Re: mammography and biopsies

[Guest guest]

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For clarification, I do not have a recommendation for

mammography. It is just another diagnostic tool with both advantages

and disadvantages. I think that it would be good to ban most

mammography for a couple of years so that physicians would be forced

to sharpen their diagnostic skills and learn to use non-ionizing

imagery modalities that don't distort possible malignant lesions. I

also think that for the astute clinician biopsies would be the

exception, not the rule. Mammograms and breast biopsies are quite

rare in those countries with low rates of breast cancer. A causal

component can't be ignored.

[Guest guest]

--: My naturopath is insisting on a MRI to see how bad my

situation is, he then followed with do you want to see pictures of

women who's cancer broke through the skin and it became a bloody mess!

Whats wrong with this man because I'm following a protocol other then

his? Whats you take on the MRI and then he stated if there is any

question about lymph involvement I would need a biopsy at that point

to determine if its cancerous or not. I was always under the

impression that a naturopath especially from Issels offices were there

to help? Would like some input here if possible. Frann

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> mammography. It is just another diagnostic tool with both

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>From: VGammill <vgammill@...>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: mammography and biopsies

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>Frann, you might ask your naturopath how many breast cancers he has

>worked with, and then ask him how many of these women are

>cured. You could then ask him details of successes and details of a

>proposed treatment. Skilled practitioners tend to be far more

>open-minded then your naturopath.

>At 07:56 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:

>>--: My naturopath is insisting on a MRI to see how bad my

>>situation is, he then followed with do you want to see pictures of

>>women who's cancer broke through the skin and it became a bloody mess!

>>Whats wrong with this man because I'm following a protocol other then

>>his? Whats you take on the MRI and then he stated if there is any

>>question about lymph involvement I would need a biopsy at that point

>>to determine if its cancerous or not. I was always under the

>>impression that a naturopath especially from Issels offices were there

>>to help? Would like some input here if possible. Frann

>> , VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote:

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>> > For clarification, I do not have a recommendation for

>> > mammography. It is just another diagnostic tool with both

>>advantages

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[Guest guest]

, Do you have any recommendation for how to find doctors who

are expert in these diagnostic techniques? Are there questions we can ask? I

know lots of alternative docs use thermograms--however that really doesn't mean

they know what they're doing. My doc who is very alternative does not think the

science on thermograms is good enough to embrace (yet he uses lots of other

alterantive modalities, EAV,etc.) I remember reading Dr. Love write about

her extensive breast exams she does (I think a full 15 minutes) and wondered how

I could find a doctor who does that.

I am 42 and haven't had a mammogram since my baseline one at 35. I am really

waffling on whether or not to do this.

Marie

[Guest guest]

There is a machine that measures the heat within the body and is therefore good

at detecting precancerous changes and tumour development (the increased blood

supply that goes with tumour development creates subcutaneous heat patterns that

can be detected long before tumours are visible to any other form of scanner.

This is called Digital Infra-red Thermal Imaging (DITI)

VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote:

I think that it would be good to ban most mammography for a couple of years so

that physicians would be forced to sharpen their diagnostic skills. .

[Guest guest]

-: What you are describing sounds like a thermography or even

a Pet Scan? I was told that the later gives you sugar and the cancer

lights up because its sensitive to it. Why would I want to feed

something I am trying to KILL? If you were going to test would you say

a MRI would be safest to determine size and whatever else they want to

know?? I will NEVER have a mammography or a biopsy again thats for

sure. Thanks for your input. Frann

-- In , jonathan chamberlain

<jonomark33@...> wrote:

.. This is called Digital Infra-red Thermal Imaging (DITI)

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jonomark wrote:

> think that it would be good to ban most mammography for a couple of years so

that physicians would be forced to sharpen their diagnostic skills.

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Hi ,

What do you think are the best diagnostic tools?

I posted a clinical trial that was being done for breast cancer...a sort of

PAP test for the breast..it will be about 4 years before it will be available

but the findings are very exciting.

Unfortunately, AOL lost all my file cabinet information so I have no idea who

is doing the study now.

[Guest guest]

- Sounds like both of you are in consensis that a mammogram is

useless, but if you're already diagnosis and are looking to see

whats going on now, would you agree the MRI is the best bet? What

about a Pet Scan to follow after the MRI? Frann

jonathan chamberlain <jonomark33@...> wrote:

.. This is called Digital Infra-red Thermal Imaging (DITI)

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> I think that it would be good to ban most mammography for a couple

of years so that physicians would be forced to sharpen their

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[Guest guest]

--: Would you move to Arizona at least for while I'm dealing

with this thing. LOL I so appreciate your wisdom and I think my

naturopath was annoyed cause I didn't buy into his 15-20K program

through his clinic called Issels. I don't have the funds for that

and I was pretty surprised how he changed his course just since I

came for a re-check and not restart of the clinics regimin. Would

you explain what you mean by a skilled practioner? I am unsure of

what you mean exactly. I was given the name of a doctor

here in sdale but I'm just unsure.

, VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote:

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> >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: mammography and biopsies

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> >Frann, you might ask your naturopath how many breast cancers he

has

> >worked with, and then ask him how many of these women are

> >cured. You could then ask him details of successes and details

of a

> >proposed treatment. Skilled practitioners tend to be far more

> >open-minded then your naturopath.

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[Guest guest]

A mammogram is a very useful tool. It is just that there is a price

to be paid in DNA damage, in a painful procedure that conceivably can

cause damage to the breast. The PET is very useful to get an idea

how active a cancer is, but it does use ionizing radiation also.

At 04:36 PM 10/22/2006, you wrote:

>- Sounds like both of you are in consensis that a mammogram is

>useless, but if you're already diagnosis and are looking to see

>whats going on now, would you agree the MRI is the best bet? What

>about a Pet Scan to follow after the MRI? Frann

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> jonathan chamberlain <jonomark33@...> wrote:

>. This is called Digital Infra-red Thermal Imaging (DITI)

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[Guest guest]

--: Ever heard of a in the sdale, Az area?

In , VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote:

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> >... Would you explain what you mean by a skilled practitioner?

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> Smart, knowledgeable, experienced, and a little obsessive at problem

> solving. It takes many years to get good at this. Always look for

> someone local first.

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