Re: how to get yeast under control

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Subject: [ ] how to get yeast under control

Hi everyone just wondering if any experienced people can give me some

advice re yeast. My daughter is 6 and is very yeasty and although I

have tried lots of herbs and also diflucan and also diets and no sugar

etc etc you get the picture I can't get the yeast under control. My

question is should I try longer or should I start to chelate her

anyway? I have heard some people say that yeast is a symptom of the

dysbiosis caused by the heavy metals and that therefore it won't really

resolve until you chelate so ..... But on the other hand when the yeast

is relatively under control she is managing therapy and going to school

ok i am afraid of a massive regression if I chelate and the yeast

really flares up badly. Sorry to ramble on but I would truly appreciate

your advice. Tia

Emma x

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Can you tell us what, and how much, you have tried?

Anne

>

> Hi everyone just wondering if any experienced people can give me

some

> advice re yeast. My daughter is 6 and is very yeasty and although I

> have tried lots of herbs and also diflucan and also diets and no

sugar

> etc etc you get the picture I can't get the yeast under control. My

> question is should I try longer or should I start to chelate her

> anyway? I have heard some people say that yeast is a symptom of the

> dysbiosis caused by the heavy metals and that therefore it won't

really

> resolve until you chelate so ..... But on the other hand when the

yeast

> is relatively under control she is managing therapy and going to

school

> ok i am afraid of a massive regression if I chelate and the yeast

> really flares up badly. Sorry to ramble on but I would truly

appreciate

> your advice. Tia

> Emma x

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everyone just wondering if any experienced people can give me some

> advice re yeast. My daughter is 6 and is very yeasty and although I

> have tried lots of herbs and also diflucan and also diets and no sugar

> etc etc you get the picture I can't get the yeast under control. My

> question is should I try longer or should I start to chelate her

> anyway?

Biotin and GSE worked best at my house.

You may not be able to control yeast until most of the metals are

removed. So, try to find something that will keep the yeast

" reasonably under control " , then consider chelating.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

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>

.. But on the other hand when the yeast

> is relatively under control she is managing therapy and going to school

> ok i am afraid of a massive regression if I chelate and the yeast

> really flares up badly.

My son had a terrible problem with yeast and I could. not. resolve it. So even

though his hair

test didn't meet the counting rules I chelated him. The yeast did not get worse,

but it did

become more predictable, and thanks to chelation eventually it stopped being

much of a

problem.

Nell

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Hi Anne thanks for replying. My DD has been GFCF for almost 2 years she has no

soy and no refined sugar, She had a course of Diflucan about 6 months ago (die

off was awful). At the moment she is taking probiotics 2 am and 3 pm she also

takes garlic powder 3 times a day and biocidin. These last 2 I rotate with

mycopryl and GSE caps from Kirkman. We have come far since we first started

biomed when I had a little girl who was mute mostly nude and incontinent but I

know that the metals need to come out for there to be more improvements. I

suppose I just feel terrified that all we have gained will be lost if her yeast

flares up out of control as I know from previous experience she regresses big

time when it does flare. Thanks so much for reading this and I would so

appreciate any comments/advice.

Emma mum to Sophie ASD

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Emma,

I haven't followed this thread so forgive me if I am repeating. I'm

not sure what you mean by rotating, but if you rotate antifungals

often Andy has stated that you risk making the yeast resistant. In

our house, kefir and kombucha have really been helpful in terms of

controlling yeast. Both are inexpensive and very easy once you get

going. Using candex has also been very effective for us.

Anita

>

> Hi Anne thanks for replying. My DD has been GFCF for almost 2 years

she has no soy and no refined sugar, She had a course of Diflucan

about 6 months ago (die off was awful). At the moment she is taking

probiotics 2 am and 3 pm she also takes garlic powder 3 times a day

and biocidin. These last 2 I rotate with mycopryl and GSE caps from

Kirkman. We have come far since we first started biomed when I had a

little girl who was mute mostly nude and incontinent but I know that

the metals need to come out for there to be more improvements. I

suppose I just feel terrified that all we have gained will be lost if

her yeast flares up out of control as I know from previous experience

she regresses big time when it does flare. Thanks so much for reading

this and I would so appreciate any comments/advice.

> Emma mum to Sophie ASD

>

>

>

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For us, we had DS on a variety of daily anti-fungals (GSE, Biocidin,

Capryllic acid, etc.) that we rotated. Occassional Rx meds

(Diflucan, Nystatin). Stool tests showed that he had virtually no

good bacteria despite tons of probiotics and still had some yeat.

And he wasn't making progress even with chelation.

I think the GSE, etc was killing the good bacteria while the yeast

became resistant. Since October, I dropped all the naturals, did a

series of 3 Rx anti-fungals in sequence (Nystatin, Nizoral and

Sporanox) and upped his probiotics (>100 billion cfu/day). Used

Oxypowder to keep his system flushing. (And continued to chelate

him!)

Since then, he is much happier, yeast is nowhere to be seen and he's

much more interactive. Seeks us out for hugs and " plays " with his

lil brother. Also getting some gains in receptive language though he

is largely non-verbal still.

Liam

> >

> > Hi Anne thanks for replying. My DD has been GFCF for almost 2

years

> she has no soy and no refined sugar, She had a course of Diflucan

> about 6 months ago (die off was awful). At the moment she is

taking

> probiotics 2 am and 3 pm she also takes garlic powder 3 times a

day

> and biocidin. These last 2 I rotate with mycopryl and GSE caps

from

> Kirkman. We have come far since we first started biomed when I had

a

> little girl who was mute mostly nude and incontinent but I know

that

> the metals need to come out for there to be more improvements. I

> suppose I just feel terrified that all we have gained will be lost

if

> her yeast flares up out of control as I know from previous

experience

> she regresses big time when it does flare. Thanks so much for

reading

> this and I would so appreciate any comments/advice.

> > Emma mum to Sophie ASD

> >

> >

> >

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did a

> series of 3 Rx anti-fungals in sequence (Nystatin, Nizoral and

> Sporanox) and upped his probiotics (>100 billion cfu/day).

Just a comment on how many probiotics to use. We use easily over 100

billion a day, up to a trillion a day when we rotate VSL3 into the mix

or during viral protocols. Our yeast problems have been minimal,

although my son has shown during viral protocols that he can have crazy

yeast issues. I believe the reason why things like kombucha, kefir,

and SCD yogurt can work so well is that they provide a huge amount of

the good bacteria. My son's test show great levels of these bacteria

now (although I've not used the SCD yogurt).

Anita

[Guest guest]

Our DAN! wants to put our son on Diflucan. Was the awful die off worth the

rewards?

How long did the die off last? Would you use diflucan again?

Dani

>

> Hi Anne thanks for replying. My DD has been GFCF for almost 2 years she has no

soy

and no refined sugar, She had a course of Diflucan about 6 months ago (die off

was awful).

At the moment she is taking probiotics 2 am and 3 pm she also takes garlic

powder 3

times a day and biocidin. These last 2 I rotate with mycopryl and GSE caps from

Kirkman.

We have come far since we first started biomed when I had a little girl who was

mute

mostly nude and incontinent but I know that the metals need to come out for

there to be

more improvements. I suppose I just feel terrified that all we have gained will

be lost if her

yeast flares up out of control as I know from previous experience she regresses

big time

when it does flare. Thanks so much for reading this and I would so appreciate

any

comments/advice.

> Emma mum to Sophie ASD

>

>

>

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Nell,

I love your insight and I'm so glad that your son is 98% recoverd!. When one of

our kids

does well it's a success for all of us. Do you have any document/story available

of your

son's recovery. It's really helpful for new parents like me to read and maybe

follow a

similar time line for our child, if the protocol will be a good match.

Thanks,

Dani

> >

> . But on the other hand when the yeast

> > is relatively under control she is managing therapy and going to school

> > ok i am afraid of a massive regression if I chelate and the yeast

> > really flares up badly.

>

> My son had a terrible problem with yeast and I could. not. resolve it. So even

though his

hair

> test didn't meet the counting rules I chelated him. The yeast did not get

worse, but it

did

> become more predictable, and thanks to chelation eventually it stopped being

much of a

> problem.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Nell,

> I love your insight and I'm so glad that your son is 98% recoverd!. When one

of our kids

> does well it's a success for all of us. Do you have any document/story

available of your

> son's recovery.

Part of it is somewhere on Dana's site. And I'm writing a book.

> It's really helpful for new parents like me to read and maybe follow a

> similar time line for our child, if the protocol will be a good match.

Yes, that's why I try to hang out here some, to comment on kids that seem to

have similar

issues as mine did. As for a timeline though, it was very zigazaggy and not that

predictable, I made plenty of mistakes along the way...even though now we all

know a lot

more abut the details of how to deal with various problems, there's

unfortunately still

quite a bit of trial and error involved.

My best advice is don't get sidetracked from chelation if your child has metals.

If you

*think your child has metals, or the hair test was a little funny but didn't

meet the

counting rules, do a trial of 6-10 rounds and then evaluate.

It's easy to get the idea that getting the supplements just right will ease all

the symptoms,

but you end up chasing your tail. Gotta just plod through a lot of rounds. A

LOT!

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> Part of it is somewhere on Dana's site. And I'm writing a book.

>

I can't wait to read it!

Anne

[Guest guest]

> It's easy to get the idea that getting the supplements just right

will ease all the symptoms,

> but you end up chasing your tail. Gotta just plod through a lot of

rounds. A LOT!

>

>

> Nell

>

That is great advice Nell. Most people just don't realize how long it

takes until they get a couple years into it and realize they still have

a good ways to go. I'm curious how many rounds you have completed now

with your son. Also, I remember you tried for a long time to get him

off enzymes. I assume that you were eventually able to do that since

he is doing so well? Can you tell I'm getting really, really tired of

purchasing those enzymes?

Sheresa

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm curious how many rounds you have completed now

> with your son.

I think we're up to 130 now. Almost done.

> I remember you tried for a long time to get him

> off enzymes.

Oh man, it was 3.5 years! But yes, finally he's off enzymes. He can eat anything

now --

amazing for the kid who used to get psycho with flaming ears from one slice of

apple, and

the corn syrup reaction used to take a week of hell to get over.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> Oh man, it was 3.5 years! But yes, finally he's off enzymes. He can

>eat anything now --

That is so awesome! Can't wait for us to get to that point. We've

made great progress on tolerating lots and lots more stuff with the

enzymes, but of course I'm to chicken to pull them out at this point.

Maybe I'll try after another 10 rounds or so. We're at 70 now.

Sheresa

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Dear Nell

Do you mean that he can eat gluten and dairy? These are what my boys

long for more than anything. Thanks for posting its so great to read

success-stories.

Alison

> >

> > I'm curious how many rounds you have completed now

> > with your son.

>

> I think we're up to 130 now. Almost done.

>

> > I remember you tried for a long time to get him

> > off enzymes.

>

> Oh man, it was 3.5 years! But yes, finally he's off enzymes. He can

eat anything now --

> amazing for the kid who used to get psycho with flaming ears from

one slice of apple, and

> the corn syrup reaction used to take a week of hell to get over.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Nell

> Do you mean that he can eat gluten and dairy? These are what my boys

> long for more than anything.

Yes, he can eat anything now. He was not hugely reactive to gluten and dairy

although at one

point after 6 months of SCD he was reacting to practically everything even with

enzymes.

IMO diet restrictions are just a tool to help kids be as symptom-free as

possible while you

get through the rounds that will eventually allow their guts to heal.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nell. Very encouraging. We're round 25 right now - long way

to go but we're on the road. Cheers,

Alison

> >

> > Dear Nell

> > Do you mean that he can eat gluten and dairy? These are what my

boys

> > long for more than anything.

>

> Yes, he can eat anything now. He was not hugely reactive to gluten

and dairy although at one

> point after 6 months of SCD he was reacting to practically

everything even with enzymes.

>

> IMO diet restrictions are just a tool to help kids be as symptom-

free as possible while you

> get through the rounds that will eventually allow their guts to

heal.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

Alison,

What has been your experience in the 25 rounds?

Have you seen improvements?

Man- do I agree with what Nell said about diet resrticitons. The more restricted

my poor

son's diet becomes, the more intolerances' he seems to deveolp. I hope in the

future we

find a way to heal autism without having to eliminate entire food groups!

Dani

-- In , " awhi2110 " <awhi2110@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks Nell. Very encouraging. We're round 25 right now - long way

> to go but we're on the road. Cheers,

> Alison

>

>

> > >

> > > Dear Nell

> > > Do you mean that he can eat gluten and dairy? These are what my

> boys

> > > long for more than anything.

> >

> > Yes, he can eat anything now. He was not hugely reactive to gluten

> and dairy although at one

> > point after 6 months of SCD he was reacting to practically

> everything even with enzymes.

> >

> > IMO diet restrictions are just a tool to help kids be as symptom-

> free as possible while you

> > get through the rounds that will eventually allow their guts to

> heal.

> >

> > Nell

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>I'm curious how many rounds you have completed now

> with your son. Also, I remember you tried for a long time to get him

> off enzymes. I assume that you were eventually able to do that since

> he is doing so well? Can you tell I'm getting really, really tired of

> purchasing those enzymes?

At my house, all of us [including me] were able to remove enzymes at

about round 50. There were still foods we had to avoid until the end

of ALA chelation plus a few supplements.

Dana

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Nell,

What exactly was the corn syrup reaction, starting to think my son is

intolerant to corn?

TIA

> >

> > I'm curious how many rounds you have completed now

> > with your son.

>

> I think we're up to 130 now. Almost done.

>

> > I remember you tried for a long time to get him

> > off enzymes.

>

> Oh man, it was 3.5 years! But yes, finally he's off enzymes. He can

eat anything now --

> amazing for the kid who used to get psycho with flaming ears from

one slice of apple, and

> the corn syrup reaction used to take a week of hell to get over.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

Approximately how long did you do chelation? I know each kiddo is different, but

I was trying to see how long for various people.

Thanks

in IL

[Guest guest]

>

> Nell,

>

> What exactly was the corn syrup reaction, starting to think my son is

> intolerant to corn?

Screaming rage and violence. And corn syrup is in *everything processed. But his

reaction to

corn was not the same thing, that was more stomachaches and not behavioral.

http://www.feingold.org/PF/cornsyrup.html

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thank you Nell. Another question for you. Were you treating

viruses also during the chelation. We are as of now and have not

started to chelate, our yeast is really out of control and diet not

working, I've seen my boy almost typical and now he is a mess, so

almost like you described, I hope chelating will be the answer for us

too.

TIA

> >

> > Nell,

> >

> > What exactly was the corn syrup reaction, starting to think my

son is

> > intolerant to corn?

>

> Screaming rage and violence. And corn syrup is in *everything

processed. But his reaction to

> corn was not the same thing, that was more stomachaches and not

behavioral.

>

> http://www.feingold.org/PF/cornsyrup.html

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you Nell. Another question for you. Were you treating

> viruses also during the chelation.

I started antivirals after maybe 20 rounds. Both Lauricidin and OLE made yeast

so bad I

couldn't get on top of it and I never succeeded in using those for very long.

The primary

antiviral was Virastop.

> We are as of now and have not

> started to chelate, our yeast is really out of control and diet not

> working, I've seen my boy almost typical and now he is a mess, so

> almost like you described, I hope chelating will be the answer for us

> too.

I hope so too. I bet it will be.

Nell