Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Dear and Jerry: Hashimotos is simply another autoimmune dysfunction. The reason the immune system attacks its own tissues...I just explained. Putting a name on something does not make it esoteric. Just follow the reasoning I've been outlining and you'll have most of the reasons [and solutions] to most thyroid problems. Earl Hashimotos What is Hashimoto's Thyroiditis? _____Hashimoto's thyroiditis, also called chronic thyroiditis, is named for the Japanese doctor who discovered it. It affects about 5% of the adult population, increasing particularly in women as they age. Hashimoto's, the most common form of thyroiditis, is the leading cause of hypothyroidism. _____Hashimoto's thyroiditis results from problems with the body's immune system. Normally, the immune system defends against germs and viruses, but in diseases such as Hashimoto's, the immune system attacks the body's own tissues. In patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, the immune system produce antithyroid antibodies, which damage the gland and keep it from producing enough hormones. _____Diseases of the immune system tend to run in families and are about five times more common in women than in men. Hashimoto's is linked to other autoimmune conditions, such as Graves' disease, premature gray hair, diabetes mellitus, arthritis and patchy loss of pigment of the skin (vitiligo). Happy Springtime!! Love, Reneé and Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Patty ,sometimes I have heard that it is a common practice amoung the old time docs, that in the beginnig stages of Hashimoto's, when the thyroid gland is still producing enough thyroid, as it hasn't been damaged to that point yet- and esp.when her bloodwork isnt showing that she is hypothyroid yet, they won't treat her with meds. As long as they see that Tsh level is ok, they tell the patient there is nothing they can do. When in all actuality there is, she must find an endrocrinologist or a holisitic doc, that believes this is important to treat her, even though her levels are fine. Esp. if Lani is showing hypo symptoms. Lani, this is for you, if your tests are showing you arent hypothyroid yet, first I would get natural meds from a specialist, and I would get those implants out in a second! You are in the early stages of the hashimotos attack which is good, and this can be easily reversed! More so in your case, than in mine. I have had Hashimtos so bad,(and speculated untreated for years -due to my levels & nodule size) my TSH was at 76! Sopossed to be at under 4 (although more & more docs are saying you need to be at 2 or under now, as I am-what a difference!) my antibodies with implants were at 1100 (peroxidase) sopossed to be under 2, and my thyroglublin levels were at 12,000 - sopossed to be under 2 as well! I was the highest case of the year out of all the patients when seen by a specialist at University of Chicago. And since removing my implants, taking live cultures every day, (as the Hashimots attack is widely known to be triggered by a fungal/bacterial infection as I, and many other women have due to saline implants )and in cutting out yeast that feeds these infections(breads/starches) and sugar, my levels 2 months ago were at 70 & 90! The old docs were stunned! You can reverse it! I am on my way! They told me the #'s would never go away, I would have this for life! And I would probably have thyroid cancer down the road! Don't sit back and "take" this disease, and let it run it course. Find out what is triggering the attack, make an end to it, and give your body all the healing agents we have(fruits.veggies/supplements/exercise if needed) Your implants are the cause, no matter what anyone tells you! Look at me, I am almost in remission since two months since explant, and I was one of the worst cases seen that year! I even have been dealing with a nodule due to the hashimtos attack, that has never shrunk in the last year, until the explant. Definitly read at least the "How I reversed my Hashimtos" and Thyroid for Dummies" or "Living well with Thyoid disease". these books help alot. And everything that healed the man in "How I healed my Hashimtos" is the exact diet my holisitic doc has me on. Go to his site, and type in thyoid, you'll see! www. Mercola.com. hope this helps! Get them out!!!! If you have any questions, you can call me at 708 672 0469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Lani, If you have Hashimoto's, you must be put on thyroid meds, and you will most likely have to take them the rest of your life. That is what my endo told me; however Dr. Mercola has suggested that Hashimoto's can be reversed, and one man has written a book on how he reversed his Hashimoto's. Anyway, it means that your thyroid gland is being attacked by your own body. It is an autoimmune disease, and when the thyroid gland is being attacked, you need to replenish the thyroid hormone since its production is lowered. Thyroid hormones that are taken are either natural or synthetic....I highly recommend that if you ask for thyroid medicine to help you feel better, that you ask for strictly the natural hormones first, such as Armour or Biothroid. Don't let them bully you into taking the synthetics first. Synthetics are usually T4 only, but you need T3 and T4. The natural thyroid meds supply this. I am surprised your docs told you what they did. How strange. I think I'd get another opinion, since Hashimoto's really should be treated. (I have been diagnosed, but probably several years too late! I suffered a long time unneccessarily.) Take care, Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Lani Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Hashimotos Im sitting here reading all these messages on hashimotos and sounds like everyone is taking something for it They told me i have it but there is nothing they can give me for it , I had 2 very good respectable doctors tell me that, Can anyone tell me what are some of the meds they are on . and what there symptoms are. Thanyou in advance lani ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Hi Patty, Thankyou for your reply , however I have had several opinions and they all have told me the same thing, plus i dont feel bad, the only symptom i have is that its hard for me to loose weigh. That could be because of age. The reason why they tell me that is cause i have no other symptoms and its not severe. they used other terms and went into a long process of explaining but if u have hash,. not always are u put on meds, it has to be at a certain level before they do. From what i understand, i go to the best doctor there is on it. lani -------Original Message------- From: Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:35:40 PM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Lani, If you have Hashimoto's, you must be put on thyroid meds, and you will most likely have to take them the rest of your life. That is what my endo told me; however Dr. Mercola has suggested that Hashimoto's can be reversed, and one man has written a book on how he reversed his Hashimoto's. Anyway, it means that your thyroid gland is being attacked by your own body. It is an autoimmune disease, and when the thyroid gland is being attacked, you need to replenish the thyroid hormone since its production is lowered. Thyroid hormones that are taken are either natural or synthetic....I highly recommend that if you ask for thyroid medicine to help you feel better, that you ask for strictly the natural hormones first, such as Armour or Biothroid. Don't let them bully you into taking the synthetics first. Synthetics are usually T4 only, but you need T3 and T4. The natural thyroid meds supply this. I am surprised your docs told you what they did. How strange. I think I'd get another opinion, since Hashimoto's really should be treated. (I have been diagnosed, but probably several years too late! I suffered a long time unneccessarily.) Take care, Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Lani Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Hashimotos Im sitting here reading all these messages on hashimotos and sounds like everyone is taking something for it They told me i have it but there is nothing they can give me for it , I had 2 very good respectable doctors tell me that, Can anyone tell me what are some of the meds they are on . and what there symptoms are. Thanyou in advance lani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Are you going to take her advice and get treated by a holistic doc and get the implants out? I think if you have an autoimmune disease you need to do something....obviously, you have a disease because something is out of whack. The old addage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" certainly does not apply in your case, because something is wrong! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Lani Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:15 AM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Hi patty, I didnt get to julies email yet when i wrote u but she couldnt of explained it better, im not knowledge that much on it as i should be, probably because i have no symptoms. lani thankyou julie -------Original Message------- From: Date: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:09:29 AM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Patty ,sometimes I have heard that it is a common practice amoung the old time docs, that in the beginnig stages of Hashimoto's, when the thyroid gland is still producing enough thyroid, as it hasn't been damaged to that point yet- and esp.when her bloodwork isnt showing that she is hypothyroid yet, they won't treat her with meds. As long as they see that Tsh level is ok, they tell the patient there is nothing they can do. When in all actuality there is, she must find an endrocrinologist or a holisitic doc, that believes this is important to treat her, even though her levels are fine. Esp. if Lani is showing hypo symptoms. Lani, this is for you, if your tests are showing you arent hypothyroid yet, first I would get natural meds from a specialist, and I would get those implants out in a second! You are in the early stages of the hashimotos attack which is good, and this can be easily reversed! More so in your case, than in mine. I have had Hashimtos so bad,(and speculated untreated for years -due to my levels & nodule size) my TSH was at 76! Sopossed to be at under 4 (although more & more docs are saying you need to be at 2 or under now, as I am-what a difference!) my antibodies with implants were at 1100 (peroxidase) sopossed to be under 2, and my thyroglublin levels were at 12,000 - sopossed to be under 2 as well! I was the highest case of the year out of all the patients when seen by a specialist at University of Chicago. And since removing my implants, taking live cultures every day, (as the Hashimots attack is widely known to be triggered by a fungal/bacterial infection as I, and many other women have due to saline implants )and in cutting out yeast that feeds these infections(breads/starches) and sugar, my levels 2 months ago were at 70 & 90! The old docs were stunned! You can reverse it! I am on my way! They told me the #'s would never go away, I would have this for life! And I would probably have thyroid cancer down the road! Don't sit back and "take" this disease, and let it run it course. Find out what is triggering the attack, make an end to it, and give your body all the healing agents we have(fruits.veggies/supplements/exercise if needed) Your implants are the cause, no matter what anyone tells you! Look at me, I am almost in remission since two months since explant, and I was one of the worst cases seen that year! I even have been dealing with a nodule due to the hashimtos attack, that has never shrunk in the last year, until the explant. Definitly read at least the "How I reversed my Hashimtos" and Thyroid for Dummies" or "Living well with Thyoid disease". these books help alot. And everything that healed the man in "How I healed my Hashimtos" is the exact diet my holisitic doc has me on. Go to his site, and type in thyoid, you'll see! www. Mercola.com. hope this helps! Get them out!!!! If you have any questions, you can call me at 708 672 0469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 lANI yOU KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT HOW YOUR NOT SICK BUT YOU STILL HAVE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS, TRUST ME IT WILL CATCH UP WITH YOU, THEN YOU WILL BE WISHING YOU HAD JUST GOT THIS OVER WITH SOONER. fORGET ABOUT SAVING FOR ALL THAT SURGERY, JUST GET THE IMPLANTS OUT AND GET A GOOD LIFT, THAT IS THE MAIN THING. i WANT A TUMMY TUCH TOO BUT I AM NOT DOING IT RIGHT NOW, I NEED TO GET FINANCIALLY STABLE FIRST, SOMEDAY. ANYHOW WE CARE, THAT IS WHY WE ARE TELLING YOU, YOUR LUCKY THAT IT WENT AWAY THIS TIME, NEXT TIME YOU MIGHT NOT BE SO LUCKY ----- Original Message ----- From: Lani Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Hashimotos HI PATT, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM GONNA DO . MY INSURANCE WILL PAY FOR THE EXPLANT BUT THEN I THINK THE SKIN WILL BE TOO STRETCH OUT SO I WILL NEED SOME KIND OF CONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY AND I WANT TO GET A TUMMY TUCK CAUSE MY LAST KID DID ME IN....I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE THEN NO MORE SURGERYS FOR ME. SO IT ALL DEPENDS HOW MUCH MONEY I CAN SAVE AND HOW FAST. I HOPING FOR NEXT FALL I SHOULD HAVE IT SAVED BY THEN. AS FAR AS A HOLISTIC DOC . WELL I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KIND OF DOCTOR THAT IS OR HOW TO FIND ONE, HOWEVER I PLAN ON GOING TO MY THYROID DOC AND ASKING TO BE PUT ON SOMETHING. AND IF HE WONT THEN I PLAN ON GOING TO THE RHEUMY AND ASKING HIM I KNOW HE WILL. THE PART THAT KILLS ME IS IM NOT SICK ANYMORE AND I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW I COULD OF BEEN SO SICK AND NOW NOTHING, DONT GET ME WRONG IM NOT COMPLAINING ITS JUST HARD TO UNDERSTAND. THANKYOU FOR YOUR REPLY LANI -------Original Message------- From: Date: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:16:57 PM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Are you going to take her advice and get treated by a holistic doc and get the implants out? I think if you have an autoimmune disease you need to do something....obviously, you have a disease because something is out of whack. The old addage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" certainly does not apply in your case, because something is wrong! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Lani Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:15 AM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Hi patty, I didnt get to julies email yet when i wrote u but she couldnt of explained it better, im not knowledge that much on it as i should be, probably because i have no symptoms. lani thankyou julie -------Original Message------- From: Date: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:09:29 AM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Patty ,sometimes I have heard that it is a common practice amoung the old time docs, that in the beginnig stages of Hashimoto's, when the thyroid gland is still producing enough thyroid, as it hasn't been damaged to that point yet- and esp.when her bloodwork isnt showing that she is hypothyroid yet, they won't treat her with meds. As long as they see that Tsh level is ok, they tell the patient there is nothing they can do. When in all actuality there is, she must find an endrocrinologist or a holisitic doc, that believes this is important to treat her, even though her levels are fine. Esp. if Lani is showing hypo symptoms. Lani, this is for you, if your tests are showing you arent hypothyroid yet, first I would get natural meds from a specialist, and I would get those implants out in a second! You are in the early stages of the hashimotos attack which is good, and this can be easily reversed! More so in your case, than in mine. I have had Hashimtos so bad,(and speculated untreated for years -due to my levels & nodule size) my TSH was at 76! Sopossed to be at under 4 (although more & more docs are saying you need to be at 2 or under now, as I am-what a difference!) my antibodies with implants were at 1100 (peroxidase) sopossed to be under 2, and my thyroglublin levels were at 12,000 - sopossed to be under 2 as well! I was the highest case of the year out of all the patients when seen by a specialist at University of Chicago. And since removing my implants, taking live cultures every day, (as the Hashimots attack is widely known to be triggered by a fungal/bacterial infection as I, and many other women have due to saline implants )and in cutting out yeast that feeds these infections(breads/starches) and sugar, my levels 2 months ago were at 70 & 90! The old docs were stunned! You can reverse it! I am on my way! They told me the #'s would never go away, I would have this for life! And I would probably have thyroid cancer down the road! Don't sit back and "take" this disease, and let it run it course. Find out what is triggering the attack, make an end to it, and give your body all the healing agents we have(fruits.veggies/supplements/exercise if needed) Your implants are the cause, no matter what anyone tells you! Look at me, I am almost in remission since two months since explant, and I was one of the worst cases seen that year! I even have been dealing with a nodule due to the hashimtos attack, that has never shrunk in the last year, until the explant. Definitly read at least the "How I reversed my Hashimtos" and Thyroid for Dummies" or "Living well with Thyoid disease". these books help alot. And everything that healed the man in "How I healed my Hashimtos" is the exact diet my holisitic doc has me on. Go to his site, and type in thyoid, you'll see! www. Mercola.com. hope this helps! Get them out!!!! If you have any questions, you can call me at 708 672 0469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Patty: Beware of some of these docs. I'm afraid I got taken....big time. I'll talk about it after I chill out. LM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 A holistic doctor is one who practices natural medicine, or holistic medicine. It is the practice of medicine that existed before allopathic medicine, and which is now coming back into favor due to the horrible side effects many experience from the myriad of drugs that are prescribed by the pill pushers. It is not usually covered by insurance. It is the only kind of medicine I myself will be treated by. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Lani Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Hashimotos HI PATT, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM GONNA DO . MY INSURANCE WILL PAY FOR THE EXPLANT BUT THEN I THINK THE SKIN WILL BE TOO STRETCH OUT SO I WILL NEED SOME KIND OF CONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY AND I WANT TO GET A TUMMY TUCK CAUSE MY LAST KID DID ME IN....I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE THEN NO MORE SURGERYS FOR ME. SO IT ALL DEPENDS HOW MUCH MONEY I CAN SAVE AND HOW FAST. I HOPING FOR NEXT FALL I SHOULD HAVE IT SAVED BY THEN. AS FAR AS A HOLISTIC DOC . WELL I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KIND OF DOCTOR THAT IS OR HOW TO FIND ONE, HOWEVER I PLAN ON GOING TO MY THYROID DOC AND ASKING TO BE PUT ON SOMETHING. AND IF HE WONT THEN I PLAN ON GOING TO THE RHEUMY AND ASKING HIM I KNOW HE WILL. THE PART THAT KILLS ME IS IM NOT SICK ANYMORE AND I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW I COULD OF BEEN SO SICK AND NOW NOTHING, DONT GET ME WRONG IM NOT COMPLAINING ITS JUST HARD TO UNDERSTAND. THANKYOU FOR YOUR REPLY LANI -------Original Message------- From: Date: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:16:57 PM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Are you going to take her advice and get treated by a holistic doc and get the implants out? I think if you have an autoimmune disease you need to do something....obviously, you have a disease because something is out of whack. The old addage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" certainly does not apply in your case, because something is wrong! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Lani Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:15 AM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Hi patty, I didnt get to julies email yet when i wrote u but she couldnt of explained it better, im not knowledge that much on it as i should be, probably because i have no symptoms. lani thankyou julie -------Original Message------- From: Date: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:09:29 AM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Patty ,sometimes I have heard that it is a common practice amoung the old time docs, that in the beginnig stages of Hashimoto's, when the thyroid gland is still producing enough thyroid, as it hasn't been damaged to that point yet- and esp.when her bloodwork isnt showing that she is hypothyroid yet, they won't treat her with meds. As long as they see that Tsh level is ok, they tell the patient there is nothing they can do. When in all actuality there is, she must find an endrocrinologist or a holisitic doc, that believes this is important to treat her, even though her levels are fine. Esp. if Lani is showing hypo symptoms. Lani, this is for you, if your tests are showing you arent hypothyroid yet, first I would get natural meds from a specialist, and I would get those implants out in a second! You are in the early stages of the hashimotos attack which is good, and this can be easily reversed! More so in your case, than in mine. I have had Hashimtos so bad,(and speculated untreated for years -due to my levels & nodule size) my TSH was at 76! Sopossed to be at under 4 (although more & more docs are saying you need to be at 2 or under now, as I am-what a difference!) my antibodies with implants were at 1100 (peroxidase) sopossed to be under 2, and my thyroglublin levels were at 12,000 - sopossed to be under 2 as well! I was the highest case of the year out of all the patients when seen by a specialist at University of Chicago. And since removing my implants, taking live cultures every day, (as the Hashimots attack is widely known to be triggered by a fungal/bacterial infection as I, and many other women have due to saline implants )and in cutting out yeast that feeds these infections(breads/starches) and sugar, my levels 2 months ago were at 70 & 90! The old docs were stunned! You can reverse it! I am on my way! They told me the #'s would never go away, I would have this for life! And I would probably have thyroid cancer down the road! Don't sit back and "take" this disease, and let it run it course. Find out what is triggering the attack, make an end to it, and give your body all the healing agents we have(fruits.veggies/supplements/exercise if needed) Your implants are the cause, no matter what anyone tells you! Look at me, I am almost in remission since two months since explant, and I was one of the worst cases seen that year! I even have been dealing with a nodule due to the hashimtos attack, that has never shrunk in the last year, until the explant. Definitly read at least the "How I reversed my Hashimtos" and Thyroid for Dummies" or "Living well with Thyoid disease". these books help alot. And everything that healed the man in "How I healed my Hashimtos" is the exact diet my holisitic doc has me on. Go to his site, and type in thyoid, you'll see! www. Mercola.com. hope this helps! Get them out!!!! If you have any questions, you can call me at 708 672 0469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Believe me, I know LM, I've been to a number of them and read many books, visited many websites, consulted with them. I believe alot of them jump on a particular bandwagon and trumpet "magic bullets" in order to sell products. The last one I went to here in Vegas told me I should think about getting HGH injections, as he tested me and said I was low in this hormone. Well, well, well, should I have been surprised? All I can say is no way! It is hugely expensive and controversial, although anti-agers tout many benefits. As with ANY medical advice, I say get involved in your own health care, stay informed, and be wise. I go in, get what I need and politely decline the other stuff. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: perlesetlacet@... Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Hashimotos Patty:Beware of some of these docs. I'm afraid I got taken....big time. I'll talk about it after I chill out.LM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Sara, You wrote: > ... Anyway, I have recently read some recearch that a mothers > antibodies could bind to brain protein in a developing fetus and > disrupt brain development. Any state which activates cytokine interleukin-6 can disrupt brain development. This includes all autoimmune conditions as well as more mundane infections and environmental toxins, not just Hashimoto's. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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