Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 I'll be hogtied if I can figure out how we'd afford surgery, other than having him accrue the full bill and then just declaring bankruptcy. Sara, is it possible for your friend to get a medical card from welfare? I don't know how it works in Michigan, but yesterday I was talking to someone who works here (in PA) in the welfare office. She said if someone has an operation and can't afford to pay, they should then go down to Social Services (Welfare), apply for a medical card and more than likely will get it and it will retroactively pay for the operation. Check into it. I don't know your friend's financial/job situation. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Sara, I've lived long enough to learn the following: What goes around comes around (good or bad) Do unto others as you would have them do to you And lastly, God takes care of those who take care of others.. These 3 things have proven themselves time and time again in my life... sometimes it takes a while to see the results... but know that it will be done. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen "what goes around, comes around" And I truly believe that there is a reason for everything that happens... even if you have alot of "bad stuff" happening to you... someday you will see the "why" of it I can't begin to tell you all that I went thru and finally realized I had to go thru it just to get to where I could meet the man I'm married to today... If I had not had all the "bad stuff" I would never have been in the area I was and would not have met him (even though he drove by the house I grew up in on many ocassion in the past). Suzi Suzi Sara Thustra <sara.thustra@...> wrote: I can't get over you guys! If there's one thing I REALLY hope I get from you, I hope it's a lesson -- I want to learn to be as awesome to total strangers as you are! -STRoni Slye wrote:> I will send,> comfrey> licorice> lobelia> echinacea> > Wish you the best Sara> > Love,> Roni> > */Suzanne <suziesgoats@...>/* wrote:> > Thank you ,> and yes I understand what you are going thru..> I think I can send you> chamomile> peppermint> some teas> some nettle> slippery elm> possibly some of the others..> Suzi> > > */Sara Thustra <sara.thustra@...>/* wrote:> > Okay guys, that was...truly astounding. I will try, but it> might take> me a week or two to return all the *amazingly* supportive and> generous> replies I got to my despairing rant.> > (If you're just interested in Suzi's Answers, please skip to the> bottom... > > And I apologize deeply for that rant, too. I usually try very> hard not> to be negative, but lately it's been more difficult than I can ever> remember. Because I feel that I owe a quick explanation -- I> have a> 21-month-old baby, and she and I fled our house and filed for> divorce> (violence-related) last January. I was married to my best> friend for> almost four years, and it was crushing to have to leave him because> myself and his baby weren't worth learning to control his temper> over.> (We are actually getting along okay, now, though...isn't that> funny!) I> lost my job two months later, and for a while we had no home and> were> living on people's couches (funny..."couch surfing" used to be> fun to> me, but it's SO not fun with a baby!). My mother was kind> enough to> give up her apartment and get a smaller one with me and the baby> -- I> owe an insane lot to my mother; without her I don't know where> we'd be.> Well, the tech market (I'm a professional geek, by trade) is> absolutely HORRID right now thanks to Bush and some slick> legislation> that's sending all our jobs overseas, so for six months I> couldn't find> a job *anywhere* (because when professionals lose their jobs,> they take> all the non-professional jobs too...seriously, Mc's around> here> isn't hiring!). Two months ago I managed to get part-time work> as a> cashier. It's not enough, not even close, but at least it lets> me buy> my own gas and contribute a little to the bills my mom is> paying. Still> job-hunting; still no luck.> > And now this lovely friend of mine, the sweetest guy I've ever> known and> the *only* friend who still talked to me after my divorce (all> the other> ones, every single one, sided with my husband and refused to> speak to> me), is sick. He's gradually become my boyfriend over about six> very,> very slow months. I love him to death, and so does my daughter,> and I> can't bear seeing him in pain all the time.> > It just feels like too much sometimes; the good AND the bad. > I'm sorry> it took me so long to reply, by the way, but I've been having panic> attacks and I felt that taking a few days off email would be wise.> > Anyway, we live near Detroit, and as much as this is my home, I> was born> and raised here, some days I *really* hate it. People can be> amazingly> closed-minded, in and out of the city itself, and there's just> about no> public programs (other than drug-rehab, which is everywhere) --> the Big> Three have bled this whole area dry and grey, basically. So to> all the> questions about free clinics and local naturopaths and friendly> churches> and whatnot...gods, I wish. If there's anything like that near> Detroit,> it's probably in hiding from the Unwashed Politicians. > > Now, Suzi's answers, and thank you in advance to anyone who can> help us.> I already feel indebted to this group for how amazingly> supportive> you've been with all my questions and putting up with my depression> lately...I know I'm gonna have to find a way to repay this one, big> time. Hmm...> > Anyway,> 1 - What "tea" herbs were you looking for?> > It would be really nice to have chamomile again; I ran out of> that a> while ago. All my other teas were lost in the move (after i> left the> house, the ex went through and just destroyed everything, pretty> much).> Peppermint would be great, too...and just about anything that's> actually a decent-tasting herbal tea, because I can't buy those> here> (except online, which I can't afford), so all I have to drink is> the> black & green teas you get in the grocery store. These, as well as> coffee, really upset my friend's stomach, so I'm always looking for> herbal tea I can make him, especially if it's calming for bad> nerves> and/or soothing to the stomach.> > 2 - What herbs do you have on hand?> > I have a little bit of echinacea & slippery elm left; they're> old but> seem to be okay still. I get fresh garlic & onions, though not> organic,> at the grocery store. I have mullein, cayenne, mung beans, cloves,> calendula root, tea tree oil, and black walnut hulls from> before, as> well as some of the "basics" like beeswax, glycerin, etc. I> know that's> not much, but I really lost most of it, and everything else, when I> moved. *argh*> > 3 - What herbs were you looking for?> > Oh, wow. I know I think almost every day that I wish I had> comfrey,> licorice, chamomile, fenugreek, peppermint, more echinacea,> lobelia,> marshmallow (I know slippery elm is hard to find, but I've heard> marshmallow root works good in its place), nettles...at this> point, I> would take anything that anybody wants to get rid of,> basically! If I> don't have a recipe, I'll find one. > > 4 - What is your mailing addy?> > 8245 Valley View Circle, #128-B> Westland, MI 48185> > 5 - How old is the baby?> > Heh, she's 21 months, as I said above. But because you all> deserve as> much cuteness as she can spare (and she's got loads to spare!),> here's> her pictures: http://www.pbase.com/llhm1/marien . She's all> kinds of> godsent for me; as much as having her made this whole ordeal> harder, I> also don't think I could have gotten through it without her!> > I have an appointment for my buddy at the closest thing to a> free clinic> we could find, for a week from this Wednesday. His stomach> still hurts> him all the time, but it's not debilitating as long as he stays> away> from caffeinated drinks (I have no idea why, but hey; if it> works--!).> The clinic tells me I need to bring $50-100 with me, though it> might not> cost that much...I don't know; he needs x-rays at least, so it'll> probably cost more...but I'll show up regardless of whether I> have the> money and see if someone will be kind and cut us a deal. Suzi's> absolutely right; this has gone on too long, and we need to know> what> his problem is so that it can be treated. I really, really hope> it's> not a hiatal hernia (though Don's right; it sounds like that to> me too),> because I'll be hogtied if I can figure out how we'd afford> surgery,> other than having him accrue the full bill and then just declaring> bankruptcy.> > Oh well, enough of that. THANK YOU a thousand times to everyone> who had> an offer or a kind word; I can't get over that, and I owe you> all big> time. (Heh, if you're ever in MI and need a computer fixed--!) > I will> try, if I get time, to answer more of the emails individually.> > THANKS again!!> > -ST> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Sara Thustra wrote: > I can't get over you guys! If there's one thing I REALLY hope I get > from you, I hope it's a lesson -- I want to learn to be as awesome to > total strangers as you are! -ST > =============================== But Sara, you are not a total stranger. We are all family here. All of us, each with our own little quirks, qaurks and quacks. We are all just a small unit in the family of man. We're all related spiritually. As Suzi said and I mentioned previously, what goes around comes around. You owe us nothing. You owe yourself and your family. You will pay this back by helping someone else, some day, who is in dire need. We all have our moments of despair. Don't think for a minute that there is someone on this list who has never despaired at some point in their life. Your young and you are getting an education in life. There are the things that should be taught before a person goes out into the world and unfortunately they aren't taught most anywhere except by those who homeschool their children. At least so they will be a little more prepared with some knowledge. This experience you have been going through is going to make you much stronger and better able to handle what you have chosen in your life. All that's happening to you is for a reason. I have no doubt that when the time comes, for you to put all you have learned to use, you will have little trouble rising to the challenge. You have an adorable little person who just loves you no matter what. She has a mother who has a pretty good head on her shoulders. She will be well taken care of, no doubt in my mind. I admire your tenacity to hang in there and continue to fight Sara. It takes a lot of courage and strength to continue in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds. Your a survivor and a winner. Peace be with you Sara, your daughter, mother and new SO as well. There will be much brighter days ahead. -- Peace, love and light, Don Quai " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Hi Sara, There have been many people who have helped me out when I was experiencing difficult times, this is a way of giving a little back. It really is my pleasure. I completely agree with what Don and Susie have said, and they said it much better than I could have. Love, Roni Love > > > > Okay guys, that was...truly astounding. I will try, but it > > might take > > me a week or two to return all the *amazingly* supportive and > > generous > > replies I got to my despairing rant. > > > > (If you're just interested in Suzi's Answers, please skip to the > > bottom... > > > > And I apologize deeply for that rant, too. I usually try very > > hard not > > to be negative, but lately it's been more difficult than I can ever > > remember. Because I feel that I owe a quick explanation -- I > > have a > > 21-month-old baby, and she and I fled our house and filed for > > divorce > > (violence-related) last January. I was married to my best > > friend for > > almost four years, and it was crushing to have to leave him because > > myself and his baby weren't worth learning to control his temper > > over. > > (We are actually getting along okay, now, though...isn't that > > funny!) I > > lost my job two months later, and for a while we had no home and > > were > > living on people's couches (funny... " couch surfing " used to be > > fun to > > me, but it's SO not fun with a baby!). My mother was kind > > enough to > > give up her apartment and get a smaller one with me and the baby > > -- I > > owe an insane lot to my mother; without her I don't know where > > we'd be. > > Well, the tech market (I'm a professional geek, by trade) is > > absolutely HORRID right now thanks to Bush and some slick > > legislation > > that's sending all our jobs overseas, so for six months I > > couldn't find > > a job *anywhere* (because when professionals lose their jobs, > > they take > > all the non-professional jobs too...seriously, Mc's around > > here > > isn't hiring!). Two months ago I managed to get part- time work > > as a > > cashier. It's not enough, not even close, but at least it lets > > me buy > > my own gas and contribute a little to the bills my mom is > > paying. Still > > job-hunting; still no luck. > > > > And now this lovely friend of mine, the sweetest guy I've ever > > known and > > the *only* friend who still talked to me after my divorce (all > > the other > > ones, every single one, sided with my husband and refused to > > speak to > > me), is sick. He's gradually become my boyfriend over about six > > very, > > very slow months. I love him to death, and so does my daughter, > > and I > > can't bear seeing him in pain all the time. > > > > It just feels like too much sometimes; the good AND the bad. > > I'm sorry > > it took me so long to reply, by the way, but I've been having panic > > attacks and I felt that taking a few days off email would be wise. > > > > Anyway, we live near Detroit, and as much as this is my home, I > > was born > > and raised here, some days I *really* hate it. People can be > > amazingly > > closed-minded, in and out of the city itself, and there's just > > about no > > public programs (other than drug-rehab, which is everywhere) -- > > the Big > > Three have bled this whole area dry and grey, basically. So to > > all the > > questions about free clinics and local naturopaths and friendly > > churches > > and whatnot...gods, I wish. If there's anything like that near > > Detroit, > > it's probably in hiding from the Unwashed Politicians. > > > > Now, Suzi's answers, and thank you in advance to anyone who can > > help us. > > I already feel indebted to this group for how amazingly > > supportive > > you've been with all my questions and putting up with my depression > > lately...I know I'm gonna have to find a way to repay this one, big > > time. Hmm... > > > > Anyway, > > 1 - What " tea " herbs were you looking for? > > > > It would be really nice to have chamomile again; I ran out of > > that a > > while ago. All my other teas were lost in the move (after i > > left the > > house, the ex went through and just destroyed everything, pretty > > much). > > Peppermint would be great, too...and just about anything that's > > actually a decent-tasting herbal tea, because I can't buy those > > here > > (except online, which I can't afford), so all I have to drink is > > the > > black & green teas you get in the grocery store. These, as well as > > coffee, really upset my friend's stomach, so I'm always looking for > > herbal tea I can make him, especially if it's calming for bad > > nerves > > and/or soothing to the stomach. > > > > 2 - What herbs do you have on hand? > > > > I have a little bit of echinacea & slippery elm left; they're > > old but > > seem to be okay still. I get fresh garlic & onions, though not > > organic, > > at the grocery store. I have mullein, cayenne, mung beans, cloves, > > calendula root, tea tree oil, and black walnut hulls from > > before, as > > well as some of the " basics " like beeswax, glycerin, etc. I > > know that's > > not much, but I really lost most of it, and everything else, when I > > moved. *argh* > > > > 3 - What herbs were you looking for? > > > > Oh, wow. I know I think almost every day that I wish I had > > comfrey, > > licorice, chamomile, fenugreek, peppermint, more echinacea, > > lobelia, > > marshmallow (I know slippery elm is hard to find, but I've heard > > marshmallow root works good in its place), nettles...at this > > point, I > > would take anything that anybody wants to get rid of, > > basically! If I > > don't have a recipe, I'll find one. > > > > 4 - What is your mailing addy? > > > > 8245 Valley View Circle, #128-B > > Westland, MI 48185 > > > > 5 - How old is the baby? > > > > Heh, she's 21 months, as I said above. But because you all > > deserve as > > much cuteness as she can spare (and she's got loads to spare!), > > here's > > her pictures: http://www.pbase.com/llhm1/marien . She's all > > kinds of > > godsent for me; as much as having her made this whole ordeal > > harder, I > > also don't think I could have gotten through it without her! > > > > I have an appointment for my buddy at the closest thing to a > > free clinic > > we could find, for a week from this Wednesday. His stomach > > still hurts > > him all the time, but it's not debilitating as long as he stays > > away > > from caffeinated drinks (I have no idea why, but hey; if it > > works--!). > > The clinic tells me I need to bring $50-100 with me, though it > > might not > > cost that much...I don't know; he needs x-rays at least, so it'll > > probably cost more...but I'll show up regardless of whether I > > have the > > money and see if someone will be kind and cut us a deal. Suzi's > > absolutely right; this has gone on too long, and we need to know > > what > > his problem is so that it can be treated. I really, really hope > > it's > > not a hiatal hernia (though Don's right; it sounds like that to > > me too), > > because I'll be hogtied if I can figure out how we'd afford > > surgery, > > other than having him accrue the full bill and then just declaring > > bankruptcy. > > > > Oh well, enough of that. THANK YOU a thousand times to everyone > > who had > > an offer or a kind word; I can't get over that, and I owe you > > all big > > time. (Heh, if you're ever in MI and need a computer fixed--!) > > I will > > try, if I get time, to answer more of the emails individually. > > > > THANKS again!! > > > > -ST > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I just thought of something I should have said long ago *slaps myself* Catnip tea! It is very gentle and helped my hubby through a similar illness. Also pretty darn cheap to get ;-) What I did was infuse it in a big sun tea jar all day. 3 heaping tablespoons of catnip and 2 chammomile. I am gonna see what I can get together for you sweetie, hang in there. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: " Sara Thustra " <sara.thustra@...> <health > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: Sara and her Friend > > Okay guys, that was...truly astounding. I will try, but it might take > me a week or two to return all the *amazingly* supportive and generous > replies I got to my despairing rant. > > (If you're just interested in Suzi's Answers, please skip to the > bottom... > > And I apologize deeply for that rant, too. I usually try very hard not > to be negative, but lately it's been more difficult than I can ever > remember. Because I feel that I owe a quick explanation -- I have a > 21-month-old baby, and she and I fled our house and filed for divorce > (violence-related) last January. I was married to my best friend for > almost four years, and it was crushing to have to leave him because > myself and his baby weren't worth learning to control his temper over. > (We are actually getting along okay, now, though...isn't that funny!) I > lost my job two months later, and for a while we had no home and were > living on people's couches (funny... " couch surfing " used to be fun to > me, but it's SO not fun with a baby!). My mother was kind enough to > give up her apartment and get a smaller one with me and the baby -- I > owe an insane lot to my mother; without her I don't know where we'd be. > Well, the tech market (I'm a professional geek, by trade) is > absolutely HORRID right now thanks to Bush and some slick legislation > that's sending all our jobs overseas, so for six months I couldn't find > a job *anywhere* (because when professionals lose their jobs, they take > all the non-professional jobs too...seriously, Mc's around here > isn't hiring!). Two months ago I managed to get part-time work as a > cashier. It's not enough, not even close, but at least it lets me buy > my own gas and contribute a little to the bills my mom is paying. Still > job-hunting; still no luck. > > And now this lovely friend of mine, the sweetest guy I've ever known and > the *only* friend who still talked to me after my divorce (all the other > ones, every single one, sided with my husband and refused to speak to > me), is sick. He's gradually become my boyfriend over about six very, > very slow months. I love him to death, and so does my daughter, and I > can't bear seeing him in pain all the time. > > It just feels like too much sometimes; the good AND the bad. I'm sorry > it took me so long to reply, by the way, but I've been having panic > attacks and I felt that taking a few days off email would be wise. > > Anyway, we live near Detroit, and as much as this is my home, I was born > and raised here, some days I *really* hate it. People can be amazingly > closed-minded, in and out of the city itself, and there's just about no > public programs (other than drug-rehab, which is everywhere) -- the Big > Three have bled this whole area dry and grey, basically. So to all the > questions about free clinics and local naturopaths and friendly churches > and whatnot...gods, I wish. If there's anything like that near Detroit, > it's probably in hiding from the Unwashed Politicians. > > Now, Suzi's answers, and thank you in advance to anyone who can help us. > I already feel indebted to this group for how amazingly supportive > you've been with all my questions and putting up with my depression > lately...I know I'm gonna have to find a way to repay this one, big > time. Hmm... > > Anyway, > 1 - What " tea " herbs were you looking for? > > It would be really nice to have chamomile again; I ran out of that a > while ago. All my other teas were lost in the move (after i left the > house, the ex went through and just destroyed everything, pretty much). > Peppermint would be great, too...and just about anything that's > actually a decent-tasting herbal tea, because I can't buy those here > (except online, which I can't afford), so all I have to drink is the > black & green teas you get in the grocery store. These, as well as > coffee, really upset my friend's stomach, so I'm always looking for > herbal tea I can make him, especially if it's calming for bad nerves > and/or soothing to the stomach. > > 2 - What herbs do you have on hand? > > I have a little bit of echinacea & slippery elm left; they're old but > seem to be okay still. I get fresh garlic & onions, though not organic, > at the grocery store. I have mullein, cayenne, mung beans, cloves, > calendula root, tea tree oil, and black walnut hulls from before, as > well as some of the " basics " like beeswax, glycerin, etc. I know that's > not much, but I really lost most of it, and everything else, when I > moved. *argh* > > 3 - What herbs were you looking for? > > Oh, wow. I know I think almost every day that I wish I had comfrey, > licorice, chamomile, fenugreek, peppermint, more echinacea, lobelia, > marshmallow (I know slippery elm is hard to find, but I've heard > marshmallow root works good in its place), nettles...at this point, I > would take anything that anybody wants to get rid of, basically! If I > don't have a recipe, I'll find one. > > 4 - What is your mailing addy? > > 8245 Valley View Circle, #128-B > Westland, MI 48185 > > 5 - How old is the baby? > > Heh, she's 21 months, as I said above. But because you all deserve as > much cuteness as she can spare (and she's got loads to spare!), here's > her pictures: http://www.pbase.com/llhm1/marien . She's all kinds of > godsent for me; as much as having her made this whole ordeal harder, I > also don't think I could have gotten through it without her! > > I have an appointment for my buddy at the closest thing to a free clinic > we could find, for a week from this Wednesday. His stomach still hurts > him all the time, but it's not debilitating as long as he stays away > from caffeinated drinks (I have no idea why, but hey; if it works--!). > The clinic tells me I need to bring $50-100 with me, though it might not > cost that much...I don't know; he needs x-rays at least, so it'll > probably cost more...but I'll show up regardless of whether I have the > money and see if someone will be kind and cut us a deal. Suzi's > absolutely right; this has gone on too long, and we need to know what > his problem is so that it can be treated. I really, really hope it's > not a hiatal hernia (though Don's right; it sounds like that to me too), > because I'll be hogtied if I can figure out how we'd afford surgery, > other than having him accrue the full bill and then just declaring > bankruptcy. > > Oh well, enough of that. THANK YOU a thousand times to everyone who had > an offer or a kind word; I can't get over that, and I owe you all big > time. (Heh, if you're ever in MI and need a computer fixed--!) I will > try, if I get time, to answer more of the emails individually. > > THANKS again!! > > -ST > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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