Re: Measles Jab

March 4, 2008

We did late vaccines at nearly three years old with the same negative

outcomes.

philallen876546 wrote:

> Hi Could anyone advise if you don't have the mmr jab and opt for the

> single jabs later on (1-2yrs) is there still an issue if its a live

> measles vaccine. Apparently all single measles jabs in the UK are live?

>

> Thanks

> Phil

>

> =======================================================

>

March 4, 2008

Phil,

From the studying I did, we opted against any form, single or combined,

even at 17 years old when the college was trying to force it on our

daughter. All the reading I did was pretty much " run fast and hard the

other way. " So, we did, even if it would have meant her choosing

another college -which she didn't have to do thanks to a sharp homeopath

and some lawyer style preparations. I'd provide more info if I still

had it, that was 5 years ago, and I filed it all when we finally got the

approval for her to attend.

Nickerson wrote:

>

> We did late vaccines at nearly three years old with the same negative

> outcomes.

>

> philallen876546 wrote:

> > Hi Could anyone advise if you don't have the mmr jab and opt for the

> > single jabs later on (1-2yrs) is there still an issue if its a live

> > measles vaccine. Apparently all single measles jabs in the UK are live?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Phil

> >

>

> .

>

March 4, 2008

----- Original Message -----

From: Nickerson

We did late vaccines at nearly three years old with the same negative

outcomes.

====>Same here, although I *think* it probably saved her from being severe,

maybe only in my mind.

philallen876546 wrote:

> Hi Could anyone advise if you don't have the mmr jab and opt for the

> single jabs later on (1-2yrs) is there still an issue if its a live

> measles vaccine. Apparently all single measles jabs in the UK are live?

>

> Thanks

> Phil

>

> =======================================================

>

March 4, 2008

. Please tell us about this sharp homeopath and the " lawyer style

preparations " . Specifics might be of some future use to more than just myself.

Thanks in advance,

Dave.

Posted by: " P. " the.great.zambini@... zambinilives

Date: Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:02 pm ((PST))

Phil,

From the studying I did, we opted against any form, single or combined,

even at 17 years old when the college was trying to force it on our

daughter. All the reading I did was pretty much " run fast and hard the

other way. " So, we did, even if it would have meant her choosing

another college -which she didn't have to do thanks to a sharp homeopath

and some lawyer style preparations. I'd provide more info if I still

had it, that was 5 years ago, and I filed it all when we finally got the

approval for her to attend.

March 4, 2008

> Hi Could anyone advise if you don't have the mmr jab and opt for the

> single jabs later on (1-2yrs) is there still an issue if its a live

> measles vaccine. Apparently all single measles jabs in the UK are live?

So far as I know, all measles vaccines are live virus.

If you choose to allow this vaccine, be sure to give it with a lot of

vitamin A for several weeks after the vaccine.

Dana

March 4, 2008

There's research showing autistic kids have the DNA of measles vaccine

strain in their gut, rather than the wild strain DNA (proof of damage

caused by vaccine). There's also a Dr. Moulden? who has been writing

that the rubella part is the really dangerous part of the vaccine.

Maybe you can find some info here:

http://www.jabs.org.uk/

```````

I have relatives who examine each vaccine, the likelihood of their

child getting that particular disease, try separate shots, and then

usually vaccinate at a delayed schedule.. So far, so good for them.

I have one niece whose kids have had bad reactions to vaccines, and

will not do any more. Her four sons are immune-compromised, have ADD,

more.

I believe vaccines do not infer immunity. Many are getting the

diseases they've been vaccinated against. I believe vaccines trigger

autoimmune diseases including autism, IBD, arthritis, ADHD, other

stuff. My son has Crohn's, and the MMR is implicated in that also. I

know a number of previously just fine kids who got MMR vaccines,

followed shortly by IBD. A lot of IBD kids have issues in common with

ASD kids - especially food, gut, sensory issues, as well as social

isolation. They consider these to be idiosyncrasies, rather than

damage issues.

There used to be a good article on the internet about the diseases -

measles, mumps, and rubella. This article said that if someone had

the actual diseases within close time frames, they were much more

likely to develop Crohn's or Ulcerative Colitis. Something like seven

times more likely in one disease, and five times more likely for the

other disease. The upside of having a disease vs the vaccine is the

disease doesn't have all the extras in it (all the vac adjuncts), and

you get the disease ONCE, you're sick. You're done.

One of the factors not talked about much is the generational vaccine

issue. If you have three generations of vaccinations - grandmother,

mother, child - I think each generation loses immune function and

gains toxin load. Each female carries at least four generations of

toxin load. I don't know how this plays out in males except for the

testosterone connection in ASD.

I believe IBD kids are advised to not get live vaccines. IBD has more

severe gut damage. ASD has more severe neurological damge?

Take care,

> > philallen876546 wrote:

Hi Could anyone advise if you don't have the mmr jab and opt for the

single jabs later on (1-2yrs) is there still an issue if its a live

measles vaccine. Apparently all single measles jabs in the UK are live?

Thanks

Phil

February 10, 2009

I had measles - it was really cool, a bit of a cold and no school! Drove my

mother nuts. Hehe!

DS#2 had the single measles vax, his only vaccine jab, which resulted in asthma

- and yet he still got measles! Believe me, asthma is scarier! Breathing tends

to be essentail!

DH had measles, mumps and chicken pox as an adult, no problems. My unvaccinated

niece was the LAST in her vaccinated peer group to get measles. They call it

ATYPICAL measles if you have been vaccinated (kind of hides the numbers) and I

believe the figure is about 60% of the measles cases ARE vaccinated. Why risk

the vaccine effects when it doesn't even work? The dr who dx'd my niece said he

hadn't seen classic measles in years! He didn't rush her or her family into

quarantine, even though they were a military family.

The complications only arise if the diet is deficient in Vit A. Those eye

symptoms? Light sensitivity etc? Classic Vit A deficiency.

We now have 2 generations mostly unvaccinated in my family, there is no asthma

or neuro or immuno injury in any of the unvaccinated.

Hope this helps Dawn. Don't fear measles - it primes the immune system and there

are develpmental leaps & bounds afterwards.

Wishing you all the very best.

Maracuja

From: DAWN MONTIEL <dawn_montiel2003@...>

Subject: measles jab

Vaccinations

Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 1:31 AM

Hi,I am sorry for keep going on but i am really worried about the measles

increase here in the UK. I have booked my son who is 12 for the MMR next week..i

feel bad about doing this but feel i need to protect him.Can anyone givbe me

advice?Does anyone know anyone who has had measles?Is it as bad as they say.

Thanks

Dawn

February 10, 2009

Dawn, post the question on INP - you will find lots of us there have had

measles and will be happy to try and reassure you. You do need to rethink

the MMR, my friend.

Sue x

-- measles jab

Vaccinations

Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 1:31 AM

Hi,I am sorry for keep going on but i am really worried about the measles

increase here in the UK. I have booked my son who is 12 for the MMR next

week..i feel bad about doing this but feel i need to protect him.Can anyone

givbe me advice?Does anyone know anyone who has had measles?Is it as bad as

they say.

Thanks

Dawn

February 10, 2009

Forgot to mention that one of our INP members had measles in both her

(unvaccinated) boys towards the end of last year. Talk to her, Dawn - she

found it was nowhere near as bad as she expected, even with two of them ill.

Sue x

-- Re: measles jab

i am amazed that you say it was nothing!!I thought measles was supposed to

be really bad.I need to rethink the MNR.Why did you children get measles?is

f they were vaccinated?I know my son is a lot healthier than a lot of

children.

Thanks

---

February 10, 2009

-just got in and there is a letter from my GP saying i need to come in!!

Will post on the other forum-need to know about children who had measles

From: Sue <mum2mishka@...>

Subject: Re: measles jab

Vaccinations

Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 1:57 PM

Forgot to mention that one of our INP members had measles in both

her

(unvaccinated) boys towards the end of last year. Talk to her, Dawn - she

found it was nowhere near as bad as she expected, even with two of them ill.

Sue x

-- Re: measles jab

i am amazed that you say it was nothing!!I thought measles was supposed to

be really bad.I need to rethink the MNR.Why did you children get measles?is

f they were vaccinated?I know my son is a lot healthier than a lot of

children.

Thanks

---

February 10, 2009

Can someone please tell me if they have discontinued the mmr seperate? A friend

of mine wants to do a titer test for her daughter, but

if the measles only comes up with high enough antibodies or the mumps or just

rubella, how will she be able to get a shot for just one? Ex. just rubella or

just measles? Thanks

________________________________

From: DAWN MONTIEL <dawn_montiel2003@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:20:14 AM

Subject: Re: measles jab

-just got in and there is a letter from my GP saying i need to come in!!

Will post on the other forum-need to know about children who had measles

From: Sue <mum2mishkabigpond (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: measles jab

Vaccinations

Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 1:57 PM

Forgot to mention that one of our INP members had measles in both her

(unvaccinated) boys towards the end of last year. Talk to her, Dawn - she

found it was nowhere near as bad as she expected, even with two of them ill.

Sue x

-- Re: measles jab

i am amazed that you say it was nothing!!I thought measles was supposed to

be really bad.I need to rethink the MNR.Why did you children get measles?is

f they were vaccinated?I know my son is a lot healthier than a lot of

children.

Thanks

---

February 10, 2009

Sorry I'm new, I was wondering what is INP.

Also we are possibly going to India again. This June. We will be in

a somewhat safe environment at a International Buddhist Academy,

Kathmandu, Nepal.

I was wondering if there is something I can do to build up his immune systemin

the meantime. He has had Roseola and maybe 5 colds in his life. He

also had the runs for a week after Nicaragua. I am wondering if he has

been exposed enough to virus' that he will be

safe to travel. I will be taking homeopathic medicine with us, as we

use it and have had great results.

Thank you,

Liz

And thank you for the two other emails.

________________________________

From: Sue <mum2mishka@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57:33 AM

Subject: Re: measles jab

Forgot to mention that one of our INP members had measles in both her

(unvaccinated) boys towards the end of last year. Talk to her, Dawn - she

found it was nowhere near as bad as she expected, even with two of them ill.

Sue x

-- Re: measles jab

i am amazed that you say it was nothing!!I thought measles was supposed to

be really bad.I need to rethink the MNR.Why did you children get measles?is

f they were vaccinated?I know my son is a lot healthier than a lot of

children.

Thanks

---

February 10, 2009

If measles were such a big deal why is it a medical book I have from the mid

1950s tells of a Dr who noticed boys around the age of 10 or 11 who had not had

it yet getting it on purpose so that they could miss a bit of school? They on to

describe it as a mild " rite of childhood " . Also, if measles were indeed as scary

as some say, why would I be trying to catch them as part of an anti vaccine

project I am working on? Please rethink the MMR!

Re: measles jab

i am amazed that you say it was nothing!!I thought measles was supposed to

be really bad.I need to rethink the MNR.Why did you children get measles?is

f they were vaccinated?I know my son is a lot healthier than a lot of

children.

Thanks

---

February 10, 2009

can you tell me the name of the bok i would like to see it..

thanks

From: Sue <mum2mishkabigpond (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: measles jab

Vaccinations

Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 1:57 PM

Forgot to mention that one of our INP members had measles in both her

(unvaccinated) boys towards the end of last year. Talk to her, Dawn - she

found it was nowhere near as bad as she expected, even with two of them ill.

Sue x

-- Re: measles jab

i am amazed that you say it was nothing!!I thought measles was supposed to

be really bad.I need to rethink the MNR.Why did you children get measles?is

f they were vaccinated?I know my son is a lot healthier than a lot of

children.

Thanks

---

February 10, 2009

Everyone had measles until they decided to create MMR to inject each

disease into your child. NO vaccine gives immunity, only chronic case

of the disease so you can't get an acute case.

What are you afraid of with measles. I am 58 years old, had measles

as did everyone of my age, was a pediatric nurse and saw much measles

in the doctors office - people would bring their child in just for a

diagnosis so they would know what their child had - in most cases they

knew it was measles - mom's knew what it looked like but wanted

confirmation. NO fear, no worry - it was just part of life.

Why are you so worried?

It is NOT bad as 'they' say.

Sheri

listowner

> > >

> > > Hi Gena & welcome!

> > It's scarry how similar our situations are, i am in the exact same

> > boat :0 how starnge is that? My 4years old unvaccinated son has food

> > allergies and now is also being diagnosed for asthma. When he

turned 3

> > he got a cough that literally never went away and is tought to be

> > asthma related, i am devastated because i thought my unvaccinated raw

> > milk drinking, organic fed baby should not be allergic to seafood,

> > nuts, and now asthma! I am also looking to find a cure for him

which so

> > far lots of promises but i am sceptical. Homeopathy is next on my

list

> > but i am afraid to loose $ with no real cure. I'll let you know if i

> > find a real cure.

> >

> > Katarina

> > >

> >

>

February 10, 2009

I've had measles. All my friends had measles. It was normal to

have measles not very long ago. It got us a few days off school, we

got to stay home in bed. We got better. It's not a killer disease -

most people get better after measles within a week or two. I

honestly think vaccines are far more deadly than measles, chicken

pox, mumps etc etc. I had the lot as did my friends. At least none

of them ever cause autism that I'm aware of. MMR is about money.

The people who say measles is scary either never had it or stand to

make money from selling the vaccine.

Your choice though, but for your child's sake, make it an informed

one, not one from fear generated by greed.

Muriel

>

> From: Sue <mum2mishka@...>

>

> Subject: Re: measles jab

>

> Vaccinations

>

> Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 1:57 PM

>

> Forgot to mention that one of our INP members had measles in both

her

>

> (unvaccinated) boys towards the end of last year. Talk to her,

Dawn - she

>

> found it was nowhere near as bad as she expected, even with two of

them ill.

>

> Sue x

>

> -- Re: measles jab

>

> i am amazed that you say it was nothing!!I thought measles was

supposed to

>

> be really bad.I need to rethink the MNR.Why did you children get

measles?is

>

> f they were vaccinated?I know my son is a lot healthier than a lot

of

>

> children.

>

> Thanks

>

> ---

>

February 11, 2009

i am worried because i thought and have read that measles is a nasty disease if

there are complications.How old were you and did you see any complications.

Dawn

From: Sheri Nakken <stopvaccinesnow@...>

Subject: Re: measles jab

Vaccinations

Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 3:35 AM

Everyone had measles until they decided to create MMR to inject each

disease into your child. NO vaccine gives immunity, only chronic case

of the disease so you can't get an acute case.

What are you afraid of with measles. I am 58 years old, had measles

as did everyone of my age, was a pediatric nurse and saw much measles

in the doctors office - people would bring their child in just for a

diagnosis so they would know what their child had - in most cases they

knew it was measles - mom's knew what it looked like but wanted

confirmation. NO fear, no worry - it was just part of life.

Why are you so worried?

It is NOT bad as 'they' say.

Sheri

listowner

> > >

> > > Hi Gena & welcome!

> > It's scarry how similar our situations are, i am in the exact same

> > boat :0 how starnge is that? My 4years old unvaccinated son has food

> > allergies and now is also being diagnosed for asthma. When he

turned 3

> > he got a cough that literally never went away and is tought to be

> > asthma related, i am devastated because i thought my unvaccinated raw

> > milk drinking, organic fed baby should not be allergic to seafood,

> > nuts, and now asthma! I am also looking to find a cure for him

which so

> > far lots of promises but i am sceptical. Homeopathy is next on my

list

> > but i am afraid to loose $ with no real cure. I'll let you know if i

> > find a real cure.

> >

> > Katarina

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2009

a poem from the jabs website..makes me feel better.

Sneezles

Robin

Had wheezles

And sneezles,

They bundled him

Into

His bed.

They gave him what goes

With a cold in the nose,

And some more for a cold

In the head.

They wondered

If wheezles

Could turn

Into measles,

If sneezles

Would turn

Into mumps;

They examined his chest

For a rash,

And the rest

Of his body for swellings and lumps.

They sent for some doctors

In sneezles

And wheezles

To tell them what ought

To be done.

All sorts and conditions

Of famous physicians

Came hurrying round

At a run.

They all made a note

Of the state of his throat,

They asked if he suffered from thirst;

They asked if the sneezles

Came after the wheezles,

Or if the first sneezle

Came first.

They said, " If you teazle

A sneezle

Or wheezle,

A measle

May easily grow.

But humour or pleazle

The wheezle

Or sneezle,

The measle

Will certainly go. "

They expounded the reazles

For sneezles

And wheezles,

The manner of measles

When new.

They said " If he freezles

In draughts and in breezles,

Then PHTHEEZLES

May even ensue. "

* *

Robin

Got up in the morning,

The sneezles had vanished away.

And the look in his eye

Seemed to say to the sky,

" Now, how to amuse them to-day? "

~ A A Milne, Now We Are Six 1927

From: murielblackley2 <murielblackley2@...>

Subject: Re: measles jab

Vaccinations

Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 7:17 AM