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> Hi Dana,

>

> Sorry if I am confusing you. GSE is a wonderful product.

Yep, works great for my family, including myself.

>> I am just trying to point out that since it kills both yeast, bacteria (good

and bad) and parasites, it is hard to judge whether you are

seeing yeast die-off or disruption of flora, etc.

Very true. But it works so well for my family to kill yeast, and my son did not

tolerate probiotics, that it was wonderful for us

especially while chelating. I don't use it much for my kids any more, they

don't get yeast any more except very rarely when we overdo

the cookies, but I still use it for myself with very good results.

Dana

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We give one drop at most two. Yes, too much at any given time could cause

poo to be soft or even to have smear stains in the underwear because the

bathroom couldn't be reached in time.

GSE

> Hi, I am treating Machaela with GSe for Yeast, when ever I give her

> a few drops she has a very soft bm within 1 hr...I have given 4 drops

> in am and 4 drops in pm..should this happen or is it to much??

> Or is this good ??

> Thanks

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> Hi, I am treating Machaela with GSe for Yeast, when ever I give

her

> a few drops she has a very soft bm within 1 hr...I have given 4

drops

> in am and 4 drops in pm..should this happen or is it to much??

Giving GSE when there is no yeast, or giving too much, can cause bad

bacteria problems. Try reducing down to 1-2 drops each time. If the

bms are still bad, it might be bacteria instead, and GSE won't help

with that, it will only make it worse.

First tho, consider that your child does not tolerate the GSE. Try

giving it with 1/2 capsule of No-Fenol enzyme, see if that helps

http://www.houstonni.com/

Dana

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Hi

Machaela is getting 1/2 cap of no fenol with each meal..Do you think

I should try it at a different time?? or what to you think maybe at

bedtime??

Thanks julie

> > Hi, I am treating Machaela with GSe for Yeast, when ever I give

> her

> > a few drops she has a very soft bm within 1 hr...I have given 4

> drops

> > in am and 4 drops in pm..should this happen or is it to much??

>

>

> Giving GSE when there is no yeast, or giving too much, can cause

bad

> bacteria problems. Try reducing down to 1-2 drops each time. If

the

> bms are still bad, it might be bacteria instead, and GSE won't help

> with that, it will only make it worse.

>

> First tho, consider that your child does not tolerate the GSE. Try

> giving it with 1/2 capsule of No-Fenol enzyme, see if that helps

>

> http://www.houstonni.com/

>

> Dana

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> Hi

> Machaela is getting 1/2 cap of no fenol with each meal..Do you

think

> I should try it at a different time?? or what to you think maybe at

> bedtime??

Give the No-Fenol with the GSE. When I needed to use GSE, I gave it

with breakfast and dinner.

Dana

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These are consistent symptoms with symptoms previously reported by

those treating yeast. So it sounds like you are in the ballpark.

How is his behavior during this?

If you are not writing your observations down, it might be a really

good idea to do so. Then after a week you might see patterns by

reviewing the written record that aren't seen by just memory. I know

I can loose track of time when concentrating on something.

What does the bottle say about dosing and time between dosing. (what

is the dose of of 'one serving' on the label)

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In a message dated 18/02/2004 14:52:31 GMT Standard Time, danasview@...

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>

> been

> > only a week since i gave him GSE how long should i wait before

> giving

> > him the next GSE.

>

>

> You can continue giving it until it no longer is effective, this is

> usually a week but can be shorter or longer, depending on the child.

> When I gave GSE too long and the yeast was gone, it caused bad

> bacteria. The bms looked like diluted cottage cheese.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Dana

Hi Dana

what did you do when it caused bad bacteria?

TIA

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I think the best way is enzymes at the beginning of a meal and probiotics

after. If you think about it, there are enzymes in your stomach whether you take

supplemental ones anyway so the probiotic shuld make it through. I think the

idea of giving with food is that they then have a buffer.

Interstingly when I asked the BioKult people they said I could give GSE with

their probiotic but that enzymes should be given separately - weird -

probiotics cost too much to risk wasting, so I din;t give them with GSe but way

back,

I did used to give them with the enzymes.

Antifungals + enzymes I think are good idea, each helps the other and of

course NO Fenol helps with the phenol issues of GSE, OOO and OLE.

Mandi in UK

> Perhaps then whether it be GSE or another anti-fungal, taking them along

> with the enzymes is OK/good? I recall Devin mentioned ideally keeping the

> probiotics and enzymes separate but didn't know where antifungals fit in. As

to

> keeping the enzymes and probiotic separate, does that still apply to

> no-phenol or just the others?

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> also i gave 3 drops of GSE around the same time but that day he

did'nt

> have any bm's so the next day and for consicutively for 3 days he is

> having, not loose but very very soft dark green coloured bm's[looks

> like spinach colour] is this yeast die of

Green bm generally means undigested food. So it can be either yeast

die off, or he might not tolerate GSE. Try giving it with No-Fenol

enzyme. And if you give it 2x per day, the yeast won't have the rest

of the day to fight back.

or is it showing that he has

> biproducts of yeast[bacteria].Still now i am seeing some yeast

> flareups in him so is it ok to try gse one more time since it has

been

> only a week since i gave him GSE how long should i wait before

giving

> him the next GSE.

You can continue giving it until it no longer is effective, this is

usually a week but can be shorter or longer, depending on the child.

When I gave GSE too long and the yeast was gone, it caused bad

bacteria. The bms looked like diluted cottage cheese.

Good luck.

Dana

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> What's the significance of the two together?

If the child does not tolerate GSE, many times the No-Fenol enzyme

will allow proper digestion. No-Fenol also breaks down the yeast

cell wall, allowing the GSE to be more effective in killing it.

Dana

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Perhaps then whether it be GSE or another anti-fungal, taking them along with

the enzymes is OK/good? I recall Devin mentioned ideally keeping the probiotics

and enzymes separate but didn't know where antifungals fit in. As to keeping

the enzymes and probiotic separate, does that still apply to no-phenol or just

the others?

Kari

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> What's the significance of the two together?

If the child does not tolerate GSE, many times the No-Fenol enzyme

will allow proper digestion. No-Fenol also breaks down the yeast

cell wall, allowing the GSE to be more effective in killing it.

Dana

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> Perhaps then whether it be GSE or another anti-fungal, taking them

along with the enzymes is OK/good?

I use GSE with enzymes [No-Fenol] without any problems.

>>As to keeping the enzymes and probiotic separate, does that still

apply to no-phenol or just the others?

Certain enzymes will break down certain probiotics, but I don't

remember which enzymes and which probiotics. But if you give them

about 1-1/2 hours apart, that should be sufficient.

Dana

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Dana, How can you tell if it's bad bacteria or yeast? Are their

specific signs to look for? Ann

> > what did you do when it caused bad bacteria?

>

>

>

> Stopped GSE and gave Culturelle.

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> Dana

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Not Dana, but I wanted to chime in and say that my daughter's bm's

smell REALLY bad when she has bacteria and they get messy. For us,

its yeast when hers are hard as a rock and have almost a sweet smell

to them. Something that has really helped us ward off bacteria-along

with the usual Culturelle-is cranberry juice.

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In , " caycemom " <rjone745@e...> wrote:

> Dana, How can you tell if it's bad bacteria or yeast? Are their

> specific signs to look for? Ann

>

> > > what did you do when it caused bad bacteria?

> >

> >

> >

> > Stopped GSE and gave Culturelle.

> >

> > Dana

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>>I have been

> reading a lot on here about GSE. How much of the liquid concentrate

> would be sufficient for an adult? And for how long? How about for

> children?

The bottle indicates 1-3 drops 1-2x per day for kids, 5-15 drops 1-3x

per day for adults. I have used considerably more than that, both for

myself and for one of my kids, without problems. But giving it when

there is no yeast, can cause a bacteria overgrowth problem.

>>Is it safe to take during pregnancy?

I have no idea.

Dana

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>>I tried GSE (Source Naturals) at dr's

> recommendation. She said to start with just 3 drops (not full

> dropper) 2xs per day and if we saw regression to double it. Does this

> sound right?

Depends on why he regressed while using it. Some kids don't tolerate

it. If you are using epsom salt baths because of phenol issues, give

the GSE with No-Fenol enzyme

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I'm not much of a fan of grapefruit seed extract (GSE) and would like to

caution anybody chelating to think twice about using it.

According to Dr. Cutler's Amalgam Illness book on page 155 GSE greatly reduces

liver phase one metabolism. I don't think that this is preferable. In other

places Dr. Cutler points out that GSE is anti-viral and anti-bacterial. I have

also read that GSE

Grapefruit seed extract may be useful in that it has an anti-viral effect, but

my concern over it is particular to the fact that it also has a significant

antibiotic effect. This seems contrary to my thinking in regard to yeast issues.

I think that bacterial kill-offs courtesy of antibiotics are pretty well known

to promote yeast over-growths in the gut.

Our own results using teeny tiny amounts of GSE have each been disastrous

failures leading to days of worrisome constipation which we now are under the

impression are the result of decreased or perhaps even non-existent microbial

action in the gut. This may or may not be proven to be the result of GSE usage,

but we clearly have determined there is a suspicious coincidence of GSE usage

and extended periods of constipation.

Probiotics come at a premium price and it doesn't seem to be logical to kill

them off by using GSE which I believe then creates the favorable evironment in

the gut for yeast proliferation.

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So what do you use for killing yeast, or do you not kill it?

> I'm not much of a fan of grapefruit seed extract (GSE) and would

like to caution anybody chelating to think twice about using it.

>

> According to Dr. Cutler's Amalgam Illness book on page 155 GSE

greatly reduces liver phase one metabolism. I don't think that this

is preferable. In other places Dr. Cutler points out that GSE is

anti-viral and anti-bacterial. I have also read that GSE

>

> Grapefruit seed extract may be useful in that it has an anti-

viral effect, but my concern over it is particular to the fact that

it also has a significant antibiotic effect. This seems contrary to

my thinking in regard to yeast issues. I think that bacterial kill-

offs courtesy of antibiotics are pretty well known to promote yeast

over-growths in the gut.

>

> Our own results using teeny tiny amounts of GSE have each been

disastrous failures leading to days of worrisome constipation which

we now are under the impression are the result of decreased or

perhaps even non-existent microbial action in the gut. This may or

may not be proven to be the result of GSE usage, but we clearly have

determined there is a suspicious coincidence of GSE usage and

extended periods of constipation.

>

> Probiotics come at a premium price and it doesn't seem to be

logical to kill them off by using GSE which I believe then creates

the favorable evironment in the gut for yeast proliferation.

>

>

>

>

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Probably the smartest way to determine if in fact yeast is currently the issue

you are dealing with is to have a Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis test

run.

From what I've read and judging from the length of time some of the doctors run

prescriptions for them, anti-fungal drugs have questionable success so I doubt

that you actually kill yeast off entirely. I should say that I've read

unspecific information that suggests that anti-fungal drugs require liver

monitoring, but haven't bothered to dig deeper since drugs are a no-no.

Generally there are numerous anti-yeast products available on the web to make a

selection from, maintaining a low-sugar, yeast-free and grain-free diet makes

sense, and lots and lots of good bacteria via probiotics to gradually crowd the

yeast out.

[ ] Re: GSE

So what do you use for killing yeast, or do you not kill it?

> I'm not much of a fan of grapefruit seed extract (GSE) and would

like to caution anybody chelating to think twice about using it.

>

> According to Dr. Cutler's Amalgam Illness book on page 155 GSE

greatly reduces liver phase one metabolism. I don't think that this

is preferable. In other places Dr. Cutler points out that GSE is

anti-viral and anti-bacterial. I have also read that GSE

>

> Grapefruit seed extract may be useful in that it has an anti-

viral effect, but my concern over it is particular to the fact that

it also has a significant antibiotic effect. This seems contrary to

my thinking in regard to yeast issues. I think that bacterial kill-

offs courtesy of antibiotics are pretty well known to promote yeast

over-growths in the gut.

>

> Our own results using teeny tiny amounts of GSE have each been

disastrous failures leading to days of worrisome constipation which

we now are under the impression are the result of decreased or

perhaps even non-existent microbial action in the gut. This may or

may not be proven to be the result of GSE usage, but we clearly have

determined there is a suspicious coincidence of GSE usage and

extended periods of constipation.

>

> Probiotics come at a premium price and it doesn't seem to be

logical to kill them off by using GSE which I believe then creates

the favorable evironment in the gut for yeast proliferation.

>

>

>

>

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> I have a question. When using GSE is this something that has to be

used all of the time, or can I stop giving it once the yeast infection

is gone?

GSE works very well for yeast, but can cause bacteria problems once

the yeast is gone. So I would only use it while yeast is a problem.

Dana

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