Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 I know that Andy has suggested the use of oral B12, which an be used in large quantities. He has given specifics on how much you should use. I appears that some kids can have a very bad response to B12, which can turn into a real problem if you inject it, since you will have to wait a while before the B12 level comes down and so both you and then will be miserable until you do. If you use oral B12, on the other hand, you can back off much more easily. You will find the details in the archives. Try Onibasu.com Dave. Posted by: " Donna " donna12345au@... donna12345au Date: Sat May 3, 2008 5:11 am ((PDT)) Hi all, I'm wanting to try M'B12 shots for ds. I have had minimal success with chelation with AC protocol(did see some slight improvement within first 10 rounds, but most improvements disappeared again.) Just wondering if anyone has had success with the shots after finding chelation with ALA wasn't helping. Donna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 > I'm wanting to try M'B12 shots for ds. I have had minimal success with > chelation with AC protocol(did see some slight improvement within first > 10 rounds, but most improvements disappeared again.) Just wondering if > anyone has had success with the shots after finding chelation with ALA > wasn't helping. ALA chelation was very effective at my house for basically two things. First, it allowed my kids to tolerate most foods. Second, it allowed them to tolerate the supplements. Before chelation, they tolerated no foods and almost no supps. It was the supps that recovered my son and caused nice improvements in my other kids. I used oral mB12, which did require folic acid and carnitine for proper absorption. It was very beneficial at my house, along with anti-viral supps, mito supps, and several other supps. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Hi, We were on MB-12 shots for a long time before trying chelation (which we've started only recently). The MB-12 has provided great gains. We're only on our 2nd round of DMSA+ALA chelation this weekend, but seem to be seeing gains in expressive language (and probably inquisitiveness/interest in other things). Some possibilities to consider: a) Is yeast a big issue? That might mask gains. [suggest you try biotin, No-Phenol/Candidase + Grapefruit Seed Extract, as per Dana. Aggressive use of probiotics has also helped here.] Bacteria could be another bad one that could mask. Chelation might not help with difficiencies vitamin/mineral intake and the methylation pathways that quickly (since there's still metals there). Were you taking B vitamins + folic/folinic, broad-based formulations that would include selenium, biotin, etc.? From our experience, I would definitely do both. GOOD LUCK! > > Hi all, > I'm wanting to try M'B12 shots for ds. I have had minimal success with > chelation with AC protocol(did see some slight improvement within first > 10 rounds, but most improvements disappeared again.) Just wondering if > anyone has had success with the shots after finding chelation with ALA > wasn't helping. > Donna. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 > Some possibilities to consider: The correct possibility is the one you are not considering. 100% of all people with mercury problems respond to chelation this way. See figure 15 on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment. Everyone has initial progress for roughly 3 months followed by a long period of regression (if you don't chelate) or lack of progress (if you do). The intial progress followed by the stall or regression is absolutely characteristic of mercury problems, and ceasing chelation ensures they can never possibly get well. However you can start it back up - you don't do any harm by skipping for a while. Ultimately this demonstrates that chelation is necessary for lasting improvement and ultimate wellness. This is really the most important thing about chelation for anyone to know, and especially health care providers supervising it. As far as MB12 goes, it doesn't interact with chelation. You can do it or not, and chelate without worrying about any particular interaction. Some people benefit enormously, others get agitated, aggressive, angry and generally distressed. This is dose dependent and 100% of all people end up this way if they take enough B12 (of any form). So just be aware of that and if it is happening, use less. But get back to chelating. Andy > > > > > Hi all, > > I'm wanting to try M'B12 shots for ds. I have had minimal success with > > chelation with AC protocol(did see some slight improvement within first > > 10 rounds, but most improvements disappeared again.) Just wondering if > > anyone has had success with the shots after finding chelation with ALA > > wasn't helping. > > Donna. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Donna. You don't need to log in. It's a search engine, just as google is. It appears you may be going to the wrong place. You want to go to: www.onibasu.com. If you can't use it, then you can use the search system that provides. Just go to the A-M group home page, and you will see a link for search. But this sounds right. I was remembering a ratio of 85mg to 1mg. Dave. ----------------- Posted by: " Donna Bowerman " donna12345au@... donna12345au Date: Sat May 3, 2008 9:47 pm ((PDT)) I've been using 1mg/day oral B12, which I know is nothing compared the shots...I did read I'd need to give ds 80mg of the oral compared to a 1mg shot...Can't get into the Onibasu, the web page won't display, saying I need to log in. Donna. [ ] Re: M'B12, chelation I know that Andy has suggested the use of oral B12, which an be used in large quantities. He has given specifics on how much you should use. I appears that some kids can have a very bad response to B12, which can turn into a real problem if you inject it, since you will have to wait a while before the B12 level comes down and so both you and then will be miserable until you do. If you use oral B12, on the other hand, you can back off much more easily. You will find the details in the archives. Try Onibasu.com Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 If you have a firewall running, you may need to add this website to your " trusted zone " so it will load. I got it too load, so it's not down. -- In , Donna Bowerman <donna12345au@...> wrote: > > When I try to access onibasu, I get this message HTTP 403 forbidden, the website declined to show this webpage. Problem may very well be my comp' as I've had trouble with it. > Donna. > > > [ ] Re: M'B12, chelation > > I know that Andy has suggested the use of oral B12, which an be used in large quantities. He has given specifics on how much you should use. I appears that some kids can have a very bad response to B12, which can turn into a real problem if you inject it, since you will have to wait a while before the B12 level comes down and so both you and then will be miserable until you do. If you use oral B12, on the other hand, you can back off much more easily. > > You will find the details in the archives. Try Onibasu.com > > Dave. > > > > > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > www.7.com.au/y7mail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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