Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 What about a laundry product too. A substitute for "Tide" would be good. I use Sun and Earth products. I can get them (laundry detergent, dish washing liquid, cleaner, etc) right in the grocery store. They are non-toxic and do a great job. For bleach I sometimes use a little Oxy-Clean in the wash load. I haven't used regular bleach for awhile. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Anne, There are recipes for laundry in the files under Household products..... hydrogen peroxide or borax .... SuziAnne Bird <irishfox@...> wrote: Hi Don,What is a healthy alternative to bleach for white cloths - beside not buying anything white?Right now, I only use the bleach in the laundry when I can have the doors open and the dogs and myself outside. Then I give the cloths another wash cycle to get the bleach out. People laugh at me but the fumes from the bleach really affect my lungs.What about a laundry product too. A substitute for "Tide" would be good.Thank you,AnneVA USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Wow! I didn't know bleach caused cancer. That's the end of that stuff here. Thanks for the info Don! Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: " Anne Bird " <irishfox@...> " Hawk-Health " <health > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: Bleach > > Hi Don, > What is a healthy alternative to bleach for white cloths - beside not > buying anything white? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I use about 1/2 cup washing soda and 1/2 cup 20 Mule Team Borax instead of soap. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiagoatclearing@... http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html ----- Original Message ----- From: MorningGlory113@... health Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:08 AM Subject: Re: Bleach What about a laundry product too. A substitute for "Tide" would be good.I use Sun and Earth products. I can get them (laundry detergent, dish washing liquid, cleaner, etc) right in the grocery store. They are non-toxic and do a great job. For bleach I sometimes use a little Oxy-Clean in the wash load. I haven't used regular bleach for awhile.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Arm & Hammer All Natural Super Washing Soda. Bright yellow box like the Arm & Hammer baking soda box. It is in the laundry additives section in many grocery stores. You can pull up more info on www.thelaundrybasket.com My mother used to soak difficult stains in Snowy Bleach which was sodium perborate. I have not seen it on the market in years, but it takes almost any stain out. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiagoatclearing@... http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne health Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Bleach Gayla, what is washing soda?? SuziGayla <goatclearing@...> wrote: I use about 1/2 cup washing soda and 1/2 cup 20 Mule Team Borax instead of soap. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiagoatclearing@... http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html ----- Original Message ----- From: MorningGlory113@... health Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:08 AM Subject: Re: Bleach What about a laundry product too. A substitute for "Tide" would be good.I use Sun and Earth products. I can get them (laundry detergent, dish washing liquid, cleaner, etc) right in the grocery store. They are non-toxic and do a great job. For bleach I sometimes use a little Oxy-Clean in the wash load. I haven't used regular bleach for awhile.Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Anne Bird wrote: > Hi Don, > What is a healthy alternative to bleach for white cloths - beside not > buying anything white? > Right now, I only use the bleach in the laundry when I can have the > doors open and the dogs and myself outside. Then I give the cloths > another wash cycle to get the bleach out. People laugh at me but the > fumes from the bleach really affect my lungs. > > What about a laundry product too. A substitute for " Tide " would be good. > > Thank you, > Anne > VA USA ========================= Hi Anne, Well my grandma used to use Bluing. I am not sure how healthy that was though. Bleach is really good for keeping whites white but is really, really hard on the fibers, as it is so caustic. Other good sources are hydrogen peroxide and borax for keeping whites white. A substitute for any laundry detergent? That would be good. Soap shavings used to be what our very recent ancestors used. Liquid castille soap works quite well. Dr. Bronners is what I have used in the past. Doesn't take too much either as this stuff really foams up. I cannot use bleach, and I really dislike being around it. Toooooooooo definitely not good for the lungs, skin, eyes, etc. -- Peace, love and light, Don Quai " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " -- In compliance with the highest standards of Universal Law, this email has been thoroughly disinfected and purified in the solar flares of the sun. Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.5.2 - Release Date: 12/13/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I use just plain borax for the most part, though use shavings from a homemade lye-based soap when it seems needed. Borax is not much more expensive than regular laundry soap, and really seems to " do the job " for the most part. Joy > A substitute for > any laundry detergent? That would be good. Soap shavings used to be what > our very recent ancestors used. Liquid castille soap works quite well. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 There are a couple of possible explanations why you feel better after using bleach. 1. Not all reactions are experienced in a negative way. Theron Randolph, considered the father of clinical ecology (a term no longer in favor) created a + and - scale of allergy. (all these complex reactions were called allergy 50 years ago). In his book " An Alternative Approach to Allergies " neutral was zero and was the preferred state. Reactions experienced in a negative way ranged from -1 through -4. Reactions experienced in a positive way ranged from +1 through +4. The end result either way was not good. Think about drinking alcohol, or eating lots of ice cream. (when we were still healthy enough to imbibe in those things!) 2. Some reactions shut down others. This is what identifies as masking. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee are great masks because they " hide " reactions to themselves and other substances. We feel better but any damage, if it is happening, continues. In her words, " Masking, which may blunt or eliminate responses to chemical challenges, appears to have several components: apposition, which is the overlapping of the effects of closely timed exposures, acclimatization or habituation, and addiction. " http://www.tldp.com/issue/210/toxicantin.htm Not everyone reacts in a + way to everything or to all combinations. Likewise, what is a mask for me may induce a severely noticable reaction in you. Individuality rears it complex head once again! Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach. > > I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand why > exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some > bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was gone. > Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized that > everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling with > more energy for a few hours after. > > Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous, and > even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time. > > I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling > isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it works > adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies. > > Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past experience > anyone has had in this group. > > > ------------------------------------ > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Rant on my friend. Im feelin ya all the way. I want to quit for my health but ya, thats kind of an oxy moron isnt it... Case stated well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 > > > > does she go into detail about the lesser of evils? and how really > > hard it would be to practice complete advoidence inless your rich > and > > have people waiting on you hand and foot. > > does she talk any about possable brain damage that may leave you > with > > somewhat compulsive addictive disorders that you didn't have before? > > > Wow, this sure got some responses - I loved reading them all. The one thing I should clarify was that I sprayed bleach on a basement floor where water had come in after the rain. It took a minute or two. I didn't spray it in my nose. I was actually using it to prohibit mold from growing as I have become very " mold " concerned as of recent. I have always used bleach for laundry, a little in dishwater, toilets, and other cleaning and it has always been a part of my life in that aspect. I tried spryaing it again on the flooor and then my deck and was not afraid, and was actually paying attention to my physical reaction which was, generally better a while after than it was before. It wasn't like a high feeling, and it wasn't extreme, it just gave me a little energy enabling me to move around a little more than I had been, as lately I am extremely exhausted after getting a full nights sleep. That is why I posted this question, I think, possibly the small amount of vapor I got may have actually helped to deter some of the bad toxins in my sinus area. I am still not sure it did anything but afte a few times of using the bleach I can't help but wonder if it didn't in some small way give me some relief. I agree with Who very much, there is no exact science to fixing medical problems, as individuals are different and organisms mutate. I do think we are missing a few things such as Hydrogen Peroxide and Boric Acid in our daily lives. Those are two products I have recently been reintroduced to. They are not patented, therfore the drug companies do not get a kick, but they are " Old School " medicines, anticeptics and can boric acid can even be used to prevent insects in your home. Thanks for all your responses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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