Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us to try > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. You should see someone competent instead then, > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > pull anything. If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is clueless. These are rather less than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it wrong by just comparing the numbers. >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > is mercury toxic. Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some research suggesting this occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > I think I read that here a while back, but never > found out why. > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > pull anything. I did a handful of urine and fecal toxic metals as I was chelating my son with oral ALA and DMSA. No test ever showed even a smidgen of mercury. But he lost his dx and is 99% recovered. The way to tell if something is working is to write out a comprehensive list of his issues, everything you can think of that needs work or seems off, then do ten rounds, and reassess. The tests are very often not informative and if you rely on them you'll get steered away from the treatments that actually work. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 This doctor is VERY well respected. I need kind advice, not snippy remarks. > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us to try > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > pull anything. > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is clueless. These are rather less > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it wrong by just comparing > the numbers. > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > is mercury toxic. > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some research suggesting this > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > found out why. > > Thanks, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Dont take offence . I have noticed Andy is not often very polite/friendly when answering questions. ( sorry Andy but its true ) Many people have left the group because of this, but it is just his way. If you are interested in this protocol, he knows what he is talking about. If not, dont bother asking him questions as he is not open minded to anything else. And please dont jump all over me here people. There are many Moms on here with tons of experience that I am sure would be happy to help/give info and the files are very good to read.I am quite new on here but have started DMSA/ALA with my 20/ month old son and already seeing some slight but good changes.What Andy says abot EDTA seems to be true so just research before deciding. Good luck : ) > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I am glad you cleared THAT up. I am a newbie here and I have noticed that about Andy and some others on here. I am pretty open minded but I will have to admit, there are days that I laugh about all this because it sounds rediculous and other days I want to jump in with my opinion but mine probably wouldn't matter and that's why I didn't. [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS Dont take offence . I have noticed Andy is not often very polite/friendly when answering questions. ( sorry Andy but its true ) Many people have left the group because of this, but it is just his way. If you are interested in this protocol, he knows what he is talking about. If not, dont bother asking him questions as he is not open minded to anything else. And please dont jump all over me here people. There are many Moms on here with tons of experience that I am sure would be happy to help/give info and the files are very good to read.I am quite new on here but have started DMSA/ALA with my 20/ month old son and already seeing some slight but good changes.What Andy says abot EDTA seems to be true so just research before deciding. Good luck : ) > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 , My daughter saw many well respected docs at premier clinics. Not one of them was interested in searching for the cause of seizures, OAT elevations pyruvic, lactic, orotic etc. why hypothyroid at age 14, why disgusting immune values etc. Differential diagnoses of 'mitochondrial failure' were written in her record and never even mentioned to me or investigated by them. It is the well respected establishment that has put together the routine that is severely damaging our children. My daughter has experienced positives from the low and slow routine for chelation. Her seizures are well controlled if she stays gfcfsf. She has not been as fortunate as her nephew though. This little grandson also had the lead and mercury problem your little one has. His blood lead levels were as high as 50 [nl<10]. Docs were doing nothing except watching blood levels!!! so at least you have feedback that something needs to be done. You just need to decide which is the safest route for your child. My grandson began chelation at approx age 3 with DMSA - low and slow! He was a quick responder. He just turned 8, is in second grade, funny, social, articulate etc. His only remnant is recurring strep which evidences as OCD - no fever, no anything but the OCD, which gets treated promptly with antibiotics. Please keep doing what you are doing - asking questions, evaluating everything that someone says needs to be done, whether they are 'king of the hill' right now or not. -- In , " kellymac92 " <cs-mom@...> wrote: > > This doctor is VERY well respected. I need kind advice, not snippy > remarks. > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hi, I'm soaking up information on chelation, especially those that are in the progress of chelating now. Can you briefly tell me a few things about your experience? How long have you been chelating your 20 month old? Did he " regress " in any way? What are the slight improvements you are seeing? Does he have a lot of food intolerances? Are you using Andy's protocol through the night? How do you administer the ALA or DMSA? Did he start to have a problem with yeast once chelation started? Thanks so much! Dani > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > > to try > > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > > pull anything. > > > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > > clueless. These are rather less > > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > > wrong by just comparing > > > the numbers. > > > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > > research suggesting this > > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > > found out why. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hi , I'm not trying to be a smart aleck but if your dr is well respected and you're happy with the treatment plan, what do you need us to help you with? The treatment being espoused by this dan! dr is unwise medically and psychologically and I have seen many well respected dans! mess kids up and make them more autistic than they were in the first place. If you doubt this, go to ChelatingKids2 board and just read for a couple of weeks. I did this for about 9 months and some of the things I heard well respected dans! do to kids made my hair stand on end, and a lot of kids got worse. If this happened to my child it surely wouldn't matter how well respected the dan! was. Suppositories are never a good idea, they're intrusive and likely to cause a whole host of other quirky mental problems down the road. Sometimes things can have unintended consequences that drs don't realize. Oral chelation is just as effective, despite what you have heard. EDTA is not recommended for people with mercury problems. I've been as kind as I can be, keep reading, there are many files on this list that explain the things I talked about. [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS This doctor is VERY well respected. I need kind advice, not snippy remarks. > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us to try > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > pull anything. > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is clueless. These are rather less > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it wrong by just comparing > the numbers. > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > is mercury toxic. > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some research suggesting this > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > found out why. > > Thanks, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Your VERY well respected doctor didn't tell you that EDTA most likely will make your son worse because he is mercury toxic..he didn't know that?..he just recommended it because that's what other incompetent doctors are doing...how many other kids have shown improvement while using EDTA while Mercury toxic(body toxic)-Only ALA pulls Mercury from brain. Get a hair test done before using ALA and compare to another after a couple of months, then see what he is ('Pulling')excreting through hair.(Mercury may or may not show up, but doesn't mean it's not there)-Andy will help with this. DMSA might not pull anything depending on proper dosage/length on it etc. Hair tests and improvements in behaviour are my way of knowing Andy's protocol are working(I'm just using ALA with my son by the way). I am against people using suppositories on their children...these cannot be used at a low dose to check for side effects and anyhow, how would you like someone shoving a pill up you b*m every 8hrs? Incompetent doctors who have no idea what they're doing do not go down well with Andy. Donna. [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS This doctor is VERY well respected. I need kind advice, not snippy remarks. > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us to try > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > pull anything. > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is clueless. These are rather less > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it wrong by just comparing > the numbers. > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > is mercury toxic. > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some research suggesting this > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > found out why. > > Thanks, > > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new 7 Mail now. www.7.com.au/worldsbestemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yeah, pretty much took me a while to adjust to Andy's comments but he does have a sense of humor in a way and I started looking for his posts because they were brief and informative and always interesting! A lot of the time people think I am snippy when I reply simply because it is just my " way " and I mean no offense by it. I love to read Andy's comments! But it is true if you have any ideas about anything else just don't ask for his comments or he is gonna tell you exactly what he thinks! Chris _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of rathmanmom Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:57 AM Subject: [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS Hi, I'm soaking up information on chelation, especially those that are in the progress of chelating now. Can you briefly tell me a few things about your experience? How long have you been chelating your 20 month old? Did he " regress " in any way? What are the slight improvements you are seeing? Does he have a lot of food intolerances? Are you using Andy's protocol through the night? How do you administer the ALA or DMSA? Did he start to have a problem with yeast once chelation started? Thanks so much! Dani > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > > to try > > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > > pull anything. > > > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > > clueless. These are rather less > > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > > wrong by just comparing > > > the numbers. > > > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > > research suggesting this > > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > > found out why. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 > > This doctor is VERY well respected. Well, there are lots of " well respected " docs who give advice that can make your child worse. We had one of those. Thankfully, I never did what she suggested in the first place. Remember, lots of us are here because we trusted doctors..... A big part of this journey for me has been learning who to trust, especially because I am not a doctor/chemist/physicist (or some other relevant professional) and can't easily evaluate the real science behind what we are doing other than through observing my son very carefully. Keep asking or poking around for both the positives and negatives on anything you consider doing, especially something as significant as chelation. Hopefully you will find your comfort zone with someone to guide you in your approach for son. > I need kind advice, not snippy remarks. Andy isn't in the business of giving " kind advice " when what is proposed could make a child much, much sicker. That said, you are doing the right thing by asking questions before following your doctor's advice blindly. Don't let Andy's sometimes gruff posts scare you away. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 , Hi, just read this post and noticed you were saying that your grandson has strep that evidences as OCD. I have learned that this is a viral issue. Just wanted to jump in and help. I hope you don't mind. Has he been treated for virals? There are great alternative medicines out there that would get rid of this so he wouldn't have to take antibiotics anymore.Let me know, I would love to help with this. [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS , My daughter saw many well respected docs at premier clinics. Not one of them was interested in searching for the cause of seizures, OAT elevations pyruvic, lactic, orotic etc. why hypothyroid at age 14, why disgusting immune values etc. Differential diagnoses of 'mitochondrial failure' were written in her record and never even mentioned to me or investigated by them. It is the well respected establishment that has put together the routine that is severely damaging our children. My daughter has experienced positives from the low and slow routine for chelation. Her seizures are well controlled if she stays gfcfsf. She has not been as fortunate as her nephew though. This little grandson also had the lead and mercury problem your little one has. His blood lead levels were as high as 50 [nl<10]. Docs were doing nothing except watching blood levels!!! so at least you have feedback that something needs to be done. You just need to decide which is the safest route for your child. My grandson began chelation at approx age 3 with DMSA - low and slow! He was a quick responder. He just turned 8, is in second grade, funny, social, articulate etc. His only remnant is recurring strep which evidences as OCD - no fever, no anything but the OCD, which gets treated promptly with antibiotics. Please keep doing what you are doing - asking questions, evaluating everything that someone says needs to be done, whether they are 'king of the hill' right now or not. -- In , " kellymac92 " <cs-mom@...> wrote: > > This doctor is VERY well respected. I need kind advice, not snippy > remarks. > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 , Have you looked at Morias site : http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ Before I even found out about Andys' protocol with ALA, I was a nervous wreck wondering where I could get all these different types of tests done, where I could get DMSA, DMPS, certain supps etc(I live in Australia), but then I came across autism treatment, and just basically sat at the computer looking at all the files, posts, which supps are good for certain issues etc...I'm also a member of chelatingkidsaustralia where the other mums/dads are using ALA. Only tests I had done were a hair test and blood test through a naturopath which showed low zinc/vit'D. Hair test showed only arsenic prior to chelation, but am getting another done shortly after 20rounds ALA. I've no DAN! docs to go see and after what I have read about them wouldn't want to. Cameron who is 3 started chelation with ALA only mid aug' and I've seen great gains already with speech, eye contact, communication etc. Improvements come one by one, steady but surely and am confident that in another 2 years he will not have his ASD diagnosis anymore. Donna. [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS Dont take offence . I have noticed Andy is not often very polite/friendly when answering questions. ( sorry Andy but its true ) Many people have left the group because of this, but it is just his way. If you are interested in this protocol, he knows what he is talking about. If not, dont bother asking him questions as he is not open minded to anything else. And please dont jump all over me here people. There are many Moms on here with tons of experience that I am sure would be happy to help/give info and the files are very good to read.I am quite new on here but have started DMSA/ALA with my 20/ month old son and already seeing some slight but good changes.What Andy says abot EDTA seems to be true so just research before deciding. Good luck : ) > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 > > Please keep doing what you are doing - > asking questions, evaluating everything that someone says needs to be > done, whether they are 'king of the hill' right now or not. Yes, and just adding that the reason so many doctors, DAN and otherwise, don't get a lot of respect here is that over the years we've had so many people show up here after their kids were damaged first by the kind-hearted well-meaning ped and second by the kind-hearted well-meaning autism doc who used a dangerous protocol. We use doctors for what they can do for us, and never take anyone's word for anything. Well, I exaggerate a little -- but skepticism is good, asking questions is good. And especially watching results, good and bad. If you stick around, you'll see kids improving and not going through terrible regressions when they chelate using Andy's protocol. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 We are just in the beginning of chelation. Almost done with the second round. 3 days on 4 days off. It took a while to soak in all the information and read the files. I found alot of help from asking questions. Many experienced Mom's on here have helped me SOOO much. I first adressed his diet and enzymes. Then I started adding supplements. Cod liver oil, Flax seed oil, and vitamin c first. Then I started to add in one by one the other suggested supplements. the only one I dont think I started early enough was calcium. I think he started low on this. Supplements/enzymes alone made a big improvement on there own. Slept better, more social, better eye contact, babbling more.. showing interest in communicating. I know the improvements on this protocol are usually slow as the dosage is set to be safe and low and slow. He is basically non verbal. From the start of supplements the only word he said was " Hi Casey " ( his sister ) but only we knew this is what he was saying it was very slurry. After starting supplements--He started making vroom vroom noises while playing with trucks with his Dad and playing this for up to 1/2 hr. started to make a ruff ruff sound when he saw a dog on tv or his stuffed animal. These were the first things he ever did without it just being copied. The " Hi Casey " was a copy of me saying it to her. He also started exploring. He used to just play with whatever toy was " OUT " even though we had tons within his reach. After starting chelation he has said YES and Nose... yes was copy ..nose was on his own ..playing a body parts game ( we have played this for like a year with just laughter no other interaction on his part) he also put my hand to his nose when he said it. He has been exploring every cabinet rather than just opening and shutting the doors as a visual stimm. Yes I am happy there are cans of food all over the house now lol..Yesterday he went up to every window in our living room and looked out. Never showed interest in what was out there before. He has been babbling tons with expression on his face like he is telling some big important story. The basic overall picture I can give you is he is interested in the world and us much more!!! I feel like I have a little boy now, where before he was just out there. I see more of the pre- autism personality coming back and its very exciting. He has a real long way to go and I am sure we may see yeast and set backs at some point. As of right now I can say the whole experience so far has helped my son SOOOO much. [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS Hi, I'm soaking up information on chelation, especially those that are in the progress of chelating now. Can you briefly tell me a few things about your experience? How long have you been chelating your 20 month old? Did he " regress " in any way? What are the slight improvements you are seeing? Does he have a lot of food intolerances? Are you using Andy's protocol through the night? How do you administer the ALA or DMSA? Did he start to have a problem with yeast once chelation started? Thanks so much! Dani > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > > to try > > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > > pull anything. > > > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > > clueless. These are rather less > > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > > wrong by just comparing > > > the numbers. > > > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > > research suggesting this > > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > > found out why. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Forgot to add to my novel.. sorry that I do night time dosing at 1 am because I am usually up. The I do stretch the next dose 4 hrs and then 8 am. that way I am only getting up and being groggy for one dose. When he is sleeping i mix it with some honey or penut butter and put it on his pacifier. Take the one in his mouth out and put the new one in. Lol.. he will spit it out any other way. Also I forgot to add he learned how to jump and kick yesterday. [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS Hi, I'm soaking up information on chelation, especially those that are in the progress of chelating now. Can you briefly tell me a few things about your experience? How long have you been chelating your 20 month old? Did he " regress " in any way? What are the slight improvements you are seeing? Does he have a lot of food intolerances? Are you using Andy's protocol through the night? How do you administer the ALA or DMSA? Did he start to have a problem with yeast once chelation started? Thanks so much! Dani > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > > to try > > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > > pull anything. > > > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > > clueless. These are rather less > > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > > wrong by just comparing > > > the numbers. > > > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > > research suggesting this > > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > > found out why. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www.. com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Nell, thank you for your kind reply. > > > > Please keep doing what you are doing - > > asking questions, evaluating everything that someone says needs to be > > done, whether they are 'king of the hill' right now or not. > > Yes, and just adding that the reason so many doctors, DAN and otherwise, don't get a lot of > respect here is that over the years we've had so many people show up here after their kids > were damaged first by the kind-hearted well-meaning ped and second by the kind-hearted > well-meaning autism doc who used a dangerous protocol. We use doctors for what they can > do for us, and never take anyone's word for anything. Well, I exaggerate a little -- but > skepticism is good, asking questions is good. And especially watching results, good and bad. > > If you stick around, you'll see kids improving and not going through terrible regressions > when they chelate using Andy's protocol. > > Nell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Donna, Thank you for your advice, and it was so kindly put. > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > > to try > > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > > pull anything. > > > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > > clueless. These are rather less > > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > > wrong by just comparing > > > the numbers. > > > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > > research suggesting this > > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > > found out why. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Back to my original question......WHY CAN'T I USE EDTA ON A MERCURY TOXIC CHILD? All anyone here seems to be able to say is don't do it, it will make it worse. No one can seem to tell me WHY?????????? Or EXACTLY what the side effects are????????? > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new 7 Mail now. www.7.com.au/worldsbestemail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 My kind advice would be to listen to Andy. Get his books and read about it before you do anything else with this well respected doctor. It was well respected doctors that got most of us into the predicament that lead us to this message board, honestly. It sounds like what your well respected doctor wants to do is dangerous at the most and not helpful at the least. Hope you find the right answers. P. kellymac92 wrote: > > This doctor is VERY well respected. I need kind advice, not snippy > remarks. > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I am no expert on EDTA at all but I think there are studies or a study that shows EDTA dumps mercury back into the brain more so than any other chelating agent. Once a chelating round ends, the metals left over that didn't get pulled out are left to re bind back into the body and hopefully dont go to the brain and cause more problems. This is always a risk but the protocol here is used to reduce that risk by using low, frequent dosing. Therefore there is not as much metals left after a round is done. I think EDTA is dangerous in this respect. Like I said I could be wrong but this is the conclusion I have come to. Correct me if I am wrong anyone. [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS Back to my original question.... ..WHY CAN'T I USE EDTA ON A MERCURY TOXIC CHILD? All anyone here seems to be able to say is don't do it, it will make it worse. No one can seem to tell me WHY????????? ? Or EXACTLY what the side effects are????????? > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new 7 Mail now. www.7.com. au/worldsbestema il > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [ ] Re: EdTA and DMPS Back to my original question.... ..WHY CAN'T I USE EDTA ON A MERCURY TOXIC CHILD? All anyone here seems to be able to say is don't do it, it will make it worse. No one can seem to tell me WHY????????? ? Or EXACTLY what the side effects are????????? > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > to try > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > pull anything. > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > clueless. These are rather less > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > wrong by just comparing > > the numbers. > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > research suggesting this > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > found out why. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new 7 Mail now. www.7.com. au/worldsbestema il > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 , Your gonna kill me because I have yet one more question. What kind of ALA did you get and where did you order it from? I am so pleased to hear the positive feed back about your son. I wish your son continued healing and health. I can't thank you enough for taking the time out to give me the details. All my best, Dani > > > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants us > > > to try > > > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > > > pull anything. > > > > > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > > > clueless. These are rather less > > > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > > > wrong by just comparing > > > > the numbers. > > > > > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > > > research suggesting this > > > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > > > found out why. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www.. com/r/hs > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 > > > > > > > > My son is both mercury and lead toxic. My son's doctor wants > us > > to try > > > > EDTA and DMPS suppositories together. > > > > > > You should see someone competent instead then, > > > > > > > We tried oral DMSA and it didn't > > > > pull anything. > > > > > > If you are doing tests to look for 'pulls' your doctor really is > > clueless. These are rather less > > > than easy to interpret, and you have a good chance of getting it > > wrong by just comparing > > > the numbers. > > > > > > >I was wondering why I shouldn't use EDTA in someone who > > > > is mercury toxic. > > > > > > Because it can make them horribly worse. Boyd Haley has some > > research suggesting this > > > occurs by letting the mercury get sucked into the brain easily. > > > > > > > I think I read that here a while back, but never > > > > found out why. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new > 7 Mail now. www.7.com.au/worldsbestemail > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 utism-Mercury , " kellymac92 " <cs-mom@> wrote: > > > > > > Back to my original question......WHY CAN'T I USE EDTA ON A MERCURY > > TOXIC CHILD? All anyone here seems to be able to say is don't do it, > > it will make it worse. No one can seem to tell me WHY?????????? Or > > EXACTLY what the side effects are????????? > > I took a couple of minutes to look for adult posts from mercury toxic people who have reacted to EDTA IVs. Here are a couple I found. You will have to join the adult metal group to read those posts because the archives are closed to the public. There are no shortage of adverse reaction reports in archives, just a shortage of people keeping track of them. J adult-metal-chelation/message/28756 adult-metal-chelation/message/2105?l=1 adult-metal-chelation/message/23345 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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