Re: Round 37 problem (strange issue, need help!!)

May 4, 2008

Jada and others;

In my post on Friday, I stated that, we started 5th round of chelation on my 3.5

year old

son but since Friday morning he was not feeling well, and around noon he had

temperature (fever). My son -- when he is sick -- pretty much stops eating. So

after 4

doses, we decided to stop the chelation for this week.

From Saturday afternoon, the temperature did go down (became normal) and he did

eat

but a little; however, he seemed in pain. Since he is non-verbal, therefore, he

can't tell us.

We could see that he was bending his legs and was crouching ... bone pain?

But that was not it; Today morning he woke up fine -- had a good night sleep -

-with no

temperature but during breakfast all of sudden he fainted. He came back to

normal within

15 or some seconds but than he was lethargic as if he had no energy. As the day

progressed he got better, started eating, had his stool and no temperature. But

around 5 p.m. he was doing pretty well but again all of a sudden he just felt

like he is so tired and

sleepy. We than consoled him and now he is sleeping. He does not do that,

normally he is

a very active kid and sleeping is the last thing he would want to do.

We are so much worried. Since he is non-verbal we have no idea what's going on

inside his

body? Is it a reaction of missing the chelation cycle this week? Should we go on

3 days on

11 days off .... maybe 3/4 schedule is putting too much burden on him? Is he

getting

severely deficient on minerals and vitamins? Is it yeast? We're so lost and

confused.

We started chelation with so much hope ... and now we're so scared. Please

advice.

Thank you!

-TS

>

> Well I got my answers..he fell asleep around 3pm and when I went to

> check on him he was burning up. When I woke him at 5 and took his temp

> is was 102.8 and said his ear hurts...so it's coincidental that he was

> on dmsa this weekend, and just happen to come down with something.

> Which also explains why we have never seen this happen on a

> round...because it's not from the round. If he's like me, his legs

> hurting is viral. When I am getting a virus, my legs ache so bad.

>

> For bone pain..here's my experiences..since I had problems with bone

> pain on dmsa...I found that if I take enough calcium the pain goes

> away or I don't get it. If I forget to take my calcium..I will have

> the aching in my leg bones. I have done 24 rounds..and as long as I

> take the calcium during rounds..I can avoid the bone aching. I have

> read/talk to others who have experienced this, it is said to be due to

> Lead being pulled from the bones.

>

> So time resolved this question for me. It was kind of what i was

> thinking anyway...that he must be coming down with something...

>

> >

>

May 4, 2008

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My son suffers from bone, muscle leg cramps and it always is a die

off situation from yeast. IT is always resolved with Magnisum either

rubbing the cream on or giving a couple hundred extra a day.

I know myself if I get leg cramps extra calcium and magnsium helps.

Jess

In , " Rhapsodist1 " <tanveers@...>

wrote:

>

> Jada and others;

>

> In my post on Friday, I stated that, we started 5th round of

chelation on my 3.5 year old

> son but since Friday morning he was not feeling well, and around

noon he had

> temperature (fever). My son -- when he is sick -- pretty much stops

eating. So after 4

> doses, we decided to stop the chelation for this week.

>

> From Saturday afternoon, the temperature did go down (became

normal) and he did eat

> but a little; however, he seemed in pain. Since he is non-verbal,

therefore, he can't tell us.

> We could see that he was bending his legs and was crouching ...

bone pain?

>

> But that was not it; Today morning he woke up fine -- had a good

night sleep - -with no

> temperature but during breakfast all of sudden he fainted. He came

back to normal within

> 15 or some seconds but than he was lethargic as if he had no

energy. As the day

> progressed he got better, started eating, had his stool and no

temperature. But around 5 p.m. he was doing pretty well but again all

of a sudden he just felt like he is so tired and

> sleepy. We than consoled him and now he is sleeping. He does not do

that, normally he is

> a very active kid and sleeping is the last thing he would want to

do.

>

> We are so much worried. Since he is non-verbal we have no idea

what's going on inside his

> body? Is it a reaction of missing the chelation cycle this week?

Should we go on 3 days on

> 11 days off .... maybe 3/4 schedule is putting too much burden on

him? Is he getting

> severely deficient on minerals and vitamins? Is it yeast? We're so

lost and confused.

>

> We started chelation with so much hope ... and now we're so scared.

Please advice.

>

> Thank you!

>

> -TS

>

> >

> > Well I got my answers..he fell asleep around 3pm and when I went

to

> > check on him he was burning up. When I woke him at 5 and took his

temp

> > is was 102.8 and said his ear hurts...so it's coincidental that

he was

> > on dmsa this weekend, and just happen to come down with something.

> > Which also explains why we have never seen this happen on a

> > round...because it's not from the round. If he's like me, his legs

> > hurting is viral. When I am getting a virus, my legs ache so bad.

> >

> > For bone pain..here's my experiences..since I had problems with

bone

> > pain on dmsa...I found that if I take enough calcium the pain goes

> > away or I don't get it. If I forget to take my calcium..I will

have

> > the aching in my leg bones. I have done 24 rounds..and as long as

I

> > take the calcium during rounds..I can avoid the bone aching. I

have

> > read/talk to others who have experienced this, it is said to be

due to

> > Lead being pulled from the bones.

> >

> > So time resolved this question for me. It was kind of what i was

> > thinking anyway...that he must be coming down with something...

> >

> > >

> >

>

May 5, 2008

This does not sound chelation related. This would not happen because

you stopped his round, which is what you should do if he had a fever.

I think there is a viruses going around, because this is what happened

with my son. He is doing better today. And after having done 37 rounds

on him...the only time we see fever/illness is in relations to getting

sick, not from the chelation.

Is your child on supplements for chelation (vitamins/minerals)? If so,

deficiency should not be a problem. I don't think your schedule is

either. I did 3/4 for the first 8 months.

I would give him a few days to recover from the virus that gave him

the fever. Then plan to resume his chelation schedule. Sometimes some

extra vitamin C, zinc, and A are good to get them over whatever they

caught.

> >

> > Well I got my answers..he fell asleep around 3pm and when I went to

> > check on him he was burning up. When I woke him at 5 and took his temp

> > is was 102.8 and said his ear hurts...so it's coincidental that he was

> > on dmsa this weekend, and just happen to come down with something.

> > Which also explains why we have never seen this happen on a

> > round...because it's not from the round. If he's like me, his legs

> > hurting is viral. When I am getting a virus, my legs ache so bad.

> >

> > For bone pain..here's my experiences..since I had problems with bone

> > pain on dmsa...I found that if I take enough calcium the pain goes

> > away or I don't get it. If I forget to take my calcium..I will have

> > the aching in my leg bones. I have done 24 rounds..and as long as I

> > take the calcium during rounds..I can avoid the bone aching. I have

> > read/talk to others who have experienced this, it is said to be due to

> > Lead being pulled from the bones.

> >

> > So time resolved this question for me. It was kind of what i was

> > thinking anyway...that he must be coming down with something...

> >

> > >

> >

>

May 5, 2008

As per my previous post...he was just coming down with something. His

fever of 102.8 appeared later that day. He's fine...now thank you for

helping.

Mag and Cal are important in preventing cramps.

> > >

> > > Well I got my answers..he fell asleep around 3pm and when I went

> to

> > > check on him he was burning up. When I woke him at 5 and took his

> temp

> > > is was 102.8 and said his ear hurts...so it's coincidental that

> he was

> > > on dmsa this weekend, and just happen to come down with something.

> > > Which also explains why we have never seen this happen on a

> > > round...because it's not from the round. If he's like me, his legs

> > > hurting is viral. When I am getting a virus, my legs ache so bad.

> > >

> > > For bone pain..here's my experiences..since I had problems with

> bone

> > > pain on dmsa...I found that if I take enough calcium the pain goes

> > > away or I don't get it. If I forget to take my calcium..I will

> have

> > > the aching in my leg bones. I have done 24 rounds..and as long as

> I

> > > take the calcium during rounds..I can avoid the bone aching. I

> have

> > > read/talk to others who have experienced this, it is said to be

> due to

> > > Lead being pulled from the bones.

> > >

> > > So time resolved this question for me. It was kind of what i was

> > > thinking anyway...that he must be coming down with something...

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 5, 2008

Since the fainting happened in the AM, I am wondering if this is a blood sugar

issue.

I wonder if his hair test showed any blood sugar regulation issues?

Tiredness is not an untypical chelation side-effect; what is untypical is for

anything to go on for more than 24-36 hours. If you've done 37 rounds and

haven't seen side effects go on for very long before, then I doubt that is the

problem now.

Just to check, what chelator have you been using, how much, and how much does he

weigh?

Also, you didn't mention it, so I assume he's never had seizures?

Dave.

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Posted by: " Rhapsodist1 " tanveers@... Rhapsodist1

Date: Sun May 4, 2008 5:13 pm ((PDT))

Jada and others;

In my post on Friday, I stated that, we started 5th round of chelation on my 3.5

year old

son but since Friday morning he was not feeling well, and around noon he had

temperature (fever). My son -- when he is sick -- pretty much stops eating. So

after 4

doses, we decided to stop the chelation for this week.

From Saturday afternoon, the temperature did go down (became normal) and he did

eat

but a little; however, he seemed in pain. Since he is non-verbal, therefore, he

can't tell us.

We could see that he was bending his legs and was crouching ... bone pain?

But that was not it; Today morning he woke up fine -- had a good night sleep -

-with no

temperature but during breakfast all of sudden he fainted. He came back to

normal within

15 or some seconds but than he was lethargic as if he had no energy. As the day

progressed he got better, started eating, had his stool and no temperature. But

around 5 p.m. he was doing pretty well but again all of a sudden he just felt

like he is so tired and

sleepy. We than consoled him and now he is sleeping. He does not do that,

normally he is

a very active kid and sleeping is the last thing he would want to do.

We are so much worried. Since he is non-verbal we have no idea what's going on

inside his

body? Is it a reaction of missing the chelation cycle this week? Should we go on

3 days on

11 days off .... maybe 3/4 schedule is putting too much burden on him? Is he

getting

severely deficient on minerals and vitamins? Is it yeast? We're so lost and

confused.

We started chelation with so much hope ... and now we're so scared. Please

advice.

Thank you!

-TS

May 5, 2008

Thank you Dave, Jada and others for your suggestions.

My son is pretty much back to normal today. Got his appetite back. Hopefully it

was a viral

which is now gone. But we really got scared because he fainted. He has never

fainted

before like this. And no he never had seizures. Other than the developmental

delays he

has been a healthy and active kid. We have done so far 4 rounds. We give 12.5 mg

each of

DMSA and ALA on AC Protocol on a 3/4 schedule.

Thank you,

-TS

>

> Since the fainting happened in the AM, I am wondering if this is a blood sugar

issue.

>

> I wonder if his hair test showed any blood sugar regulation issues?

>

> Tiredness is not an untypical chelation side-effect; what is untypical is for

anything to

go on for more than 24-36 hours. If you've done 37 rounds and haven't seen side

effects

go on for very long before, then I doubt that is the problem now.

>

> Just to check, what chelator have you been using, how much, and how much does

he

weigh?

>

> Also, you didn't mention it, so I assume he's never had seizures?

>

> Dave.

> ---------------

> Posted by: " Rhapsodist1 " tanveers@... Rhapsodist1

> Date: Sun May 4, 2008 5:13 pm ((PDT))

>

> Jada and others;

>

> In my post on Friday, I stated that, we started 5th round of chelation on my

3.5 year old

> son but since Friday morning he was not feeling well, and around noon he had

> temperature (fever). My son -- when he is sick -- pretty much stops eating. So

after 4

> doses, we decided to stop the chelation for this week.

>

> From Saturday afternoon, the temperature did go down (became normal) and he

did eat

> but a little; however, he seemed in pain. Since he is non-verbal, therefore,

he can't tell

us.

> We could see that he was bending his legs and was crouching ... bone pain?

>

> But that was not it; Today morning he woke up fine -- had a good night sleep -

-with

no

> temperature but during breakfast all of sudden he fainted. He came back to

normal

within

> 15 or some seconds but than he was lethargic as if he had no energy. As the

day

> progressed he got better, started eating, had his stool and no temperature.

But around 5

p.m. he was doing pretty well but again all of a sudden he just felt like he is

so tired and

> sleepy. We than consoled him and now he is sleeping. He does not do that,

normally he

is

> a very active kid and sleeping is the last thing he would want to do.

>

> We are so much worried. Since he is non-verbal we have no idea what's going on

inside

his

> body? Is it a reaction of missing the chelation cycle this week? Should we go

on 3 days

on

> 11 days off .... maybe 3/4 schedule is putting too much burden on him? Is he

getting

> severely deficient on minerals and vitamins? Is it yeast? We're so lost and

confused.

>

> We started chelation with so much hope ... and now we're so scared. Please

advice.

>

> Thank you!

>

> -TS

>

May 6, 2008

My son needed to be on a massive yeast protocol throughout his entire chelation.

He needed to drink lots of water, which was hard because he had an aversion to

water. Are you giving milk thistle to help the liver process out the toxins? 4x

a day? What dose? Basically, my son who used to be less verbal and now is mostly

recovered and very verbal felt like total crap while chelating. He didn't tell

us this so we understood it though until it was almost over. It was to the

point that he hated us for making him chelate even though he is recovered. If

he complained about being tired, we would say, all you have to do is lay in bed.

I didn't understand just how " tired " was the understatement of the year if you

are chelating with weak adrenals until I tried a few rounds on myself. I felt

fatigue like you wouldn't believe for a week afterwards, which could explain why

someone who is normally active would want to sleep more during chelation. I

would recommend you try a few rounds on yourself too, to understand how he is

feeling. It isn't a pleasant experience to get those toxins out. It makes you

feel crappy. It is so worth it though. My daughter and I can't chelate because

it makes us too fatigued, we need to adress adrenals first. I wish we had

adressed adrenals first with our son too, maybe it would have made the chelation

more endurable for him.

Bending over like that sounds like liver or kidney to me, or yeast, if it wasn't

the flu. You could take two weeks off and really push yeast fighters and

supplements, drinking water and even baths help with being very well hydrated,

then resume if it was a mineral deficiency. I agree with all of your theories.

The only thing that is scary to me is the fainting. That is not common at all.

Maybe you could test his iron. Maybe you could back down on the dosage of

chelator.

also, it could be that since he had a fever, he also was crouching because of a

tummy ache. It could have been nausea or flu like symptoms. We always

discontinued a round with fever or flu symtoms. fainting could go along with

flu and fever and that could have been the whole deal with that. The lethargy

points to needing to address the adrenals, unless it was just a temporary

condition because of the flu. There is a test for the adrenals and a NTH adrenal

group for that Natural Thyroid Hormone Adrenals. We plan to go that route

before chelating.

My son never fainted. I would ask andy for sure on this one. I would google

fainting on onibasu.

My son never had a reaction to missing a chelation schedule. We skipped weeks

all the time. As a matter of fact, we couldn't keep up the weekly, it was too

much, we did do 3 days on then 11 off most of the time it was what his body

needed. That is a great idea.

May 6, 2008

I think this post should be put in the " files " section, I really do!

(Though I would suggest maybe lowering chelation dose, rather than actually

stopping while working on adrenals.)

Dave.

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