the brain to malfunction-- and this could very well be your situation. I have talked to people who claim too much T3 from Armour, and I don't know the specifics, but the body only extracts what it needs re T3-- the rest circulates until needed, so I'm a little unclear on that. It may be of some interest to you that I was lacking in the amount of T3 I needed and when I finally got it, the weight fell off. I'd been complaining for years that I thought this was the problem--and my doc didn't. Finally, he gave me Cytomel (a synthetic T3) which corrected all the problems I had, but made me real jumpy, no matter how little I took--I didn't feel right and I am pretty convinced that's the key. We know how we are supposed to feel--we live with ourselves 24 hrs a day. The synthetics rely on T4 changing into T3 as needed; this happens in the liver and brain. Armour gives one both T3 and T4 from the get-go, and it also gives one T-1 and T-2 and calcitonin, which assists in the regulation of calcium. Some do very well on synthetics but my pharmacist thinks ALL do very well on Armour. It is quite likely that in fact, your TSH was OK--another part of the controversey is that the norms for TSH are set too high. So your doc could have said yours was low, based on tests, when in fact, for you the TSH was OK. I don't understand the TSH testing just one time, anyway--it varies during the day.-- sometimes being nearly undetectable. I don't know how anyone gets dxd as hyperthyroid with low T3! Yes, you need a different doc. If you are into it, the Life Extension Foundation has a directory of docs (both DOs and MDs) who are into prevention, hormones and essentially natural products--check it as you may find a doc like this in your own backyard. I did. They don't advertise it. (www.lef.org) Thanks Bonnie, I am familiar with LEF, have ordered stuff from them. I'll check out their docs for one here in Vegas.

I'll answer whatever I can if I didn't . . Best wishes, Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I tend to agree that I could more than likely be hypothyroid.. Most women ill from implants get that diagnosis, rather than the hyperthyroid. Clearly the Armour thyroid was showing in the lab results, though.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Bos@...

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:40 PM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

You are welcome. . .betting you are just a little hypothyroid--just the opposite. This alone could clear your head. .. Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I hate to say this but walking in 110 degrees is not that healthy of a thing to do, and despite how tired it may make you feel you probably aren't getting as much of kick ass workout doing this as you would doing the elliptical machine at the gym, those machines in a cool environment will work you allot harder and you will see way better results in the gym then you will just walking around. Also remember that you are 40 now and that it just gets harder as we age to lose weight, that pound or whatever that you gained is probably just water weight. I would not stress on it, I have found my weight can fluctuate between 3-5 pounds and it is usually just water weight. I let myself be in a range between 120-125 and don't stress about it anywhere in there too much only if I go over 125 then I stress, but that usually don't happen.

You need to remember that to loose weight you cannot starve yourself, that is very important. If you really want to lose it faster, I would suggest doing the Atkins or the zone diet for a short time, but since you are not a meat eater it would be a hard undertaking. Trust me this diet works for the most stubborn weight loss. If you really want to lose it fast try a strict protein diet for a month or so. But again this is not the best diet health wise to do, it cannot hurt you for a short time, but it is tough, I lost 7 pounds fast on it, so it works, but I gained back part of it, my problem is I cannot get under 120 or if I do I cannot stay there, and it does not seem to make a difference in how I look anyhow so it just isn't worth it.

I know it is frustrating but you have got to do aerobic activity that keeps your heart rate up and does not come down for at least 30-45 minutes, I do an hour of cardio workout almost 6 days a week, so I work hard to stay this size, hard hard hard. I would suggest that you try something other than walking esp. in that heat, that isn't good for you and sweating doesn't necessarily mean you are getting a good workout.

I seriously suggest you go to the gym. When I started working out in a gym is when I saw the biggest improvement in my appearance and weight.

Trust me, it works !

Walking outside is good too, on top of the gym workouts!

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:57 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

Thanks ,

I appreciate your advice. All this makes alot of sense, but I have increased my exercising and have not seen one pound budge! In fact, I gained one pound. This is with light meals, walking in 110 degree heat 2-5 miles a day and sweating like a pig, doing pushups, swimming laps in my pool, and whatever else I can do during the day to make sure I am not going to gain weight.

I know the walking is increasing my heart rate--the 2 mile jaunt takes me 40 minutes, the 5 mile jaunt takes me almost 2 hours, and by the time I get home I am half dead, my heart is pounding, my head is throbbing, and my clothes are soaked. I would think I would lose at least one pound for my efforts, since I am not eating much either, so it bums me out knowing I actually gained a pound instead.

I will keep up the exercise, I know that is the key to my health, for sure, no doubt about that. I want to lose 10 lbs by October, so if I haven't seen anything much happen by September, I am going to have to consider some kind of herbal weight loss aide. I looked at the other product--it is a conjugated linoleic acid and I know that upping your essential fatty acids is supposed to help you burn fat better. I do take EFA's already, so I am not sure this will help, but I can give it a try.

Thanks again, . I know this will take time. I NEVER had a weight loss issue before, never in my life! So this 10 lbs is driving me crazy!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

I wouldn't take anything to lose weight esp not ephedra, there is only one way to really loose weight and it is a simple thing, yet hard to stick to it, controlled eating and lots of aerobic exercise to get your heart rate up. To lose 10 pounds and KEEP IT OFF is and should be the goal, not just to try to get it off fast. I would not take these products as they are known to cause side effects, esp with your brain fog, why risk it?

Try eating light, but don't starve yourself. Grazing is supposed to be good, that is how I eat, lots of small meals throughout the day, you know how to eat good Patty, so the only thing you probably need to do more of is working out, girl don't you have that gym membership? Get down there and get moving, try the eliptical machine those are awesome, try to aim for 4 times a week 45 minutes of high intensity cardio , not just walking but really getting that heart rate up is what is going to burn that fat off. Remember too that if you work out in the am (you can have a light snack) but that your body will dip into those fat stores more readily than if you have a big meal in your system.

If you cannot get there first thing in the am, later on is good too, just try to wait 2 hours or more after eating.

Try not to skip meals, eat small meals, chew slowly, enjoy the food the longer it takes to eat the faster your stomach gets the message it is full. Drink tons of fresh clean water too.

YOu have that pool too girl, what a lucky lady you are, wish I had my own pool, use it, go out and buy some water weights, some noodles, do laps and then do some kick butt aerobic stuff, the water is great to work out in.

If you aim for the 4x a week 45 minute sessions of cardio(incuding 5 min warm up and cool down) then 2 one hour weight sessions per week, or 3 at 40 minutes if that is easier, plus do abdominals and stretching 5 days or 6 days a week for 10-15 minutes, and eat light and small healthy meals, you should be able to lose 10 pounds in 60 days-75 days and permantently keep it off.

To keep it off just continue to exercise regimen I said above, plus eat treats occassionally, mostly do your bad eating on weekends, that is what I do and I have maintained this weight for over 4 years.

I eat cake, ice-cream, big dinner if we go out to eat, etc, on weekends usually like if we go to dinner, if we go to a picnic etc.

Remember it takes a Plus or minus of 3500 calories to lose or gain a pound, so if you are working it hard you should be able to eat what you want esp on weekends and maintain.

To lose though you have to sacifice some calories, aim for 1500 calories per day unless you are working out allot, then calculate the difference and try to aim for no more than 1800 a day in the loss cycle.

Once you have lost it you can eat more, I usually eat 2,000 cal a day diet while training.

Also there is one supplement that is proven safe and effective to help you burn more fat, not too lose wieght, I have taken it before and had no bad effects, but I cannot swear it works my hubby says there is research that it works, it is called tonalin. Check it out, it is very safe.

Hope this helps, hugs

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:49 AM

Subject: Metabolift

Has anyone tried Metabolift, (by Twinlabs)?

I have about 10 lbs that won't budge and I am thinking of taking this to see if it will help get rid of those extra pounds.

It has MaHuang, or ephedra, in it and there might be some question as to its safety. However, I had one implant lady suggest it a few years back, as she said it helped her brain fog. I wasn't interested in taking it then, but I didn't have an extra 10 lbs then, either.

Comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Patty

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I appreciate all your advise. I am doing much better since I started the walking outside actually! It is just that I have not lost any weight, and that is what is bumming me out.

In terms of my energy and feeling good, it has definitely made a difference. I actually look forward to my walks outside daily. One thing I noted--the heat does not bother me, the outside heat does not give me the brain fog like my infrared sauna does. I don't know why it is different, but I do know that something is, because when I use the sauna, my head begins to feel really weird, like something is going on that is not right. I don't get that when I walk in the heat. My head throbs, but that is probably more from the exertion (it is not flat--it is downhill for 2.5 miles, and then uphill for the 2.5 miles back.) than anything else.

So, don't worry about me--I know the basics when it comes to moderation and healthy eating, and the importance of the exercise. I just wish I was seeing some of the weight moving, that is all.

I'll write you privately, okay!

Love,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:13 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

Patty,

I hate to say this but walking in 110 degrees is not that healthy of a thing to do, and despite how tired it may make you feel you probably aren't getting as much of kick ass workout doing this as you would doing the elliptical machine at the gym, those machines in a cool environment will work you allot harder and you will see way better results in the gym then you will just walking around. Also remember that you are 40 now and that it just gets harder as we age to lose weight, that pound or whatever that you gained is probably just water weight. I would not stress on it, I have found my weight can fluctuate between 3-5 pounds and it is usually just water weight. I let myself be in a range between 120-125 and don't stress about it anywhere in there too much only if I go over 125 then I stress, but that usually don't happen.

You need to remember that to loose weight you cannot starve yourself, that is very important. If you really want to lose it faster, I would suggest doing the Atkins or the zone diet for a short time, but since you are not a meat eater it would be a hard undertaking. Trust me this diet works for the most stubborn weight loss. If you really want to lose it fast try a strict protein diet for a month or so. But again this is not the best diet health wise to do, it cannot hurt you for a short time, but it is tough, I lost 7 pounds fast on it, so it works, but I gained back part of it, my problem is I cannot get under 120 or if I do I cannot stay there, and it does not seem to make a difference in how I look anyhow so it just isn't worth it.

I know it is frustrating but you have got to do aerobic activity that keeps your heart rate up and does not come down for at least 30-45 minutes, I do an hour of cardio workout almost 6 days a week, so I work hard to stay this size, hard hard hard. I would suggest that you try something other than walking esp. in that heat, that isn't good for you and sweating doesn't necessarily mean you are getting a good workout.

I seriously suggest you go to the gym. When I started working out in a gym is when I saw the biggest improvement in my appearance and weight.

Trust me, it works !

Walking outside is good too, on top of the gym workouts!

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:57 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

Thanks ,

I appreciate your advice. All this makes alot of sense, but I have increased my exercising and have not seen one pound budge! In fact, I gained one pound. This is with light meals, walking in 110 degree heat 2-5 miles a day and sweating like a pig, doing pushups, swimming laps in my pool, and whatever else I can do during the day to make sure I am not going to gain weight.

I know the walking is increasing my heart rate--the 2 mile jaunt takes me 40 minutes, the 5 mile jaunt takes me almost 2 hours, and by the time I get home I am half dead, my heart is pounding, my head is throbbing, and my clothes are soaked. I would think I would lose at least one pound for my efforts, since I am not eating much either, so it bums me out knowing I actually gained a pound instead.

I will keep up the exercise, I know that is the key to my health, for sure, no doubt about that. I want to lose 10 lbs by October, so if I haven't seen anything much happen by September, I am going to have to consider some kind of herbal weight loss aide. I looked at the other product--it is a conjugated linoleic acid and I know that upping your essential fatty acids is supposed to help you burn fat better. I do take EFA's already, so I am not sure this will help, but I can give it a try.

Thanks again, . I know this will take time. I NEVER had a weight loss issue before, never in my life! So this 10 lbs is driving me crazy!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

I wouldn't take anything to lose weight esp not ephedra, there is only one way to really loose weight and it is a simple thing, yet hard to stick to it, controlled eating and lots of aerobic exercise to get your heart rate up. To lose 10 pounds and KEEP IT OFF is and should be the goal, not just to try to get it off fast. I would not take these products as they are known to cause side effects, esp with your brain fog, why risk it?

Try eating light, but don't starve yourself. Grazing is supposed to be good, that is how I eat, lots of small meals throughout the day, you know how to eat good Patty, so the only thing you probably need to do more of is working out, girl don't you have that gym membership? Get down there and get moving, try the eliptical machine those are awesome, try to aim for 4 times a week 45 minutes of high intensity cardio , not just walking but really getting that heart rate up is what is going to burn that fat off. Remember too that if you work out in the am (you can have a light snack) but that your body will dip into those fat stores more readily than if you have a big meal in your system.

If you cannot get there first thing in the am, later on is good too, just try to wait 2 hours or more after eating.

Try not to skip meals, eat small meals, chew slowly, enjoy the food the longer it takes to eat the faster your stomach gets the message it is full. Drink tons of fresh clean water too.

YOu have that pool too girl, what a lucky lady you are, wish I had my own pool, use it, go out and buy some water weights, some noodles, do laps and then do some kick butt aerobic stuff, the water is great to work out in.

If you aim for the 4x a week 45 minute sessions of cardio(incuding 5 min warm up and cool down) then 2 one hour weight sessions per week, or 3 at 40 minutes if that is easier, plus do abdominals and stretching 5 days or 6 days a week for 10-15 minutes, and eat light and small healthy meals, you should be able to lose 10 pounds in 60 days-75 days and permantently keep it off.

To keep it off just continue to exercise regimen I said above, plus eat treats occassionally, mostly do your bad eating on weekends, that is what I do and I have maintained this weight for over 4 years.

I eat cake, ice-cream, big dinner if we go out to eat, etc, on weekends usually like if we go to dinner, if we go to a picnic etc.

Remember it takes a Plus or minus of 3500 calories to lose or gain a pound, so if you are working it hard you should be able to eat what you want esp on weekends and maintain.

To lose though you have to sacifice some calories, aim for 1500 calories per day unless you are working out allot, then calculate the difference and try to aim for no more than 1800 a day in the loss cycle.

Once you have lost it you can eat more, I usually eat 2,000 cal a day diet while training.

Also there is one supplement that is proven safe and effective to help you burn more fat, not too lose wieght, I have taken it before and had no bad effects, but I cannot swear it works my hubby says there is research that it works, it is called tonalin. Check it out, it is very safe.

Hope this helps, hugs

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:49 AM

Subject: Metabolift

Has anyone tried Metabolift, (by Twinlabs)?

I have about 10 lbs that won't budge and I am thinking of taking this to see if it will help get rid of those extra pounds.

It has MaHuang, or ephedra, in it and there might be some question as to its safety. However, I had one implant lady suggest it a few years back, as she said it helped her brain fog. I wasn't interested in taking it then, but I didn't have an extra 10 lbs then, either.

Comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Patty

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention one more thing--I am feeling much better, too since I quit all the supplements I was taking. There is something going on with the supplements--I don't know what, or which ones are the problem, but I am definitely reacting to something. This has happened several times now over the past few years. I will start taking a bunch of vitamins because theoreticallly, I should be needing them to support my healing. But I will begin to feel really, really crappy, and I keep on taking the supplements, thinking they are going to help. Finally I get so sick of the pills that I stop, and begin to feel better. I have taken a hiatus of my supplements for 6 months or more at a time, and felt really great, with the brain fog lessening over time. Then I will think, Oh, I should take this supplement or that one again, and then I'll start my round of pills again, and end up feeling crappy. It is a merry go round that I don't like, but I couldn't tell you which ones are doing it to me.

That will take some investigation on my part....but for now I am cutting them back to just a few that I know I need. Like acidophilus, Vit C, Evening Primrose Oil and milk thistle.

Thanks ,

Love,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:13 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

Patty,

I hate to say this but walking in 110 degrees is not that healthy of a thing to do, and despite how tired it may make you feel you probably aren't getting as much of kick ass workout doing this as you would doing the elliptical machine at the gym, those machines in a cool environment will work you allot harder and you will see way better results in the gym then you will just walking around. Also remember that you are 40 now and that it just gets harder as we age to lose weight, that pound or whatever that you gained is probably just water weight. I would not stress on it, I have found my weight can fluctuate between 3-5 pounds and it is usually just water weight. I let myself be in a range between 120-125 and don't stress about it anywhere in there too much only if I go over 125 then I stress, but that usually don't happen.

You need to remember that to loose weight you cannot starve yourself, that is very important. If you really want to lose it faster, I would suggest doing the Atkins or the zone diet for a short time, but since you are not a meat eater it would be a hard undertaking. Trust me this diet works for the most stubborn weight loss. If you really want to lose it fast try a strict protein diet for a month or so. But again this is not the best diet health wise to do, it cannot hurt you for a short time, but it is tough, I lost 7 pounds fast on it, so it works, but I gained back part of it, my problem is I cannot get under 120 or if I do I cannot stay there, and it does not seem to make a difference in how I look anyhow so it just isn't worth it.

I know it is frustrating but you have got to do aerobic activity that keeps your heart rate up and does not come down for at least 30-45 minutes, I do an hour of cardio workout almost 6 days a week, so I work hard to stay this size, hard hard hard. I would suggest that you try something other than walking esp. in that heat, that isn't good for you and sweating doesn't necessarily mean you are getting a good workout.

I seriously suggest you go to the gym. When I started working out in a gym is when I saw the biggest improvement in my appearance and weight.

Trust me, it works !

Walking outside is good too, on top of the gym workouts!

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:57 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

Thanks ,

I appreciate your advice. All this makes alot of sense, but I have increased my exercising and have not seen one pound budge! In fact, I gained one pound. This is with light meals, walking in 110 degree heat 2-5 miles a day and sweating like a pig, doing pushups, swimming laps in my pool, and whatever else I can do during the day to make sure I am not going to gain weight.

I know the walking is increasing my heart rate--the 2 mile jaunt takes me 40 minutes, the 5 mile jaunt takes me almost 2 hours, and by the time I get home I am half dead, my heart is pounding, my head is throbbing, and my clothes are soaked. I would think I would lose at least one pound for my efforts, since I am not eating much either, so it bums me out knowing I actually gained a pound instead.

I will keep up the exercise, I know that is the key to my health, for sure, no doubt about that. I want to lose 10 lbs by October, so if I haven't seen anything much happen by September, I am going to have to consider some kind of herbal weight loss aide. I looked at the other product--it is a conjugated linoleic acid and I know that upping your essential fatty acids is supposed to help you burn fat better. I do take EFA's already, so I am not sure this will help, but I can give it a try.

Thanks again, . I know this will take time. I NEVER had a weight loss issue before, never in my life! So this 10 lbs is driving me crazy!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: Metabolift

I wouldn't take anything to lose weight esp not ephedra, there is only one way to really loose weight and it is a simple thing, yet hard to stick to it, controlled eating and lots of aerobic exercise to get your heart rate up. To lose 10 pounds and KEEP IT OFF is and should be the goal, not just to try to get it off fast. I would not take these products as they are known to cause side effects, esp with your brain fog, why risk it?

Try eating light, but don't starve yourself. Grazing is supposed to be good, that is how I eat, lots of small meals throughout the day, you know how to eat good Patty, so the only thing you probably need to do more of is working out, girl don't you have that gym membership? Get down there and get moving, try the eliptical machine those are awesome, try to aim for 4 times a week 45 minutes of high intensity cardio , not just walking but really getting that heart rate up is what is going to burn that fat off. Remember too that if you work out in the am (you can have a light snack) but that your body will dip into those fat stores more readily than if you have a big meal in your system.

If you cannot get there first thing in the am, later on is good too, just try to wait 2 hours or more after eating.

Try not to skip meals, eat small meals, chew slowly, enjoy the food the longer it takes to eat the faster your stomach gets the message it is full. Drink tons of fresh clean water too.

YOu have that pool too girl, what a lucky lady you are, wish I had my own pool, use it, go out and buy some water weights, some noodles, do laps and then do some kick butt aerobic stuff, the water is great to work out in.

If you aim for the 4x a week 45 minute sessions of cardio(incuding 5 min warm up and cool down) then 2 one hour weight sessions per week, or 3 at 40 minutes if that is easier, plus do abdominals and stretching 5 days or 6 days a week for 10-15 minutes, and eat light and small healthy meals, you should be able to lose 10 pounds in 60 days-75 days and permantently keep it off.

To keep it off just continue to exercise regimen I said above, plus eat treats occassionally, mostly do your bad eating on weekends, that is what I do and I have maintained this weight for over 4 years.

I eat cake, ice-cream, big dinner if we go out to eat, etc, on weekends usually like if we go to dinner, if we go to a picnic etc.

Remember it takes a Plus or minus of 3500 calories to lose or gain a pound, so if you are working it hard you should be able to eat what you want esp on weekends and maintain.

To lose though you have to sacifice some calories, aim for 1500 calories per day unless you are working out allot, then calculate the difference and try to aim for no more than 1800 a day in the loss cycle.

Once you have lost it you can eat more, I usually eat 2,000 cal a day diet while training.

Also there is one supplement that is proven safe and effective to help you burn more fat, not too lose wieght, I have taken it before and had no bad effects, but I cannot swear it works my hubby says there is research that it works, it is called tonalin. Check it out, it is very safe.

Hope this helps, hugs

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:49 AM

Subject: Metabolift

Has anyone tried Metabolift, (by Twinlabs)?

I have about 10 lbs that won't budge and I am thinking of taking this to see if it will help get rid of those extra pounds.

It has MaHuang, or ephedra, in it and there might be some question as to its safety. However, I had one implant lady suggest it a few years back, as she said it helped her brain fog. I wasn't interested in taking it then, but I didn't have an extra 10 lbs then, either.

Comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Patty