Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks so much for taking the time for this explanation of your explant

charges, fees, etc. You are the first one that seems to comprehend how

these charges 'really work', and your explanation makes sense to someone who

was in this business for 20-years.

Thanks again,

MM

Martha Murdock, Director

National Silicone Implant Foundation | Dallas Headquarters

" Supporting Survivors of Medical Implant Devices "

4416 Willow Lane

Dallas, TX 75244-7537

----- Original Message -----

From: " jean_puppe " <jpuppe@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:50 PM

Subject: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other

Kolb pts

> I don't know if what I have to say will clear up anything...but I

> will tell you this. Yes..I did have my explant done by Dr. Kolb. I

> cannot begin to tell you how great she was and still is. I talked

> at great length to Dr. Kolb about this insurance issue. Here's the

> scoop as I understand it. ON PAPER...meaning just that...what is

> written down for costs of explant is nothing close to what the Dr.

> or the Surgical Center will get. If the Dr. is a part of a

> PPO...they have already agreed on an amount for the procedure and

> have to abide by that...and will only get a fraction of what they

> should, or what the procedure is worth. If the patient is a 'self

> pay', the explant without a lift is $6000. If it takes less

> operating room time and anesthesia time, they will get a refund. I

> asked Dr. Kolb WHY in the world would she even accept some of these

> insurance companies (like mine!) that pay so little! She simply

> stated that she wants to help women. And sometimes that is the only

> way they would be able to get help...if she or some other reputable

> Dr. accepted their insurance. That certainly is true. I wouldn't

> be able to count the number of times Dr. Kolb has followed up after

> my surgery with phone calls and email. She has been nothing short

> of incredible. I, at times, have been so incredibly scared because

> I am so afraid that my joint pain (my feet and ankles mostly) is

> returning. She takes so much time explaining why the pain came

> back...and what exactly needs to be done to treat this illness.

> There isn't ANY extra charge for this. I did decide to take her

> suggested protocol supplements before surgery. But I did get them

> here in my city because my local GNC has a 2 for 1 sale all the

> time...so I did get them at a good price. But with everything I

> needed...I spent around $100..so I thought it was worth it. Did it

> help? I think so...but I guess I will never know for sure. I do

> know that I felt remarkably good after surgery...and the only

> remaining problem is my fatigue. But I understand that can hang on

> for up to 36 months...ugh! But that isn't anything compared to

> other problems and what other women are going through. But

> truthfully...I think we all are making too much of this insurance

> thing. Yes..I was told by Clarissa at Dr. Kolb's office that my

> surgery would cost around $13,000. Dr. Kolb said that there isn't

> any way self pay would have been that much. It's just calculated

> out to that figure on paper...some insurance companies (PPO) only

> pay percentages....which doesn't amount to a hill of beans. They

> truly don't make much money on explants. But they DO get the full

> billable amount on things such as accidents where facial plastic

> surgery is needed, etc......so that makes up for the shortage in

> other areas. One thing that impressed me is...Dr. Kolb only charges

> $100 if you have to cancel your surgery. I mean...things CAN

> happen...especially with women who are very sick. I felt very

> comfortable with this. I know some of you are annoyed and feel it

> is wrong that Dr. Kolb still has implants. But please...think of it

> in a different way. This woman is TRYING to find a way for women to

> have and keep implants! I would just as soon see the damn things

> banned from this earth myself!! But the truth is...there are women

> out there who will NOT part with their boobs no matter what! Even

> their health doesn't matter to them. They don't want to lose their

> precious boobs. That is their business...not mine. So Dr. Kolb is

> researching...experimenting on a personal level, to see what works

> and what doesn't. Some women can tolerate SMOOTH implants...some

> women can't. She, to date, has found that smooth implants are the

> only ones that ARE tolerated for any length of time. The textured

> ones (as mine were) always cause problems. And also, to date, she

> is not having any problems with her saline smooth implants. She

> will no doubt keep them as long as she is problem free. I give her

> alot of credit for doing what she has done on this site. Believe

> me...it is NOT for money. This woman really cares about women who

> are having implant issues. I read people VERY well...and I would be

> able to read right through anything phoney or fake...and she is the

> real McCoy. I don't know if this long post helps or not...but the

> insurance price issue is how I understand it. It isn't that they

> are 'gouging' insurance companies. They only get a certain

> percentage of the billed amount...if you ask me..the insurance

> company is being very unfair to the surgeons in this situation. I,

> for one, would NOT operate, especially this tedious operation, for 4

> hours...for $867!! That is crazy in my opinion. So..the bottom

> line is...even though $13,000 might be written down for 'costs'...NO

> ONE will pay that much..not even insurance companies. And to re-

> tract one of my posts...I really was told by Clarissa (at Dr. Kolb's

> office) that I would have to pay that amount if my insurance company

> didn't pay. She was incorrect...or I should say...we had a

> miscommunication. She should have told me I would then be a 'self

> pay'...and that would have been $6,000. Thanks to all who took the

> time to read this!! :-)

>

>

>

> > > > , just had to add another comment on the price

> situation, it

> > > drove me

> > > > up a wall today! I went back through all my notes with Dr. Feng

> > > and also Dr.

> > > > Kolb, and I wanted to share with you, and the group what I did

> > > find. First of

> > > > all, Dr. Feng's prices are not a flat rate when it comes to

> > > insurance pay ,

> > > > (like in my instance) only self pay. Maybe when you saw her

> > > , but not

> > > > from my notes, and estimates from her office for me. First of

> all,

> > > self pay

> > > > rates, and insurance rates are completely different. (I have

> > > worked with

> > > > Farmers ins. for over 8 years, and am familiar with health

> plans,

> > > and

> > > > claims.) With the self pay, you have to pay the amount or

> partial

> > > up front,

> > > > to cover the whole surgery, so there is no loss to the doctor

> > > whatsoever. If

> > > > they go over in time, they usually have no recourse but to ask

> you

> > > to pay the

> > > > rest, or leave it be. (Usually the later case) With insurance

> > > pay, the

> > > > doctors office will bill the insurance, and in almost all

> cases,

> > > there is a

> > > > cap out amount on each service, such as the explant, and also

> on

> > > the OR &

> > > > anesthesia, and they will never get the full amount of the

> entire

> > > surgery.

> > > > As in my case, my insurance did not cover the full $12,000, (I

> > > found a

> > > > statement from last week) only about 65% of that, as that was

> > > their cap out

> > > > amount for explant. So therefore, their are some doctors that

> will

> > > not go

> > > > with certain companies, as they know they will only cover say

> > > $8,000 for an

> > > > explant, out of a total of their claimed $12,000. Dr. Kolb

> > > accepted mine, and

> > > > knew full well she would not receive anywhere near the final

> > > amount. Which

> > > > really was a covered amount of $8000 total. Although they

> agreed

> > > to cover

> > > > explant, they have to draw the line at what cost is their cap

> out.

> > > With mine,

> > > > it was 8000. Also, because Dr. Feng was out of network, I

> would

> > > have to come

> > > > up with the entire amount to go ahead with surgery. If Dr.

> Feng

> > > was covered

> > > > by my insurance, I guarantee that her price is not a flat rate-

> > > because when

> > > > it comes to billing by insurance, insurance always bills the

> Or

> > > facility,

> > > > and anesthesia based on time only. So, if they go over, there

> are

> > > more

> > > > charges and fees.

> > > > Also, , please check into it, but I was quoted with a

> > > breast lift at

> > > > $4,000 (and so was a friend of mine two weeks ago) needed up

> > > front with Dr

> > > > Feng, while it was $3500 with Dr. Kolb, and remember, I

> received

> > > back

> > > > almost 1,000 from Dr. Kolb.. So my lift was only $2500.00.

> Both of

> > > their

> > > > prices are very similar. I don't mean to rehash things, I just

> > > thought I

> > > > should share the prices I have in front of me, and explain the

> > > ins thing, so

> > > > there are no misunderstandings. I am not saying by any means

> that

> > > Dr. Feng

> > > > was not a wonderful surgeon for you, I just went crazy when I

> > > heard someone

> > > > was quoted $14,000 from Dr. Kolb, because that is not true. To

> be

> > > honest with

> > > > you, that price suddenly came up about two days after someone

> > > asked me what

> > > > my bill was for a 7 hour surgery. She must have

> misunderstood.

> > > And then all

> > > > this talk got me researching, because I realy always thought

> they

> > > were very

> > > > similar from the start, there was just a problem with ins & $$

> > > with Dr. Feng.

> > > > So, that is what I found.

> > > > Dr. Kolb is no more higher, than Dr. Feng, and actually, I got

> > > money back on

> > > > my lift. Hope this helps.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

That's what I was trying to say the whole time, in clearing that up with my posts. I knew that self pay was definitly not $13,000 to 14,000 with Dr. Kolb, no matter waht anyone was telling me.There was a big misunderstanding with the difference in insurance billing, or patient billing. She is very similiar to all the other doctors prices.If the other docotrs charged by ins, their bills would go up much higher than what they would charge for patient pay. Thank you for clearing that $14,000 nonsense up. I am still having joint pain as well in my hands, but also mostly in my feet and ankles. Mostly FEET! It's like the stiffness wants to settle down there. You should realy read that "Rhuematoid Arthritis- The infection Connection." I know you may not have that, but it talks about the mycoplasms that often cause true arthritis cases like mine and other disease, and arthritic stiffness & symptoms in others. It is very interesting, esp since we have had implants with many yeast/fungal & viral infections. I can finally understand what Dr. Kolb is telling me!

Also, I know what you are talking about with Dr. Kolb. Once you have chosen her as your doctor, you also have begun a new friendship, she always calls in to check on me, almost every week, and its been over 2 months! I will never forget that.

[Guest guest]

does Dr Kolb also have you also on the Minocin treatment in reference to Dr. Nickolson & "Dr. Browns Protocal?" Low antibiotic treatment for intercellular mycoplasms? I too had terrible RA symptoms, and once on the low dose meds, I felt 80% better, once off, it got worse like you.

If that is what you are on, the program is realy amazing! Dr. Mercola is the top leading Doctor in treating this disease in the US, using Dr Brown's Protocal, NST therapy (I go about twice a month) and also following a high veggie/Low grain diet, his treatment plan has a 90% over remission rate, permantly. I will send some info from him on it, if that is what Dr. Kolb is curently doing. It realy isnt that hard to comprehend. Realy, all it is, is- the belief (and proof thru testing), that you have large amounts of infection(s) that you no longer can fight off, that have settled in your synovial joints for protection of being destroyed. These little infections (mycoplasma) eat away and attack at your tissue, and your body being totally overwhelmed, needs help in fighting them off. The program is, that low doses of Minocin, 3 times a week , will help your body in getting to those mycoplasmas out of those areas, and then to destroy them .Too much antibiotics, and you will kill the theory. The theory is to take in small amounts , to help along with your body's natural attack. Too much meds, and your body will never learn again how to fight them off. That is why, once off any fungal antibioitc, you start to have relapses. As the entire infection was not rid of, and has now rapidly multiplied to regain strength. Some people need to take this treatment for months, some years, depends on the type of infection, and how bad it is, but they do improve, and many get off all those dangerous steroids, and immnue supressors they are placed on with RA. the program also calls for no sugar! Dr .Kolb started me on it, and now I will go to Dr. Mercola for the remainder of this treatment. He will test me tomorrow with a live Cell, to see if I have fungal infection with a viral, as Dr. Kolb requested. And to see how much I have improved since explant with all the yeast overgrowth in my blood. So he can determine my amounts needed for treatment. It is such a neat test, you watch your living blood in action on screen., And when i had implants, it was a nasty, sad thing to see. So, I hope it's gotten better! Hope some of that info helps.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for talking about this I appreciate that. I guess we all have to be

proactive in our own aftercare, since it is our bodies that are being

affected, that is the most important issue of all. I am happy to say that

whatever autoimmune disease I was starting to get, seems to have been

reversed. I hope that yours will as well.

Hugs

C

----- Original Message -----

From: " jean_puppe " <jpuppe@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:45 AM

Subject: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other

Kolb pts

> I seriously don't know what other Doctors offer for 'after care'. I

> only know what I have received from Dr. Kolb. I guess professional

> advice concerning the protocol, email, and phone calls all would

> classify as after care for me. If I lived close to her, any

> appointment that I had would be at no charge and considered after

> care as well. But since I don't live close, a phone call or email

> is nice to have. I know for me, the after care part has been

> important as I had a relapse in some joint pain...and I needed to

> have further advice on that. I take 'antibiotic misuse'

> seriously...and don't like to over do it if you know what I mean.

> But I know something is going on in my body when all my pain was

> gone...but returned about 10 days after I stopped taking all meds.

> Then it got better again after I started the meds. I believe there

> is so much to this disease that most, including me, do not

> understand. Try as I may...immune illnesses are very complex...and

> I need professional advice when it comes to these problems. I don't

> know, or probably won't ever know, if the Protocol worked. My

> protocol needed to be adjusted a couple of times geared to my

> personal issues I was having. At the point I was at, I just wanted

> to get better..and if there was a greater chance of me recovering

> taking the protocol, then I was going to grab it. I'd certainly

> like to think that it wasn't all for nothing...and I guess if I had

> to give advice to someone who would like to know if they should or

> shouldn't take the supplements, I would have to say go for it...as

> you have nothing to lose. Again...everyone's opinion on this is

> different..and that's ok.

>

>

>

> > > > > > , just had to add another comment on the price

> > > situation, it

> > > > > drove me

> > > > > > up a wall today! I went back through all my notes with Dr.

> Feng

> > > > > and also Dr.

> > > > > > Kolb, and I wanted to share with you, and the group what I

> did

> > > > > find. First of

> > > > > > all, Dr. Feng's prices are not a flat rate when it comes to

> > > > > insurance pay ,

> > > > > > (like in my instance) only self pay. Maybe when you saw her

> > > > > , but not

> > > > > > from my notes, and estimates from her office for me. First

> of

> > > all,

> > > > > self pay

> > > > > > rates, and insurance rates are completely different. (I

> have

> > > > > worked with

> > > > > > Farmers ins. for over 8 years, and am familiar with health

> > > plans,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > claims.) With the self pay, you have to pay the amount or

> > > partial

> > > > > up front,

> > > > > > to cover the whole surgery, so there is no loss to the

> doctor

> > > > > whatsoever. If

> > > > > > they go over in time, they usually have no recourse but to

> ask

> > > you

> > > > > to pay the

> > > > > > rest, or leave it be. (Usually the later case) With

> insurance

> > > > > pay, the

> > > > > > doctors office will bill the insurance, and in almost all

> > > cases,

> > > > > there is a

> > > > > > cap out amount on each service, such as the explant, and

> also

> > > on

> > > > > the OR &

> > > > > > anesthesia, and they will never get the full amount of the

> > > entire

> > > > > surgery.

> > > > > > As in my case, my insurance did not cover the full

> $12,000, (I

> > > > > found a

> > > > > > statement from last week) only about 65% of that, as that

> was

> > > > > their cap out

> > > > > > amount for explant. So therefore, their are some doctors

> that

> > > will

> > > > > not go

> > > > > > with certain companies, as they know they will only cover

> say

> > > > > $8,000 for an

> > > > > > explant, out of a total of their claimed $12,000. Dr. Kolb

> > > > > accepted mine, and

> > > > > > knew full well she would not receive anywhere near the

> final

> > > > > amount. Which

> > > > > > really was a covered amount of $8000 total. Although they

> > > agreed

> > > > > to cover

> > > > > > explant, they have to draw the line at what cost is their

> cap

> > > out.

> > > > > With mine,

> > > > > > it was 8000. Also, because Dr. Feng was out of network, I

> > > would

> > > > > have to come

> > > > > > up with the entire amount to go ahead with surgery. If Dr.

> > > Feng

> > > > > was covered

> > > > > > by my insurance, I guarantee that her price is not a flat

> rate-

> > > > > because when

> > > > > > it comes to billing by insurance, insurance always bills

> the

> > > Or

> > > > > facility,

> > > > > > and anesthesia based on time only. So, if they go over,

> there

> > > are

> > > > > more

> > > > > > charges and fees.

> > > > > > Also, , please check into it, but I was quoted with

> a

> > > > > breast lift at

> > > > > > $4,000 (and so was a friend of mine two weeks ago) needed

> up

> > > > > front with Dr

> > > > > > Feng, while it was $3500 with Dr. Kolb, and remember, I

> > > received

> > > > > back

> > > > > > almost 1,000 from Dr. Kolb.. So my lift was only $2500.00.

> > > Both of

> > > > > their

> > > > > > prices are very similar. I don't mean to rehash things, I

> just

> > > > > thought I

> > > > > > should share the prices I have in front of me, and

> explain the

> > > > > ins thing, so

> > > > > > there are no misunderstandings. I am not saying by any

> means

> > > that

> > > > > Dr. Feng

> > > > > > was not a wonderful surgeon for you, I just went crazy

> when I

> > > > > heard someone

> > > > > > was quoted $14,000 from Dr. Kolb, because that is not

> true. To

> > > be

> > > > > honest with

> > > > > > you, that price suddenly came up about two days after

> someone

> > > > > asked me what

> > > > > > my bill was for a 7 hour surgery. She must have

> > > misunderstood.

> > > > > And then all

> > > > > > this talk got me researching, because I realy always

> thought

> > > they

> > > > > were very

> > > > > > similar from the start, there was just a problem with ins

> & $$

> > > > > with Dr. Feng.

> > > > > > So, that is what I found.

> > > > > > Dr. Kolb is no more higher, than Dr. Feng, and actually,

> I got

> > > > > money back on

> > > > > > my lift. Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I guess maybe it is just me, but the thought of my surgeon having implants , yuck that just doesn't sit well with me at all. I liked the fact that Dr Feng was small chested and she even told me as did her nurse that she would never get implants. Her nurse was telling me how Dr Feng does not ever implant anyone unless she has explained to them all the things she has seen in her practice. ( iwish she did not do them at all) but it seems to me it would be hard to tell women not to get implants and to love themselves the way they are if you yourself are sitting there with implants in your chest. It just seems to me that if she didn't have implants, she would be taken more seriously. Why not promote being natural and mastopexy and the art of mastopexy rather than to promote implants by having them yourself. To me after all she knows about implants why still keep them? I wish one PS would stand up and speak out about the danger of implants and promote lifts and being attractive with small breasts rather than to just say that women will still want implants so I might as well be the one to do them. I just think that attitude is wrong. I will never change my opinon. To have implants while saying how bad they are is simply playing to both sides of the issue. I liked the self esteem that I felt Dr Feng and her staff all had in their bodies, I wish I had been that full of self esteem when I thought about implants, I would never have gotten them to begin with!

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

That's what I was trying to say the whole time, in clearing that up with my posts. I knew that self pay was definitly not $13,000 to 14,000 with Dr. Kolb, no matter waht anyone was telling me.There was a big misunderstanding with the difference in insurance billing, or patient billing. She is very similiar to all the other doctors prices.If the other docotrs charged by ins, their bills would go up much higher than what they would charge for patient pay. Thank you for clearing that $14,000 nonsense up. I am still having joint pain as well in my hands, but also mostly in my feet and ankles. Mostly FEET! It's like the stiffness wants to settle down there. You should realy read that "Rhuematoid Arthritis- The infection Connection." I know you may not have that, but it talks about the mycoplasms that often cause true arthritis cases like mine and other disease, and arthritic stiffness & symptoms in others. It is very interesting, esp since we have had implants with many yeast/fungal & viral infections. I can finally understand what Dr. Kolb is telling me! Also, I know what you are talking about with Dr. Kolb. Once you have chosen her as your doctor, you also have begun a new friendship, she always calls in to check on me, almost every week, and its been over 2 months! I will never forget that.

[Guest guest]

Does your medical insurance pay for these drugs that your taking? The minocin? Does it have any bad side effects? Curious about it since I know that one of our members was really sick and was on it for along time but never did see much improvement. Shirl are you out there? Can you tell us of your experience with the minocin treatment please?

anyhow I hope that things go better for you this time with this test.

take care

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

does Dr Kolb also have you also on the Minocin treatment in reference to Dr. Nickolson & "Dr. Browns Protocal?" Low antibiotic treatment for intercellular mycoplasms? I too had terrible RA symptoms, and once on the low dose meds, I felt 80% better, once off, it got worse like you. If that is what you are on, the program is realy amazing! Dr. Mercola is the top leading Doctor in treating this disease in the US, using Dr Brown's Protocal, NST therapy (I go about twice a month) and also following a high veggie/Low grain diet, his treatment plan has a 90% over remission rate, permantly. I will send some info from him on it, if that is what Dr. Kolb is curently doing. It realy isnt that hard to comprehend. Realy, all it is, is- the belief (and proof thru testing), that you have large amounts of infection(s) that you no longer can fight off, that have settled in your synovial joints for protection of being destroyed. These little infections (mycoplasma) eat away and attack at your tissue, and your body being totally overwhelmed, needs help in fighting them off. The program is, that low doses of Minocin, 3 times a week , will help your body in getting to those mycoplasmas out of those areas, and then to destroy them .Too much antibiotics, and you will kill the theory. The theory is to take in small amounts , to help along with your body's natural attack. Too much meds, and your body will never learn again how to fight them off. That is why, once off any fungal antibioitc, you start to have relapses. As the entire infection was not rid of, and has now rapidly multiplied to regain strength. Some people need to take this treatment for months, some years, depends on the type of infection, and how bad it is, but they do improve, and many get off all those dangerous steroids, and immnue supressors they are placed on with RA. the program also calls for no sugar! Dr .Kolb started me on it, and now I will go to Dr. Mercola for the remainder of this treatment. He will test me tomorrow with a live Cell, to see if I have fungal infection with a viral, as Dr. Kolb requested. And to see how much I have improved since explant with all the yeast overgrowth in my blood. So he can determine my amounts needed for treatment. It is such a neat test, you watch your living blood in action on screen., And when i had implants, it was a nasty, sad thing to see. So, I hope it's gotten better! Hope some of that info helps.

[Guest guest]

,

How is your son doing? If I remember right, he was on some type of treatment with you wasn't he?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:08 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

does Dr Kolb also have you also on the Minocin treatment in reference to Dr. Nickolson & "Dr. Browns Protocal?" Low antibiotic treatment for intercellular mycoplasms? I too had terrible RA symptoms, and once on the low dose meds, I felt 80% better, once off, it got worse like you. If that is what you are on, the program is realy amazing! Dr. Mercola is the top leading Doctor in treating this disease in the US, using Dr Brown's Protocal, NST therapy (I go about twice a month) and also following a high veggie/Low grain diet, his treatment plan has a 90% over remission rate, permantly. I will send some info from him on it, if that is what Dr. Kolb is curently doing. It realy isnt that hard to comprehend. Realy, all it is, is- the belief (and proof thru testing), that you have large amounts of infection(s) that you no longer can fight off, that have settled in your synovial joints for protection of being destroyed. These little infections (mycoplasma) eat away and attack at your tissue, and your body being totally overwhelmed, needs help in fighting them off. The program is, that low doses of Minocin, 3 times a week , will help your body in getting to those mycoplasmas out of those areas, and then to destroy them .Too much antibiotics , and you will kill the theory. The theory is to take in small amounts , to help along with your body's natural attack. Too much meds, and your body will never learn again how to fight them off. That is why, once off any fungal antibioitc, you start to have relapses. As the entire infection was not rid of, and has now rapidly multiplied to regain strength. Some people need to take this treatment for months, some years, depends on the type of infection, and how bad it is, but they do improve, and many get off all those dangerous steroids, and immnue supressors they are placed on with RA. the program also calls for no sugar! Dr .Kolb started me on it, and now I will go to Dr. Mercola for the remainder of this treatment. He will test me tomorrow with a live Cell, to see if I have fungal infection with a viral, as Dr. Kolb requested. And to see how much I have improved since explant with all the yeast overgrowth in my blood. So he can determine my amounts needed for treatment. It is such a neat test, you watch your living blood in action on screen., And when i had implants, it was a nasty, sad thing to see. So, I hope it's gotten better! Hope some of that info helps.

[Guest guest]

,

Hallelujah!!!!! Your post sums up exactly how I feel!

e

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

I guess maybe it is just me, but the thought of my surgeon having implants , yuck that just doesn't sit well with me at all. I liked the fact that Dr Feng was small chested and she even told me as did her nurse that she would never get implants. Her nurse was telling me how Dr Feng does not ever implant anyone unless she has explained to them all the things she has seen in her practice. ( iwish she did not do them at all) but it seems to me it would be hard to tell women not to get implants and to love themselves the way they are if you yourself are sitting there with implants in your chest. It just seems to me that if she didn't have implants, she would be taken more seriously. Why not promote being natural and mastopexy and the art of mastopexy rather than to promote implants by having them yourself. To me after all she knows about implants why still keep them? I wish one PS would stand up and speak out about the danger of implants and promote lifts and being attractive with small breasts rather than to just say that women will still want implants so I might as well be the one to do them. I just think that attitude is wrong. I will never change my opinon. To have implants while saying how bad they are is simply playing to both sides of the issue. I liked the self esteem that I felt Dr Feng and her staff all had in their bodies, I wish I had been that full of self esteem when I thought about implants, I would never have gotten them to begin with!

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

That's what I was trying to say the whole time, in clearing that up with my posts. I knew that self pay was definitly not $13,000 to 14,000 with Dr. Kolb, no matter waht anyone was telling me.There was a big misunderstanding with the difference in insurance billing, or patient billing. She is very similiar to all the other doctors prices.If the other docotrs charged by ins, their bills would go up much higher than what they would charge for patient pay. Thank you for clearing that $14,000 nonsense up. I am still having joint pain as well in my hands, but also mostly in my feet and ankles. Mostly FEET! It's like the stiffness wants to settle down there. You should realy read that "Rhuematoid Arthritis- The infection Connection." I know you may not have that, but it talks about the mycoplasms that often cause true arthritis cases like mine and other disease, and arthritic stiffness & symptoms in others. It is very interesting, esp since we have had implants with many yeast/fungal & viral infections. I can finally understand what Dr. Kolb is telling me! Also, I know what you are talking about with Dr. Kolb. Once you have chosen her as your doctor, you also have begun a new friendship, she always calls in to check on me, almost every week, and its been over 2 months! I will never forget that.

[Guest guest]

e and :

That about sums it up for me too!

LM

[Guest guest]

No, I'd still rather go to Huang, Feng or my guy.

LM

[Guest guest]

Not all patients get calls backs unfortunately.

LM

[Guest guest]

:

Hi. told me the same thing (that Feng gives FULL disclosure) and as a result, MANY end up changing their minds about explant. I'm wondering if Feng, (for big/saggy breasted women), promotes mastopexy in lieu of the implants? THAT would be a good thing. That way aesthetic improvement can take place with far less risks and the doc stays in business too--it's a win-win situation. If I were a PS, I'd tell my small breasted clients to embrace what they have and for saggy breasted women, I'd promote mastopexy as THE alternative to saggy boobs.

LM

[Guest guest]

I would say that most of us who have been to the same Dr feel that way, if

you have been over to explantation.com you can see evidence of that in how

we all share our admiration for Dr Feng.

----- Original Message -----

From: " jean_puppe " <jpuppe@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:20 PM

Subject: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other

Kolb pts

> Yes..you are so right...and thank you for saying it the way you

> did. Dr. Kolb and her patients share a special something, don't

> they? It's hard, for me anyway, to not want to tell every woman

> wanting to explant, they NEED Dr. Kolb...especially when I know

> things about other surgeons..that maybe I shouldn't know...and I

> can't really tell. Does that even make sense? It probably

> doesn't...but the truth is...Dr. Kolb has been absolutely incredible

> and I am so glad I chose her...I almost didn't but with all my

> research, decided she was the one. And my FEET were the worst!!!!

> I had another bout with it..but they are better now with my meds she

> put me back on. I feel for you...it really is bad. Can you believe

> this can cause feet and and ankles to hurt this much? It amazes me

> still. I will get that book...I know you talked of it before..and

> it sounds like just what I need. Thank you!!

>

>

>

> > That's what I was trying to say the whole time, in clearing that

> up with my

> > posts. I knew that self pay was definitly not $13,000 to 14,000

> with Dr.

> > Kolb, no matter waht anyone was telling me.There was a big

> misunderstanding

> > with the difference in insurance billing, or patient billing. She

> is very

> > similiar to all the other doctors prices.If the other docotrs

> charged by ins,

> > their bills would go up much higher than what they would charge

> for patient

> > pay. Thank you for clearing that $14,000 nonsense up.

> > I am still having joint pain as well in my hands, but also mostly

> in my feet

> > and ankles. Mostly FEET! It's like the stiffness wants to settle

> down there.

> > You should realy read that " Rhuematoid Arthritis- The infection

> Connection. "

> > I know you may not have that, but it talks about the mycoplasms

> that often

> > cause true arthritis cases like mine and other disease, and

> arthritic

> > stiffness & symptoms in others. It is very interesting, esp since

> we have had

> > implants with many yeast/fungal & viral infections. I can finally

> understand

> > what Dr. Kolb is telling me!

> > Also, I know what you are talking about with Dr. Kolb. Once you

> have chosen

> > her as your doctor, you also have begun a new friendship, she

> always calls in

> > to check on me, almost every week, and its been over 2 months! I

> will never

> > forget that.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe if Dr Kolb got her implants out more women would have the desire to go

to her for explant.

----- Original Message -----

From: " jean_puppe " <jpuppe@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:20 PM

Subject: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other

Kolb pts

> Yes..you are so right...and thank you for saying it the way you

> did. Dr. Kolb and her patients share a special something, don't

> they? It's hard, for me anyway, to not want to tell every woman

> wanting to explant, they NEED Dr. Kolb...especially when I know

> things about other surgeons..that maybe I shouldn't know...and I

> can't really tell. Does that even make sense? It probably

> doesn't...but the truth is...Dr. Kolb has been absolutely incredible

> and I am so glad I chose her...I almost didn't but with all my

> research, decided she was the one. And my FEET were the worst!!!!

> I had another bout with it..but they are better now with my meds she

> put me back on. I feel for you...it really is bad. Can you believe

> this can cause feet and and ankles to hurt this much? It amazes me

> still. I will get that book...I know you talked of it before..and

> it sounds like just what I need. Thank you!!

>

>

>

> > That's what I was trying to say the whole time, in clearing that

> up with my

> > posts. I knew that self pay was definitly not $13,000 to 14,000

> with Dr.

> > Kolb, no matter waht anyone was telling me.There was a big

> misunderstanding

> > with the difference in insurance billing, or patient billing. She

> is very

> > similiar to all the other doctors prices.If the other docotrs

> charged by ins,

> > their bills would go up much higher than what they would charge

> for patient

> > pay. Thank you for clearing that $14,000 nonsense up.

> > I am still having joint pain as well in my hands, but also mostly

> in my feet

> > and ankles. Mostly FEET! It's like the stiffness wants to settle

> down there.

> > You should realy read that " Rhuematoid Arthritis- The infection

> Connection. "

> > I know you may not have that, but it talks about the mycoplasms

> that often

> > cause true arthritis cases like mine and other disease, and

> arthritic

> > stiffness & symptoms in others. It is very interesting, esp since

> we have had

> > implants with many yeast/fungal & viral infections. I can finally

> understand

> > what Dr. Kolb is telling me!

> > Also, I know what you are talking about with Dr. Kolb. Once you

> have chosen

> > her as your doctor, you also have begun a new friendship, she

> always calls in

> > to check on me, almost every week, and its been over 2 months! I

> will never

> > forget that.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I will be retested every three months for effect on my liver, (which is rare) and the dosage is so low, that even yeast infections are uncommon. However, I am and will be on plently of liver cultures to combat any overgrowth. The treatment is covered under my plan, and I am not usually one for meds, (after my c-section, I refused pain meds, as well as after explant- I only took it for one day) (I also never have taken antiboditics) I firmly believe from all my tests, and after reading many books on this protocal, and due to me having Hashimto's & RA, and all that yucky infection on my implants, I don't have a choice, I am definitly filled with a terrible infection, that my body needs help to combat, otherwise, I will be disabled in a few years if I keep going on like this.The joint pain is that bad, and that swollen now. Thanks, I hope my tests are better, too!

[Guest guest]

HI e how is Denver? Are you liking the cold there ?

Hugs

C

----- Original Message -----

From: e Rene'

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

,

Hallelujah!!!!! Your post sums up exactly how I feel!

e

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

I guess maybe it is just me, but the thought of my surgeon having implants , yuck that just doesn't sit well with me at all. I liked the fact that Dr Feng was small chested and she even told me as did her nurse that she would never get implants. Her nurse was telling me how Dr Feng does not ever implant anyone unless she has explained to them all the things she has seen in her practice. ( iwish she did not do them at all) but it seems to me it would be hard to tell women not to get implants and to love themselves the way they are if you yourself are sitting there with implants in your chest. It just seems to me that if she didn't have implants, she would be taken more seriously. Why not promote being natural and mastopexy and the art of mastopexy rather than to promote implants by having them yourself. To me after all she knows about implants why still keep them? I wish one PS would stand up and speak out about the danger of implants and promote lifts and being attractive with small breasts rather than to just say that women will still want implants so I might as well be the one to do them. I just think that attitude is wrong. I will never change my opinon. To have implants while saying how bad they are is simply playing to both sides of the issue. I liked the self esteem that I felt Dr Feng and her staff all had in their bodies, I wish I had been that full of self esteem when I thought about implants, I would never have gotten them to begin with!

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

That's what I was trying to say the whole time, in clearing that up with my posts. I knew that self pay was definitly not $13,000 to 14,000 with Dr. Kolb, no matter waht anyone was telling me.There was a big misunderstanding with the difference in insurance billing, or patient billing. She is very similiar to all the other doctors prices.If the other docotrs charged by ins, their bills would go up much higher than what they would charge for patient pay. Thank you for clearing that $14,000 nonsense up. I am still having joint pain as well in my hands, but also mostly in my feet and ankles. Mostly FEET! It's like the stiffness wants to settle down there. You should realy read that "Rhuematoid Arthritis- The infection Connection." I know you may not have that, but it talks about the mycoplasms that often cause true arthritis cases like mine and other disease, and arthritic stiffness & symptoms in others. It is very interesting, esp since we have had implants with many yeast/fungal & viral infections. I can finally understand what Dr. Kolb is telling me! Also, I know what you are talking about with Dr. Kolb. Once you have chosen her as your doctor, you also have begun a new friendship, she always calls in to check on me, almost every week, and its been over 2 months! I will never forget that.

[Guest guest]

Patty, For the first time in almost two years Tylers athlete foot is complety gone! ( Tyler was born with jock infection and athlet's foot which was uncommon) I know that just proves early that I was filled with that crap from the infected implants, and alot of it. Doctors didn't know what to think. He has been on over 4 types of creams for over 2 years, and nothing worked. Seen three skin doctors that were baffled at this resistent fungal problem. Thank the Lord it its his only problem! I have had him on high amounts of veggies, certain fruits (no oranges, bananas too acududc, and too yeasty) protein, but very little carbs & sugars, and also on these holistic sancombe drops, live cultures everyday to help fight infection, and water, water, water, and right away in the first week, it was almost gone with no creams! I couldnt believe it myself. No more eye infections, jock itch, athlests foot, or ringworm! It realy is amazing! The regular docs are baffled! Thanks for asking!

[Guest guest]

I know exactly about what you are talking about with what you know about other surgeons, that drove you to Dr. Kolb, you don't have to explain.I'm there already. I'll pray for your feet, too. Hope you do better.

[Guest guest]

Well one would think that she promotes her mastopexy yes, over implants any day. I certainly did not get the vibe that she does allot of implants, and if you go to her website she does not have any implant photos like some other Dr's websites that I have seen. Instead she seems to focus more on her lifts, her tram flap reconstruction and her facial procedures. I think any PS that does as many explants as her would be smarter to promote lifts. I don't know why more Dr's don't do this as well, maybe they are not as good at lifts as they are at stuffing in a set of implants.

----- Original Message -----

From: perlesetlacet@...

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:53 AM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

:Hi. told me the same thing (that Feng gives FULL disclosure) and as a result, MANY end up changing their minds about explant. I'm wondering if Feng, (for big/saggy breasted women), promotes mastopexy in lieu of the implants? THAT would be a good thing. That way aesthetic improvement can take place with far less risks and the doc stays in business too--it's a win-win situation. If I were a PS, I'd tell my small breasted clients to embrace what they have and for saggy breasted women, I'd promote mastopexy as THE alternative to saggy boobs.LM

[Guest guest]

I think that if I had a true case of RA and had been diagnosed with it, and was in your position I might also be willing to take this med. I don't think that I would take it in my case at this time, because the only thing I am really dealing with is the foot pain, it just doesn't seem to me to be worth the risk. I posted two things about it that I dug up, one positive, one more negative, I think that it is worth the risk for a true case of RA and allot better than having to take some of the other drugs that are available for it, I also feel that if you still have so many symptoms such as joint pain and swelling after being explanted then yes, you are on the right track girl. I remember when I thought that I had lupus man I would have done anything to be free of that mess, I did take some meds for that but I ended up going off it due to side effects. Anyhow girl hang in there, do your follow ups and keep on top of things, that is your best bet. For me, I am just going to hang in there and hope that the foot thing does not rear its ugly head again soon.

Hugs

C

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

, I will be retested every three months for effect on my liver, (which is rare) and the dosage is so low, that even yeast infections are uncommon. However, I am and will be on plently of liver cultures to combat any overgrowth. The treatment is covered under my plan, and I am not usually one for meds, (after my c-section, I refused pain meds, as well as after explant- I only took it for one day) (I also never have taken antiboditics) I firmly believe from all my tests, and after reading many books on this protocal, and due to me having Hashimto's & RA, and all that yucky infection on my implants, I don't have a choice, I am definitly filled with a terrible infection, that my body needs help to combat, otherwise, I will be disabled in a few years if I keep going on like this.The joint pain is that bad, and that swollen now. Thanks, I hope my tests are better, too!

[Guest guest]

,

I love it here!! It is cold, esp compared to Tucson. But I like the cold so much more than the heat. The only bad thing about Denver is that the altitude gives me horrible headaches which rapidly lead to migraines. I had maybe 1-2 migraines while I was in Tucson, now I have a headache everyday. It's horrible.

Talk to you later.

e

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:44 AM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

HI e how is Denver? Are you liking the cold there ?

Hugs

C

----- Original Message -----

From: e Rene'

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

,

Hallelujah!!!!! Your post sums up exactly how I feel!

e

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

I guess maybe it is just me, but the thought of my surgeon having implants , yuck that just doesn't sit well with me at all. I liked the fact that Dr Feng was small chested and she even told me as did her nurse that she would never get implants. Her nurse was telling me how Dr Feng does not ever implant anyone unless she has explained to them all the things she has seen in her practice. ( iwish she did not do them at all) but it seems to me it would be hard to tell women not to get implants and to love themselves the way they are if you yourself are sitting there with implants in your chest. It just seems to me that if she didn't have implants, she would be taken more seriously. Why not promote being natural and mastopexy and the art of mastopexy rather than to promote implants by having them yourself. To me after all she knows about implants why still keep them? I wish one PS would stand up and speak out about the danger of implants and promote lifts and being attractive with small breasts rather than to just say that women will still want implants so I might as well be the one to do them. I just think that attitude is wrong. I will never change my opinon. To have implants while saying how bad they are is simply playing to both sides of the issue. I liked the self esteem that I felt Dr Feng and her staff all had in their bodies, I wish I had been that full of self esteem when I thought about implants, I would never have gotten them to begin with!

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

That's what I was trying to say the whole time, in clearing that up with my posts. I knew that self pay was definitly not $13,000 to 14,000 with Dr. Kolb, no matter waht anyone was telling me.There was a big misunderstanding with the difference in insurance billing, or patient billing. She is very similiar to all the other doctors prices.If the other docotrs charged by ins, their bills would go up much higher than what they would charge for patient pay. Thank you for clearing that $14,000 nonsense up. I am still having joint pain as well in my hands, but also mostly in my feet and ankles. Mostly FEET! It's like the stiffness wants to settle down there. You should realy read that "Rhuematoid Arthritis- The infection Connection." I know you may not have that, but it talks about the mycoplasms that often cause true arthritis cases like mine and other disease, and arthritic stiffness & symptoms in others. It is very interesting, esp since we have had implants with many yeast/fungal & viral infections. I can finally understand what Dr. Kolb is telling me! Also, I know what you are talking about with Dr. Kolb. Once you have chosen her as your doctor, you also have begun a new friendship, she always calls in to check on me, almost every week, and its been over 2 months! I will never forget that.

[Guest guest]

I would do the same thing if I were in your situation. I agree, you don't have the extensive problems I do with Ra, and you are treating your problem the best you know how. If I were you, I wouldnt go on meds, either. Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

This is such encouraging news. I am sure you are very relieved for your little guy! It seems Dr. Mercola's protocol is right on target for both of you. I hope you begin to feel better again soon, and I am so happy for your son.

God bless!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIEJJPALANCA@...

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:48 PM

Subject: Re: Re: insurance costs this is ofr and other Kolb pts

Patty, For the first time in almost two years Tylers athlete foot is complety gone! ( Tyler was born with jock infection and athlet's foot which was uncommon) I know that just proves early that I was filled with that crap from the infected implants, and alot of it. Doctors didn't know what to think. He has been on over 4 types of creams for over 2 years, and nothing worked. Seen three skin doctors that were baffled at this resistent fungal problem. Thank the Lord it its his only problem! I have had him on high amounts of veggies, certain fruits (no oranges, bananas too acududc, and too yeasty) protein, but very little carbs & sugars, and also on these holistic sancombe drops, live cultures everyday to help fight infection, and water, water, water, and right away in the first week, it was almost gone with no creams! I couldnt believe it myself. No more eye infections, jock itch, athlests foot, or ringworm! It realy is amazing! The regular docs are baffled! Thanks for asking!