Re: Tramadol and LDN

[Guest guest]

My Doctor, Dr. S (found on the LDNers.org site) has actually

prescribed Ultram to me for pain control WHILE on LDN. He has a few

hundred patients on LDN therapy and I questioned the Ultram scrip, but

he said he's found no significant interaction as opposed to the

codeine & morphine-based drugs. I've too found the varying opinions on

the use of Ultram and was never sure what to believe other than trying

for myself (with Dr. consult of course).

>

> Hi everyone,

> I hope everyone is doing well.

> There had been some discussion on here previously in regards to

> Tramadol (Ultram)and I remember they seem to be varying opinions in

> regards to using it while on LDN.

> I injured my back about a week ago, and I tried as hard as possible

> not to take any pain meds except 800mg. IB. Unfortunately, it isn't

> going to fly. I can't even move I am in so much pain. Even breathing

> hurts like the dickens. I have some left over Tramadol, and starting

> taking it last night. I skipped my dose of LDN.

> Can this be taken with LDN or not? I have an appt. for a 30 min.

> massage this morning, and am praying this will work (hoping it is

> pulled muscles) Starting with the cheapest remedy as I have no health

> insurance, and $225 for the initial chiropractor visit isn't possible

> at this time.

> Thanks for any help anyone can give?

> Saundra

> ps, I know I have read Ultram is terribly addicting. Was wondering if

> anyone knows why? It really doesnt do anything for me..not like

> percocet does (as far as that feel good feeling...lol)and honest,

> only takes the edge off the pain,, but it is all I have at this point.

>

[Guest guest]

Saundra,

Tramadol is an opioid receptor antagonist, but in the

arena of such drugs it is regarded as a low agonist,

that is it has a short term blocking capability.

Theoretically, you could take Tramadol at possibly

12 hours after you've taken LDN. But taking them

together would seem to defeat the purpose of both.

If you need pain relief at night, it is possible you

could

switch your LDN dosing to morning, about twelve

hours after you've taken Tramadol. In this manner,

the Tramadol will have cleared the receptors by the

time you take your LDN dose and you should have

the beneficial effects of both. And then after you

no longer need pain relief you can return to dosing

at bed time. But at 800mg per dose these doesn't

seem a feasible plan.

One caution: this theoretical option would only work

with low agonist pain relievers and any others of high

agonist characteristics would be pointless and

counter-

productive to use. And ultimately it is best to not

use

opiates of any kind, so if there is any other pain

reliever

available to you it would be much better to use it.

What about something like Celebrex?

Jaco

--- Saundra Renz <sassyfur98@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> I hope everyone is doing well.

> There had been some discussion on here previously in

> regards to

> Tramadol (Ultram)and I remember they seem to be

> varying opinions in

> regards to using it while on LDN.

> I injured my back about a week ago, and I tried as

> hard as possible

> not to take any pain meds except 800mg. IB.

> Unfortunately, it isn't

> going to fly. I can't even move I am in so much

> pain. Even breathing

> hurts like the dickens. I have some left over

> Tramadol, and starting

> taking it last night. I skipped my dose of LDN.

> Can this be taken with LDN or not? I have an appt.

> for a 30 min.

> massage this morning, and am praying this will work

> (hoping it is

> pulled muscles) Starting with the cheapest remedy as

> I have no health

> insurance, and $225 for the initial chiropractor

> visit isn't possible

> at this time.

> Thanks for any help anyone can give?

> Saundra

> ps, I know I have read Ultram is terribly addicting.

> Was wondering if

> anyone knows why? It really doesnt do anything for

> me..not like

> percocet does (as far as that feel good

> feeling...lol)and honest,

> only takes the edge off the pain,, but it is all I

> have at this point.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply.

I have no health insurance, so I must take what I have here..which is

the tramadol. I HATE taking ANY meds at all, but after fighting this

for a week, it has just worn me town so much I have no choice. I am

getting a 30 min. massage this afternoon. Hopefully she can work out

these muscles and I won't need anything. I am ONLY taking the Tramadol

at night, otherwise when I wake throughout the night, I am so stiff I

can't even move.

I am on LDN for Graves Disease, so it really won't kill me to miss a

couple of doses.

Saundra

>

> Saundra,

>

> Tramadol is an opioid receptor antagonist, but in the

> arena of such drugs it is regarded as a low agonist,

> tha

[Guest guest]

That's probably the best solution.

Jaco

--- Saundra Renz <sassyfur98@...> wrote:

> Thanks for the reply.

> I have no health insurance, so I must take what I

> have here..which is

> the tramadol. I HATE taking ANY meds at all, but

> after fighting this

> for a week, it has just worn me town so much I have

> no choice. I am

> getting a 30 min. massage this afternoon. Hopefully

> she can work out

> these muscles and I won't need anything. I am ONLY

> taking the Tramadol

> at night, otherwise when I wake throughout the

> night, I am so stiff I

> can't even move.

> I am on LDN for Graves Disease, so it really won't

> kill me to miss a

> couple of doses.

> Saundra

>

>

> >

> > Saundra,

> >

> > Tramadol is an opioid receptor antagonist, but in

> the

> > arena of such drugs it is regarded as a low

> agonist,

> > tha

>

>

[Guest guest]

- I'm not exactly sure what my protein intake is or how to

figure that out. I eat quite a bit of protein, I think - is that what

you mean?

>

> > Hi everyone,

> > I hope everyone is doing well.

> > There had been some discussion on here previously in

> > regards to

> > Tramadol (Ultram)and I remember they seem to be

> > varying opinions in

> > regards to using it while on LDN.

> > I injured my back about a week ago, and I tried as

> > hard as possible

> > not to take any pain meds except 800mg. IB.

> > Unfortunately, it isn't

> > going to fly. I can't even move I am in so much

> > pain. Even breathing

> > hurts like the dickens. I have some left over

> > Tramadol, and starting

> > taking it last night. I skipped my dose of LDN.

> > Can this be taken with LDN or not? I have an appt.

> > for a 30 min.

> > massage this morning, and am praying this will work

> > (hoping it is

> > pulled muscles) Starting with the cheapest remedy as

> > I have no health

> > insurance, and $225 for the initial chiropractor

> > visit isn't possible

> > at this time.

> > Thanks for any help anyone can give?

> > Saundra

> > ps, I know I have read Ultram is terribly addicting.

> > Was wondering if

> > anyone knows why? It really doesnt do anything for

> > me..not like

> > percocet does (as far as that feel good

> > feeling...lol)and honest,

> > only takes the edge off the pain,, but it is all I

> > have at this point.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I meant protein in the form of food. For instance

a 4 oz pork loin chop is about 60 mg protein. An

egg,

15 mg, I think. I haven't looked these up in a while

as

once I established the pattern I didn't need to check.

Cottage cheese has lots of protein per serving, a

tall

glass of milk too. Cheese, which unfortunately I

can't eat,

has lots of protein. A chicken breast, a juicy steak,

etc,.

So I just make sure to eat something high protein with

every meal along with fresh fruits and vegetables.

Before, I ate only much smaller amounts of protein and

more starches instead. That is when my hair and nails

needed help. I'd lost a lot of hair on top. It was

noticeable

and embarrassing.

Jaco

--- <juliedodaro@...> wrote:

> - I'm not exactly sure what my protein intake

> is or how to

> figure that out. I eat quite a bit of protein, I

> think - is that what

> you mean?

>

>

> >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > I hope everyone is doing well.

> > > There had been some discussion on here

> previously in

> > > regards to

> > > Tramadol (Ultram)and I remember they seem to be

> > > varying opinions in

> > > regards to using it while on LDN.

> > > I injured my back about a week ago, and I tried

> as

> > > hard as possible

> > > not to take any pain meds except 800mg. IB.

> > > Unfortunately, it isn't

> > > going to fly. I can't even move I am in so much

> > > pain. Even breathing

> > > hurts like the dickens. I have some left over

> > > Tramadol, and starting

> > > taking it last night. I skipped my dose of LDN.

> > > Can this be taken with LDN or not? I have an

> appt.

> > > for a 30 min.

> > > massage this morning, and am praying this will

> work

> > > (hoping it is

> > > pulled muscles) Starting with the cheapest

> remedy as

> > > I have no health

> > > insurance, and $225 for the initial chiropractor

> > > visit isn't possible

> > > at this time.

> > > Thanks for any help anyone can give?

> > > Saundra

> > > ps, I know I have read Ultram is terribly

> addicting.

> > > Was wondering if

> > > anyone knows why? It really doesnt do anything

> for

> > > me..not like

> > > percocet does (as far as that feel good

> > > feeling...lol)and honest,

> > > only takes the edge off the pain,, but it is all

> I

> > > have at this point.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I see !

Yes - I think my protein intake is quite good. I've been eating a lot

of eggs in the morning lately and I have protein every night for

dinner. Lunch could probably use a little more but snacks are usually

nuts so there's some more there. I'm thinking some of the other

inputs I've had are right and it's the DHEA. I'm finding out more

about Adrenal fatigue and other things I can do other than DHEA.

Thanks again for the input,

>

> Yes I meant protein in the form of food. For instance

> a 4 oz pork loin chop is about 60 mg protein. An

> egg,

> 15 mg, I think. I haven't looked these up in a while

> as

> once I established the pattern I didn't need to check.

> Cottage cheese has lots of protein per serving, a

> tall

> glass of milk too. Cheese, which unfortunately I

> can't eat,

> has lots of protein. A chicken breast, a juicy steak,

> etc,.

>

> So I just make sure to eat something high protein with

> every meal along with fresh fruits and vegetables.

> Before, I ate only much smaller amounts of protein and

> more starches instead. That is when my hair and nails

> needed help. I'd lost a lot of hair on top. It was

> noticeable

> and embarrassing.

>

> Jaco

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tramadol is an opioid. It's mixed with paracetamol and is used to treat moderate to severe pain. You could use paracetamol instead. And continue using LDN.

Good luck!

Ingrid

[low dose naltrexone] Tramadol and LDNHi everyone,I hope everyone is doing well. There had been some discussion on here previously in regards toTramadol (Ultram)and I remember they seem to be varying opinions inregards to using it while on LDN.I injured my back about a week ago, and I tried as hard as possiblenot to take any pain meds except 800mg. IB. Unfortunately, it isn'tgoing to fly. I can't even move I am in so much pain. Even breathinghurts like the dickens. I have some left over Tramadol, and startingtaking it last night. I skipped my dose of LDN. Can this be taken with LDN or not? I have an appt. for a 30 min.massage this morning, and am

praying this will work (hoping it ispulled muscles) Starting with the cheapest remedy as I have no healthinsurance, and $225 for the initial chiropractor visit isn't possibleat this time.Thanks for any help anyone can give?Saundraps, I know I have read Ultram is terribly addicting. Was wondering ifanyone knows why? It really doesnt do anything for me..not likepercocet does (as far as that feel good feeling...lol)and honest,only takes the edge off the pain,, but it is all I have at this point.------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

You CANNOT Take Opioids with LDN!!!!! LDN will not work or you will notget the full benefit of LDN!!!

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[low dose naltrexone] Tramadol and LDNHi everyone,I hope everyone is doing well. There had been some discussion on here previously in regards toTramadol (Ultram)and I remember they seem to be varying opinions inregards to using it while on LDN.I injured my back about a week ago, and I tried as hard as possiblenot to take any pain meds except 800mg. IB. Unfortunately, it isn'tgoing to fly. I can't even move I am in so much pain. Even breathinghurts like the dickens. I have some left over Tramadol, and startingtaking it last night. I skipped my dose of LDN. Can this be taken with LDN or not? I have an appt. for a 30 min.massage this morning, and am

praying this will work (hoping it ispulled muscles) Starting with the cheapest remedy as I have no healthinsurance, and $225 for the initial chiropractor visit isn't possibleat this time.Thanks for any help anyone can give?Saundraps, I know I have read Ultram is terribly addicting. Was wondering ifanyone knows why? It really doesnt do anything for me..not likepercocet does (as far as that feel good feeling...lol) and honest,only takes the edge off the pain,, but it is all I have at this point.------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

LDN will block the effects of the Narcotic drug. LDN will work just

fine but the narcotic will not. If one has been on long-term

narcotics then LDN will block and put patient into withdrawal.

[Guest guest]

I find it unbelievably horrifying that a doctor will give you drugs but not give

the info how to stop taking them when you want to stop.

-- In low dose naltrexone , " D GRADISKA " <allegria47@...> wrote:

>

> OK, now that I've discussed my dog's condition - first things first ya know -

I wonder if any of you have been on tramadol for pain for some time and weaned

yourself off of it to start LDN?

>

> As I've said I have Hashimoto's disease, late on-set asthma, and something

funky with my legs that causes pain.

>

> I have yet to find a doctor that can tell me how to taper safely off the

tramadol which I've been taking for more than 3 years. My liver is shot and the

kidneys are starting to act up. This is ridiculous. I would be grateful - and

please know that I am aware that this is not a medical advise forum and I would

not hold any one to their word - but I would be truly grateful if you have

weaned yourself off of tramadol to start ldn treatment if you would kindly share

your experience with me so I can get started.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> Colorado

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [low dose naltrexone] Re: Dog on LDN not working and Tramadol

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Your dog has lived a good long life. I'm so sorry he is in decline, but of

course all of us need to go sometime. My dog is on LDN for a neuro disorder.

If I needed to give her tramadol (my preferred pain med for her) I would not

hesitate to give it. Once the LDN has gone out it is safe to give it. As I

understand it that is the next day. Just do not give LDN while giving tramadol.

I asked at Skips pharmacy about it and the pharmacist said I could use the two

together. I don't know about that, but the reasoning is that tramadol isn't a

real opioid. I would not give the two together. But to give it w/o the LDN as

far as I know is safe the next day.

>

> My dog is off LDN again right now until two days from now since she had to

go on prednisone again for a little while. I notice how her behavior changes

afer about five days w/o LDN.

>

> I hope your dog can stay comfortable. Just know that he has lived a long

life with your devoted care. Just give him love and tramadol as needed. That is

what it is for.

> Best, Gail with Lola.

>

> > Our main concern now is keeping him comfortable and I just talked to one

> > of his vets about pain meds and she suggested Tramadol. I know one must

> > wait two weeks before starting LDN if one is on Tramadol, but what is

> > the opposite recommendation? If you stop LDN, will Tramadol work or must

> > you wait?

> >

> > Thanks for any help you can offer.

> >

> > in Albuquerque

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this will help you, but this is how I tapered off. I can't remember exactly what I was taking, but let's say it was 1 mg twice a day. I would divide each tablet into halves and then some of those in half. I started with 1 mg in am and 3/4 in pm. Did that for about a week and then 3/4 in am and 3/4 in pm for the next week. I continued dropping 1/4 dose at a time. Sometimes it took more than a week and sometimes less, but when I would get used to that dose, I would then drop it by another quarter dose. I think it took me a couple of months, but I finally weaned myself off.

Was it easy? NO. There were times I felt like a drug addict trying to get off heroin. But I knew I had to do it, and it was definitely worth it when it was over. Sure there were times when I was in pain, but my doctor said I could mix Tylenol and Advil as they are different and can be taken together for short periods of time. I would take the Tylenol, then 2 hours later the Advil, then 2 hours later the Tylenol again. Of course that was only if the pain was pretty bad. I also had some darvocet that I could take if the Tylenol/Advil combo didn't work. I did get used to doing without the Tramadol and as I cut back it was easier to give it up the less I took.

And now, I'm so thankful I did wean myself off. It was about three months later I learned about LDN and then 2 months after that when I began taking it. I've had hardly any side effects and I feel so much better and with only minimal pain. I've been on the LDN for 4 months and I rarely have to take even a Tylenol anymore (NSAID's wreck my stomach).

Judy HTo better health through knowledgeTaking LDN for Fibromyalgia, Hypothyroid, PCOS and Restless Legs SyndromeLDNforFibro

From: D GRADISKA

Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:41 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Tramadol and LDN

OK, now that I've discussed my dog's condition - first things first ya know - I wonder if any of you have been on tramadol for pain for some time and weaned yourself off of it to start LDN?

[Guest guest]

You're welcome diana. I've talked to pharmacists about neds way more than to drsHope it workedBarbaraSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "D GRADISKA" Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:30:01 -0600<low dose naltrexone >Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Tramadol and LDN Hi Barbara, Many thanks,Colorado [low dose naltrexone] Re: Dog on LDN not working and Tramadol> > > Hi ,> > Your dog has lived a good long life. I'm so sorry he is in decline, but of course all of us need to go sometime. My dog is on LDN for a neuro disorder. If I needed to give her tramadol (my preferred pain med for her) I would not hesitate to give it. Once the LDN has gone out it is safe to give it. As I understand it that is the next day. Just do not give LDN while giving tramadol. I asked at Skips pharmacy about it and the pharmacist said I could use the two together. I don't know about that, but the reasoning is that tramadol isn't a real opioid. I would not give the two together. But to give it w/o the LDN as far as I know is safe the next day.> > My dog is off LDN again right now until two days from now since she had to go on prednisone again for a little while. I notice how her behavior changes afer about five days w/o LDN.> > I hope your dog can stay comfortable. Just know that he has lived a long life with your devoted care. Just give him love and tramadol as needed. That is what it is for.> Best, Gail with Lola.> > > Our main concern now is keeping him comfortable and I just talked to one> > of his vets about pain meds and she suggested Tramadol. I know one must> > wait two weeks before starting LDN if one is on Tramadol, but what is> > the opposite recommendation? If you stop LDN, will Tramadol work or must> > you wait?> > > > Thanks for any help you can offer.> > > > in Albuquerque> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >