Re: starting LDN on 3 mg. May be too much/strong?

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MARY/FREEWIND43512 - that's exactly what i told her!! not EVERBODY that uses LDN has sleep deprivation!!

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Hello Vera!My doctor put me on 3mg. I started it two weeks ago and haven't had any sleep problems. I think I'm sleeping better than before. No bad dreams either. I take it around nine every night. Good luck with it! .

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I know everyones experience is different but I started out with 5 mg as that is what the dr prescribed for me. I have alot more energy which ends up causing me to be more active. So I have been sleeping harder than before and not waking up as much. Becky

From: Vera Velmerig <doodlejerry@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] starting LDN on 3 mg. May be too much/strong?"LDN" <low dose naltrexone >Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 6:42 AM

After following your conversations, I now have concerns that the 3 mg dosis I am going to start on in a few days may be too strong = no sleep at all.

I am already a bad sleeper, wake up a lot, weird dreams.

What will happen when I start taking LDN?

May be I should go with a lower dose? That would be a real pain considering how long it took me to convince my GP to write me a prescription. HE didn't know the strength I should start with. The LDN website was talking about 4.5 mg a lot. So I though a bit weaker may be a good idea. So *I* came up with the 3 mg.

Vera VelmerigCincinnati, Ohio/USA

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Vera,

Only a relatively small percentage of people have sleep issues when

starting LDN, but of course they report that so it SEEMS as those most

people do. In the " good old days " when I started about 4.5 years ago

virtually everyone started at 3mg and got to 4.5mg ASAP and there didn't

seem to be anything like the number of 'issues' there are now. I

suspect many people now start on LDN expecting sleep problems and

Voila!! They magically appear on cue......

If you are really worried start on 1.5mg by emptying the contents of the

capsule into a known quantity of water eg 40 mls, stir thoroughly and

drink half the first night, refrigerate and drink the rest the next night.

Many people, myself included, now sleep far better on LDN than for many

years previously. My sleep used to be very light and I used to wake

every 1.5 to 2 hours. Now I occasionally even sleep 9 hours straight

without waking.

Vera Velmerig wrote:

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> After following your conversations, I now have concerns that the 3 mg

> dosis I am going to start on in a few days may be too strong = no

> sleep at all.

>

>

>

> I am already a bad sleeper, wake up a lot, weird dreams.

>

> What will happen when I start taking LDN?

>

>

>

> May be I should go with a lower dose? That would be a real pain

> considering how long it took me to convince my GP to write me a

> prescription. HE didn't know the strength I should start with. The LDN

> website was talking about 4.5 mg a lot. So I though a bit weaker may

> be a good idea. So *I* came up with the 3 mg.

>

>

>

> Vera Velmerig

> Cincinnati, Ohio/USA

>

[Guest guest]

The first night I took LDN my wife at the time said I hadn't slept that peaceful since she met me 21 years earlier and had seen me sleeping through the years.

The only issue I'm aware of is that your body will wake you up in the Hour of Four, if you have a full bladder you may end up having to go to the bathroom. If you slept enough and you're all wired, you may have problems falling back to sleep.

Otherwise, everyone else's experience may vary, and I think Looking for it may put your mind on self-fulfillment

Re: [low dose naltrexone] starting LDN on 3 mg. May be too much/strong?

Vera,Only a relatively small percentage of people have sleep issues when starting LDN, but of course they report that so it SEEMS as those most people do. In the "good old days" when I started about 4.5 years ago virtually everyone started at 3mg and got to 4.5mg ASAP and there didn't seem to be anything like the number of 'issues' there are now. I suspect many people now start on LDN expecting sleep problems and Voila!! They magically appear on cue......

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you are right, , it often seems a bigger problem online because usually people only report the negative stuff

I already thought about cutting the pill in half should it be too strong. I am not sure if it will be a capsule or a table.

For as long as I can think back, I haven't slept through one night. I wake up at least once or twice and am very tired when I have to get up.

I am looking forward to a restful and peaceful night again. Vera VelmerigCincinnati, Ohio/USA

From: C <covo@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] starting LDN on 3 mg. May be too much/strong?low dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 11:14 AM

[Guest guest]

you know what, I get up every night to go to the bathroom around 4 pm and I am not even on LDN.

So may be NOW with LDN this will stop.:-)))Vera VelmerigCincinnati, Ohio/USA

From: LarryGC <larrygc@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] starting LDN on 3 mg. May be too much/strong?low dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 12:32 PM

The first night I took LDN my wife at the time said I hadn't slept that peaceful since she met me 21 years earlier and had seen me sleeping through the years.

The only issue I'm aware of is that your body will wake you up in the Hour of Four, if you have a full bladder you may end up having to go to the bathroom. If you slept enough and you're all wired, you may have problems falling back to sleep.

Otherwise, everyone else's experience may vary, and I think Looking for it may put your mind on self-fulfillment

Re: [low dose naltrexone] starting LDN on 3 mg. May be too much/strong?

Vera,Only a relatively small percentage of people have sleep issues when starting LDN, but of course they report that so it SEEMS as those most people do. In the "good old days" when I started about 4.5 years ago virtually everyone started at 3mg and got to 4.5mg ASAP and there didn't seem to be anything like the number of 'issues' there are now. I suspect many people now start on LDN expecting sleep problems and Voila!! They magically appear on cue......

[Guest guest]

Could you ask the pharmacist to put it in 1.5 mg capsules instead of 3.0? You

may be able

to have the doctor change the scrip to 60 1.5s if the pharmacist won't do it by

your request.

[Guest guest]

Vera,

Cutting a tablet in half is not advisable as the naltrexone component is

only a couple of grains and it could all end up in one half of the

tablet. If you have a tablet the only reliable method for getting half

the naltrexone is to crush and dissolve it in a known quantity of water

(same as I suggested previously for capsule). Stir thoroughly and take

one half the mix one night and the remainder the next night.

Vera Velmerig wrote:

>

> you are right, , it often seems a bigger problem online because

> usually people only report the negative stuff

>

>

>

> I already thought about cutting the pill in half should it be too

> strong. I am not sure if it will be a capsule or a table.

>

>

>

> For as long as I can think back, I haven't slept through one night. I

> wake up at least once or twice and am very tired when I have to get up.

>

> I am looking forward to a restful and peaceful night again.

>

> Vera Velmerig

> Cincinnati, Ohio/USA

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Vera,

only 20 % gets sleep disturbances. IF you get any, they'll last in average 10 days. The sleep disturbances could be:

1. vivid dreams: those are more detailed than others, but are not night mares.

2. hard to fall in sleep: if it continues and make trouble for you; there is always melatonin.

3. waking up some times between 1.00 and 3.00 am. often having more energy than ever in that time of night.

4. tired and less energy in the middle of the day or later. (if you have some inflammational activity, you could actually get this problem).

Remember: all these will often last for just a week or two. Make sure you read this correct: only 20 % gets sleep disturbances,

you may be one of these....or not.

Ingrid

[low dose naltrexone] starting LDN on 3 mg. May be too much/strong?

After following your conversations, I now have concerns that the 3 mg dosis I am going to start on in a few days may be too strong = no sleep at all.

I am already a bad sleeper, wake up a lot, weird dreams.

What will happen when I start taking LDN?

May be I should go with a lower dose? That would be a real pain considering how long it took me to convince my GP to write me a prescription. HE didn't know the strength I should start with. The LDN website was talking about 4.5 mg a lot. So I though a bit weaker may be a good idea. So *I* came up with the 3 mg.

Vera VelmerigCincinnati, Ohio/USA

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Vera,

I am one of those 20% that gets sleep disturbance, in the form of very vivid and

detailed

dreams, and I remember them better than other dreams.

I don't remember them for longer than a day or two, I have little kids and a lot

going on and

my brain tends to let go of everything that I don't need for day to day living,

and some stuff

that I do.

Though I don't recall each dream that I have had, I do know that I woke up after

each one

with a smile, or maybe some confusion, but never with any feelings of angst. I

rather enjoyed

most of them.

My biggest problem was getting up to go to the bathroom 2 or 3 times a night.

That

stopped, though. Last night was the first night I went all the way through

(night 13 of taking

LDN). LOL I kept waking up to make sure I could go back to sleep!

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Vera,

I started 3.0mgs LDN March 2005. The following month I went up to

4.5mgs and everything has been fine since. The only sleep issue I had

was vivid dreaming which continues to this day and it's NOT an

unpleasant experience. I actually look forward to it. Not everyone

experience's a sleep disturbance and if they do in most cases it very

mild and short-lasting. Please don't let others influence you into

not trying LDN because of this sleep thing. It is worry about

nothing, in my opinion.

Art

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> After following your conversations, I now have concerns that the 3

mg dosis I am going to start on in a few days may be too strong = no

sleep at all.

>  

> I am already a bad sleeper, wake up a lot, weird dreams.

> What will happen when I start taking LDN?

>  

> May be I should go with a lower dose? That would be a real pain

considering how long it took me to convince my GP to write me a

prescription. HE didn't know the strength I should start with. The

LDN website was talking about 4.5 mg a lot. So I though a bit weaker

may be a good idea. So *I* came up with the 3 mg.

>  

>  

>

> Vera Velmerig

> Cincinnati, Ohio/USA

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