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I have always had normal thyroid values, but as Bonnie or someone brought up, what's normal for that person? While I've been in the normal range, I've always been on the low end of normal. I was initially started on Cytomel back in 1998, which helped a little, it seemed, but we were also using it to augment my antidepressant. Then, when I was in Seattle last yr, I was started on Synthroid, which did absolutely nothing for my symptoms, so I stopped. Now, I'm taking Armour thyroid, and God, it gives me the energy I used to have before I got sick. I grew up in the NYC/NJ area, and have always walked and talked fast, and basically done everything fast. Then I got sick, lost my energy and stamina, gained weight, and well, the rest is hx. I haven't had a thyroid test done in a yr, but I just called my PCP last Tues and left a msg that I needed some thyroid medication, and I wanted Armour thyroid. Sure enough, she called it in w/ prn (as needed) refills for a yr. So, I started it on Wed, and WOW!! It's like speed to me! I'm back to myself----doing everything fast, and I actually have energy. It's great. Now, hopefully, I can continue to lose weight. I've lost so much since winter, and if I can only lost 20 more pds, I'd be happy, and back down to a size 6. e

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Plain and simple-- I don't know. I have talked to so many about their thyroid (both with and without BIs) and it seems that each found something different that works

the best for him/her--some synthetic and some natural.

Synthroid does seem to present more of a problem than

most things I've heard of--and it is assumed by some

researchers and docs that there is not a proper conversion

of the T4 to T3, generally because of something else in

that particular person's body; also, that some of us need

more T3 than others. As the active ingredients are the

same for Synthroid and Levoxyl, but Levoxyl seems to

do better for some, I have to supposed it's in the inactive

ingredients and they are different.

I've never heard of Cytomel not working. . .but I've heard of it

not being physically acceptable. . . for instance, I'm totally without

a thyroid gland, so I can tell the nuances of each med--Cytomel

(with Levoxyl) was totally unacceptable in terms of how I felt. . .

but it did handle problems I had from lack of T3.

The thing I like about Armour is that it contains everything. . T1, T2

(we don't know what they do, but it must be something LOL)

T3, T4, calcitonin and selenium. As I said before, my pharmacist said he has never had a complaint about Armour (the comment leads me to believe he has heard them about synthetics.)

That 10 lbs will be off before you know it. . .

Bonnie

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Bonnie, That is so interesting that you mentioned the diuretic effect with Armour, because I noticed immediately that I was peeing almost double what I usually do. I NEVER pee when I'm at work, because I have this fear and absolute disgust of public restrooms, so it's almost like my body just shuts off. Then, once I'm home, I pee for 10" it seems! But since I started the Armour, I am going 2-3x at work, and was wondering where that was coming from. It doesn't mention anything in my drug books that Armour can cause diuresis! Very interesting. So, tell me more about the differences in Armour vs Synthroid and Cytomel. You are so knowledgeable about the whole thryroid issue. I'm curious to know why Synthroid did absolutely nothing (and perhaps even worsened my symptoms) and Cytomel had little, if any, effect. What is the difference? e ----- Original Message ----- From: Bos@... Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Thyroid e-- Sounds as if you may have some problems converting T3--glad the Armour does it for you--I'm taking an Armour generic now and it works just great too--I recognize the energy level. There seems to be a diuretic effect with Armour--anyone with whom I've spoken has intially dropped about 10 lbs pretty quickly which would indicate water weight. I think it's safe to say you can probably count on that-- you'll have to work at those last ten though. I finally got back to a 6 after 12 years. Bonnie

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One would have to have put on the water-weight in order

to take it off--this doesn't happen to everyone. . .which is

probably why a lot of docs say one doesn't gain with

hypothyroidism. My endo actually said in his deposition

that one doesn't gain with hypothyroidism!

A lot of them think one doesn't gain with synthetics--and maybe

one doesn't, but if the synthetic isn't doing the job (the body isn't

converting the T4 to enough T3) . . .one is in fact in a "hypothyroid"

state.. . and can gain. My endo never took my weight concerns

seriously as with the gain I was still in a very acceptable state

on his chart; however, when I dropped back to normal, so

did my blood pressure. (I truthfully liked the gain as normal for

me is very thin--not to mention what it cost to have all my

clothes altered)

I've never asked him if a physician feels that water weight is in fact,

weight. I noticed some time ago that physicians and patients

speak a different language. . . a real good thing of which

to be cognizant, although one often doesn't know when

it is happening.

Bonnie

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I never found that I lost any wieght on the armour, I am always the same, between 120-124 and stay pretty much that way no matter what I do, however with the amount of working out and eating I do, I think one offsets the other. I never noticed that I pee more than before, but I drink so much water I am always peeing allot no matter what I do, it is good I work close to the bathroom ha ha! It sucks on long trips in the car though, LOL

----- Original Message -----

From: Bos@...

Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:24 PM

Subject: Re: Thyroid

e-- Sounds as if you may have some problems converting T3--glad the Armour does it for you--I'm taking an Armour generic now and it works just great too--I recognize the energy level. There seems to be a diuretic effect with Armour--anyone with whom I've spoken has intially dropped about 10 lbs pretty quickly which would indicate water weight. I think it's safe to say you can probably count on that-- you'll have to work at those last ten though. I finally got back to a 6 after 12 years. Bonnie

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  • 2 years later...

I haven't ... are you having problems??

Poor nutrition is probably the origin of many thyroid problems, and rich nutrition is vital to reversing them, or at least to prevent further decline. Healthy thyroid function is dependent on a range of nutrients, especially selenium, folic acid, and iodine. Of course, supplements should be used to complement, not substitute for, a balanced diet.

Stress in all its forms is another key culprit. Most of us experience a high degree of the most damaging kind — unremitting stress. You'll often see the symptoms of hypothyroidism totally reversed when a person commits to a program that supports balance through nutrition and daily self-care.

Lastly, many with hypothyroidism respond well to homeopathic remedies, Chinese medicine, herbal support and acupuncture. However, the nutritional, stress and emotional factors must be dealt with directly.

Suzi"oldglory@..." <oldglory@...> wrote:

Hi,I wonder if anyone has tried this product for a low thyroid and if so, what do you think of it?http://www.greenwillowtree.com/tides/Detail.bok?no=380Thank you,Baugh

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