Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 > It's odd, I have never had anyone give me a hard time about what I > believe, my explaination would be too logical. Its not what they think you believe but what they think you want them to believe. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Oh well, all I can do is offer the occasional meal and hope that she likes it well enough to do it on her own. That is exactly right, Donna. I used to offer advice and it became frustrating when I absolutely knew something would help someone and they were so set in their ways that they never followed through. Years ago I took a macrobiotic cooking class and I'll always remember one woman who came to the first class. She had cancer and the doctors had given up on her. She had heard about some of the miracle cures from macrobiotics and changing her way of eating was her last resort. We learned to cook a delicious meal of whole grains and veggies and we all ate it at the end of the class. Afterwards I was talking to her and she said "There's no way I could eat this crap!" and she never came back to the class. I was absolutely speechless that a person with her condition was not going to give this her best shot. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Gloria, that reminds me of my son’s mother-in-law. She has lupus, and I have tried to tell her about the benefits of changing her diet (among other things) – and she tells me “Oh, I couldn’t live without my pizza, wings, ice cream, and cookies!†I have had so many incidents of trying to help people out to no avail. I cured my own severe carpal tunnel with one simple vitamin supplement, have told numerous people on the verge on an operation to try it, and, out of about 10 people, only one person took the advice. He was so freaked about getting his wrists cut that he immediately started taking the vitamin and gave it a shot. Needless to say in 3 weeks his carpal tunnel of 10 years was completely gone. (This guy was in such bad shape that even I was surprised it worked!). I think out of about 25 people I've offered any alternative healing suggestions to, he is the only one who was ready to give anything a try and follow through. I now keep my mouth shut. If they ask, I tell them what I know. If they don't ask, I just wish them well and hope everything works out for whatever they choose to do. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Hi Gloria, What supplement and how much? There was a study in Texas around 1970 (by a doctor) that proved that Vitamin B6 cured carpal tunnel. It cured 100% of the cases they tried it on. However, nowadays doctors, although they have heard about it, dismiss is as not being clinically proven and rarely tell their patients about it. Vitamin B6 is part of the B-complex and it is best to take all of the B's so that you don't offset the balance in your body. When I feel my carpal tunnel coming back (numb fingers, shooting electric pain) I take 100 mg. of a B100-Complex twice a day. I have already taken it up to 3 times a day. Within a few days I feel the pain and numbness leaving and usually within 3 weeks it's gone. Then I get lazy and forget to take any at all, and it comes back. My client (a big guy with severe symptoms..had to wear an arm brace) took 75 mg of a B-complex twice a day (total:150 mg) and his cleared up in 3 weeks. It's amazing stuff and it works! The B6 is the one that's doing the trick, but you really should take the whole B-complex family. B vitamins are water soluable and they won't hurt you in large doses. For carpal tunnel I would not take less than 150 milligrams of a B-Complex per day. The book I read said it can take up to 3 months to cure it, but I found that mine will go away within weeks. If I also take a couple milligrams of Vit. C everyday it seems to cure it even faster. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Hi Gloria! I have received a couple of emails from my sister. I had asked her the other day how she was feeling and if she felt she had her RA under control. She mentioned that she was fine unless she didn't take her medicine or if she tried to cut back on it. So I asked her if she had considered changing her diet. She said, " Last time I went to see Dr I had mentioned that you were into that stuff and she didn't think there really was anything that would help it. I can't remember exactly what she said but I did mention it. " Okay, it seems as though I may have gotten her attention. Now, I need to get her to do some research instead of taking her doctor's word as gospel! Donna --- In health , MorningGlory113@a... wrote: Hi Donna! > I'm sure giving your sister a raw food lunch would be very appetizing and > advantageous. What I am concerned about is that Rheumatoid Arthritis is an > auto-immune disease and, in order to facilitate healing, a very strict regimen > of cleansing, juicing, herbs, organic food and possibly body work would be > involved. Raw food would be fine, but I don't believe it alone would bring about a > cure. Dr. Schulze says curing the incurables is a full time job with 100% > commitment and, from what you've said, it doesn't sound as if your sister would > be interested enough to personally do what it takes. But I commend you for > doing what you can. All we can do is offer suggestions and people are either open > to it or not. > > Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 tempo33x wrote: > > > Many of these herbal remedies do work, but one has to seek out the > cause of the ailments, and eliminate them once and for all. =============================== This is very true. If you don't seek out and eliminate the cause all you will be doing is supplying a band-aid for the symptoms. -- Peace be with you, Don " Quai " Eitner " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " -- In compliance with the highest standards of Universal Law, this email has been thoroughly disinfected and purified in the solar flares of the sun. Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 > In fairness to " some " health care providers, I'm not so sure that > they " all " know that eating cooked food, etc. is bad for you. Hi Donna, I've mentioned before, for the past 2 - 3 years I've been hearing acupuncturists complain about people eating raw foods who shouldn't. I take that with a grain of salt. People who eat raw foods correctly and do well on them probably have no reason to seek acupuncture. The acupuncturists who have been complaining are only seeing the raw foods folk who have problems. I imagine people with heat issues like rheumatoid arthritis (inflammatory disease) probably would be more suited with raw foods. With osteoarthritis, the constitution might already be quite cool and raw foods might not be digested within the body's food transet time. A person with major deficiencies might not be able to generate enough digestive heat to digest food period. Folks who live in cold climates or dry climates or hot climates or damp climates all need to address the environmental factors as well as genetics and conditions presented by pathologies. Each person has to pay attention to what is happening and how they themself respond. Diet isn't one size fits all. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Might I start with questioning the word " complain " ...I never known any TCM practioner to " complain " about raw food.... I am around scores of them every single day. TCM is concerned with the digestibility and how much nutrition EACH patient is able to extract out of their food. How many acupuncturists are you speaking of? No offense to you, but I rather resent your blanket statement. My education (not to mention my history) included quite abit of 'alt. nutrition'. If a practitioner is not taking external climate conditions into consideration then there was a huge chunk of education missing ...it is one of the " 8 Principles " when looking at person in front of them. You are right about deficiencies....and some people have a difficult time on raw foods....be it their own misunderstanding or misapplication....or other physical factors. Plus, there is much more to consider about a person's life and lifestyle than just the moment that they are placing food in their mouths. RE: RA Traditional Chinese Medicine does not only deal with the heat issues of the joints. RA is an autoimmune disease and not just about joint inflammation. I won't go into the details but the wholly raw food diet is looked at for each individual. Like you say diet should be an individual decision....yet I seem to be getting that if someone does not eat raw then it they are somehow wrong. What a terrible thing to tell an ill patient. I would never complain about a person's eating habits. I will make suggestions according to the mental reality and the real world of the patient....suggestions that will show some success so they will have confidence in further advice. Often it must be a gradual, caring process. ANYONE who invalidates ANYONE else, esp. on something as basic as eating, has maniacal control problems, in my book. TCM looks at the individual in front of them. It may not only be the " raw " issue but the types of foods the person is eating. BTW: all foods also have their own energetics and actions upon the body. People come in consistently and say that their diet is healthy and that they eat well....while they are eating large amounts of dairy, breads, meat....or other types of foods that are deleterious to their condition. There is no attempt to step on anyone's food philosophies only to help balance the body back to a healthy condition. The food does not necessarily need to be cooked but it is important that the food be warm....not as important in the summer....more salad type food can be included. If you want to give any advice it would be to tell your friends to indicate that they are including warmed foods. And, yes when you want to force any type of philosophy on every single person on the planet without considering that there may be exceptions to your philosophy...be it raw foods or acupuncture...then it becomes a political issue .....a control issue.....all else and everyone else be damned. Everyone should make their own decisions...including if they don't care for the advice. To get angry or " complain " about not having your advice taken...is a personal problem having nothing to do with food. IMHO, Kit > > > In fairness to " some " health care providers, I'm not so sure that > > they " all " know that eating cooked food, etc. is bad for you. > > Hi Donna, > I've mentioned before, for the past 2 - 3 years I've been hearing > acupuncturists complain about people eating raw foods who shouldn't. > > I take that with a grain of salt. > People who eat raw foods correctly and do well on them probably have > no reason to seek acupuncture. The acupuncturists who have been > complaining are only seeing the raw foods folk who have problems. > > I imagine people with heat issues like rheumatoid arthritis > (inflammatory disease) probably would be more suited with raw foods. > With osteoarthritis, the constitution might already be quite cool and > raw foods might not be digested within the body's food transet time. > > A person with major deficiencies might not be able to generate enough > digestive heat to digest food period. > > Folks who live in cold climates or dry climates or hot climates or > damp climates all need to address the environmental factors as > well as genetics and conditions presented by pathologies. > > Each person has to pay attention to what is happening and how they > themself respond. Diet isn't one size fits all. > > Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 For help with Rheumatoid Arthritis please see this link... http://www.lupusrecoverydiet.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 > > My daughter just turned 17 and has just been recently diagnosed with > RA. She has been on methotrexate shots now for a month. At first, the > swelling and pain went down tremendously, but is back. I decided to > try to find something that would help us to learn more about > treatments, etc. I feel so helpless because I can't help her. > I am sorry to hear about your daughter... she is very young. I was diagnosed last year with RA, but have been dealing with the systems for years. Unfortunately, it took moving to a different state to have the doctors to make a diagnosis on me. Keep your chin up and just take care of yourself and your daughter. Ina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 General information about RA http://www.arc.org.uk/about_arth/booklets/6033/6033.htm I like the above link even though it is written in English rather than American. Spoon Theory – explaining RA to others http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/spoons.htm The spoon theory helps to understand how RA limits our abilities in sometimes unpredictable ways. Methotrexate usually takes several weeks to several months to really be effective. However, Prednisone or related drugs are usually effective for symptoms rather quickly but do little to slow or stop permanent joint damage, and have pretty bad side effects. Maybe your daughter was put on one of these or given a corticosteroid shot. Her feeling good and then feeling bad sounds more like temporary relief from a corticosteroid and then it wearing off. Of course, I’m not medically trained. Welcome to the site and we hope we can help with answers, humor, and moral support. I’ll pray for you and your daughter. God bless. From: Rheumatoid Arthritis [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of McKinney Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:52 AM Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: rheumatoid arthritis My daughter just turned 17 and has just been recently diagnosed with RA. She has been on methotrexate shots now for a month. At first, the swelling and pain went down tremendously, but is back. I decided to try to find something that would help us to learn more about treatments, etc. I feel so helpless because I can't help her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 She wasn't given a cortisone shot, by her first visit with the Rheumatologist some of the swelling had subsided. She showed me her hands this morning and was complaining of her ankles swelling again. She is so discouraged because she doesn't like shots AT ALL and it apparently hasn't built up enough in her system to really work. --- Harold Van Tuyl <hvantuyl@...> wrote: > General information about RA > > http://www.arc.org.uk/about_arth/booklets/6033/6033.htm > > > > > I like the above link even though it is written in > English rather than > American. > > > > Spoon Theory - explaining RA to others > > http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/spoons.htm > > > > The spoon theory helps to understand how RA limits > our abilities in > sometimes unpredictable ways. > > > > Methotrexate usually takes several weeks to several > months to really be > effective. However, Prednisone or related drugs are > usually effective for > symptoms rather quickly but do little to slow or > stop permanent joint > damage, and have pretty bad side effects. Maybe > your daughter was put on > one of these or given a corticosteroid shot. Her > feeling good and then > feeling bad sounds more like temporary relief from a > corticosteroid and then > it wearing off. Of course, I'm not medically > trained. > > > > Welcome to the site and we hope we can help with > answers, humor, and moral > support. I'll pray for you and your daughter. God > bless. > > > > _____ > > From: Rheumatoid Arthritis > [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On > Behalf Of McKinney > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:52 AM > Rheumatoid Arthritis > Subject: rheumatoid arthritis > > > > My daughter just turned 17 and has just been > recently diagnosed with > RA. She has been on methotrexate shots now for a > month. At first, the > swelling and pain went down tremendously, but is > back. I decided to > try to find something that would help us to learn > more about > treatments, etc. I feel so helpless because I can't > help her. > > ,___ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 she mentioned the enbrel on her first visit (which is the only one). We go back on Sept. 20th. Basically, they want to use the methotrexate first and go from there. I need to start making a list of questions to ask on that dr. visit. I had and Aunt and Uncle who were brother and sister who had RA. they were diagnosed young (not at 17 though). My Aunt went to a small town dr. (South Texas) and was on alot of experimental drugs. Needless to say, she passed because of complications due to all the drugs she was taking (side affects) and that scares Bethany and I very much. My uncle lived up into his 70's with his RA and that isn't why he passed. --- <catdelouise@...> wrote: > Has the doctor talked to you about the Anti-TNF > drugs like Humira or Enbrel? > They are very aggressive treatments that can really > help your daugher, > especially if she has not had RA that long, IMO. > > > > > > > > My daughter just turned 17 and has just been > recently diagnosed with > > RA. She has been on methotrexate shots now for a > month. At first, the > > swelling and pain went down tremendously, but is > back. I decided to > > try to find something that would help us to learn > more about > > treatments, etc. I feel so helpless because I > can't help her. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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