Re: Dana: Did you ever see high Lead level in the hair test during chelation?

[Guest guest]

We got high lead levels (red) in a hair test in August. My son had

always been in the green for lead, so this was very different for us.

That test also showed high copper, so I backed off the ALA and kept

just DMSA in, though gently. I retested his August test to confirm

the high lead and copper, and the test came back showing the same

trend. I don't know what caused the high lead (though I have my

theories, which do not include increased exposure), but it was

surprising since he had made nice progress over the summer. Then in

November, I retested, and lead and copper were back in the green.

Anne

>

> I was wondering if you or any other parent saw high levels of Lead

in

> the hair during chelation?

> I would appreciate if you or any other parent can tell me what were

the

> symptoms at that point.

>

>

> Kaylee

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Anne!

What are your theories? I'd like to hear them and why did you decide

to back off the ALA?

My concern is that the Lead can be made loose from the bones and can

possibly be redistributed into the brain (as you said my

theory...hopefully wrong...)

If that is a possibility, I'd like to know if it has been discussed

and what is the best course of action when that happens.

I am going to check the blood Lead level, just in case the hair

levels are not as reliable...what do you think?

Appreciate any input.

Kaylee

> >

> > I was wondering if you or any other parent saw high levels of

Lead

> in

> > the hair during chelation?

> > I would appreciate if you or any other parent can tell me what

were

> the

> > symptoms at that point.

> >

> >

> > Kaylee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think we moved a bunch of lead out of hiding during a growth spurt

(maybe encouraged with vitamin K list stuff). As for reducing ALA,

in most people, ALA inhibits excretion of copper (Andy discusses this

in his book). Since we were running high copper on the August test,

I backed off the ALA until copper was back in some reasonable range.

I think the fear of mobilizing so much lead that it redistributes to

the brain is something you don't need to worry too much if you are

following Andy's protocol. Low, consistent doses, should avoid most

problems.

Hopefully someone else will chime in if they have any other

ideas/thoughts.

Anne

> > >

> > > I was wondering if you or any other parent saw high levels of

> Lead

> > in

> > > the hair during chelation?

> > > I would appreciate if you or any other parent can tell me what

> were

> > the

> > > symptoms at that point.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kaylee

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I was wondering if you or any other parent saw high levels of Lead in

> the hair during chelation?

My son had lead in the red (as well as some other toxics but not Hg) after about

25 rounds

of chelation. He hadn't met the counting rules and lead had been much lower

(high green?

I don't have the tests with me) before that.

It turned out to be a combination of chelation pulling stuff out AND new

exposure. We had

moved into an old house; the paint was in good shape but the old wooden doors

had been

stripped, and even though they no longer had paint on them, they tested high for

lead.

Even the doors that had a light coat of polyurethane tested high for lead.

Dagmar on this list alerted me to this and I'm forever grateful because I don't

think I'd

have figured it out.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> I am going to check the blood Lead level, just in case the hair

> levels are not as reliable...what do you think?

> Appreciate any input.

A blood test for lead will show recent, high exposure, so if you think there's a

chance of that,

it would be a helpful test. If the exposure is old, or low, it won't show up.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> My son also tested very high for lead, and had a lot in his hair test. DAN!

> Input was that lead in hair was good....means he was eliminating it.

>

> Blood lead, as Nell said, is recent exposure. That would help you know if you

> need to start examining your home environment. We just had our water tested by

> the County Extension Agency. Though it is only 15 years old, the water pipes

> are copper...and they could have used lead solder (even though it was

> outlawed). The water test was fine...lead was insignificant. But it was worth

> the $20 to know.

>

> Another test is the urine porphyrin test. For us, it confirmed the hair test.

> The results matched: very high lead, moderate other metals.

>

> Hoping this helps,

>

>

>

>

>

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>> > I am going to check the blood Lead level, just in case the hair

>> > levels are not as reliable...what do you think?

>> > Appreciate any input.

>

> A blood test for lead will show recent, high exposure, so if you think there's

> a chance of that,

> it would be a helpful test. If the exposure is old, or low, it won't show up.

>

> Nell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I was wondering if you or any other parent saw high levels of Lead in

> the hair during chelation?

I never did a hair test for my kids.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Nell,

How long after you moved did n's hair test show high lead? I

ask because the only exposure I can imagine during the time Asher's

lead went up was a 10 day stay in an old farmhouse. I am not sure

if the house has lead, but it might. The kids who grew up there (my

husband's 1/2 siblings) definitely have some issues which look like

they could be attributable to lead. I did everything I could to

keep him in the new part of the house, but....

Anne

> >

> > I was wondering if you or any other parent saw high levels of

Lead in

> > the hair during chelation?

>

> My son had lead in the red (as well as some other toxics but not

Hg) after about 25 rounds

> of chelation. He hadn't met the counting rules and lead had been

much lower (high green?

> I don't have the tests with me) before that.

>

> It turned out to be a combination of chelation pulling stuff out

AND new exposure. We had

> moved into an old house; the paint was in good shape but the old

wooden doors had been

> stripped, and even though they no longer had paint on them, they

tested high for lead.

> Even the doors that had a light coat of polyurethane tested high

for lead.

>

> Dagmar on this list alerted me to this and I'm forever grateful

because I don't think I'd

> have figured it out.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Nell,

>

> How long after you moved did n's hair test show high lead?

I don't have the records with me, but I think it was about 9 months. And it

included the door

to his room and the bathroom door, so he was touching them all the time. He

doubtless also

had exposure earlier from the old house we lived in from his birth to age 2.

> I

> ask because the only exposure I can imagine during the time Asher's

> lead went up was a 10 day stay in an old farmhouse. I am not sure

> if the house has lead, but it might.

Toys? Has he had access to any soil that might be contaminated? It's so

frustrating to feel like

you can;t keep the stuff out!

Nell

[Guest guest]

Asher's lead skyrocked from green (where it had always been) to red

over the summer. It is back down to green now. Over the course of

the summer he and I did a lot of traveling. There may have been

some exposure that I didn't look in to, but the most obvious

possibility is my father-in-law's house. In fact, we even left his

set behind for the summer! I was really wondering whether 10

days of not very much exposure could do this on a hair test. I

still don't think that is what was going on, but it will certainly

be on my mind when we next go to visit family!

Anne

> >

> > Nell,

> >

> > How long after you moved did n's hair test show high lead?

>

> I don't have the records with me, but I think it was about 9

months. And it included the door

> to his room and the bathroom door, so he was touching them all the

time. He doubtless also

> had exposure earlier from the old house we lived in from his birth

to age 2.

>

> > I

> > ask because the only exposure I can imagine during the time

Asher's

> > lead went up was a 10 day stay in an old farmhouse. I am not

sure

> > if the house has lead, but it might.

>

> Toys? Has he had access to any soil that might be contaminated?

It's so frustrating to feel like

> you can;t keep the stuff out!

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Asher's lead skyrocked from green (where it had always been) to red

> over the summer. It is back down to green now.

Were you using DMSA the whole time?

> I was really wondering whether 10

> days of not very much exposure could do this on a hair test.

I'd be doubtful of this too.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Asher's lead skyrocked from green (where it had always been) to

red

> > over the summer. It is back down to green now.

>

> Were you using DMSA the whole time?

Yes, I was using it the whole time.

>

> > I was really wondering whether 10

> > days of not very much exposure could do this on a hair test.

>

> I'd be doubtful of this too.

Thanks, Nell.